Mike Bickles first victim was 14. His second was 15. His third was 19. I am deeply concerned that KV’s first statement was so out of touch with the criminality of what’s going on and that his apology though well stated, still lacked a real understanding of the seriousness of the allegations. We address his apology around minute 35. We also address his mindset regarding SA in another sermon in around minute 38. This statement had me on edge. Hopefully new listeners can understand and appreciate the seriousness of the allegations and the nature of apostolic discipline found in the New Testament epistles regarding unrepentant leaders.

There is a huge difference between "cancel culture" and holding someone accountable for their behavior.

I am older and have followed these men for years. I have lost a lot of respect for many of them. They are arrogant and very prideful. I don't believe God gave them these grandiose titles Apostle and Prophets. I am praying for the body to have new leadership one of humility, transparency and truth etc. I am so thankful God is raising up new leadership with the younger generation. Love in Christ debs

Yeah, his rant was extremely theatrical and unsettling…the idea that people were laughing made me angry! Thank you for your feedback. I so agree with your thoughts. So many great points!

There are so many things wrong with Kris' statement, but I think the most upsetting to me is the "idiot" statement. So incredibly rude, insulting, and condescending.

I rarely comment on videos, i will today. I grew up in a time when the church blamed the woman and children for their abuse. You shouldn’t report except as a last resort. I’m just wondering, when are men going to speak on protecting women. When you have sexual assault as a child your morality becomes skewed. You don’t know what is normal or right because you are told to be quiet. You become over sexualized as part of your identity, because of the abuse. The man think the abuse can continue because there are no consequences

Kris V. could’ve said that he loves him as a brother and then added very sternly what he has done is completely unacceptable and bc of his unwillingness to repent, publicly and be transparent, we no longer have friendship. But that’s not what he said 🕵🏻‍♀️

Amen Christina!!! Spineless men especially leaders need to stand up for the defense of Jane Does and to stop the horrible cycle of abuse to stop it

Yes, Yes, Yes. All of THIS! I say this as an ordained minister. The silence by the leaders to NOT stand for the victims is DEAFENING.

Our pastor at our previous church used to go on rants like this all the time ( till he ran off with the church secretary, leaving the church far behind ) .and so after all these years, I have a really low tolerance for this garbage. I'm so tired of these guys that are well payed to be Shepards ...standing up there beating up the sheep from the pulpit. The "idiot" statement particularly bothered me because, why can't he understand that people that LOVE Mike Bickle are struggling to process this mess and look to leaders like him to help them sort through it all. A pastor would do that..., instead of calling someone an idiot for seeking out that help from a trusted leader. I feel like if he can't handle these kinds of questions from people, then he probably shouldn't be a pastor. He seems to have this belief that we shouldn't have any feelings about this, that we should just sit down and shut up, and not ask any questions. But people are HURTING over this, both the Victims as well as all the many other people that loved and trusted MB/IHOP. I'm so tired of these guys that call themselves pastors but really are more like CEOs of some huge corporation!! We need real pastors. Thanks for calling this out for what it was. We appreciate you!!

I don't care what Kris V. thinks because I don't recognise him as a leader in the Body of Christ. Great programme 👍

And the abused continue to be abused over and over as these leaders are more concerned about MB. We need to walk in humility and love justice over big ministries.

I’m listening to the clips of Kris and I’m wondering how this is even church?! And the laughter is just so nauseating to me. These subjects are so serious and women are just being run over in our culture even INTHE CHURCH!

"...full on simp for Mike Bickle..." I'm so dead that was HILARIOUS LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Thank you all for continuing to bring your voice to the table. This is about coming together as the Church as brothers and sisters and it is great that we can join in and listen and respond so that truth and justice can we achieved. Christina's comment about what if the person asking for Kris to make a comment was a SA victim was a great point. I knew I didn't like his smug answer but I really hadn't even thought about that. Keep bringing the truth!

I’m so grieved by the state of the charismatic church. Our leaders are failing us. They preach accountability but fail to demonstrate it when it’s someone from within their group. I’m starting to wonder if the western church is in a 40 year wandering period, do we literally need to wait until attitudes die off to have our course fully corrected? Just recently, Brian Houston had another twitter “accident”. It starting to feel never ending with these leaders. Thank you both for your voices of clarity and for taking a stand.

One thing that in my limited view is missing from the conversation in this situation is the lack of discernment in the body of Christ. SOOO many people with "prophetic" gifts, including those in the AG, supported, enabled, promoted, and followed a man who was not qualified in any way, shape, or form to be hailed as a mouthpiece of God. We need to look at ourselves and our role at not discerning not just the right from wrong.... but also what is right from "almost right".

That Kris mentioned Mike instead of victim speaks loudly. Leaders need to mature

Amen that "leaders need to stop living aloof, in isolation, and without accountability" 🎯

What about his wife? Ive not heard anything about his poor wife. How horribly humiliating this must be fir her.

If MB is an actually a wolf as opposed to a sheep, and KV says that MB is his brother, who is their father?

His gaslighting everyone calling into question Mike Bickle's behaviour and abuse is literally making my stomach turn. Rick Joyner did the exact same thing with Todd Bentley and it's sickening... Instantly defending the perpetrators and talking about reconciliation and restoration even without ONCE mentioning their victims it's ABSOLUTELY disgusting.

Hey guys, husband and I just became aware of this issue and I’ve been watching your videos from earliest to most recent. It’s so heartbreaking, but THANK YOU for using your voices and wisdom to help people see a healthy perspective! As a pediatric counselor myself, and as someone whose husband had a close family member with a dangerously close kind of history, we NEED your spiritually grounded insight and example of grace. You’re speaking truth in love and we don’t want it to stop!

"No matter the outcome, I will love him." And that's the *very *first *thing Kris says. It was a matter of very misplaced focus.

From what I’ve read, porn stars don’t choose that life, they are trafficked or mind controlled. Church needs a huge upgrade in awareness about trafficking

It was almost as if Kris was implying that Bickle’s victims were asking for what happened due to the victims’ actions based on the way he shifted to talks about adult movie stars etc. It was like he was saying these victims were doing them same and it was their fault. How sad.

Sadly, I suspect we will be hearing a lot of similar abuses involving more big names. The power, money and sense of entitlement takes over and they get further and further from God.

They all have something in common, much to lose- the millions they bring in through their false prophetic ministries speaking for God. Their empires are threatened. They will either separate the sin of the man still upholding his prophecies or defend him casting doubt on the victim’s. Ihop still keeps his past teachings on their site, that’s not separating from him 100%.

Months ago, anyone could have “watched Mike’s life” and concluded that he was against sexual abuse. I appreciate y’all’s coverage.

I did 3 years at Bethel ssm, the reason he says his life should speak is because Bethel believes apostles and prophets are more like kings, not shepherds. It's kind of like, "Moi???? How DARE you have questions about MOI?!" I don't say that to be mean, it's true. Also, [editing out the name for now] was pastoring a revival group while I was there, and like the second week of school he came out and told his revival group his "testimony" about how he had an affair with a student and committed adultery against his wife, but was restored to his position. I was SO GLAD I wasn't in his group, I would have felt so uncomfortable and unsafe. It always bothered me. [EDIT: I think he's right that women should refuse to sleep their way to the top, women who do that hurt other women by setting the precedent. I think I was there for that service -- Bethel is California, remember, and actually they have film industry people in the congregation and a lot of students are encouraged to go into Hollywood. I think it's important for context that you know there are a lot of people at BSSM and in Bethel who aspire to fame.]

Incredibly disappointed in Kris and Bethel. He completely misses the point of YEARS of unrepentant sin AND, the poor response from Leadership. He is considered a Leader as well, and responded just as poorly. Again, VERY disappointed.

Veil is lifted for all of them!!! Good to see you back Christina :)

The lovely Christina was on fire this message. Feeling it. Thanks guys. You two are leading the charge for those of us concerned and consumed with the victims of Mike Bickle.

I am waking up to the notion that when someone indicates to you what your conclusion should be - thereby short circuiting your freedom to process - it's called "grooming." We are all given the freedom to come our own conclusions no matter how they may differ. To be fair, the person who made the statement to C.V on X, had accusation in the tone, which can put someone (C.V.) in defensive mode. But your analysis is very well articulated.

Also the issue is not if Mike Bickle is loved or not. We need to love all people. The issue is he sexually abused minor and women and gaslighted a whole ministry to hide it. It’s deflecting… like the major problem is if people love Mike or not. That is not the issue nor the priority right now. He was really off

Another fantastic broadcast by the two of you plus one running in and out!!!! I love listening to what you have to say and bringing clarity and perspective. Thank you for that.

So good you guys!! I wonder if you even know the clarity and truth you bring out.

As I continue to listen to KV’s words, I think he is speaking as a man who takes offence to the “Me, too” phenomenon. Women have come to a place where they are realizing that they have been abused at times. It’s been in the news. There is no reason to take gender sides. Wrong is always wrong. Right is always right. To be so bothered by the fact that women are saying, “Enough” (to abuse) as to bring such words and ideas from the pulpit is peculiar. Maybe some men will also say, “(it happened to) Me, too”. If any of these instances are true, anyone can claim “(it happened to) Me, too”, and they would be right to, all together, ask for repentance and restitution. In the Church, though, these things (abuse and sa) should never ever happen. We should be the place of God’s holy people and healing. We are waiting for our leaders to stand up and do what is Biblically right. Speak up for those who have no voice. I’m thankful to God for Blaise and Christina. Like Deborah, in a time of God’s calling, they are willing, along with Brother John Erving and some others, to speak what is right and just.

For those asking WHY? This is on GODS HEART!!!!

IMPORTANT: For those of you commenting that “he apologized” - please watch the entire video to see that we played the apology and commented on that as well. We also played a 3rd clip for more context regarding Kris’s stance on this issue as a whole. Before commenting make sure you understand the entire context and content of our video. Thanks!

Steve Strang full on simp for Mike Bickle 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Wow. Thank you both for what you have offered here. I have never been a part of the larger charismatic movement, though I did have a mentor who was a part of the movement and who led a small group of us through Mike Bickle's Song of Solomon Bible study years ago. But what you have shared here is so powerful and so incisive. Thank you for remaining faithful to Christ with your hearts and lives and for speaking out on this very important subject here. Bless you both.

I’m glad you guys are doing these videos!! This is definitely a God thing for you both to be covering and defending the victims right now and LITERALLY being a voice of reason!!

KV: "No matter what the verdict is on this man Judas Iscariot, whom I love, and who is treasured among us, he will always be my friend!!!" Audience: "Whooooo hoooo! Yes, Kris!!! You go, buddy!!!!!"

This is in direct connection to the celebrity pastor. Their "movie 🎬" is the stage and being in their circle of their power and spheres of influence. It's all connected.

Per CNN (and the Urban Dictionary): Urban Dictionary's top definition of a simp is “someone who does way too much for a person they like.” Other definitions on the crowdsourced online dictionary include “a guy that is overly desperate for women, especially if she is a bad person, or has expressed her disinterest in him whom which he continues to obsess." Perfect description of Steve Strang's views.

Here is another thought. He brought up in the pulpit about being asked. The laughter grieved me the most. I am a victim of SA and that was just horrible to support Mike in essence

In KV's apology statement, he starts off with "| shared a message regarding the need for accountability, transparency, and true repentance from leaders, especially in the Church." I feel this is an incredible mischaracterization of his message. It was more like a defense of those in ministry because of their lack of feeling safe with confessing "struggles" because they might get fired. This all points back to the problem with the Western church, full of structures, hierarchies, titles, paychecks, honorariums, stipends, platforms, microphones, "followers", NDAs, and more. Jesus is building His church, but the old, man-made institution is going to be de-constructed in the process.

Sorry to say, but it makes me wonder what Kris V has been doing himself, to be backing Bickle up this strongly.

I think what we are seeing is that more ministries operate under spiritual manipulation than we realize. The hyper grace is also alive and well and has done more damage to victims in the church. The church usually leans toward the predator or the perpetrator. Victims are not cared for or shown love especially when they have been hurt within the church. Now Is that the God we want to portray? A God that only loves and favors the predators? !

Appreciate this channel so much! So many truth bombs!

Thank you for covering the Kris Vallotton sermon too. I covered it and there is a BUNCH of false teaching in this sermon including that Peter was excommunicated by the disciples before the resurrection. And that we can apply the blood of Christ to people through accountability 20:50 Great line…”they are the biggest threat to the prayer movement. They are the biggest threat to the church as a whole, is spineless men who protect a predator”

I did the One Thing Internship in 2009, and was in and out of the community from 2009-2013. Thank you for making these, thank you, thank you, thank you. I am baffled that the Christian leaders have learned nothing from the Rise and Fall of Mars Hills podcast (patterns), and the Ravi Zacharias scandal. But having seen the top leadership elsewhere and what they were like behind closed doors, I am less suprised at the same time. Keep speaking truth! Also, I used to like Kris Valloton, but I've since seen that his teachings are unbiblical and he's arrogant and fast talking in the way that Dave Sliker is. I truly hope he repents and speaks for the speechless.

This situation is NOT A JOKING MATTER.

Keep going you two! So thankful for you & your voice. Please keep digging.

Girrrl!!! Christina your many points are on point! FIRE!!! 🔥 for Mr Valloton to assume the person calling him out on not saying something about this situation is a fool then he doesn’t even understand the word… it’s easy to rattle off a verse in your bias in an echo chamber… Proverbs 16 Msg 10 A good leader motivates, doesn't mislead, doesn't exploit. 12 Good leaders abhor wrongdoing of all kinds; sound leadership has a moral foundation. 13 Good leaders cultivate honest speech; they love advisors who tell them the truth.

Ywam really needs to release a statement

Can't Stop God Cleaning house !

I’ve always felt uneasy about how KV goes on about meeting his wife when she was 13…he was older - I can’t remember by how much, but 🤔 I’ve always thought that very odd.

Correct me if I’m wrong. Even though he offered an apology, the message is still up.

You two are sooooo married. Love it! ; ),

MB did not live in a vacuum. The people in his life should have noticed his weird behavior and held him accountable. Our relationships should be real life. Not via a corporation or some organizational structure. We are to be a family. Having real relationships. Healthy. Not this weird hero worship stuff. Where everyone looks the other way, bc they’re “special.”

He knew. I listened to the whole message. You are very gracious but please do not be quick to believe him, that he didn’t realize what he said. He gives speeches and sermons for a living. He has to prepare and should be intentional on his sermons. He knew.

True...people do cancel themselves. We need to acknowledge the difference between someone's influence being silenced for the wrong reasons and those who are being silenced and resisted for the right reasons.

Lovely to see you back Christina. Glad you are feeling better.

Kris made a very sincere apology, really respect him for that. We all make mistakes, he owns his which teaches us all.

If you are in a discussion or debate with someone, using a pejorative term towards them(idiot) is a ad hominem attack, using clear a concise argumentation is the mature thing to do, not some 3rd grader sounding response. To top it off was the laughing is just sophomoric, Christina nailed it on the "comedy routine" that's what it looked like to me too.

Kris did atleast admit that he was an idiot for calling him an idiot. And it did seem like the guy attacked him. Idk. My opinion! He clearly took back his knee jerk reaction. Happens to the best of us.

I’m really proud of you two. Behaving so level headed in your discussions and having such compassion and true Christ like character. I like how you trust your beautiful selves that God made. Really. Proud of you.

Should have been more DIRECT AND USED NAMES. THANK YOU FOR THIS. We are out here the body of Christ and we wont be silenced. Im 65 and been waiting for this ! Lets go in Jesus name

Thank you for posting this. I greatly appreciate it!

Always good to see you and your fairer companion, your very beautiful wife Christina, you truly are a rich man with her and the kids yall have made a beautiful family, Shalom mishpocha !

Harvey Weinstein .. is serving 23 years Kris V for what he did to those young actresses !!

Bro I love you. I love how you are not even phased by the christian mafia. You are dismantling every tactic that use without even trying. For real. You are naturally beaming swords through words straight at the dragons heart whether you know it or not. Yuh.

If you don’t follow a man’s ministry and know anything about his life, then why do you care what that man thinks about this issue? I still don’t think everybody in the world needs to state an opinion or “take a side.” I don’t really want to know what any man thinks. I want to know truth only - and what God thinks. Moreover, it disturbs me that the body feels a need to take SIDES. I don’t think there ARE sides. You don’t have to hate Mike in order to support the victims. And you don’t have to disparage victims to love Mike. As Christians, we are called to love & pray for ALL parties with hope that ALL will find healing, deliverance, and reconciliation to God.

bro, your wife is wise. blessings to y'all

Daaaaang 8 minutes in and I'm hollering 👏👏👏 C'MON PREACH 🙌

It’s really interesting to me but people like you and the Enlows are the ones shepherding us through this mess, unlike some others who really aren’t responding in any kind of pastoral way.

Great job with recognition of the apology while calling us higher ⚡️

Bethel looks the other way when women come to them about abuse. One famous person said: I don’t have time for this. Many women came for help and they did nothing. In the community of women who were abused… they all say Bethel does nothing. They all tried to

Former BSSM student here, Bethel is full of bs. Bottom of the barrel

Mike Bickle Was in my dream on 3-4-16 ( I posted this dream on KZfaq ) the first part of the dream was about money received from Christians posting about the ihopkc realm. Curious how much income is received by your postings.

I love God's presence and His Holiness. Thank you for calling out our Pentecostal and Charismatic leaders!

I was a part of a ministry in New Zealand who had a “mike bickle” pastor who was the same NPD personality to a “T”… and after being exposed guess where he went? To Bethel to get back on the ministry revival road show. Meanwhile my family, who were the victims, never got one phone call from anyone. This was no just a statement from Kris, but a culture of honoring the fallen minister over the care and calling of the victim. Shane on them

Are his poor star statement. He’s obviously referencing the porn star who sued Trump. It’s a defense of Trump statement. What a bizarre thing to include in a message to your congregation,

How is a wolf a brother?

I feel about many of these leaders the way I do about many political leaders: some mean well and others don't, but even among the ones who mean well they aren't better at their job than a random person would be. Even if I'm trying and apologetic and do a bad job sheetrocking a wall, I'm going to get let go. How come leaders get to just say any old thing from the platform or pulpit and keep their jobs forever? Maybe this guy's apology is sincere, but who cares? Leaders are supposed to lead well, but a lot of them cannot even do better than silence.

Basic fact The Lord is using The Church to expose and discipline the unholiness in The Church before The Lord has to use Civil Authorities to do it. Yes Praying but there needs to be truth spoken- that is what AG and Survivors/ Victims and "Armchair Investigators are doing.

It's fine to say "no matter what I love him" as long as you also say "if he did this he cannot be a leader and should be prosecuted." People use the correct duty to love all duplicitously and hypocritically.

You guys are great together!!!

I don't follow Bethel and have never before heard Vallotton preaching. I am totally underwhelmed.

Hello Blaise, Christina and everyone! Welcome to Bethel culture where everyone is loved and we try our best to see the best (gold) in people. I am a BSSM 2nd year graduate and saying "I love Mike Bickle" is aka saying "I love sinners and won't condemn them/throw them to the sharks". This is how we are taught to look at things. It creates a blind spot to victims unfortunately. Honestly, Kris theology is completely opposite from MB. Bethel does not live by a doomsday end time prophecies because that causes people to not live well on earth (eg go to college, work, be a light in the world). We believe in victorious eschatology, where things are going to get better and better. There's no need to pray for Jesus to come back. Fasting is optional. Everyone is encouraged to find a proper job. Kris does not know the IHOP culture, neither did i. We celebrate that we can still be friends with IHOP and cross pollinate despite the extreme differing beliefs. We never learned about Song of Solomon, or the church as the bride. Our focus was on Holy Spirit. So yes, Kris is out of touch. Bethel folks are out of touch too.....we often say we live in a Bethel Bubble. So the crowd laughing is coz they really don't know. I tried engaging with an ex classmate but it was impossible. Sigh.

This is a strong message and it is necessary. The church is being humbled. God is removing the spirit of Saul and establishing David. Don’t mourn Saul, thank God we are being freed from the Sauls

They aren’t using wisdom or understanding. They’re using pr people and lawyers.

Bethel's favorite verse "Love Covers A Multitude of Sins"

Thank you for your videos. They are confirmation for me personally. We are supporting a young man who is currently a student at IHOP KC. What would your counsel be for those currently serving as students?

We were watching Mike's life and had no idea what he was thinking.😱

Its Unsanctified Mercy 🥺 towards MB ugh 😑

I get why you guys are upset. Totally. Bear with me. To me, he called them an idiot not because they asked for a statement but because they accused him of being complicit for not making a statement. That's completely different. One is a request and the other is an accusation. But even within the same clip he says he realizes he shouldn't have provoked the situation more by calling them an idiot. I understand wanting to protect victims, totally. He should definitely be more careful. But just because someone fails to mention something in the midst of his comments doesn't make the guy a sympathizer for Bickle. He even said in the two minutes clip, it's a tragedy what's happened. He was not making a comprehensive IHOP statement. He went on a rant at the beginning of his sermon. Would I have done it that way, definitely not. But that doesn't mean he doesn't care about victims. As far as I can tell, the audience were laughing at the way Kris handled the situation on Twitter, not at the victims' situations. Just because you are passionate about protecting the victims doesn't mean we jump to conclusions and assume the worst from a two minute clip. Context matters.

I was a Hollywood actress and I went to Bethel, though I never slept with a producer. Probably because no one asked. (Plus, I was too tired from working my other job as a porn star.) Seriously, I did have a few “opportunities” shall we say, but because I was a comedian I made way too many jokes at the wrong time. (Most men can’t handle it when a woman is funnier than they are.) And yes, Vallotton is out of touch. But hey, Bethel has a “film school” (the only “Mountain” out of the 7 Mountains they seem to give any real import to) so they think they have the scoop on the inner workings and mindset of Hollywood. (Yeah maybe like 50 years ago.) And at the risk of sounding like an LA elitist and a shameless snob, he’s also a former mechanic from Weaverville (super hick town) so his cultural exposure is, shall we say, rather limited. (Nothing wrong with hicks…some of my best friends skin squirrels and go ga-ga over grits.) Seriously, the bottom line in all this is megachurches are an easy breeding ground for narcissists along with becoming a potential cesspool of secrets and lies. Can’t help it…. It’s the nature of the beast. It’s all political, as it tends to get once you reach a certain size. I’m sure Bethel didn’t start out that way. I say it’s time to adapt a wholly different model of how we as believers “do life” together. (And yes, I think it’s weird calling pastors “papas too.” If they are “papas”, aka fathers, they are absentee ones… certainly that’s true in megachurches , where, ironically, it’s the only place they’re called that, as far as I know.) I’ll never forget when Bill J. came out on stage after being gone due to the Covid lockdown and said, “ I love you all…I miss you all you so much”! “We love you too, Papa Bill!” came the thunderous response. Uh, yeah, I thought to myself. You don’t even know me… or have even met me. And I don’t know you. I mean, I’m sure your bodyguard knows you better than I do! (I may be missing something, but did any of the apostles have bodyguards?) So I’m sure as Hellman’s mayo not going to beam with love and call you “Papa” while basking in the warm glow of the apostolic anointing. Okay, I know I’ve been holding back, here. Should I tell you how I really feel?