It's not rubbish, and it's not not-rubbish. It's basically nothing.

I see this as a way of telling people not to play Emperor's Children until it is its own army.

Emporer children codex: where is Eidolon where is he? GW: who?

im sorry. i wished for an army with a lot of noise marines. i should have known that monkeys paw was cursed.

I really hope they do Emperor's Children right when they release officially

They said in the preview it was pretty much going to be a datasheet for Lucius and Noise Marines? I think everyone fooled themselves into thinking it was going to be more.

Best index in 10th 10/10 made me cry

It will come with two detachments. 1. Fast 2. Loud

They took my sonic helbrute, didnt even give him legends rules, and now that my rules are here, he's still missing. They really must hate me.

And now we wait another year or two for a codex and a handful of new EC minis.

They looked at GSC Brood Brothers and went "do this but in reverse. I want the entire army to have less flexibility, not the added units." or in other words "Do this but more shit."

Just FYI, you still can't take Abaddon with emperor's children as him and Lucius both have to be your warlord. Kinda interestingly though, you can take Vashtorr.

This feels like the worst of all worlds. As much as I want Emperor’s children to be treated the same as the other god specific legions it seems like they should be a start of edition release so that the base chaos codex can come out after and you don’t relegate a faction to detachmentless index. Chaos marines always needs to be an early index due to popularity but this solution just seems awkward.

Honestly it looks fine to me, especially since we can use the CSM detachments. I rather like the idea of Noisies taking -1 to wound at range while dancing about while melee Legionaries with Lucius and two heavy melee weapons go barreling in.

I would argue it is very much not what advertised. They said they would be issuing an "index", not 2 data sheets. An index has been established to contain faction rules and detachment information.

Man I was looking forward to having some unique rules and possibly even some model rule changes...my pain is immeasurable and it's not pleasurable

GW: Okay, so it's not ready yet, but- Us: WE WANT EC! GW: ... Fine, have this half-baked cake and shaddup, do you have any idea how long it took for World Eaters to be a real army? Now excuse me, I gotta go back to locking unit options and raising prices...

I've always loved the aesthetic of emperor's children, and there's a shop on etsy with a decent range of stylized, although somewhat nsfw, e.c. units and chaos prince. Very much looking forward to making an army of them whether they're good or not on the table :D

I don't know what we were expecting, I don't even know what I was expecting tbh. Considering what they did to World Eaters while they were stuck in the awkward limbo between their Codex and the release of the CSM Codex in 9th. But I know I wasnt expecting this.

For a MILLISECOND there I reascended to Chaos.

This is clearly a placeholder that had to be published because of how the CSM codex was done. Relax everybody. In all honesty, the ability to include any CSM unit within a god-specific chaos army already makes it so that EC has the biggest range available. 😅

Noise Marines would be a ripping addition to Chaos Knight armies.

Fanbase: so emperor's children have two units.... GW: Genestealer cults big brain boy Fanbase: Luscious canonically doesn't want to be a warlord... GW: Cannoness but flying Fanbase: Lord Eidolon...Julius kaesoron...Pleasure cults... GW: Female custodes

The sonic dreadnought could be the amp for your rock band army

My excitement is indescribable, largely because it doesn't exist. At least now when I use Lucius I have an excuse for why I've got the Mark of Slaanesh on a Vindicator.

i love you auspex 0:02 seconds the new emperors children are out and there aweful, brutal OMEGALUL.

They justified paying someone to make this lol this is just a giant, why bother at this point…

It will be overpriced and underwhelming

I think that James Workshop wants to compete with Two Page Rules, and this is the first of several Two Page Indexes

GW via various WarCom articles: "hey, this is pretty much what the index will be" GW releases exactly what they said they would. 40k community: "WTF, where's the rest of it?!?!"

Ranged noise marines would be good with renegade raiders for the extra -1AP. Melee ones are simply outclassed by legionaries

For all the people complaining, can you not just settle down for a minute and think? Any problems here can pretty easily be addressed by the development team in the next FAQ by further nerfing AdMech. Sheesh.

I feel like since they can take a detachment from CSM they would actually be pretty good in Dread Talons for the shooting to proc Battleshock

Genuinely been waiting for this for years, and I am fairly disappointed over the fact that they couldn't even be bothered to make an Army rule or a special detachment for them.

I really do hope to see them at the end of the year or start of the new year. I bought the new Chaos battleforce box and intend to paint them in EC scheme. It will be most glorious!

I mean it's exactly what they described no less and certainly no more.

I really hope we get an Eidolon type Chaos Lord with a Sonic Scream

well it is basically just the Zealot detachment run as Slaanesh with Noise Marines

Dude when do you sleep? 😂 love the content!!

Started collecting Emperors Children in 2022. I've spent at least 500 for just the Noise Marines (I have 25 total with 10 being the forgeworld models) I will be kinda bummed if all new models come out, but I'm still excited for the New Codex.

Id use this as allies for my Slaanesh Deamons. That forcing battleshock on the noise marines is REALLY nice

I’m very new to the game of war hammer and am interested in an Ultramarine army but all the ones I find are out of date and have too many points, I was wondering if you have advice for new lists

Ngl since I've been playing chaos I've been playing them as a mono slaanesh Mark anyway, and if Lucuis is cheap then I'd love battleline noise marines

I wonder if the noise marines will be the basic troops when they get their own codex or if they are a more elite unit. I think in the lore they are a bit rarer. Not that it really matters now there isn't a force org chart.

Noise Marines at least (still) seem to be good support for the Dread Talons detachment. Triggering Battle Shock in the shooting phase is ideal for their damage output. Of course triggering it in the enemies turn will always be best

you think a demon fulgrim model will come too when the codex comes out for emperors childeren. because i still find them lacking with unit variation

Noise marines seem like a good combo for the Night Lords detachment. Shoot, cause leadership test, minus 1 because you have a unit nearby, then cause another check during the charge phase if they didnt already fail.

Certainly not bloated. On top of that every Emperor's Childen army has now it's own Lucius the eternal 😅

EC's own codex coming seems even more likely now!!! YES!!! Now, time to prep to collect a lot of chaos minis without giving GW a penny. It can be done!

I just started a death guard army, god damn it. I was not thinking emperors children would come at some point

Hope the EC codex is good. I’m planning a loyalist ec army using HH models but I’d like to field them as traitors every once and a while just for the fun of it, swapping out some units for some sick ass noise marines

I dont think this can even be classed as an index at this point - its just CSM split into more files to deal with

Quite eager for an EC codex to pair them with my slaanesh demons.

Wouldn't it be cool if when 10th ends and 11th starts GW rereleased all codexes? Like an edition omnibus for each army that didn't require pages of updates and nerfs. I know I'm just a dreamer and all that jazz

I'm new to warhammer and I was hoping gamers workshop would make a codex and combat patrol for the salamanders

As a Crusade player them forcing a named character is wild to me.

I'm honestly suprised they made an Aangron/Mortarion/Magnus scale daemon primarch model, and it was for 30k instead of 40k...

I hope they nail the codex. I can definitely see them becoming popular like the other 3 main chaos armies. I think theyre cool tll but if they fuck it up Emperors Children could be DOA

I wonder what the official one will be like, the EC were renowned for being masters of all kinds of warfare so I think at least they would get reroll 1s to hit and wound. Maybe give them bonuses to character dueling especially?

Cant wait to see a new fulgrim model

I'm over here with a seedling "EC" army, no Lucius model yet, and one Noise Marine model. Guess I'm just running CSM for a bit then.

Ok I need to get my Mono-God CSM video done. Anyone know where 40K Lucius can be bought?

6:45 You can't bring both Abaddon and Lucius if both must be your warlord, right?

Has GW mentioned when the new CSM points will drop?

This is basically what I expected based on the original post. Doesn't mean I'm not salty that it's absolutely not for people new to the faction. They couldn't even be bothered to put 40k Lucius back into production lmao

Literally all I was hoping for when our index got announced was unique detachment rule. Thats it. I wasnt expecting new models or rules. And yet, I am disappointed anyways. My EC are staying on the shelf until the full release

This datasheets are yet another perfect example as to how painfully stupid and objectively worst both for new and old players the "Power Level" of 10th is. There is literally no reason why ANYONE should ever take the bolter as a weapon for a noise marine when the sonic blaster is a flat upgrade over it. There is literally no reason for the champion to ever pick the chainsword, and barely any for them to pick the accursed weapon over the fist. The only thing that free wargear garbage is doing is creating traps for new players, and reducing army building options for experience players by making every "options" worthless. If only we could... yaknow, put a point price on wargear that represent an upgrade compared to the base loadout (like say, having the sonic blaster cost a tiny bit more than bolters, of have powerfist cost more than accursed weapon which in turn would cost more than the chainsword.... This is bad on every level and it was done to supposedly "help to streamline the army creation process", because apparently doing first grade elementary school math was such a massive hurdle that it stopped people from playing the game. Not having to pay thousands for plastic sprues. Not having to spend hours to build and paint minies. Not having to pay hundred for rules. Not having to learn the somewhat complicated rules for the game; No, the real problem here was to add the cost of all the minies in your unit and the cost of their wargears to find out the complete price of the unit. THAT was the biggest barrier to entry of this game. It also negatively impact the game as it forces you to run a maxes out loadout, often with as many special weapons as possible, which means that many different weapon profiles, which in turn makes every attack roll take that much longer and grind the game to crawl.

I had to check what the WE index looked like when that dropped and damn they did EC dirty. No own army rule, No legion trait/detetchment rule, No relics and No warlord traits or stratagems. GW really went out of their way to not put any effort into this one.

Players will get the honor of purchasing the official codex at full-price a month or so before the end of 10th.

It was very misleading for them to say they'd be releasing an Emperor's Children index, that implied an army/detachment rule, stratagems & enhancements in order to play an Emperor's Children army. What they should have said was Lucius and Noise Marines won't be going Legends, you can still use their CSM index datasheets in matched play but they won't be getting any changes.

Its a long shot i know, But im really hoping for A new bike release, with mf'n DOOM RIDER to lead them, possibly as an alternate sculpt for a captain or psyker on bike.

I know they said this is all they were going to do. I wasn't even hyped (Nurgle and Khorne are my babies), and i was still underwhelmed. This just feels like they took a sledgehammer to both mini's knee caps for the next 2 years

So, I’m expected a half-assed codex with: Noise marines Terminators Lord mounted on seeker Fulgrim Fiend Marines Then everything else forgotten

I'd love to see Slaanesh Cult Terminators again, and some of the units in HH getting updated for 40k (I mean, the Kakophoni are already Noise Marines) such as Palatine Blades, or units with the Phoenix Spears... but I daresay that's not gonna happen :(

Emperors Children codex is just going to be 3 models. And 1 of them is going to be an old CSM model.

As a Custodes player, this negativity makes me feel better. Custodes and Emperors Children players can all suffer together, welcome to the club!

Emperor's Childrens for 11th edition!

What’s the bets a load of people will head out to buy the old Lucius mini only for them to release a new one along with their Codex unveil? Good stock shifter I guess.

I dono man, emps children battle shock detachment might be cool (ish)

Shadowrun has done cross version expansions with say, 4th and 5th edition rules, they could do that, but they wont, it makes less money

It feels like all the armies are loosing power and it's a push for more battle line infantry

Fulgrim’s real beef with other primarchs would be Ferrus, Perty, and G-man/Dorn I guess? Not really looking like a loyal rival will come back

Well, heres hoping the full army is a full line with different units. The do not deserve to be relegated to two units.

Dear 10th Edition, can you please stop being a disappointment FOR FIVE MINUTES!

Love the title

Honestly with the lack of effort in this and Lucius not even being purchasable, I wouldn’t be surprised if we EC players are rewarded with squatting at the end of this.

I vote two let them us the chaos detachments til there book is out but all of they stuff must hav mark of slanesh wit do u guys think 🤔

is it truly certain we get a new lucius? we havent got a new karn havent we?

I can't help but think that GW are doing this backwards. Wouldn't it make more sense to remove Lucius and Noise Marines from the CSM Index. Then release an Emperor's Children codex, with the CSM codex being released later down the line.

They could also be splitting chaos demons up with the 4 mono god cults

It makes sense they are not in the codex, because they'll have their own codex

10 edition has been great for OPR

In general, Lucius is pretty fun to play, whereas Noise Marines currently aren't. Legionaries unfortunately do better than them in melee, particularly if you pair Lucius with a Master of Execution for a truly mad amount of Precision that also has Fights First, which is a very nasty shock for enemy units with melee buff characters. In shooting... the Legionaries still tend to do better because they get two heavy weapons, unless you run the Noise Marines 5-strong to get more Blastmasters (here's hoping that still works!) Unfortunately the Blastmaster is a bit meh, like a better Missile Launcher, and the sonic blasters only really have weight of fire going for them.

Woow gw really coming out with emperor's children codex before Lov index has more units added to it

Noise Marine Kill Team when?

Im actually surprised it isnt as restricted as it is. I was under the impression you wouldnt be able to bring anything BUT Slaanesh yet having a few Undivided units could help us with shooting. Plus i can run Fabius Bile in with his old legion

Custodes treatement?

Tbh noise marines looking good for dread talons 🤔

Yay yet another rule set for a power armor faction I am so excited

This is a Band-aid... it was always going to be a band-aid. as far as band-aids goes, this is a fine band-aid.