Ich ook nu again. REIFE

Destroys, rebuilds, refills

Me to

Hunter Davis that’s me here at 2 A.M. Just reflecting

i feel this and other songs were more bernie becoming a frontman, this album in particular--New Order becomes New Order. i dont think they'd been as big with Ian, not in the states...still be a top legendary indie band, but no way he would be singing Bizarre Love Triangle or their bigger hits...though worlds apart, AC DC wasnt going to be mega stars in the US with Bon Scott...the industry and pop fans are kinda weird. Probably would have broken up a few years in. He was not looking to be a pop star. I'll agree this is my favorite song, Lonesome Tonight and Ceremony close.

How do you know Dave? You are guessing...how do you know where they would have gone. You don't know....ridiculous to make big bold statements which are meaningless...they are what they are. It was meant to happen I guess but who knows? @@DaveAnchovies

My Favourite New Order Song Ever.

Me too pal

agree. such a powerful song: beauty melancholic intro and these intense lyrics. (one of) the best song to listen to after a sentimental break

Best song ever from the best band ever.. best to be played when sad.. or when happy 😃

It is the best song. Hope you are no longer sad.

they weren't ordinary. they were special.

the National have none of the raw balls these guys had in these days continuing without their frontman...Bernie's guitar is just raw noodling a lot, while the rhythm section holds things in place...remember, they really were a punk band a few years prior. Having Gillian to back him up didnt hurt. Ive seen the National and ill never understand how they fill arenas, at least Arcade Fire brought something unique...and covered the ill-fated Jay Reatard (with opening bad Spoon, another band who plays it safe but nods to the underground by covering Reatard, Eddy Current--another underground trasure from Australia). Bernie and New Order saved Factory Records in the same way Mudhoney stuck around just to see SubPop survive. Both bands took a hit to see the right thing thru. For SubPop, just long enough for the Nirvana explosion and Factory continued the bad business but New Order stuck around way longer than they had to.

oh yes. wish he was still that bold.

dermot51 taste babe, all my fav new order songs

Lonesome Tonight, a b-side (shame its hidden as a bside), Ceremony, Original Temptation, Love Vigilantes...Promise.

How do you know all this? You are guessing....

why did they spit at them?

@@i_am_the_void probably because barney kept changing the lyrics to be about his knob

@@i_am_the_void I was at the gig too. It was a punk thing to spit at bands which had died out by 1983 but Cork was a bit behind the times. They were spat at as they walked onstage and Peter Hook went to the mike and said in a very menacing voice "Someone in here is spitting!". It stopped after that. I don't think they left early - it was just a shortish set with no encore". It was also the first time I heard Blue Monday i.e. before I heard it on the radio. I know The Smiths walked off stage in Cork after 20 mins due to spitting a few years later (I wasn't at that one). Maybe that's the one you mean Brick?

@@Jonathanmcc spitting? they're not exactly "punk rock" at this point...i wonder what came first? the spitting or the lyric changing?

@@DaveAnchovies the problem was certain sections of the crowd spat at every act - didn't matter whether they were punk or not. The spitting originated in the UK punk scene in the 70s and it took a while to die out in Cork.

what venue was this at?

@@bryankinney1 the Savoy theatre.

@@nickmason1469 cheers! and holy shit, looks like it still exists (or at least existed up until the pandemic). are you currently living in the area?

So was I just in front of Sumner. I still have the Ticket Stubb

@@bryankinney1 Savoy center Cork City when they used to hold gigs

NewOrder586 yup

that would be me

I’d love to find someone as big of a fan as me of NO and for this to be “our” wedding song.

she would be wrong. LMA is fantastic but you can't say it's their best when you've heard their entire catalogue...tunes like Ceremony, Elegia, Truth, Paradise, Turn, Singularity just to name a few.

NewOrder586 that sounds exactly like something I would think but perhaps never say.

..you are talking nonsense

35 years ago :'(

39 years ago timeless masterpiece, where the fuck does the time go?

A taste of time travel. I WISH I could be back at one of these early gigs. When a sound really "moves" you, your soul is transported. Transcendent. We'll all be dead when someone in the future listens to these songs and feels "the same". Isolation is an illusion.

Yeah around this time Barney was always singing about his genitalia! Get with it

NewOrder586 I've got a cock, it looks like the M1!

@@SmokeBen586 my personal favourite is 'I like fucking in the park, when it gets late at night'

@@jamie2051 love that one, was so hot...as if the "can't shaft without someone else" bit wasn't enough.

We always take new order (especially early new order) as such serious and tragic characters, that sometimes it’s easy to forget how young they were. Man they had a sense of humor hahah

Wow!

Andrew Wells We like to say "offspring"

Stage fright?

@@OneUnderground yeah he always had horrible stage fright

he was always a messy guitarist, especially when he head to sing...live JD boots and this early era of New Order are "loose" on the guitar, having Gillian back him up was cool. I didnt see them until the later part of the 80s and they never touched these songs...very electronic sets. if he had stage fright, taking place of the longtime mate and frontman probably didnt help. Joy Division would screw off live, too...the fans took it serious, the band was more laid back. This song built for New Order, and imo, Ceremony was better as a New Order track. Good to hear loose live versions...if youve never heard Joy Division live...its gonna be loose. Bernie had big shoes to fill and ill take any live version of this, Lonesome Tonight...really not worried about it being note for note live

+Mr. Marcelli Album version. One of the most beautifully understated things they ever did.

definitely. But I wish Ian had performed it.

Mr. Marcelli that would have required time travel since the song was written after his death. But yeah I would like to magically hear Ian sing it too.