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NEW Hongdian N12 vs Pelikan M800 Fountain Pen Review

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Inkquiring Minds

Inkquiring Minds

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@amyfeigt6715
@amyfeigt6715 8 ай бұрын
I love writing with my N12. I have a Pelikan m200 & a vintage 400nn is currently en route, but for everyday use, I've really been enjoying my assortment of Hongdian, Majohn & Kaigelu pens. Jinhao gets an honorable mention, but I really wish they offered more filling systems, if they came out with a piston filler I would be a happy camper.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a Jinhao piston filler too!
@schm4704
@schm4704 8 ай бұрын
As a Pelikan person, I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion: they just feel so much better, and will probably be usable for generations. But since I wouldn't take my Souveräns to the office, I am quite happy that the current generation of affordable pens exists.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
I agree. The Pelikan never leaves the nest.
@radellaf
@radellaf 6 ай бұрын
good idea… I took my M600 to the office and dropped it on its butt after missing my pocket. The piston knob works fine, still, but doesn’t “grab” when all the way in, the way it used to. At least it wasn’t my 800. But yes, I do love how many $10-50 pens there are out there now. I can’t get enough Jinhao 82s
@paulmchugh1430
@paulmchugh1430 8 ай бұрын
A worthy pen. I do have an M800 and while this does not compare to the fabulous Pelikan pen, I enjoy Hong Dian pens, especially their new nibs. The resin on this pen is fabulous. All the best to you and your family during this holiday season, Doug.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas!
@Guderina
@Guderina 8 ай бұрын
Doug, I completely agree. My Pelikan M600 is my little gem, perfectly sized for my hand. Nevertheless, it's worth acknowledging HongDian's efforts in crafting fountain pens with their distinct character and solid construction. Thank you for a year of excellent content, and Merry Christmas to you and your family.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas to you too!
@liviomasuero3999
@liviomasuero3999 6 ай бұрын
Doug, I really like your channel. I really liked the video. It inspired me to buy a HongDian N12. Although it's not a Pelikan M800, it's an excellent pen. Fantastic. Very comfortable in the hand. The nib is excellent. A great indication. Keep up the great work on the channel.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 6 ай бұрын
Right on!
@kenblair2538
@kenblair2538 8 ай бұрын
Crap, just when I though I had all the fountain pens I needed, I discovered I don't have a Hongidan in my collection. Thanks Doug, for the great review. KB.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, @kenblair2538!
@delkott
@delkott 8 ай бұрын
Very nice and thorough review, as always, Doug! Thanks a lot. I wish Hongdian would add the Medium nib size an option on these beautiful pens. I also agree with you on the ink window matter. Thanks again, and please keep up the excellent reviews.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, @delkott!
@crouserm
@crouserm 8 ай бұрын
Super review as always. I happen (unusually) to be carrying my m805 with me today, for the joy of it, and do agree with your assessment of the feel of the celluloid vs. the acrylic/plastic. I could see getting the N12 (or its successor with an ink window) for the balance, looks, and nib. Thanks, and Merry Christmas!
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. The $30, the N12 is a nice pen and the nib was a pleasant surprise.
@bradbeth63
@bradbeth63 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Doug. I’m with you on the Pelican 800. I have 3 and they are the best pens I own. Merry Christmas!!!🎄✒️
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 7 ай бұрын
Happy holidays!
@oscarmedina1597
@oscarmedina1597 7 ай бұрын
The N12 seems to be a very nice pen. I’m going to have to look at it. Merry Christmas, Doug!
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 7 ай бұрын
Thanks, you too!
@georgeparapadakis
@georgeparapadakis 8 ай бұрын
Interesting that you decided to compare with the m800. To me (cap excluded) the design looks more like a Duofold Centennial but with a piston.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
The Jinhao 100 is a Duofold Centennial. It is a different size/shape than the N12 which, I think, closely resembles the M800.
@StephenBlake
@StephenBlake 8 ай бұрын
Fantastic review as always, Doug. Slightly off topic, but since you mentioned it in your comparison, my 197x Montblanc 149 beats any of my Pelikans I own (m600s, m800s, or my m1000) for sheer joy of writing experience. Slightly stubbish, wet, smooth but with just a tiny bit of feedback. And this pains me to say as a Pelikan lover.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! It is good to hear that some more vintage MB149 pens are actually as spectacular as the hype. I've experienced three relatively new MG149 that are nice pens but not worth the $1000 price tag.
@River-Moon
@River-Moon 7 ай бұрын
Great review as always! Check out the Hongdian/Asvine P50 if you haven't already, it's my favorite of theirs so far. I have 2, one looks like a blue cloudy sky, the other is blue and yellow and reminds me of Van Gogh. They do have ink windows and write beautifully
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 7 ай бұрын
Thanks. I've already reviewed the P50. It is a very nice pen!
@jamesmiddleton2856
@jamesmiddleton2856 8 ай бұрын
It's just a black pen but it's the one I reach for, my Pelikan M1000.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Lucky!
@jamesmiddleton2856
@jamesmiddleton2856 8 ай бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds M800, M1000, Namiki Emperor, Magna Carta Mag 600, Platinum Preppy. Hopefully, each person finds the pen that satisfies them. I do feel lucky. It took years.
@afongen
@afongen 8 ай бұрын
Lovely review. I will have to pick one of these up if only to try the nib. I've not been disappointed by Hongdian so far, and I'm very curious about these newer nibs. I adore Pelikans without being able to put my finger on why, probably some ineffable gestalt quality; it's the overall writing experience. The feel of the material is certainly part of it.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
I agree completely. I think the main reason the M800 is the best pen in m collection is how I am able to write with it. My handwriting gets instantly better when I hold the M800. Is it a combination of the balance and ergonomics with how the nib creates a line? I don't know but I love it.
@blaiseutube
@blaiseutube 6 ай бұрын
I have regretted selling my m800s . I'm glad I still have 2 left. That said, the old style m600 (18k nib) is the pen I would grab if the house was on fire.
@santiagomerinoacevedo7475
@santiagomerinoacevedo7475 7 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for this great comparison. I think any Pelikan model is outstanding. And they are so well done fountain pens and their materials are so good that you get a vintage pen and it gets on being a wonderful writer with no issues at all. Happy new year.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, @santiagomerinoacevedo7475!
@sushanart
@sushanart 7 ай бұрын
Unless I win the lottery I will never afford a new Pelikan...sadly. I saw a review of a vintage Pelikan 140(?) and fell in love with it. Maybe I will find myself a vintage Pelikan some day. Until that day I will gladly investigate options like this pen. Happy New Year to you and yours from Sweden! 😇🩵🙏🙌🇸🇪
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 7 ай бұрын
Keep watching eBay for a used Pelikan in your range. Happy New Year! And congrats on beating Canada in the IIHF Juniors!
@MrCabimero
@MrCabimero 8 ай бұрын
The Pelikan M800 is your best pen...... coming from you and knowing how many pens you have and your technical expertise, that says a lot . You have piqued my interest. Merry Christmas to you and your family! Thank you for all you do for us.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Merry Christmas!
@johnsomers8269
@johnsomers8269 8 ай бұрын
You are right, ain't nothing like a,Pelikan! My two are highly treasured!
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
And I only have ONE!
@DonFranko68
@DonFranko68 6 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for the excellent video. I value your expertise and experience. The Pelikan M 800 is a classic that won't lose its value anytime soon. If you want to buy such a fountain pen, don't look for such Chinese products, but that shouldn't sound derogatory towards Hongdian. Ultimately, the writing feeling and writing behavior determine how good a fountain pen is. What I personally find regrettable is the fact that Pelikan is now owned by an investor from Malaysia.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! We'll just have to wait and see what changes with Pelikan.
@Kumudha73
@Kumudha73 7 ай бұрын
Dear Sir, Thank you for all the in depth fountain pen reviews. Can the N12 takes a JoWo nib? Thank you and Happy New Year !!!
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 7 ай бұрын
It should! HNY!
@KarlAdamsAudio
@KarlAdamsAudio 8 ай бұрын
My Pelikan M815 Metal Striped is my reference for the nicest feeling cap threads - there's something intoxicating about just uncapping that pen, and I can't quite say what it is. Thankfully the writing experience is excellent, 'twould be a disappointment otherwise.
@CruzRCB
@CruzRCB 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comparison, i have one question, for my self gift this Christmas, what do you think is better, the asvine p20 or this Hongdian N12? Thanks a lot for yours videos, i really enjoy it
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
I like the P20 better!
@user-lw8ku1cr9e
@user-lw8ku1cr9e 5 ай бұрын
I still use my Hongdian 1841. Wonderful pen!
@timothywise9731
@timothywise9731 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for showing us all how you fill this pen with ink!!!
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 6 ай бұрын
You are so welcome!
@peponas87
@peponas87 4 ай бұрын
Great review (as always!). Nice pen both of them, pelikan is still a grail pen for me. I just bought the N12 in blue (supposed to) but I received a teal one, which the chinese says it's blue (S23102809-BU-EF). I think your pen has a different SKU number, because it's actually marble blue (nicer to my eyes)
@wilberfloss832
@wilberfloss832 7 ай бұрын
All the best for the Season and New Year Doug. This is another pen I'll have to investigate 🙃
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, @wilberfloss832!
@sandy1508
@sandy1508 7 ай бұрын
So true about Hongdian. They just stand out in terms of performance amongst the Chinese makes. The N12 is the same. Beautiful pen and a stunning writer.
@markli7372
@markli7372 2 ай бұрын
I love to watch this video and knowing people likes this pen! thank you! I uesed to only bought pen which brand from US or EU,and my best favorate pen is also pelikan m800,it is make me feel it is so valueble when I holding it ....but I realized some westren people they also like jinhao and hongdian,those Chinese brands,so I have try some (it is fuuny ,because I am a Chinase),and I must say,hongdian is really well quality in chinese brands,but still need to improve alot,forexample the nib,now the nibs of hongdian are very good to writing .but need more detaling work,and it still lack of very well golder nibs,I hope hongdina will make more improvment in the next,and thanks for sharing!
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing, @markli7372!
@Javi_C
@Javi_C 8 ай бұрын
As always thanks for sharing Doug!
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
My pleasure
@mariatriesart8389
@mariatriesart8389 8 ай бұрын
Where did you find the shelf for the inkvent inks??? Also what tool do you use to get the nibs & feeds out of the collars and where do I buy it?
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
The Inkvent shelf is a 3d printed model. I'm making a version of it as an Ink Buddy. The tools I used for the Sheaffer were from pentooling.com. I didn't use any tools to remove the nib from the section of the Triumph. Just heat and soak repeatedly for a couple of days.
@killiansred100
@killiansred100 7 ай бұрын
Biggest gripe with most of the Chinese pens is nibs are generally fine or extra fine, which isn’t for me
@aag24
@aag24 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for yet another excellent review. Merry Christmas to you and your family sir.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Happy holidays!
@loracharis6814
@loracharis6814 7 ай бұрын
Nice review. Looking at the pics there seems to be some translucency on the Hongdian, some colors more than the others. Maybe just enough to get an idea how much ink is in the pen. Is there any translucency on the blue?
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 7 ай бұрын
No. It is opaque.
@13noman1
@13noman1 8 ай бұрын
Whew! What a relief! I was a tad worried that the M800 would come out as "maybe not worth the cost differential". My M800 is probably the most liked pen in my collection (helped by superb nib tweaking by Mike Masuyama) followed by the M600 (carry). Still, I like HongDian pens so might have to treat myself after Christmas. Best of the holidays to you and yours, Doug.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas!
@user-br3sl9go3b
@user-br3sl9go3b 7 ай бұрын
You were fretting that Doug might conclude the M800 was "maybe not worth the cost differential" Without the superb nib tweaking like yours, an M800 blue stripe just sold second-hand but unused on eBay for US$336. I was severely tempted but painfully chose not to bid. US$250 to US$275 is my limit for this, which is my grail pen. Under no circumstances is the Pelikan M800 and M805 fairly priced at US$650. That is not saying it isn't "worth" it. Of course, it is worth what someone is willing to pay. Andy Warhol's iconic stencil painting of Marilyn Monroe's face sold in May 2023 for US$198 MILLION. It's artistic value is dubious for, at best, US$1000. But this is just me whining because I don't want to pay the going price for the M800 and very likely will never write with one. Objects tagged with trendy, artifical luxury-prices lose their appeal.
@carlswanson808
@carlswanson808 8 ай бұрын
I am floored by my three N12s (couldn't help myself). I would love to see Hongdian do an N12 in a solid resin, through. Maybe in the 1841 colors.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
That would be cool!
@ichirofakename
@ichirofakename 7 ай бұрын
Now I have to go watch your M800 review. Again.
@teresaharris-travelbybooks5564
@teresaharris-travelbybooks5564 8 ай бұрын
You gave the Hongdian a hard row to plough, by comparing it to the M800. I got an M800 during the Fountain Pen Day sales and it is a pleasure, both to look at and to use. I would prefer the N12 to have the blue resin throughout. I appreciate the nod to Hogwarts, being that I am a fan.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
I think the black section and black piston knob are nods to Pelikan. Thanks, Teresa.
@jls3220
@jls3220 8 ай бұрын
Seasons Greetings to you and your family. Where can I get that nice stand for the Diamine Inkvent bottles? It’s great. Thank you for all you do. 🎅🏻🍾
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
I’m working on a 3D printed model of this for “Ink Buddy”
@jls3220
@jls3220 8 ай бұрын
Estimated time to completion?
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
@@jls3220January maybe.
@archivist17
@archivist17 8 ай бұрын
I love my HongDians. The 5010 is just incredibly smooth.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
They have SO man models!
@archivist17
@archivist17 8 ай бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds I just hope they're not overstretching themselves or oversaturating the market.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
@@archivist17I think they are a much larger operation than anything like Penbbs.
@eno88
@eno88 8 ай бұрын
Hmmm.. I was about to buy the Majohn M600s but this Hongdian got me thinking...
@wolf_ceit_witch
@wolf_ceit_witch 8 ай бұрын
I might have to get that one!
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
It is a very nice pen for $30 with a surprising nib.
@wolf_ceit_witch
@wolf_ceit_witch 8 ай бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds And I just purchased it in Green LOL
@cgg3169
@cgg3169 7 ай бұрын
Fantastic day Doug, ive ordered a fountain pen from Jinhao called the '650'. It has not arrived yet and im quite excited for it, i'd also love to hear your input on the pen as it is concerningly good looking for the price that it has.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 7 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoy it!
@flaviojunior4218
@flaviojunior4218 8 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas, sir!
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Happy holidays!
@MrGigaflare
@MrGigaflare 6 ай бұрын
Which pen do you prefer between the N12 and the P20? I want to get something nice but not expensive for use at work (I'm a teacher) for stuff like signing documents, grading papers/tests. I like the way the P20 in your review writes with the long knife nib, but the stock nib in the N12 looks wonderful too.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 6 ай бұрын
The P20 has a nicer feel in the hand for me and the acyrlics are much more chatoyant.
@LChaderton
@LChaderton 28 күн бұрын
Do you have any guesses as to nib swapping to an M or specialised grind (say a Bobby nib)? Do you think it's friction fit or a screw-in housing? I've scoured FPN and Reddit and the various sales platforms, but no one seems to have reviewed this pen in as much detail as you! Thank you for your time!
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 28 күн бұрын
The nib is friction fit inside the nib collar which unscrews for replacing with other Hongdian nibs in Hongdian nib collars. If you wish to swap in another #6 nib, you'll have to pull the Hongdian nib from the collar and use the Hongdian feed and collar with the new nib.
@markmolnar4319
@markmolnar4319 6 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 6 ай бұрын
You're welcome!
@Enysum
@Enysum 6 ай бұрын
I imagine the answer is 'no' but i simply MUST ask - are the feed and nib combined in the N12 and able to be swapped with a Pelikan's whole nib unit? I have a pipe dream of being able to put cheaper Pelikan nib units (like their M200) in other pens. Hard to justify a flock as it were on my budget but a 50$ pen+nib is a lot more doable for a Pelikan-like experience. While it technically works in the Skrikks 419 it caused a consistent seeping of the ink out of the nib that made it not worth it for me, it was so messy. Might give this pen a try either way...
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 6 ай бұрын
You guessed the answer - no.
@santauxia
@santauxia 8 ай бұрын
Nice pen, nice video comparison.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Thanks! Merry Christmas!
@user-br3sl9go3b
@user-br3sl9go3b 8 ай бұрын
I can't tell you how much I enjoy your reviews each and every Saturday. (I enjoy Resurrection Sunday, too, because you make them so entertaining to watch. I have no interest in them.) If I could buy a ridiculously price-gouging new Pelikan M800 for US$250, I would. (Maybe US$275 tops.) On the other hand, if I could buy a new Hongidan N12 for US$3 or US $5, I might. If I live long enough, the bottom will fall out of these tulip-priced fountain pens, and I will buy to my heart's content. Until then. ... Nah.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
LOL
@zoznammic
@zoznammic 5 ай бұрын
I am currently torn between the HongDian N12 and Moonman M800. I have 2 HongDians and both are excellent, do not have any Moonmans (Majohns) so I am struggling a little to pick. Which one would you choose nib-wise? Thanks.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 5 ай бұрын
The Hongdian nibs are better than the Moonman nibs. But I prefer the Majohn M800 to the HD N12. I put different nibs into my M800s.
@zoznammic
@zoznammic 5 ай бұрын
@@InkquiringMindsI will think about it. Thanks.
@bkbk1184
@bkbk1184 7 ай бұрын
How would you compare the Hongdian with the Asvine P20?
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 7 ай бұрын
I like the P20 much better. It is on my Top Pens of 2023 list.
@bkbk1184
@bkbk1184 7 ай бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds Thank you!
@Sallysaurus
@Sallysaurus 8 ай бұрын
There's always a moment of confusion when you mention that other Sally's store that you buy so many pens from.
@markmolnar4319
@markmolnar4319 6 ай бұрын
I have just received my copy of the HD12 pen. Looks good, writes well (EF nib), but the piston does not fill the pen. Do I have to unscrew the nib unit to fill it properly? Or remove the piston? (Needless to say, no wrench is supplied with thhe pen.) This sounds awkward. Please advise. Thank you.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 6 ай бұрын
With the section submerged in ink, turn the piston all the way down. Then turn the nib up, tap the pen lightly to get the remaining air to the top, put the nib back into the ink and repeat. That should work.
@chazmena
@chazmena 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, man.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
No problem!
@octoberfox3399
@octoberfox3399 7 ай бұрын
I have to ask at the start of your video, what is that beautiful blue ink?
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 7 ай бұрын
It is J Herbin Kyanite du Nepal.
@octoberfox3399
@octoberfox3399 7 ай бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds Oh wow! Well I know what Ink I'm going to get next. XD It looks just beautiful between your writing and that color I'm sold. Thank you so much for letting me know and I hope you have a Happy NewYear!
@user-bm6dn9he8j
@user-bm6dn9he8j 2 ай бұрын
which is your best Hondian N12 or Hongdian N1S?
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 2 ай бұрын
N12
@user-bm6dn9he8j
@user-bm6dn9he8j Ай бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds And which nib is longer?
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds Ай бұрын
@@user-bm6dn9he8j They are both #6 size nibs.
@ElectricUnicycles
@ElectricUnicycles 8 ай бұрын
FYI, you've got an extra "i" in your video title
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for that catch! It is just one space off.
@mariatriesart8389
@mariatriesart8389 8 ай бұрын
How does the Delta dv2 premium write? Smooth? With, without feedback?
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
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@jasoncharalambides387
@jasoncharalambides387 8 ай бұрын
No matter how well it may perform, you see it next to the Pelikan and you see a legend and then you see the Hongdian again and you see a legend wannabe. Even the design is just not quite there yet. You see that it is not quite mature to be released as a design. I have one Hongdian and that is the Blak Forest which is a copy of Otto Hutt Black Forest. I did not know it was a copy and if I knew I would not buy it. It is definitely worth the $15 as an end result, but it is also a matter of ethics when you buy a product that is a stolen design.
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
The design isn't stolen. But thanks for sharing.
@jasoncharalambides387
@jasoncharalambides387 8 ай бұрын
How is it not stolen? I look at my Hongdian Black Forest and the Otto Hutt Black Forest and other than the emblem on top they look identical. What more do you need to call it a stolen design? I understand the concept of being "inspired" by the work of another designer, but when the end product looks identical I can't find a better word than calling it for what it is.@@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds
@InkquiringMinds 8 ай бұрын
@@jasoncharalambides387I was talking about the N12 not being a design stolen from Pelikan. The HD BF vs Otto Hutt 04 issue is debatable as evidenced by the discussion on reddit www.reddit.com/r/fountainpens/comments/108d8jl/are_the_hongdian_black_forest_pens_ripoffs_of/ I'd say it is as close a copy as you can get - similar to the Moonman M800 vs the Leonardo Momento Zero. I've never used a HD Black Forest or an Otto Hutt 04.
@jasoncharalambides387
@jasoncharalambides387 7 ай бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds I did buy a HD Black Forest and it was later that I realized that it looked identical to a pen I did not even know of its existence. I think that it is clear that this is the case I was referring as stolen design. Again, being inspired by someone's work is one thing but copying and selling is another. Where do we draw the line? That's a difficult one. It is a thick fuzzy zone to cross, not a thin crisp black line on white paper. I remember the comment that was once made for a similar situation. It is like pornography. Where do you draw the line? The truth is that when you see it, you know what you see and which side of that line it is. Have a Merry Christmas Doug!
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