OBVIOUSLY we want a video comparing them while riding. LOL

Wow really banging out these new bike reviews! Surely the go to emtb channel on the Web now👍

My M-Team Carbon Raw has just been delivered yesterday : it’s already Christmas 🤪🎄!! Thanks Rob for your videos 👍 !!!

What a sweet bike! Wished it released a month ago, due to the eMTB shortages decided to purchase a normal Spectral CF 9, now this one appears to be already available in February! Gotta do some turbo saving!

Very relevant bike, especially for the lighter rider. Hey… nice to see you’re getting towards 100,000 subscribers.

Hi Rob, I am looking at H10 v M10, appreciate the video and would be very interested in a ride comparison between the two 👍

Great review! Thanks for that!

I just received my full fat orbea wild fs and loving it but not the UK mud makes me want to cry.Great video thanks.

Thanks for weighing these. It's nice to know what you get for the price points!

Your reviews are perfect, not a hint of bias, just facts for us to process a d make our own decisions with. Keep it up Rob.

I have the M20, and 60nm is more than enough once you adjust to the cadence required for optimal efficiency. Wish I'd waited for this with the 540 battery

I was not expecting that! 👍

Still not regretting buying my carbon Focus a few years ago now. 19kg with a full fat motor after a few hundred in upgrades on a mid £3k sale bike. 140/150 travel.

Amazing value and first E options for all the people looking to sell the regular bike...

Interesting comment on the YT Decoy when the Decoy MX Core 4 is 21.7kg for a full fat ebike. Seeing how the new hydro stacks up against the rise and then the Decoy (if YT will lend you one) will be amazing, given the price range across the three. The Hydro looks the nuts though

That's it it's done I'm getting my Rise H-15 next April!!!

Based on the comments, ORBEA needs to make a version with longer travel and 85 nm of torque as a option… I wouldn’t be surprised if they do in the near future. With the way some of us build our bikes, a frame only kit would be pretty cool!

Yes please a field comparison!

yes, absolutely Rob!!! We're content-hungry!!

Having an H30 built up right now, but swapping parts from an old bike, a Factory 38 160mm, Factory DPX2, Code Rs (220F/200R rotors), Reserve 30 wheels w/ 350 hubs, and Reverb 200mm dropper, should be quite the beast. Stoked. In other words, more videos/review on the H10!

Test of the new Rise Hydra please Rob, as I’ve just ordered mine 👍

Amazing color!

I ordered mine yesterday, H15 with the 150 fork. Should be with me by end of April, love that colorway. Would love to see and hear your thoughts on it.

Yes, please make the comparison!

Ride and compare for sure !!!

FYI the retail bikes come with a e7000 screen included. I saw the h30 with one yesterday. The dealer was surprised as they didn't know. However it is listed on orbea main product page.

Yup. need a test on both of them:-)

Such a sick bike!

Great stuff! Can you do a vid on testing the Orbea transmission against steep technical small size rocks boulder garden uphill. I’m wondering about the cadence needs during slow powerful balanced peddling. Like East Coast US Appalachian Mtn trails. Thanks. I think your approach is the best.

I guarantee they will sell out. If a hadn’t already modded out my trek rail I would buy the rise. What a sweet looking bike.

Seems as though Orbea gave some buyers an incentive to go with the Hydro v.s. Carbon. Either-way the the Hydro seems like an incredible machine. Thanks for the video!

wish you boys were over here in the states, Im going to do a head up of the 21 rail 9.9 and the 22 rail 9.9 and then Im selling off my 21

Please ride and compare them!

Hello Rob , when is a Rise rewiew in the field? Ahhh Merry Christmas to all

Just ordered an H15, can’t wait to see if the “trail” bike is as capable as all the rise reviews suggest. It’s actually same Head angle as both my current bikes. SC Bronson and Vitus E-Sommet. So expect it will handle the rough stuff no bother!

would love to see a ride comparison between these two! Obviously, the aluminum seems to be the best value type purchase assuming the two ride similarly?

are you going to get your hands on the superlight BH Ilinix? looks amazing

Rob, when do we get your full review of the H10!?

Hi Rob, I’m new to mountain biking, and looking for my first bike, and watched a few of your videos really enjoy the content you give, looking these lighter bikes and would like to see the test between these two bikes, I’m 5.6 and 77kg 30” inside leg which bike would be best for me thanks

Rob, have a look on the BH ELYNX TRAIL.... in my opinion the best light ebike on paper for the batery

Hey, very interested in the rise H models, but how does it compares to a full powered 85nm bike like a merida or trek? Love the vids you make btw, great info good filming

Were you planning on doing a review on any of the hydros vs the carbon rise?

Make the comparison please. You can also throw the BH iLynx in the mix too.

Hi Rob. You stated in the trek rail review that you are 6ft 3" and bought a size large. What size Orbea rise did you purchase? Thanks for the reviews.

Hey Rob, thanks for the review and good work getting your hands on one of them, out of interest does the Carbon range extender fit on the Ally bike and have you taken the two internal batteries out? would the 540w fit in the carbon? Have been told no but would be interested to double check that. Cheers

LOL, I just received my H yesterday. Unboxed it and hope to wrap it today before I head out for a ride. Today I received an email that the wrong motor software installed (guessing the full power Shimano EP8) and that I need to take it in to get flashed with the RS to maintain the warranty.

Yes Rob, Need a ride comparison . I found the Rise ep8 r/s noisy compared to my 2018 brose on a Levo. High pitched noise. Your last motor test had the EP8 very quiet climbing!? . Was it a one off (noisy, albeit brand spanking new) demo or is it because of the tuning, it makes more noise? Btw you could update the motor test with the EP8RS and throw in Bafang and Polini also now!

One thing i dont understand is why dont Orbea have a option to get the full 85nm out of the motor?

Rob, Big question is which one would you choose?

Rob, do you have any saddle time on the H10 yet? I'm curious to see a comparison on real world ride feel and whether that extra weight compromises the Rise experience.

Was reading that you can only remove the battery by removing the motor first, that sounds like a bit of a pitfall, still that’s a price to pay for the lightness.

For everyones information, the battery on the alloy bike accounts for 900g so the like for like comparison between the bikes is 18.9 vs 19.8. The alloy bike is only 900g heavier!

You mentioned that you liked 455mm chain stays. How tal are you? What sizes do you prefer and which reach do you prefer? Do you think the rise chain stays are to short ?

Having spent two full big days on the carbon version, I can say this light weight ebike is the way to go hands down. The ep8 motor puts out just enough power at 65 watts where I think it’s powerfully enough in the profile 2 setting and the overall weight feels way better then a full fat ebike. This is a great big back county sled. Now they just need to make an enduro version. I love the kenevo SL but I think Specialized needs to up the power on that bike. Having owned the 2020 Spec Enduro, that frame is amazing. Now if they can just up the watts to 65 or more that would be the winning ticket for me.

Please compare them. Thank you. Would like to hear how they sound.

Please do a comparison ride review

The only thing I need to know is does that ep8-rs still rattle?! Awesome bike but a deal breaker if they still haven't fixed that. 300 grams difference but how would they compare with the same wheels, tires and groupset?

70 nm would be spot on with the 500 watt battery

That is the most stealthy ebike I have ever seen

Hey Rob. Could you please review SCOTT RANSOM ERIDE?

OK…this is def an amazing accomplishment on Orbea’s part…but why can’t it come with the ‘FULL’ version of the EP8??? Because honest to God…a sub-20 kilo bike with 540wh battery onboard (with the option of a range extender) and the full-torque motor would destroy sales figures!!!!!

Hi Rob, are you going to review this bike?

How about the Rise aluminum vs giant trance e aluminum?

Why not swap out the EP8 RS for a regular EP8 on the Hydro? Light bike with more grunt, great for an intense 2 or 3 hours of blasting

Both a nice but id stick with my carbon rise. After 6 months riding i only depleted the battery twice without range extender so i wouldnt want a bigger battery.

If the rise had KSL geo I’d be all over that

The H10 looks the better package.

Come on Rob. Where's that comparison video. No one has done a ride video on the hydro yet!

No reason why this doesn't have the full power EP8. I have a 2018 Levo with the 504 battery and 97% of the time I never need more battery, riding mostly in trail, and a bit in turbo. Riding Innerleithen and the French Alps usually 18-26 miles and 2k' of elevation, I do ride minimum of 4 times a week, preferring more rides over 1 epic slog a week. And Orebea does make a nice looking gen1 Levo replica.

H10 has a Fox 36? All the specs I've seen shows a Fox 34. I have an H15 on order specifically for the Fox 36. Still looking for an M10 though.

Needs a full fat motor option, at 500wh and an extender that is huge capacity so no reason it cant be a full ep8 option too. Totally missing a secondary market at present.

What are the lights you are using that are leaning against the wall next to the bike?

I really want the h15 model.

Thanks for the video Rob. Would love to see a comparison between the aluminium Rise and the new carbon Giant Trance e+

Hi do you know if you can slacken the head angle on this bike ?

Pretty tempted by the H15 if E-MTB's were legal on my trails (they are not). Would want to pay them extra to upgrade the brakes to the 8120's and 200mm rotor though as well as upgrade to the Grip2 and more adjustable float X and move the dissector to the rear and put an Assegai up front.

I meant DHRII on the rear! Tough decision on which one to get? Would you go for H10 or M10?

Why not have the OG tune on the motor?

I want it but I can't justify having a high tower V2 and this bike. It would b a crime to have two bikes with the same travel numbers

Those bikes are both XL?

Do you ride the bike without pedals? I don't get the logic why you wouldn't add the pedals before weighing.

The Orbea Rise engineers threw out serviceability (battery change) and ergonomics ( no display) out the window. Sad because I considered it.

Carbon rims are very light!

Will the 500w battery fit in the carbon bike?

🤘🏼🤘🏼

I don't understand how this can be 2kg lighter than a carbon frame YT Decoy? (19.8kg vs 22.9kg) Same weight motor, similar capacity battery. The forks would be a bit lighter on the M10 Hydro, as well as the 180mm rotors, but I'm not seeing what else is making it lighter. Then add in the extra weight of the aluminium frame, I'm really confused.

Range test; max power til dead pls!

Has anyone ever had any experience towing a friend with them helping up a fire road?

I don't get it, the weight thing. We have batteries and a motor. I weigh just over 100kg and I would take 2 litres of water on my back on a ride, another 2kg. Then I've got tools, a bit of food and a few spares, like an inner tube, a bit of extra clothing. I'd have the same extra kit on a bike with no power assistance, its just what you need to ride. The biggest difference I could make would be to loose 10kg in body weight. I've already done that in the last 3 years and feel much better for it. If I'd ridden my none powered bike as long and as far as I've done with my e-bike, I might have lost that weight. Realistically that wouldn't have happened as I wouldn't have the inclination or the willpower to do it. My guess is that these lightweight e-bikes are just to convert none powered mountain bikers to get into the e-bike scene with some credibility. If you have a rider that is super fit and competitive the weight difference may be slightly significant. My Orbea has a 625Wh battery and a Gen 4 CX motor, it just makes all my rides worry free.

Is it possible to de restrict the rise h30

Why not compare it with rotwild re375 has 60 Newton of torque option 1 and option 2 gives full 85 so full power ebike enduro with 170 travel front and rear weighs 18 kilo

Those tyres were great on my Rise when I got it last August, until the first day in the woods, absolutely shockingly bad - positively dangerous on anything wet..... Magic Mary and Big Betty straight on with Rimpacts!!! You can feel the drag but a lot less than the drag from a full body cast would be.... 🤣

does the motor still rattle? very curious if the allu frame hides the noise better

19.8 is heavier than is quoted by orbea. I assume this is an xl size?

Has anyone flashed the rs with the standard ep8 firmware. If this was even possible would the integrated batteys on theses light bikes be able to output enough current without overloading there BMS. It would be cool to be able to switch between motor settings and just add battery capacity or remove it depending on your ride that day Maybe in a year or two

Lightweight bikes the holy grail for old people with dodgy backs;)

All well and good .. but when are bike manufacturers going to address the elephant in the room...that being the massive unreliability of Shimano motors? With bikes costing upwards of £5k, and motor replacement (outside warranty, or original ownership) costing around £1k, they really need to do better.

They sell a display for it.

So 21 kg like an Levo SL

Sure but 2 piston brakes, lower components on suspension that already makes half a kilo