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Akechi: You should get the True Ending, it's amazing Joker: Okay. Joker: I'll have the Bad Ending Akechi: I am so shocked and betrayed right now

I love the symbolism at the end where Maruki is the one who puts Akechi back in the picture.

I love how both Joker and Akechi are staring towards you in the end picture. They both know

This ending is honestly eerie as hell. At the very end before the credits, Joker clearly recognizes there is something off but returns to his happy friends and lives on the happy reality Maruki has created for them.

The ending everyone wants, and also does not want

Scary how they managed to make a happy end a bad ending considering the circumstances.

The ending picture. Everyone is having fun on the left side, focusing on each other, but Ren and Akechi were not. They both looked the other way. At us. As if teasing: "So, are you satisfied with this ending? Remember. You wished for it."

The ending is really spooky and really depressing but you cannot deny, the part when Sojiro wants to "adopt" Akira was really wholesome.

This Ending may look happy but it scares me Akira and Akechi looking at the Player thinking "Are you happy now?"

I love how in every bad ending *END* is at the bottom of the subtitles, but in the good ending theres a fin. dunno why its just a nice touch.

To add to my previous comment, even if you freed Sumire from Maruki's warping, accepting any of Maruki's offers, will revert her to "Kasumi", this will cause Sumire to be overridden by the Kasumi personality, in a way, you've basically killed off Sumire.

The only way I can see pancakes-kun happy with the rest of the phantom thieves is on the “fake ending” #FeelsBadMan

You know it's off because Goro's tone is too.... upbeat. It's not the charismatic tone from his detective prince persona, and it's most definitely not the blunt tone of his 3rd sem. If it wasn't for that and that pause, I can be fooled into thinking this is the real ending

TBH, if they remove this part 11:00 and if I don't know any of the story before, then I would believe that this is the good ending of persona 5 royal.

aaaaagh it hurts how perfect this ending feels despite being the wrong one. it really shows how good of a villain maruki is. because not only is it not entirely obvious at first sight that his actions are somewhat evil, seeing it in action makes it even harder to go against such actions since the whole crew feels happy with no issues for once.

Atlus' storytelling is godlike. The entire thing just feels off.

This ending cuts deep.... Knowing it's all fake and they are ruled under some villain with a truly good intention... But they're all happy! They have their dreamworlds,their dream lives that were just miles away from them in this reality... All they had to do is forget that there's a real world that isn't so easy and lay back like this one. Atlus really made this ending cut deep to both the player and Joker,we could end their dream and continue on our justice! While tearing up this dream and practically setting it ablaze... But it will get a hold of most players who generally want to see this truly happy ending for the cast and know it isn't their reality anymore... It must hurt for Joker to rip them from their paradise and let them know that this isn't real. I both want them to be happy but I also don't want them living a fake life made up.

Compared to the Yaldabaoth bad end, THIS one at least makes sense because you can clearly see how Joker might actually make the decision in universe.

Maruki: Will you please accept my new reality? Joker: Sure. Maruki: Hahaha, I knew you would defy m-, wait what? Crow: DAMN YOU! *Credits*

Bruh that phan site comment "when tf did it become feb". People know they just don't care.

god morgana's human voice is so disorienting

Perhaps this is the “bad” ending and Maruki is a “villain”, but know that most people would say yes in a heartbeat if given this opportunity in real life. We say we wouldn’t do it in the comment section because the story goes out of its way to tell us that’s wrong, but is it really wrong to tell an unfair world to get bent? If you’ve played the SMT games, you probably know what I’m talking about. But wanna know why it says END instead of FIN? Because it’s the end of Persona, which implies there’s no chance for Nyx or Izanami or Yaldabaoth or Nyarlathotep to screw with humanity because humans are universally happy in Maruki’s new world. FIN just means this tale is over, but END means there are no more stories to tell. Man, this is a really layered series.

I'm surprised Akechi didn't make more of an effort to stop you from accepting Maruki's offer

the tilted end credits and Joker/Akechi looking at the player at the end cements its the wrong ending. living a lie is never the right option

Aketchi: “HOW CAN YOU ACCEPT THIS!” Joker: “Feels like a betrayal doesn’t it? I wonder what that’s like?” Aketchi: “Yes actually! And it pisses me off!” Joker: “now you know how it feels!” Aketchi: “You petty DI-“ *Maruki instantly confirms his reality.*

the look of ren’s face it feels like he regretted that choice

One thing this ending does highlight is a common theme within Modern Persona games. They all have messages about facing things in your life in order to live a fulfilling, true existence. In Persona 3 it was death, which one needed to come to terms with so that they could find meaning in life. Living a life filled with friends, and family doing good deeds, and fighting for more than yourself. In Persona 4 it was the truth, the good and the bad. You needed to acknowledge your deepest flaws and insecurities in order to change to become a better person. You couldn’t bury them. In normal Persona 5, it was the status quo. You needed to face the underlying issues with the status quo if you wanted it to change. That could be scary or difficult, but you needed to do it anyway. As for Royal, it would be facing suffering that you have little control over in life. You can’t run from it, or try to bury it. One must accept it, and see if they can learn from the suffering

It pains me how when they're all shown living their ideal lives, joker n akechi are playing chess, he wished to have a rematch just like they had promised eachother

Ah right, the perfect ending we all want but shouldn't have...

I know this is technically a bad ending but god it's cute seeing everyone happy

The whole thing is nice and happy ... then you reach the credits and get un uneasy feeling

This ending is so brilliantly done. Its meant to be a perfect ending (from Maruki) yet it feels horrible, and too perfect. I was at a loss for words seeing it for the first time with the Japanese release

Ending hits harder now, Rest in piece to Billy Kametz, amazing VA work and a legend.

It's scary to know how they managed to make "happiness" feel wrong

You know what’s an interesting detail I noticed? Maruki actualises his reality so quickly that he doesn’t actually *need* to have joker accept it, but because joker was such a big help in his work and because Maruki respects him, he’s willing to risk it all to prove a point to joker.

I think that by getting this ending they commit an "Innocent Sin" and we all know how "long" is the "punishment" for it.

This ending is honestly really depressing and pretty spooky when you think about it. I am glad that Atlus did not go with this ending. As much as I would have liked a Persona 4 Golden ending were everything’s ends up ideal, that is not all that realistic. This ending goes against the Phantom Thieves entire identity, and the message of Persona 5.

Marukis theme's guitar riff in the credits while seeing everyone's dreams made a reality, while deep down knowing that their struggles and growth from them are for naught is absolutely chilling to my core. It's a fantastic composition of both major and minor tonality to reflect the gray nature of marukis and the players choice. That solo at the end is very pink Floyd too. I used to think that marukis theme while councilling was great, but after seeing this and truly understand it's significance, I can't ever hear it the same way again. Similar to how we are removed from the illusion of marukis perfect and world and are the only ones who see the truth behind the veil.

13:48 hits me real hard

Morgana is the entire reason why I cannot get this ending.

This breaks my heart a little because that's the ending that should have happened... but then again, the Royal's message is how about how reality is cruel and unfair, so...

Honestly, of all the endings in Persona 5 and Royal, I'd have to say this ending is just... So wrong. In this one, the protagonist is aware of what they chose. Just choosing to say yes to any offers Maruki says means you'd kill off Sumire and make her turn to Kasumi, and you'd end up just... Erasing all the progress you made. This meant distorting everyone's views to make things into the 'ideal' reality that you and everyone wanted, but... Honestly? I think the player wouldn't want that. Also, Akechi was there so he must've been aware at the end. Judging from the photo, he might've been aware based on how he was looking at the screen. It's like he's showing a sign that basically says, “You chose the wrong ending” or even “This isn't right.” Nevertheless, I think this is really interesting and a surprising turn of events for a bad ending. You have outdone yourself, ATLAS. (btw!! An unpopular opinion of mine on "Kasumi" Yoshizawa (the one Sumire was pretending to be when her older sister had originally died)? I really don't like her from the get-go. Sorry, but... I don't get as to how others liked her in a sense- I prefer Sumire better; also I wish they could've changed her persona outfit to something that doesn't... Resolve with being a copy of Joker's. Again, just an unpopular opinion.)

7:33 oh my... this bad ending is even more desirable than I initially suspected.

notice instead of Fin like an ending normally is, its End. now i dont know if thats just somthing royal does for its endings, so if it does i apologize, but ive always found Fin to be happy, and acomplished. like yay, you finished! but end? you didnt finish it, it just stopped, ended, not completed.

This has to be the best bad ending in gaming history

Fun Fact: Akechi in the Japanese Version was NOT that aggressive over the fact Joker would pick Maruki's Reality Manipulation over changing his heart (Cough cough brainwashing which Akechi criticizes in this version hypocritically) and in fact while he was reluctant over the fact Joker would pick that choice he was actually understanding of it compared to the English Akechi who is just like "DAMN YOU!" in this version

Me: *sees wakaba alive* Also me: how does that even work?

this ending is actually so disturbing to me. imagine going through a whole year fighting to make the awful reality better for everyone (mainly the phantom thieves) by changing hearts and in a way, changing destiny yourself, just for all of that to be wiped clean and replaced with a reality where you never faced any hardships. not only do they not go through any development or growth, but in a way it also feels like its mocking your efforts for trying to make the actual reality a better place despite the circumstances. although, the mere existence of this ending makes it one of my favorites. i adore the way you can see joker realize something isnt right in the end, but ultimately chooses to ignore it and goes back to everyone. its so eerie it sends a chill down my spine

11:06 you can see that he knows this is wrong and that he wants to fix it but he doesn't want to ruin everyone's happiness

To most people it looks like they get to live in a paradise but in truth they're giving up their free will and just living as Maruki's puppets in a stage where nobody earns their happiness

Pure Nihilism in its finest form. At least he's more creative in wiping out humanity than Nyx however.

What an eerie yet amazing ending.

This ending hurt so much when p5r first came out in Japan and Tim was livestreaming it. Chat went crazy. I personally might've shed a tear or two,,,

This ending is so harrowing because if I were given a decision like that, I’d probably end up accepting. That being said, Sumire being condemned to live forever as Kasumi is sickening. If Maruki could just revert Kasumi’s death, it’d be easier. There’s also the implication that Maruki either forces it on Akechi or Akechi is beaten into submission immediately after you agree.

Fake ending is definitely the best way to describe this. Yes it's happy for the characters but they also lose any growth they had as characters. Emotions positive or negative is what defies you as a person and makes you grow. Emotions are a tool that teaches you right from wrong and makes life worth living.

I love how there isn't any barely contained malice in Akechi's voice anymore. He's just... happy. Almost makes me want to cry. Robbie Daymond put on a truly legendary performance in this game.

I honestly love endings like this because it really opens your mind to the hypothetical question. "Would I be happy living in this kind of reality?" Me personally, I think I could never really accept it. I'm the kind of person that starts to suspect foul play if things go too well, which then leads me to look into matters. If I find out something wasn't of my own merit I feel cheated out of the sense of accomplishment with my actions and beliefs, I challenge myself because I wish to grow from the pain I endure. However if it is a reality that everyone around me accepts then I'd would most likely see myself out through a way that I disagree with on a moral and belief principle. This whole fake reality really does drive the feeling of wrong you get when you know something is going too well. But I can see how some would want such a reality as this, despite my disagreement with it. Though who knows if you've never realized the reality was fake you would be happy... But that just seems wrong to me.

It's the complete bliss that humanity is always striving towards, yet why does it feel wrong? It's because with nothing left to strive for, life becomes inert and no different from death. If we ever evolve to a point when we can accept complete bliss, it's beyond how we comprehend life as we now know it.

This ending is so creepy man, like it just feels so damn wrong.. they really did a good job with this man. The third semester all around is just superb

getting rid of pain and suffering for all of humanity? wow, maruki has such a nice *ark* it kinda makes sense that joker and him came into a *covenant*

Every Persona game always ends with “fin,” but in this ending, it says “end” to show that something’s not right. This is so genius how did I just realize it now

It's also really creepy how Sumire's name is now reverted to Kasumi in this ending, effectively undoing all that progress she made in accepting her sis's death and becoming her own true self, and reverting back into ignorant bliss

I honestly think that if something like this were to actually happen, most people would side with Maruki

The ending they deserved *But the ending they don't need...*

Akechi being cheerful and peppy is scaring me far more than it should. And seeing "Kasumi" instead of "Sumire"...oof.

This just shows how happiness can be fabricated so easily. P5 truly did an amazing job telling the story of genuine happiness and forced happiness. The ending you wanted but at the same time realizing it's wrong to get anything what you want even when the impossible is possible.

Seeing Akechi be genuinely happy and getting along with everyone else is so damn heartbreaking because we know that it isn’t what he wanted.

This like Persona 3 bad ending but everyone doesn't really kinda die.

chose a painful truth were you will be hurt, and lose things over reasons outside your control, or live a lie in paradise, where everyone you know is happy, and everyone you love is there for you. if we were given this choice in the real world, i wouldn't be surprised if half the planet would want to live a lie, some people are hurting so much they just want peace, they ache for a happy end, others would refuse, maybe they're behind such wishes and want to move on. i don't know what i would've picked, i believe that one must be hurt and suffer to learn and grow, on the other hand, i'm sick and tired about everything that's going on in the world and just want to live in peace.

This reminds me of Serah Farron’s dream ending in Final Fantasy XIII-2. She’s satisfied and never wants to leave, but something that’s off is really bothering her.

This ending hurts... It’s so heartwarming but none of it’s genuine...

I’ve never felt this way with a game ending before. Truly eerie. Also the akechi and joker chess match 😢

This ending is heartbreaking. Seeing Wakaba alive, Madarame as a good person, Okumura back to life and being a good dad, everyone getting their dream life. Yet it's all a fake.

I melted when I saw that picture of Futaba in uniform, and Akechi and joker playing chess together. I love this ending so much but obviously it doesn’t feel right. It would feel like a badly written ending if a persona game finished with “everyone is happy and they lived happily ever after”, I love the true ending because it’s hopeful, happy and grateful. This ending doesn’t have that emotion. as what was intended, the emotions in the true ending feel real where as this ending it feels fake. But I can’t figure out if Akechi and joker do remember everything, or do they know that something isn’t right? Like did joker walk away from maruki after the picture, as the game saying he accepted that reality and that’s him truely embracing it. Or is joker just like, wait I feel like I know that stranger somehow. Like the more I think about it, the more that ending is scary. If Akechi and Joker also lost their memories, and living their dreams not realising it’s fake, then everyone in that reality has their thoughts manipulated by maruki every second. Their thoughts and actions made so they won’t cause pain to anyone or themselves. No one is themselves anymore, their conscious and subconscious is controlled by Maruki. They are all puppets, as if they were a shadow version of themselves from someone else’s cognition... 🤭

The two endings are pretty much this: You forsake the values of the Phantom Thieves in pursuit for a better life instead entrusting that Takuto will hold up his end of the bargain and give such a reality for you which he actually ends up doing. You and your entire group get what they want and live their lives happily alongside those who have died being brought back to life and judging from Takuto's attitude at the end it's likely he just goes on to use reality manipulation for aiding others or just quits entirely on that end...However then the bad is that Sumire is completely dead as much as she wanted to be even prior to the game even introducing her alongside you forsake your ideals as a Phantom Thief and the weight of your actions prior are completely tossed away for this ending...Are you willing to sacrifice your Journey for the best ending possible? I am, Maybe you aren't, That's perfectly fine as both options are viable although one is only Canon! You stick with the values of the Phantom Thieves and forsake the reality manipulation that Takuto is trying to do to give the thieves a better life and go on his way and then stop him and force him to give up, With that anyone you could have saved is now permanently dead (Minus Morgana since he didn't die and Akechi in the True Ending where it's revealed that he actually did live the Shido Encounter due to your actions although purposefully vague) and the wants that everyone wished for will not be reality but this also means that you haven't forsaken your ideals as a Phantom Thief (Ignore the one mementos mission where you do and this entire Third Semester for that point!), Your actions up to that point actually mattered and had weight throughout as you kept your ideals, Sumire will live on and the power of Mementos is no longer going to be abused...Right? No, Scramble exists and is a Sequel to this game so yeaaaaahhhhhh...The Real/True Ending is a happy ending at a big cost but one that must be took if you decide to stick to your Phantom Thief Ideals and want your Journey to have carried purpose or if you simply just want to safeguard Mementos from people who would abuse it no matter who they may be even if that ideal is a completely fruitless goal. Are you willing to sacrifice a chance at the best life possible for the characters you are with for the Ideology of the Phantom Thieves? I'm not, Maybe you are, That's perfectly fine as both options are viable although one is only Canon!

Doesnt this also mean the efforts of the Thieves become meaningless? Like... Kamoshida never committed anything to begin with, which means they never came together for the reasons they did.

I think the ending credits of bad endings being rotated sideways is a neat detail. Things have literally gone sideways, and it shows :o

Giving up freedom for the sake of their happiness, what a bbbitter feeling

3:44 Something about Sojiro’s “Who?” is pretty funny, ngl

i wonder the implications here were they ever phantom thieves at all? are they normal teens or is an ideal of the games timeline and for example, akechi was never lying, only has robin hood, etc

Had it not been for that _moment_ at 11:06, the perfection being _too perfect,_ and me reading through spoilers -because I know I will never be able to play this- I would've thought this was the true ending

Even in this ending, i still love futaba and yusuke’s interactions

Not sure if anyone noticed but the credit song almost sounds similar to futaba's place theme song. That guitar solo. It still creates this happy and sad melody. I guess that's what this ending is Joker seeing everyone is happy but knows it's just a dream, an alternate reality. Crazy stuff.

One of my best endings in any game. Sad sometimes a fake future is what we all dream of!

I just realised Ryuji’s team has no eyes

The bad ending doesn’t feel like the bad ending at all, Maruki all he wanted is to make everyone stop suffering and make them happy he really isn’t a bad guy like most villains all he wanted is everyone to be happy because he lose everything but still held on together to make his dream a reality even tho we punch him over and over during the good ending progression

I like to believe Joker said Yes right there just to piss off Akechi.

The part that always throws off this ending for me is Ren in the last picture. He isn’t smiling, like, at *all* . He isn’t happy with this. If he doesn’t remember outright, he knows something is wrong here. Everyone else is happy, but at what cost? They’ve lost all the growth they put effort into and are essentially being forced to deny what made them who they are in the real world. A good example? Morgana. He was never human in the first place. He was a construct created by Igor as the embodiment of humanity’s hope. His whole arc was learning to be secure in himself and his identity as not human. Now? He’s human, sure, but he’s lost all the development that made him who he is. Is he even still Humanity’s hope? Is it distorted now that he is? It essentially boils down to: should you take the easy route and gain what you wanted without having to struggle or should you take the difficult path that lets you learn how to handle hardships and be comfortable with yourself and knit tight personal bonds?

12:00 Morgana stole Ann from my Harem! How is this world perfect Maruki?!

If Persona world is a part of Megami Tensei Multiverse, then i guess this ending is also canon considering in this universe, you accept the deal with Maruki while in other universe, you reject the deal with maruki. And in other universe, you accept the deal with Yaldabaoth.

The only problem I have with this ending is that there is no epic final boss fight because if I was in joker's position, I would have accepted his offer.

To deny reality, choose happiness. This wish doesn't seem to be the story of the Phantom Thieves alone.

"And thus, with this course of events, the ruin Yaldabaoth spoke of became reality, not by the will of a malevolent God, but the the people's own desires. With this, no one improves, no one overcomes, no one grows, and no one bonds. The world stagnates... Damn that Igor.. he really was spouting nonsense..."

For some reason, this ending feels kinda... I dunno empty? I'm happy for them but it feels kinda empty... Well, at least for me.

Joker’s wish was to stay at the cafe with all the other phantom thieves… OOF

This is so good, but so bad too.

It was so good, and yet so fake. Why does it not feel satisfying even though it a happy ending?

Come little children, I'll take thee away, Into a land of enchantment. Come little children, the time's come to play, Here in my garden of magic. I still remember it like it was yesterday, though it was countless months ago. After he was defeated, not much of our once beautiful city was left. And the ten brave ones that stood up for us all disappeared from public eye. One day, one man, saddened by our daily struggles, proposed to form a new world where all of us would grow strong and happy. But the elders forbade it, for they felt that would divide and shatter the weakened society forever. Nobody knows that we are still here, smiling beneath the sky while remembering our dear father, for we will forever be... his children of the dream. Come, little children, I'll take thee away Into a land of enchantment Come, little children, the time's come to play Here in my garden of shadows Follow, sweet children, I'll show thee the way Through all the pain and the sorrows Weep not, poor children, for life is this way Murdering beauty and passions Hush now, dear children, it must be this way Too weary of life and deceptions Rest now, my children, for soon we'll away Into the calm and the quiet Come, little children, I'll take thee away Into a land of enchantment Come, little children, the time's come to play Here in my garden of shadows

To be honest, I like this ending. Everyone is happy, even if it is not a real reality. In fact, our friends just lost their memories, but they are the still as they were. Well, except for Mona of course and maaaybe Akechi. Although given the last frame, it seems in the end Akechi, like Akiren, knows that this isn't the real reality. And it looks like they both accepted it. Faz, can you make a video where we accept alternate reality 2/2 in conversation with Akechi?~