But, y'know, it's not just the source of the music file, it's also the $5,000 needle, $10,000 cables and solid gold plynth in the middle of an underground chamber that really make those $10 records shine.

They basically recorded with their flip phones and then made records from the .wav files.

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Digital sniffing bloodhounds 🤣🤣🤣 imagine spending 50k plus on your analogue system and finding out you've been listening to digital all this time 😱🤔😯

I'm actually having a ball with all this. Let's just hope that the whole audiophile snobbery will settle down a little.

Robert, great commentary!! We just had the largest double blind test that lasted almost 15 years and not one audiophile past the test. From this point on, I don’t want to hear if a reissue is from an analog source or a digital source. It’s moot! No one can tell!! Have a great weekend!! Cheers, Jon

The fact is your point is even magnified if MOFI is doing this on lower res. It is crazy that the difference was not obviously detectable. We need more videos. This is still a hot topic. Great video

Looks like Mofi Gate chapter two, I'm glad the soap opera continues, last week was the best one in the VC. Well, has been great for regular collectors, not for the uptight audiophiles or for the anal logs.

I’ve been sitting back, watching these videos, and laughing. All of these “audiophiles” who think they know the entire process, duped and taken as chumps. It’s pathetic. MoFi should be ashamed, but these know it all audiophiles really are fools.

My first like here! Robert, I have my own channel, but my audience is Russian-speaking. Surprisingly no one was aware about MoFi Gate across the ocean, and I watched all possible videos regarding the MoFi Gate on youtube. Despite the issue itself I found quite interesting your "less bullshit" video because this is exactly how I feel! I've made my own video about the controversy because there is a huge MoFi fan base in exUSSR countries and I beleive ppl who invested their trust and money should know what is going on. Thanks for your input!!!

DSD is a 1 bit system that has a high pitch noise usually above 30KHz, so going above DSD64 is moving the noise forward, so it's easier to filter out. Sound quality of DSD64 is practically the same as any DSD above that number

‘MoFi Record sourced from an old 8-Track tape’ on my Bingo card !

Brilliant again Robert I love great sounding records. Audiophiles need to give original pressings a chance & labels like MOV who in general master great sounding digital records of classic albums. Need to see humility amongst the audiophiles now. Who cares about the source now. What are audiophiles chasing. Audiophiles please respect all sources. Trust your ears from now on ,you have already been fooled. Just relax none of it matters anymore 😉👍😎

Most people can’t tell the difference between 320kbps and FLAC so I’m sure this will make a huge difference…

It's awful when you get caught with your pants down. Love your channel and your sense of humor.

Used to watch you a year ago or so. Really enjoyed your glee at the snooty analog guys with digital egg all over their faces.

spoke to a close buddy and he mentioned that sony music does not allow anyone access to their analog masters. if they did, then all the audiophile/reissue labels will be walking into their mad ave offices one by one to cut lacquers, create dsd images and so on and that will risk wear and damage to their precious tapes. i suspect all labels mofi included are given dsd files (some 64 some 256) that were created by sony themselves since they started reissuing LPs on the MOV label

This is probably why MoFi didn't want to disclose this. Someone's gonna think DSD256 should be 4x better (what ever "better" means) than DSD64. "Better" is a nebulous, difficult-to-measure quantity.

Thanx for the kind words. Those two Miles One Steps are not out yet. At least we know ahead of time. Ill still buy

I'm glad that it finally happened and that all the super vinylists took it in their ears!!!😀😀😀😀😀

Today I searched through my Lp collection, about as big as I can see in your video here, and pulled out every audiophile reissue Lp. I have two Original Master Recording and one is Al Stewart, Year Of The Cat from 1978. It is pressed in Japan and Stan Ricker did the half speed master lacquers at JVC. Very special indeed but my friend back then, who had the ordinary Lp, couldn't hear any difference 🤨. The other one is Alison Krauss & Union Station, So Long So Wrong from 2004. Info back of the sleeve says "Ultra Analog Gain 2", "Mastered from original master tapes", "Half speed production". A very fine record that also have a sound quality of highest standard. My two best sounding vinyl records are something complete different! That is: 1. The Direct To Disc Sound Of The Glen Miller Orchestra. Incredible dynamics! 2. Digital Master/Direct Cut, S 001- 819 Gylling/Sony. A recording made 1979 to compare digital PCM from Sony PCM-1 tape recorder with VO-2630/U-Matic, to a direct to disc recording. One Lp side digital master and the other side direct cut. Everything else in the studio was exactly the same regarding the position of the jazzrock group Kornet and the microphones etc. So, best sound, 16 bit PCM or direct cut to laquer and pressed to vinyl 45 rpm? This is interesting regarding the recent analog vs digital debate, both recordings, side A and B sounds fantastic. As I said, this is one of the two best sounding records I own! My favourite reissue record company nowadays? Music On Vinyl (MoV)!

Good video. DSD 256 is archive level, as Sony intended for DSD when it was created. Most of the mics used for rock, Sinatra, Doors, rolled off at 14khz. Orchestral mics for Decca in 60s had higher roll offs to capture more of the dynamic range, especially in the classic Wagner/Solti Ring cycle. Even they were tested to destruction with the Wagner brass. MFSL would never get the license to sell DSD 256 - you'd have the master in your hands. End of the money tree. Vinyl is great for art work- but its a lossy, pink noise sauced (that's the 'smoothness') bass RIAA thickner added by a pre-amp after being freeze dried 'thin' in the laquering, medium. It's the flaws of the medium that allows vinyl snobbery, shilling and people saying you need a 50k rig to 'really hear it' - ie to overcome its 'pink noise' floor. The fact that the Miles MFSL seem to be MasterTape - DSD 64 - Vinyl - and were praised as 'only an analog chain can give you this' when they were released....shows "The Vinyl of Oz revealed....."

Glad someone finally called out all the bs 😂 , my husband and I are loving your videos 👍

Thank you. And you're right... it is fun to sit back and watch the brew ha ha. I'm sure there is a difference, but my ears can't pick it up either.

This MoFi madness must end. It has even entered my dreams. The other night I had a dream in which MoFi went kaput because of the scandal. Some of the people that worked for MoFi then started a new company called T Records. Their slogan was, "We put the T in quality." Why do I dream of such stupid crap? Why can't I have a dream where I can fly? I have never had a dream where I can fly. Apparently, life and dream life aren't fair.

I’ve appreciated your take on this from day one. Enjoyed the “Guncle” forum as well. I don’t have a proverbial dog in this fight, as I don’t own any Mofi pressings, but as a musician (who has been recording since the mid 90s), I’ve always been annoyed by purists who dismiss digital as inherently less than analog. It certainly can be true, but I do believe the opposite can likewise be true depending on the album in question. I think Mofi’s late response was less than great, so I have some sympathy for those buyers, especially with how they’ve handled it, but I do believe the overall response in the VC has been a bit of overblown? Maybe I’m wrong. All the same. I appreciate your point of view, as it was one of the few that felt rational. Best.

It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled.

The beginning of the end

I always thought that they were just too expensive. I had some old-school ones in my previous collection which sounded fabulous!

Robert may I present once again an unfinished masterpiece.. "Three Step Rock" 🎶Ohh, I gotta an lp with all analogue When it comes to hearing, Im on the ball I listen to my One Step every Saturday night Tell me its diiiiigital and you gotta fight Well its one step, two step, its THREE STEP, what?? 44, 64, and they got caught? Give me 256 and Ill hear it in my gear That digistep cant fool my ears!🎶

Oh yes! Here we go again!

Time for CDs...

I remember someone once told me that the Music on Vinyl releases I have and spoke highly of weren't real analog, but were taken from digital sources, and I was like, oh yeah? They still sound awesome to my ears.

Great posts. Concise and pointed very well said

My comment whenever the discussion goes on too long and too nerdy in any hobby is "I like girls, how 'bout you guys?"

A mathematical improbability that so many Mike's are making audio videos

There were those who said you don't need to look for the old albums because we record from analog master tapes. However, it was not MOFI. Although it can be interpreted that it is what is written on the cover of Mofi's album

I’m such a powerful audiophile not only can I hear digital I can hear what color the vinyl is.

You can hear the difference and many have reacted to it. MoFi`s Miles Davis: Kind of Blue, Janis Joplin: One Step, Bill Evans: Undercurrent, The Sister of Mercy: First and Last and Always, SRV,...

DSD is actually excellent. Even 64 bit .. I think the reason some the early One Steps were 64 dsd was because that was the highest they could do at the time with dsd files. I might be wrong, but I’m thinking that’s the reason.

I never considered myself an audiophile I have always considered myself a music lover. My collection is, with few exceptions, based on whatever the popular media was at the time. Classic rock, blues, jazz is mainly on vinyl, anything from the digital age is generally on CD. I had been considering a few preorders through MOFI on some titles I hadn’t found elsewhere. I think I’ll wait and see what the fallout does to their pricing.

A ‘standard’ DSD file- often referred to as DSD64 is roughly equivalent to a sample rate of 24bit/88.2kHz.

Haha, love it! Great video!

For years ive been Reading and hearing about superiority of all analog mofi vinyls. Well they are not analog anymore but digital. And these hard vinyl audiophiles couldnt tell a difference between pure analog and digital vinyl

What happened to the '4XDSD' of more than 11,000 times higher resolution over CD resolution? I don't get it.

May they had reasons to do that. But this is just crazy. Thanks for the video.

Great video bro

MoFiGate is my new hobby.

Amazing the people given a voice on KZfaq. Did anyone have both file sizes to compare? Nope. Your point therefore is MOOT.

Simple answer to this. MOFI is not doing the transfers. They have to use whatever digital files the record labels give to them, as most labels will no longer loan out the master tapes as they are old and too fragile. Some of the DSD transfers were done a long time ago, that’s why the lower resolution. One of the new Van Halen one steps states they are determining master source…. That’s because they don’t know what was used for the source tape for the DSD transfer because they didn’t do it! Otherwise they should already know the answer!

What many fail to realize or acknowledge is that vinyl is inherently a lossy altered version of the original master and the process of mastering for vinyl is laden with compromises to the audio due to the constraints and limitations of the medium itself. It can still be an enjoyable experience listening and playing vinyl but to hold it to place it on an audiophile pedestal as the closest fidelity to the original master is foolish.

thank you

I really dig your new motto and I hope it get's adopted by the entire VC, "Bring down the bullshit" Peace.

I guess that makes the MoFi SACD's a "half-step."

Van Halen in 256 DSD vs Miles Davis in 64 DSD - WTF??!! -Russ

Too funny…..No MoFi for me…Your room looks awesome

Just by seeing the MOFI logo is enough for the Placebo effect for majority including me

Ohhh my!!! I feel really for all those truly audiofile guys who have these $20k+ audio sysyems who enjoy the highest of highest mofi produced records who should be the highest of quality only obtainable by those who can afford such a luxury............you'vd been had!!!

Making fun of this situation is a way to bring down the bull…, so I think you are on the right track here. Thank you!

The funny thing is ,I've seen and heard the outrage but a very minimal amount of cancelations. Thanks.

Great sounding music is still great sounding music no matter how it is made! 😎

love it

Why get 128 dsd or double dsd when those mics used in the recoding process had a frequency response of about 20hz-20khz.

Keep them mofi vids coming robert

I was interested in the two Grateful Dead titles. They sound great and seem to have been cut right

interesting POV - in my view there has never been a better time to collect audiophile records. now audiophile records can be hi-res digital files and folks can't rule it out from sounding good, because it's about the sound.....

If you buy a 35 millimeter projector film that you should watch on a film projector. And it says on the package that it was filmed with a film camera So you might expect it to be originally shot on 35mm film .And not on video tape or as a digital file

The miles Davvis odficial SACD FROM SONY around early 2000s is sound amazing a proper sound system(mark levinson/Jbl), i love analog but listenimg to digital too

Robert, you should explain to some of these audiophiles the difference of master tapes sometimes. You worked in the radio industry and you must've come acrossed test pressings and acetate records and even some open reel tapes that were cut from the recording studio and remixed specifically for broadcasting. I often get stressed out with some of these clowns explaining session recordings, mastered mix and the different types of mixes made for duplications, radio airplay and even mixes made for companies like Runco and K-tel that often made recordings to avoid sued for copyright infringement. 😀 I have a few "Master" reel-to-reel tapes recorded specifically for CKLW Radio during their popular top 40 days in my collection, others were logger broadcast tapes when they were experimenting AM stereo in the early 1970's. 😎

I keep hearing everyone talk about those that scoff at people for liking digital, but I have yet to hear who some of those people are or have come across any of those channels myself. I do think there are a lot of channels that have never seemed to really say what they really think, but I know of channels that go on and on about how awesome one steps and MoFi sound because of the way they were processed. Might be difficult to go back and even know because they are just now coming out what they think based on what they're now finding out. You can't tell me that people that rave and rave about the sound quality of those releases aren't thinking in the back of their minds that the reason they sound so good is because they're all analog. I can't read minds, but I think almost everyone into one step and MofI were duped and believed they were all analog. Hell, I'm not really into those, but I thought they were all analog based on what I've always heard.

I'll have to go back and look again but I believe they (MOFI) posted that all their I step albums were DSD recorded from the original masters and the I steps are made from there. That would include the Van Halen albums. If (Like Mike Esposito stated about Thriller) the Van Halen's sound is as good as Thriller because they can make their own choices on compression, then VH fans (like myself) may be in for a treat.

What channels are making fun of digital people? I really hope they don’t have a ton of followers. I can’t sniff out digital - I don’t want to lol But MoFI’s last few years of vinyl pressings just don’t sound great. And that has nothing do with the source. We all have plenty of digital pressings that sound great. So that should help the bull shit too. You already have them folks :) Be free!

Still not phased. I'm out for the best quality record. It's sourcing and production mean fuck all. Does this record sound better than it's contemporaries? Yes? Then that's the one I want. Also I can't put my finger on it but 1 of those one steps is truly analog last a checked. Bill Evans I think. Would have to look again.

I enjoy my CDs and vinyl, sometimes there is a big sound difference between the two but most of the time it is not a huge difference and they have to be played side by side at the same time to be able to hear which is better. A few of my CDs sound better than it's vinyl counterpart. Digital scares people away because in the past it meant compressed harsh sound. But when done right that is not the case. I think poor analog recordings can improved through digital means with somebody that knows what they're doing. Maybe in the future they could show how digital enhancement improved the music with dynamic range charts and other means. Video with good sound quality showing improvement over old analog recording versus new digitally enhanced and log recording would help also. Does not make sense that mobile Fidelity is not using the highest resolution available though. I would like to hear their explanation for that. Maybe there is no audible sound difference? I am glad I did not pull the trigger on Fleetwood Mac Rumors, I have an old copy that is jaw-dropping amazing. I even made notations on the protective sleeve about how great the separation of instruments was and how crystal clear it sounded. Cost was around $5 used! I immediately like your point of view and take on this, subscribed!

Not to defend MoFi but I’m wondering if, in some cases, they chose the lower lower digital file type (I’m probably saying that wrong because I don’t know digital formats) because it might have sounded better than higher fidelity file as they were testing the one-step process? I hope this makes sense. But again, the never-digital audiophiles were definitely thunderstruck by these revelations that have come to light.

Those same audiophiles constantly complain whenever I listen to DSD (even 512Mhz stuff that is twice as good as the Quad DSD that MOFI used). They ain't got no idea how good DSD is,

I love all GOOD WELL PRODUCED AND MASTERED MUSIC, DIGITAL OR ANALOGUE DOESN'T MATTER. HOWEVER ON SOME STUFF I CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE, MAINLY IF I HAVE AN ANALOGUE VERSION AS WELL AND CAN A TO B COMPARE, YOU CERTAINLY CAN TELL THEM APART LIKE THAT. BUT NAH NOT ON EVERYTHING REGARDLESS. GOOD CASE IS THE BEATLES 2009 STEREO AND MONO REMASTERS COMPARED TO ORIGINAL VINYL AND THE ANALOGUE 2014 VINYL, ALTHOUGH THE MONO CDS ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE MONO VINYL, THE STEREOS ARE EASIER TO TELL.I CAN DEFINITELY TELL THERE BUT THAT MAY BE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MUSIC SO WELL.

To be honest I am not an audiophile and can’t tell the difference between digital and analog and don’t mind digital. Even though Mofi sounds amazing none of their titles like the Jeff Beck ever blew me away. Supposively analog pressing from AP and Tone Poet have so take that for what it is worth.

Carole King tapestry one steps sounds too harsh. That's a proof of the digital sound.

I’m not going to buy the Van Halen one step because I just can’t justify over 100 dollars for a record, analog or not. Having said that, I’m definitely picking up the sacd’s when they come out. I can buy about 4 of those for about the price of a single one step album 😂

The truth will come that MoFi is using old Napster files.

Fremer been back pedaling big time citing all the times he didn't hate on digital and ignoring the 98% of the time he did.

It's kind of like a placebo, if you THINK the sugar pill that your doctor just gave you is actually an aspirin, sometimes your headache will go away. And if you THINK that the record that you just shelled out $125.00 for sounds better than the record that you paid $10.00 for, well, maybe, and maybe not. On second thought, maybe the placebo thing works only in medicine, and not audio, so that, to the discerning ear, the record you just paid $125.00 for will still sound like fingernails scraping a blackboard.

Great video. These "all analog" (what KZfaqr says that a hundred times per video?) audiophiles are being exposed in a way we haven't seen since the Ashley Madison hack. Gotta love it.

Source : 8 track tape---🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@1:33 "These digital hating audiophiles, not all audiophiles, these self-proclaimed, digital hating audiophiles, that they can spot digital from a mile away, they can tell that's digi. Now they've been getting fooled, especially the jazz ones, that it wasn't even the highest resolution digital. It was like a lower thing they can master. You know, it's like a SACD, basically. The vinyl pressings, derived from a DSD master, have the potential to sound much better than listening to the purchased DSD file. Why? When you purchase DSD content, the only way to play that content is with a Sony chip. That Sony chip is in every DSD player. So the best your sound quality can be is limited to the quality of Sony's chip. That Sony chip is not high-end quality. It is good quality, but not great quality. As good as a Chevrolet Corvette is, it is no Ferrari LaFerrari. The reason for the chip is that the DSD file that you purchased is encrypted. The record companies do not want the public to have an in-the-clear copy of their DSD master file. So they encrypt it, which allows you to play it only via your DSD player's included Sony chip. When the vinyl pressings are made, there is no Sony chip in the process. When the vinyl pressings are made, the record company's have an in-the-clear DSD file that they use to make the master stamping plates. Those plates are then used to make the vinyl pressings. So the vinyl pressings have none of the degraded sound quality from the Sony chip, because the Sony chip is not part of the vinyl pressing's process. @2:18 "These digital hating audiophiles have been exposed now. Nobody can tell digital, just by their ear. That's known now. That ship has sailed, because you've been fooled by over a decade." No one has been exposed. The difference between a quality analog front-end (turntable / tone-arm / cartridge / phono-amp, all professionally dialed in) vs. most digital players is dramatic. The vinyl easily wins (assuming quality pressings). To get digital to have competitive sound quality, it takes some seriously amazing hardware, such as an Aesthetix (Romulus or Pandora) Eclipse series DAC, being fed digital content via an Innuos Statement transport (Innuos calls it a Music Player, but it is a transport). Most people do not even know what a transport is, and yet it is a critical part of the signal chain. Every CD player has a built-in transport. Most of them are good, but nothing special. But most folks do not realize how that is harming the sound quality. Feed your digital content thought the Innuos Statement transport (which will virtually eliminate noise and jitter), and your digital will blossom. You will be blown away at the improvement. Most folks would tell you that they hear no jitter, and they are telling the truth. But if you could flip a switch and eliminate the jitter, their hair would stand up. We all have jitter, and a quality transport will virtually eliminate that jitter. A lot of vinyl lovers have quality turntables (and the associated gear). Few people spends $thousands on a transport. So their vinyl sounds better. Ergo, they can hear the difference between digital and vinyl. But with DSD that does not require the Sony chip (Octave Records claims to be one such studio, but I never made a purchase), then DSD goes blow for blow with the best reel-to-reel masters. Some say that the DSD exceeds the best reel-to-reel initial capture recordings. But down to Earth, what most of us own for our stereos, we are being short changed on DSD sound quality, due to Sony's decryption chip. So no one was fooled, and no ship has sailed. The complexities of what finally arrives at our speakers makes it hard to pinpoint why we hear what we hear. It is not simply a matter of "Well, it came from a DSD master". That leaves out key information that impacts the sound quality. If anyone one was fooled, it is due to them not knowing about the DSD encryption and how that impacts sound quality due to the required decryption chip. They think that they are hearing a direct reading of the DSD file, and they are not.

My Old Wax is good enough for My 67 Year Old Ears . Thats My Point .

Talk about BS...

I wonder if we're getting fooled by you robert. I want to know if you're presenting you to us in the highest quality audio and video. Cone on give it it up, we're on to you. And by the way I love the john denvers greatest hits video. By yhe way I'm just kidding about your video and quality part of the comment. 😊

I always wanted a mo fi for the collection well now I dont..ktel provided all the masters

But....But....Vinyl has a warmer sound. If digital is anywhere in the chain it's of inferior quality, which is why I love MoFi....LOL

What ??!!! I have superior hearing !!! I can the difference all the time. - yeah okay keep telling yourself that people

Tommy Can You Hear Me!? lol.

I just love to see the highfaluting flagellated in public. People may say YOU are going TOO far. However I regard you as a small tonic to the years of counterpoint. The miles of print expressing the counterpoint. To all the snooty condescension that has gone before and for all the people in debt because they couldn’t see the emperor was in fact so naked that you could see the hairs on his ball, such that hard earned money was splash due to being up the fundaments of these music snobs. Stay Rasta

Don´t wanna gloat and make fun of these Audiophile "experts" but your video kinda puts a grin on my face! 😆Fun video!

Digital is just better. End of story. This does not justify deceptive advertising.

When all this started, i started laughing to think, omfg. Do these audiophiles realize that they probably have several albums that are digital recordings. Which leads to the question of DAA or is it DDA? But ots funny to think theres a Mahler album by Solti and Chicago Symphony that even came with an 8 page booklet on how they recorded it all digitally. Which is awesome as hell because its from 1981. Full digital recording. So DDA. Bet the audiophiles creamed their jeans back then because of the clarity and all that bullshit. So, how many 80s albums are digitally recorded that are the big ones that are up there with Brothers In Arms or The Nighfly, and they never even knew it. The album either sounds good or like shit. Thats about it right? I bet they get their panties in a twist at DMM albums as well.

My thing is, if it's old, and original its Analog. Dont buy any of these 1-steps or other companies doing the same. It's all bull. I'm sure they sound great, but if you want to be sure, you know what you should be buying.

MoFi, Mo problems

Great video! I'm asking where are the audiophile's golden ears? Actually, I just got 2 MoFi records and they didn't sound warm like my old records do. MoFi records sounds like my SACD. Little bright. But anyway, just enjoy the music! Once again, thanks for your video!