Hard to argue. I made a similar move to a PP, but from a KTM SD GT. Same feeling as you. The KTM CAN be a sport tourer. But it's a modded Superduke in the end--and the old, outdated one at that--compared to the PP. The PP IS a sport tourer.

Can you explain some of your reasons??

Until it breaks down or starts rattling 😅

Ducati its more reliable than most of bikes, for example, bmw gs valve service its 20.000kms, Ducati V4 its 60.000 kms...

​@@alexandrevarandasfireballsono italiano, la ducati il marchio è prestigioso, ma qualsiasi ducati ha bisogno una manutenzione di tante parti, infine solo coppia, zero motore, la ducati è una ferraglia che cammina

They changed the seat in 2024. Looks great on the bmw

nice

No it's gone be the Ducati Multistrada Pikes Peak SP👌 210/215 hp

so will it be a pikes peak r or sp

Not far wrong

V4RS quite the ridiculous and amazing machine from what I’ve seen.

First minute torque is mentioned 😊

@@andy4072 So point out to me where the torque figures for each bike are mentioned, not just the word torque when talking about shiftcam?

Now now ladies

Waiting for the BMW to compare to my awesome Multi PP. Do NOT think the standard multi V4 S IS a PP. MOST things are different on the PP--from chassis specs--including swing arm, rake, trail/electronic settings/wheels/tires/Ohlins suspension/brakes/swing arm and front chassis dimension/handlebars/footpeg dimensions are all somewhat-to-very different between the two Multis. The two Multis are more different than alike. Coming from a very good KTM Superduke GT--I was nervous buying the PP. Not anymore. PP IS the best sport tourer with very good two-up capacity and comfort. Super duke GT is a 8.0. Pikes Peak is a 9.5. Will this BMW trump both? I am concerned this revver motor wont see the power peak much so that leaves torque/drivability between 3000-8000 rpms, where the motor on a bike like this will be used 99% of the time. We shall see.

@@tomtraynor5384 Every PP owner has the same thing to say. I am waiting to test ride one 😎 Thank you.

Pikes Peak is much more capable than the standard Multi in the areas of handling/braking, etc.

I dont think so as it could increase the cost of the bike overall.

I'd like to how many prospective buyers of these bikes will actually take their bikes to the track. If not many, then the BMW power advantage is a moot point.

These bikes would primarily be seen on the street. If you needed a track machine, they already make the RR and R.

😉

Don't use it then. I don't understand the Luddite argument. It's not mandatory, you don't have to use it. A bike having radar cruise control is not a legitimate criticism. Just don't use it...

Neither of these bikes are cheap to buy, but what would you expect?

Actually vale spec is over 36,000 miles on Pikes Peak.

@@tomtraynor5384 Referring to Desmo Valve Engines that have a 18000mi valve check.

@@tomtraynor5384 True that.

Not to mention it sometimes has trouble with cars merging in front of you/away from you.

Real road riding.

It’s the gran turismo engine with valve springs, it has a much lower redline at like 10.5k but has considerably more torque down low and the mid range. Also with tuning, exhaust and a filter they pick up alot of power. It’s not exactly fair to compare the two because the Ducati has a more tammed down V4 which also btw has 35k miles “USA miles” service interval and like i said its a good road engine. I have a streetfighter V4 it’s amazing but for an everyday bike it’s way too much, the advantage with the BMW is its shift cam tech, when working correctly will give you the same torque as my streetfighter down low and all the same top end. The grand turismo engine btw makes a good 10 foot pounds over me, it comes down too what do you want A more streamlined V4 with a lot of low end or a high revving good top end power inline 4. But i do agree Ducati should of shoved in my engine into the pikes peak edition Just my two cents

Exactly. Find anyone who needs all of that for normal road riding, then see how long they remain riding for. Thats more than 99% of riders would use on road. Marketing, not usable performance.

Not for long🙊

You will never see that speed on a tall bike to be honest a dont think

You are correct, but the new M1000XR is not compared with the PP but with the new Multistrada V4 RS which will smoke any other bike in this category 😂😂

@@ricardoanez6436 The MXR will have better numbers, and with the shift cam probably better mid-range usable power. The Ducati may win on top end speed. But for likely $10K less, the XR will be highly attractive. The major bummer with the MXR seems to be that BMW is not offering it with side cases. What a stupid decision!

@@salishwanderer7869 Remember the extra $$$$for the ducati is because of the better high quality components, just a ohlins suspension about $5k, brembo brakes$$$$ and the bunch of upgrades in electronics too

M1000xr will smoke the Audi MS V4RS🤗🤗

@@jenne5859 I have not seen these two bikes racing yet, bc they are two new and nor out yet, but the 2023 s1000XR and the S1000RR I smoked them both with my Ducatis Multistrada V4s and my Panigale V4s 🤣🤣🤣🤣also what do you mean when you mention Audi??

It will not happen, brother, people will get killed in the spot

Im not sure sir. But i think its Nexx or Naca

Ducati have a 4 Yr unlimited mileage warranty in the UK. BMW 3 yrs 36000 you work it out

I know what you mean about the wobble and weave

@@BIGGGESTAL yeah, its a real problem with some of these big hp adventure bikes that can go very fast but also wobble from being unstable.

same did you get yours do you mind to tell me what the dealer gave you on trade

No vibrations on my 2021 XR; smooth as butter.

I'd go for the Ducati and one reason is that inline 4s still have that high frequency handlebar buzz, which puts my hands to sleep. Ducati's low frequency buzz is much more tolerable for me.

@@rlsedition that question has been corrected. I understand that Pryor to 2020 editions the BMW bike had that buzz over the bars. I own a 2022 S1000 XR And there is not a bit of vibrations not on the bars, and neither at the pegs 👍🏻

@@Fernando90054 I haven't heard any bike journo make that claim, that the vibes have disappeared on the S1000XR. That's a bit difficult for me to believe, as inline 4s have a second order high frequency issue which show itself in the handlebars. The other thing is that some folks are more sensitive to this issue than others. Every inline 4 I've owned has had this issue and I don't like it. If it doesn't bother you, great.

@@rlsedition yes , probably you’re right again on that about sensibility that changes from person to person. You know, like I know that defects are more popular than their corrections. But I can understand the argument about the engine type . When it’s tolerable, for me a little vibration, is a good vibration. Always has been to me. What could suit you well could be a bike like the Honda Goldwing. It’s the smoother bike that I ever ridden 👌🏻

@@Fernando90054 It's also what type of vibration, as the high frequency stuff bothers me where the low frequency does not (I ride a Ducati).

Tracer 10 with crossplane engine! or a supercharged versys :D

@@tubejorrit yeah, i think Tracer with CP4 from the R1M is the best option and it will sound pretty damn good!

You really think this BMW will be significantly cheaper? I do not.

I would have bought even a standard Multi V4S if it was a bit cheaper, and lighter. Couldn't justify it over a non-M S1000RR. I prefer the clip-ons riding position and I found a new 2022 S1000RR for 20k. I went to Ducati and specced up a Pikes Peak with some typical options, it came to 35k!

@@MattNeighbour Not a fair comparison, as the S1000RR is, like the Panigale, a race bike for the street. Plus, you can't compare pricing of a top-of-the-line Multi to a base S1000RR. Try the M version BMW superbike instead, which ain't cheap either.

@@rlsedition the purchasing decision was 2022 S1000RR (with most of the option packs included) vs Multistrada V4S. Still cheaper. The M1000RR is worse for the road as it doesn't have the electronic suspension, and it's better compared to a Panigale V4R. It comes down to whether you want a touring bike that's been made more sporty (Pikes Peak) or a superbike that's comfortable enough to ride to the track or the Alps.

@@MattNeighbour Your money, your call.

nah it's great for long cross country journeys to rest but keep moving in right lane

Ducati is Audi

Wrong. Uk warranty on a Ducati is 4 yrs unlimited mileage. The BMW 3 yrs 60,000 miles.

Is it ?

Different targets, different performance, different pricing.

@@rlsedition right, value for money. Yamaha & Honda is for pleasure, and Ducati & BMW for service centers. P.S. ...information from operating experience.

@@freefleer_ola "Operating experience" from which model/year, exactly? The older bikes required much more frequent servicing than what Ducati sells today (I'm talking water-cooled bikes here). My 2017 SuperSport has 18k valve adjustment intervals, where my air-cooled 1999 900SS has 6k intervals. Today's Ducati's are on par or better than the competition on maintenance requirements.

@@rlsedition From Ducati, I had experience with a 2015 Ducati Multistrada 1200S. Malfunctions were constantly in the electronics and the brake system ...

@@freefleer_ola So yours is anecdotal, from your own machine. OK, but I have three buddies now on Multis who have had no issues at all. Don't use a broad paint brush on the brand to suggest all Ducatis have problems - they don't.

already being an owner of 2022 X-Diavel ... and I have tried the Multistrada V4 ... it's good, but not great

Yo tengo una PP v4 y en España son 4 años de garantía

5 year warranty in Australia

Multistrada is four years!

Ducati has a 4yr unlimited mileage warranty😂

It's not for you.

@@stevenkelby2169 that's not for you to decide. Go troll somewhere else. 👋

Can you point me to "better torque" on BMW? My Multi PP wheel dynoed at 92-ft pounds peaking at wheel around 7-7500 RPMs--off memory. Of course max horsepower would be lower on the PP but It's rare to run it to even the 10,000 redline in real world riding. I ride tourer bikes around 3000-8000 98% of the time. I'd like to see the torque/power of both motors in that range.

at 1.22 in the video it tells you the 200Hp and 147kW for the BMW. Most riders use the BMW also in that RPM range. And that is where the highest kW numbers come from. Watts and Newton meters is widely used in the rest of the Metric world. You can easily convert it online, to countries where people still use feet and stuff.

@@BMWHP2 Wonder if this motor is EXACTLY the one in the 1000R? I guess kW IS horsepower? And at what RPM is it that? Nothing will replace two Dyno graphs overlayed, me thinks. "Area under the curve" between 3-8000 rpm is what I'm wondering about. Pardon my ignorance on the kW-horsepower thing.

@@tomtraynor5384 I have been dynoing many motorbikes over the last 40 years. When comparing same brand, same model, same year, there hardly is any significant difference. All within 1% or 2%, and that goes for all stock motorbikes. The BMW shown is not the standard 1000R, but the M1000XR derived from the M1000RR that has 212Hp. So a little down on Hp to 200Hp and camshafts more set for torque. I have seen numbers around 86ft pounds at the wheel 8900 RPM, for the 2023 M1000RR model. The M1000XR model should be set for less Hp and more Tq.

@@BMWHP2 I think I understand. :). So here are some data an actual dyno from the near identical to the new M XR motor (?) M1000R: MAX torque of 83 ft lbs at 11,100 rpm vs my PP dyno showing 92 ft lbs at 7300 rpm. The M1000R produces 75-81(with a tune) ft lbs torque at the same 7300 rpm’s as my PP is producing 92 ft lbs at 7300 rpm’s. So the BMW is a screamer motor, requiring more rpm to still not really match torque of the PP. Of course the butt dyno will be all that matters. At any rate-I will 100% be looking at the new XR M1000R. I just enjoy having the higher torque at more real world accessible torque. I even miss my old KTM GT a bit in that regard. Thing could punch out of low rpm’s like Mike Tyson. If KTM totally upgraded the GT-I’m back looking at that too. But it is a bit of a small chassis for a bike ridden 90% two-up. Nice “problem” trying to discern the cream of a now very rich crop of ultra performance sport tourers. Ride safe.