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I was married to a minister, lead pastor for 44 yrs. When his sin of visiting prostitutes and embezzlement came to light. I left. I left traumatized. I knew something was wrong with him. I just didn’t know the depravity he had fallen into. This is my take. If you have to be caught, it’s not repentance. In 2017 and 2018 there was an open heaven over our marriage. When I say open heaven… I am saying that God was giving my husband a chance to come clean. I am not saying that God was putting his approval on what he (my then husband) was doing. If he had come and told me everything he had ever done I would still be married. It would have been difficult but it’s the only way. Tell the truth. Mike Bickle had to be caught. He’s sorry he got caught. He not sorry over his sin. Godly sorrow leads to repentance. It grieves me when people try to cover over the sins of these people. He who covers over sins will not prosper.

Anytime I hear the words "prophetic" and "prophecy" more than the centrality of Christ and the cross it's a red flag.

At the very beginning, Strang promised he would call out Mike Bickle if more was uncovered. Now that more has been uncovered - and not just more, but a 14-yr.-old and a 15-yr.-old! - Strang just keeps doubling-down. It's horrible. 😭

It was really disgusting when he said it really makes him upset when other people are tearing down Mike Bickle on the internet! KZfaq! So worried about Bickle reputation instead of the abused women!!

1 Cor. 6:32 says that "No (unrepentant) Adulterer or sexually immoral person doesn't have any access to the Kingdom or the things of God. We can know that he wasn't repentant because he told Tammy that if she told anyone that it would ruin his marriage and his ministry, which tells us that he knew what true repentance would bring. And he sought to hide his sin in the heart of a fourteen year old and did so for 47 years. It's so sick that he placed the responsibility of his marriage and his ministry in the heart of a minor and made her carry it for her whole life.

I was a student at FSM in IHOP from 04-06. I feel like the prophetic history should be thrown out. So many stories involving Paul Cane and Bob Jones. Ones who were abusing women and minors and Mike now too. Mike said the expression of Christianity would change in one generation. In some ways that is true. This generation is seeing through his bs. This generation is not putting up with abusive and manipulative leaders anymore.

This 70 year old Mom of 7, Grandma of 10, thinks you're wise beyond your years.❤

“I don’t want to base my theology on my experience” gold! I completely agree

IHOP doesn’t need to pause. It needs to close. This is an organization built on the foundation of complete lies and sin

The movement right now is the return to the Word, the cross, the real Holy Spirit who always points to Jesus, and simple common sense. We have all been wrong on some level, and we are all repenting and starting over. Not just IHoppers, but so many other ministries that have been off over the years. Keep up the good work.

Super good point that the harp and bowl model is NOT synonymous with the prayer movement! I was on staff at IHOPKC and thankfully never saw it that way, thoughany around me did. I appreciated one pastor saying that while the harp and bowl model was very practical, the small and quiet prayer meeting at the church next door was just as powerful 😊

Hi Blaise and Christina! I’m in a different theological camp, so to speak, and I’ve never been a follower of Bickle or IHOPKC. My son wanted to do an internship there in 2011 but was unable to raise support and thereafter he deconstructed. He continues to renounce the Christian faith and I believe it’s in large part due to the spiritual pressure put upon young people. If your prayers don’t get answered, must be a you problem. Anyway, when all this broke out in October and I started seeing it on Twitter in October as a longtime follower of Joel Richardson, KZfaq showed me your channel and I’ve been watching ever since and follow you both on Twitter. Thank you for your honesty and willingness to admit that this thing never should’ve been built. Praying for God’s richest blessings upon you and your wife and family!

It's important to keep sharing, don't stop. It helps us to learn how to properly divide the Word and recognize the false teachers and ravenous wolves that roam our churches

50 years of unchecked Charismatic leaders and teachings allowed this to happen. Matt 24:11 It's time to call these events out and side with the victims.

Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 Hi Blaise, It's really encouraging to see your progress and how you and your wife have been able to navigate through this whole ihopkc situation. It's been really good to watch you work through the challenges especially the excesses associated with the charismatic community and your realisation of what's really important, the proclamation of the gospel. I was born a Roman Catholic but was converted in the charismatic/Pentecostal movement when I was 14. After 30 years as a Pentecostal/Charismatic, I can honestly say I was much much more superstitious when I was a charismatic than when I was a Roman Catholic and I used to do the sign of the cross when I spilt some salt. As a charismatic, I was really caught up in what I was doing and especially what I was missing out on. There was always an imminent move of God that I was terrified to miss. The New Testament writers calls us to faith and obedience to God and being faithful to our wives and children. Honest in our work and proclaimers of the hope that is within us. As we grow in sanctification being transformed into the image of Christ, we need not chase the dream or the vision but keep our eyes fixed on Jesus Christ the author and perfecter of our faith. Being faithful husbands and fathers, all to the glory of God. Amen 🙏

I appreciated you talking about the prophetic history of IHOPKC. One of the things that really bothers me about Strang and Brown is that they are sidestepping and ignoring what the Bible has to say about false prophets and false teachers. Bickle and Jones were both false. They used prophecy to manipulate and abuse people. Nothing they ever prophecied should be given any credibility. If the prayer movement can’t stand on scripture alone it should be abandoned.

For those who were involved or following IHOPKC it is a full-fledge grieving process . It takes individualized time to work through all of the phases . Praying for all of those who are struggling to come to terms with all of it , that the HolySpirit will comfort , instruct , and restore all who have broken .

"Love your spouse and your kids", that is so beautiful to hear and 💯 right. 👏 💐

Wolves travel in packs….. just sayin’

I hope ihopkc knows that millions of people are praying without ceasing. IHOP is not the only place where prayer is going up. Millions are in their prayer closets every day. They are not making a spectacle of it with constant music and people’s looking for a personal prophecy. It sound like the prayer was more for Mike Bickles will than God’s revealed will in the written word. I’m not doubting the sincerity of the faithful there but it’s clear they were deceived by him. Intercession is to pray God’s will not some vision that a wolf in sheep’s clothing used to get his own ego and lustful intentions fulfilled. It is very sad. Remember a little leaven spoils the whole loaf. I’m 75 years old and believe me ihop was not the inventor of prayer. I believe it’s time for the axe to be laid to the root of this rotten tree. And you are right, Gods people need to get in the word… all the prophecy we need is in the Bible. God is exposing these false teachers, or so called prophets. May Jesus forgive and have mercy. He is giving the people to repent. The hour is late. Come Lord Jesus. God Bless.

I think you & Christina are full of integrity & you love truth 🙏 🤲

Love that wee story re Christina's Granny singing and praising; (and making 🍿and drinking Coca Cola 😂 😆)

I'm with you Blaze about the whole "Prophet" movement. I got saved 30 years ago and moved right into it. I'm disgusted.

I so appreciate you and Christine!! As a former staff member, your videos have been so helpful as I process all of this. Thank you!!

Character trumps gifts.

Wow! You and Christina have maturity that is off the charts! Thank you and bless you both!! Praying for the great health and wealth of your household!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

Thank you so much for your work in commenting about this crisis, Blaise. I am deeply grateful for how much my eyes have been opened about my belief and my faith through your podcasts. Keep speaking truth. Many are blessed.

I love how you encourage people to let go of the big ministry structures and movements. I've experienced major hurt and abuse from 3 ministries I've worked for, and one of their biggest tools is to make you think Jesus won't minister through anyone else. That lie will keep people aligned with a toxic ministry as long as anyone believes it. But once we see the Scriptural and historical truth that Jesus has always and will always preserve His Church, we can be free to truly worship and serve Him, regardless of how flashy our ministry looks to others.

Your instruction for folks to get back to the word of God couldn’t be more pertinent or timely. Very sound counsel. God bless you brother! Your family and ministry 😊

At some point, you gotta wonder what skeletons Strang has in his closet.

That was the best. Many of these man honoring Practices have troubled me for years. But not having a voice being a single divorced woman, and being a woman in particular there was no audience for my observations. I am so grateful to God that this is coming out send I am grateful that my children were able to weather the abuses and remain with the Lord.

Amen, we need to get back to the foundation. Plain and simple.

Thank you Blair’s. This is probably the best summary of this whole IHOPKC tragedy I have heard. Bless you and your family for being real

Blaise loved all you said…couldn’t agree more..full of grace & truth brother!

Thank you Blaise. This is an excellent talk with such heartfelt calmness and maturity. The Lord will help you through this painful season. It takes the weight from off your shoulders to realise that it is God is building HIS church and nothing will stand against her! He is purifying and cleansing and exposing for us to see the dross that He sees.

This was a great video, and so refreshing to actually listen to someone who actually has discernment, and an understanding of what the real spiritual issues are in this whole IHOPKC and Mike Bickle debacle. Great analysis, well done!

Can you do an episode on what the harp and bowl means and what the prophetic history is? Been following you since this broke but am not familiar with either. Thanks!

29:00 - I’m with you brother! Although I never got into IHOP my church was heavily influenced (as was I) by Morningstar, Bethel and the like. Morningstar used to do large conferences at my church and Bob Jones would always come also. I heard all the “prophecies” about a “billion soul harvest” “stadiums being filled” “hospitals being emptied” etc etc. Looking back I see just how ridiculous it all is. Honest question - do any of the “prophecies” of these so called “prophets” ever truly come to pass? Do they point people to Jesus? Has the world become a better place because of these ministries? Things we should ponder. Thank you for your work Blaise. Keep pointing people to Jesus, brother!

When I hear people talk about a great harvest of a billion souls I wonder what book they’re reading because mine speaks of a great falling away with false prophets and false teachers. 🤷🏻‍♀️

basing whether or not someone is annointed on the level of "success" in their ministry is a dangerous proposition

I appreciate you sharing the story about your grandmother-in-law

Wow!!!! Blaze, your words are so true and powerful.

I read she was actually in Junior High and started High School during this time. 14 year old 8th grader.

Amen amen amen! We were in KC for a time. I had 4 daughters who were interns or a student with Forerunner music school. Oh Lord, thank you for protecting them! (Despite it threw one of them really hard to learn all this).

My heart has been heavy and crying out to HIM for the man made build so called church,but I gave my heart to Him just over 20years ago and have seen the damage,not only seen but been on the receiving end of all sorts of abuse since I got saved……..ITS HIS HEART WITHIN OURS,WE NEED TO COME INTO THE SAME HEARTBEAT AS HIS.❤😢😢😢

Just like WE are each a temple of the Holy Spirit, so are we each a house of prayer. I was in the prayer ministry for 30 years and that’s my conclusion at this time. I believe we learned what we needed to. I was in the USSR where it was illegal to have gatherings or Bibles and they were blessed to have a page out of the Bible…I saw amazing strong faith and miracles happen as their relationship was pure, simple and powerful with the Word himself more than with a book, though they treasured whatever portion they had. Sometimes I think there is more affection for the book than the one who is the Word. I believe every idol is being brought down out of Father's love for us--including MB and others in bondage. I have worked with survivors and witnessed first hand the devastation brought on by SA. My heart goes out to every Jane Doe, including those unaware that they are like Tammy Woods and TH were! It's easy to be gaslighted by someone with so much power and charisma. At the end of the day it's about loving Father and others as ourselves. In the midst of everything am I still loving or judging? I see this as Father's great grace--MB had many decades to deal with his stuff and since it has continued it is now time for things hidden in darkness to come into the light--out of Father's love for him and all of us! When every idol--especially those we aren't aware of in our lives comes crumbling down, then like those folks in the USSR, all we have is him and that is a very good thing! At this time in life I’m also back to keeping it simple and real!

I loved this. love your honesty and humility.. Keep speaking out. ive got loads of things wrong over time and you just learn from it and get up and keep going, that way you can help others...

26:27 It makes you think about the following line: “To a people without mixture, I will send my Spirit without measure”

I so love the biblical refocus and your point on what is important , This is one of my favorite sit down conversation post you have pt out this year. well done , and more please ! teach and encourage people in what matters most. Much love in Christ to your and your sweetheart !.

Thank you brother for speaking up against these monsters

From someone on the outside, not having been at IHOP, it seems MB created & enjoyed an ongoing status of “being the high school super star”, surrounded by coeds who adored him for his spiritual stature. He was the “big man on campus”, in perpetuity.

We were warned by Jesus about false prophets and teachers but we are told not to despise prophesy, there is still true prophets and prophetic gifting. I think this is what the person meant when they said don't give up on true prophesy. The problem is that so many followers of these big named "prophets" are not testing and judging these prophesies and these prophets. People need to be more Biblically sound and have better discernment.

Thank you for putting Jesus and the Word of God 1st! I appreciate you!!!!

IHOP didn't pay me when I was at IHOP (haha, love the ministry joke) 🤣🤣🤣

Getting back to Jesus, the simplicity of the gospel, and the Bible- some of the best things I've heard you say. Amen, and God bless you.

Amen. The people who served, loved and worshiped the Lord with pure hearts are received along with their expressions to Him. The fiunder and the foundation are definitely flawed, but that didn't disqualify the "true worshippers" who have worshipped "in Spirit and in truth.".

Amen and Amen!! Lord bless you for your words tonight!!

Good word. We need to find the true prophetic and there is so much unhealthy on both sides. Obviously the spiritual gifts side is bring exposed but even our cessationist brothers will have accountability why they suppressed it altogether? We don't toss out the gifts of the spirit because someone misused them. One could say it's spiritual abuse to deprive the sheep of these gifts God has given to us but you don't teach them because your afraid of them

Hey Blaze. We met back sometime in 2009 during the awakening and had a talk about works and spiritual formation. I still remember how that all went down with Stuart and the hyper grace stuff. I wasn’t enrolled in FMA at the time, but I was going to night watch quite frequently, especially for Jaye’s set. As Someone who has witnessed your spiritual journey since 2008, I got nothing but made respect for you. You have truly demonstrated what it means to “walk out one’s salvation. with fear and trembling.” Love ya bro! Much love from California.

I can’t begin to express how encouraged and blessed my wife and I were by all you shared here tonight Blaise. Rock solid. Though it became clear (at least to my wife and I) Bob Jones was a false prophet at KC Fellowship (83-84), and though I could never get on board with his stories about Gabriel appearing to him and being “caught up”etc, I was still deceived by his “good natured” appearance and seeming sincerity that he exuded. I always thought he was being deceived by Jones and somehow didn’t discern he was of a wrong spirit in spite of so many things he spoke that were contrary to scripture. I was very new in Christ, having been saved in 81 and still wasn’t solidly grounded in the scriptures. Looking back it’s very clear to us now (of course;) why he was so comfortable with Jones. “Can two walk together unless they are agreed?”

I hope through all this that many people will connect with the ministry that Michael Sullivant is now involved in - Life Model Works. After I was involved with several different ministries and seeing the immaturity and messiness in all of them and in me, Life Model Works and the other ministries associated with it are the most stable and mature ministries I've ever seen. The leaders are very humble, and one of the main focuses is becoming a "gentle protector." I've experienced more true intimacy with God and genuine personal growth than through any other perspective.

Stumbled upon your videos and have been very encouraged by your faith journey. Continue to lift up the glorious Gospel of our great God to the world.

True. This is not something that can be easily swept aside. He was the Church LEADER- Pastor. There must be Church Discipline.

We are so hurt for all that has happen at IHOPKC. What will happen to IHOPKC? Mike Bickle is owner of this place. Mike is still on the payroll. Lawsuits are on there way as we see. We love the 24/7 spontaneous worship happening there. All leadership should go. Worship should stay. Thank you for updating on this. Blessings!

I’m so on the same page with you bro. Been in the charismatic movement 50 years. A journey for sure. God bless you brother 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

So glad to hear you call out that 24 hour prayer has always been a thing and will continue to be. Some of the “exclusive” features touted by MB and others regarding IHOPKC such as 24 hour prayer and other things you mentioned contributed to the cultish mentality they’ve fostered

I believe in all the gifts of the Spirit, but I'm wondering if any of these people who are or have been associated with Mike Bickle didn't see it, when they saw double locks on doors and MB spending time with women alone a lot, how are they real prophets or even naturally discerning of unwise behavior? Is there such a charisma and deceptive enviroment with MB that creates a kind of hero worship that it fools even the most respected people known as prophets?

Well done. Excellent summary and kudos on your humble way of putting it ..."that was stupid!" Lol!! Yes we all are so able to see 20/20 in hindsight.

I used to entangled in all of that.. Todd Bently, Patricia King, Rick Joyner.. I go to a Wels Lutheran Church now,.. where it’s only The Word.. no one knows anything about IHOPKC or MB.. unless you listen to Lutheran Public Radio Issues Etc and Chris Rosebourgh Fighting For The Faith on KZfaq will talk about MB and what’s coming out of there story wise.. but unless you are really in all that no one even knows who he is.

Amen about the quiet grandma praying earnestly!

🤔 Something I’ve always thought as funny is when Christian’s use any of the 4 horsemen of Rev 6 as imagery of evil you have to immediate discredit them….they’re the Fathers horses and riders released from the first seal. So…if a Christian says a “black hose” is coming against them/us it may be the Father making war against his enemies and that may be you. Just some food for thought. 🤔

Bless you Blaise, i came out of a very unhealthy NAR type church with a pastor who committed similar abuses. We would have many theological issues but you are speaking SO MUCH truth! Back to the bible..m back to the simple gospel and you are using your brain too! God gave us minds to discern and reason out an issue. The old guard in the charismatic church can be so toxic. I never understand why gross sins are given a pass in the name of an anointing. What excuses and what a lie... you are right, holding up the bible , that is the main thing. We may differ theologically on a lot but the main thing is the main thing. Praise God! 33:04 you are speaking so much truth here! We dont need the prwyer room. I love the stories of the grandmothers who pray unceasingly...thank you for actively sharing both your heart, thoughts and scripture.

I completely agree with you about the sincere hearts at ihopkc being sacred but NOT neccesarily Bickle and his vision. If a throrough investigation is done, no telling what will turn up, most of it not very becoming for a spiritual leader, if you can even muster calling him that now. Sounds like you are getting some clarity concerning this "thing" and I love what you said concerning NOT allowing experience(feeling imo) dictate your theology, as you said scripture is the source theology !!!

Good solid message, thank you and God Bless You.

Bickle is clearly part of a “brotherly fraternity” along with Stephen Strang, Eric Metaxas, Rick Joyner, Francis Chan, etc… and one of the first rules you commit to is defending accused brothers at all costs regardless of the accusations. This is why Strang is acting so strange. These ‘brothers’ defended Bickle before the specific details of the accusers were made public! Why would they risk damage to their own credibility by breaching ‘temporary neutrality’ and examining the credibility of the accusations? Well they all did what their respective ‘handlers’ told them to do/say. Their collective and almost immediate response to fervently defend Mike Bickle was most telling in that regard.

This got super good in the last 10 minutes. Good for you! It is a complete joke. God doesn’t need IHOP to bring in his coming. I hop has had that disgusting pride for a long time. Ihop needs to close

Thank you, Blaise for being a true man of God. May He bless and protect you and your family for standing up and speaking truth that honors Him.

“Billion soul harvest” has never sat right with me…their “prophetic history” as well. And I was a prayer room staff member and worship leader for 6 years.

Sacred cows...hit the nail on the head! You get to the root of this issue. Love your truthfulness and honestly. Im a grandma and an Intercessor for 30 years. Iove the story of your wife's grandma. I resonate! The poor theological foundation and the resultant idolatry is very sad ! You're right Blaise the 24 7 prayer model is a sacred cow that has to go! Praying for you and your lovely family! ❤❤

By the way…good to see you Blaise. Blessings to you and family. 🙏❤️🤗

They still haven’t taken the prophetic history down from their website. Insane!!

I agree with you 100% about the gifts of Holy Spirit but be weary of the experience that’s when things get crazy! Thank you for the videos! Praying for you and your family! Be Blessed!

I see the email MB released on jan 30 as a man desperately running around trying to save what is most precious to him, while his house burns down around him. I also found the Diane would/will say this and that very disturbing. This points to a view he has of his marriage- that he has held so long, he doesn’t realise how callous it is. I see no concern for Diane. Just presumption. It’s awful. Maybe I’m wrong, but I believe Jesus has more concerns over his marriage than his ministry.

Keep talking!!

This was a very good utube tonight thank you all for what your doing. Good word.

I can’t tell if Strang is obtuse and naive or if he has skeletons in his own closet. Either way, I don’t agree with his personal assessment that he is a ‘leader’ in our spiritual movement. I consider his stance dangerous.

I have simplified what a CULT is to 4 basic principles; 1) the claim of direct revelation from God (either a prophet or specific prophesy) 2) Eschatology (an emphasis on a particular eschatological perspective) 3) Imminent future glory (something big is going to happen and you don't want to miss out). 4) no gospel or another gospel preached If you look at all cults, they have at least three of these four things emphasised and that should be enough to have your red flags waving 🚩 as a warning. Did ihopkc have these?

Really love and appreciate your clarity

Spot on. Back to the word and - oh wait- holiness.

The gifts of the Spirit are not the same thing as NAR. The idea of the Fivefold ministry came in with the Latter Rain teaching, a belief that was completely repudiated by the Assemblies of God in the 1950s. NAR is an authoritarian, dominionist movement.

The prophetic history of IHOPKC has been continually revised and edited when things did not come to pass. Why was the "white horse" prophecy changed after Pat Bickle passed away?no longer speaking about the man on the board when Pat was not healed. Shouldn't the whole white horse prophecy be thrown out since part of it didn't happen? How's many of Mike's "prophecies" have actually come to pass? And has he repented for his inaccurate words and owned it? No, why would he when all he had to do is rewrite history.

Really good. Thank you for sharing.

Thanks Blaise for your podcasts. They are a blessing. Please, please, please do not say that Mike Bickle started the Harp and Bowl model. The Moravians were practicing 24 hour prayer and worship in the 1730's. Here is an excerpt from the website of the Moravian Church prayer house in Tallinn, Estonia: "The Moravian Church, an extremely pious Lutheran denomination, was founded in the early 1720s in Germany by Count N. L. von Zinzedorf. It soon reached Estonia via the educated class, manor owners and pastors. It was hoped that the Moravian Church would bring the people closer to Christianity. It succeeded but not always in the way that the manor lords intended. The missionaries who arrived in Estonia from Germany learned the indigenous language, traveled about the villages and held worship sessions. Local preachers, including women, emerged from among the villagers. The brethren taught the peasantry to read and even to write so that they could read the Bible, and record religious thoughts. They emphasized people’s equality and fraternity. All this proved a boon to the peasant’s national consciousness. In spite of difficult circumstances, the common folk began to build prayer houses. They would sing at prayer hours, and talk about religious convictions. For more, you can read about it here: evm.ee/exhibition/the-islands/moravian-church-prayer-house#:~:text=The%20Moravian%20Church%20prayer%20house,the%20movement%20gained%20many%20followers. I have been to the museum and seen their model. They were true missionaries who left their countries, families and comforts to evangelize the lost. They were the real deal. Their prayer houses were fascinating. they had 3 rooms: 1 for prayer and worship, 1 for sleeping and 1 for kitchen/eating and heating. The houses were small, but there were many of them. They did their prayer, sleeping and kitchen duty and fire keeping in 8 hour shifts. I think there were 6 people per house. The Moravians brought real Christianity to Estonia. They taught the peasant class to read and write and taught them choral music, besides teaching them the Bible.

When many do the wrong thing… it doesn’t make it better. It only shows the seriousness of this issue in the church. Just because a crime happened a long time ago doesn’t mean it’s not a crime. With crime it’s the seriousness of the crime and level. Sexual abuse with a minor is very serious crime it doesn’t matter how longtime it happened.

Good to see you again my freind

Amen! It's the laid down life that is infused with Resurrection power!

Notice the theme in everything Mike says: Greatness. His living “humbly” was only unto being great in the age to come. The chariot crap, how IHOP will save Israel. The white horse, the black horse. Everything is so fantastical and “important”. It’s been his desire to lead a “movement” since the start. None of it is humble. Greatness is such a lure…but let’s call it what it is: Lust. Lust for power.

Very good! This. That’s it. The. Word. Of. The Living GOD! ❤

GOD will shut it down if need be because more will be exposed if repentance doesnt come. Repentance from all the leadership