Appreciate the insight!!!!

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​@@danaquigley4341Had to Pin Your Comment!!!!! Exactly! Media making it sound like every UPS Driver Getting $170,000 A Year 😅

​@@MuthaTruckerI was told that Feeders should go up to $49+ in 4 years, not to 44+ ? Any ideas which one is true ? 😮 Feeders are currently at $41+ so after a $7.50 increase, that could top up at $49+ ?

44+ after ratification. 49+ after end of contract

Are you home every day because I am and do you have a pension? And 7weeks paid vacation.I’m not knocking any company but I’m telling you it pays to stay .

Former Walmart driver. No comparison to UPS opportunity. I was there in 2020 for 2 months in Tx

@@reggiepolk980 I was just sharing where I’m at with walmart. I’ve never been a company driver before and I’m actually liking it.

@@JCox964 I was just sharing where I’m at with walmart. I’ve never been a company driver before and I’m actually liking it.

😂 let’s be honest Walmart will be around wayyyyy longer then ups sorry fan boys of the “pension”. And I’m not even a truck driver, it’s common sense ups doesn’t produce nothing what they offer a shipping service…. Okay there are plenty other cheaper options, but Walmart we as people need Walmart. But I think Walmart issssss way better but like I said I’m not a truck driver.

Yup. It’s all for show. This contract is simply just a step in the right direction, but definitely isn’t life changing

Ok, I would be fine with $135k too.

And that’s still benefits included

then u dont know what all the other workers of usa go through which is tougher stuff. the pay gaps should not be that wide within the industry. try working for werner. or try working at grocery store with wages that don't pay bills. all jobs suck with exception of a few, and those ones abuse antitrust laws and restrict jobs creations. it's actually not a tough job to be van drivers like that, it's actually one of the more perfect jobs. not overly physical and not underphysical, while also pays well. i don't aim for that job is because i keep my trucking experience active, so it wouldn't make sense me do van box driving.

@@henlohenlo689 you think driving a ups package car is not physical lololol. It’s not chill. It’s 20 hours of work crammed into package car expected to get done in under 9.5 hours. You have 3 different time commit stops throughout your day. Bulk stops. Which can be anything from mall routes to industrial heavy construction rigging equipment parts. Don’t forget pickups. And best believe your truck is empty when you start your pickup string. Most likely it’s still half full. So make sure you separate pickup and delivery volume. Pickup next day air? Better make it to the drop point or your driving to the airport. Then go back and finish the deliveries. Punch out between 9-11 pm. Rinse and repeat everyday. It was the most brutal job I’ve ever had. Mentally and physically. I was never home. Kids growing up without their dad around. I was so exhausted I slept in almost all day Saturday to catch up on sleep. Luckily I have a very understanding wife. I’m no longer a ups driver. F that place. 16 years is all I could handle.

@@henlohenlo689 You have no clue what you are talking about. It is a very hard job. I am in and out of the truck 200 times a day. I walk 5 to 10 miles a day. If you want an 8 hr workday you have to request it the day before which they can deny. You get three 8 hour days a month. You have to be careful and do things properly every day all day so you don't get injured. Being a package driver is hard work. Period. There's a reason that very very few new hires actually stay through to the full 4 year progression and finally get the decent pay.

@@truckingbynumbers it's not a hard job compared all the trucking jobs i done. a general person in a standing job has it tougher physically cause they don't get to sit down. dish washers have it tougher physically. foood delivery is way tougher. teams trucking is way harder on your body. working at oak harbor they will max out your clock every day push you hours of service to the limit and you are driving over night trying to stay awake. i had a trucking job driving all the 48 states way tougher than what any ups driver would ever or could ever do. van box driving is like kiddie pool compared to other jobs. if you complaining about physical than dish washer is tougher than that. if physicality is what your complaining about.

@@henlohenlo689 You're incredibly uneducated about what you're talking about. Driving a delivery van is significantly more work than what you're describing. You drove 48 states, that's probably the easiest driving position you can get. I work for Werner, this is my last week there. I do Family Dollar's dedicated account out of Marianna Florida. You're delusional if you think that's not harder than 48 states. You drive and back into docks. I unload the truck myself at various stores. I also did step van deliveries for FedEx, I know what this guy is talking about. You sit in AC and do almost all highway miles on Werner's 48 states. He's in a non AC van getting out carrying packages that can go up to 150 pounds 200 times a day. That's significantly more work than a dish washer. That's significantly more work than Werner's 48 states. Teams is only hard because you don't get good sleep while the other person is driving. Again, I'm working for the company you mentioned. I also worked doing the same thing they're talking about. FedEx step van was significantly harder than my job at Werner. You're comparing two different things. The people you're replying to aren't talking about drop and hook terminal to terminal, they're talking about package van deliveries.

Shoot I got hired off the street as a 22.4 last year and am super blessed but this company is ruthless! I’ve been since forced inside since May in the warehouse and loading and unloading trailers. So yea it’s humbling to say the least. I guess I’m also paying my dues and building that seniority

@@ricky3015 It’ll get better. I know it’s tough. Just keep hanging in there. You’ll get a driving gig.

Ok and ? Food service drivers are package handlers ….

Who cares they're more likely to retire by a decent age with that kind of money. Free health insurance.

@@GhostruckerX a lot of people care. People want a life outside of a job.

@@deronr7560amen

@@deronr7560 But no one wants to work for financial freedom and put the work in for early retirement. Work life balance doesn't mean more money either. Sure it goes both ways.

you should sue them. they have no right to do that to workers they are violating antitrust laws. you dont need to necessarily file lawsuit but should at the very least file complaints with the govt agencies to let them know how ups treats the workers which raises clues for antitrust laws violations. the workers don't get get work or job creations while the customers don't get service or price gouged. why is this? because ups is the vessel restricting trade/job growth/service to customers/ and competition. they single handedly decide if economy grows and if people are served well or not.

This is not a regular feeder position. Also no one gets hired on permanent full time directly into feeder. You must have been a seasonal hire or you are confusing ups with ups freight. Also in some buildings they have “porters” which is a union position that is essentially a janitor. It’s a full time position that takes a lifetime to get. So no, you wouldn’t even be allowed to sweep and clean toilets. Ups people also do not use the term terminal. There is no terminal managers at ups. Completely wrong vocabulary.

@@henlohenlo689 it wasn’t a regular position. I think in the northeast and the northeast only they had part time feeder drivers. Which was a strange position that had its own contract language. But this guys story sounds odd. Feeder is a high seniority position in every building. They do not bring new hires directly into feeder. There is an entire building full of package drivers with more seniority waiting to go feeder.

There have been instances where they hired directly off the street for feeders. They did it in 13/14 at Joh Ave in Baltimore. I went to an interview but it wasn't for me. My buddy applied and was hired. He is still there.

@@toddb3394 definitely a northeast/east coast thing. Every region has slightly different rules. I’m in the west coast. Hiring directly into feeder is not possible here. We have a 6/1 rule here. But it only goes for package driving, and they usually give that spot to a part time supe they want to become a full time driver supe

UPS internal employment models probably show most of the drivers quiting well before the 5 year.

@@Swagalious689 not true at all. It takes so long to go full time that people stay. It took me 10 years to finally become a full time driver because movement is slow. It’s all through attrition and seniority. I did quit though lol. 16 years and I got burnt out. Got my CDL and now Im a teamster construction equipment hauler. Ups is a meat grinder. These guys deserve every penny they can get because it still ain’t worth it.

Bro they already are. This week is the worst I’ve ever had with the company in 7 years. The harassment is unbelievable. I have a sup breathing down my neck for 5 hours won’t leave my side.

@@Swagalious689 Yes, for sure. In the center where I work out of they hire 2-3 times a year for full time package drivers. Very few of them stay for the 4 year progression. That's why they keep the starting wage low. I think they hired 15 or so in 2021 and maybe 3 are still there.

@@Swagalious689and that is why ups moved the progression from 2 to 4yrs. They get a 2 for 1 deal out of it. 2 new drivers making $21 vs 1 top pay driver making $41.59.

Yes sir I'm 710 and most people don't compute total compensation vs income.

Local 705 Chicago ✊

I have 8 yrs vested in 705. When my company went under at the beginning of '02 I found a new job. Still, 8 yrs will pay me $1010 a month when I retire. That'll help with my 401k, SS, IRA, & Mutual fund.

By the time you retire ups will go under in the current market

@@elitex50 as long as they are bringing in 500 billion in revenue, they will manage…. Fed ex has there own problems… maybe 25-30 years down the road but not soon

i feel your pain. 309 driver.

does that really sound sustainable?

That's ata great salary

Same in NJ. You not really call but you lie able to pick your routes every wk. They do vary based on what's left after the senior drivers pick. The only downfall is when Dec rolls around, you're out of a job until they call you back

Exactly 💯

Chicago is the hub to work as a new driver ( off the street ) ?

If you want. I dont like the state and bigger hubs get their own contracts@@brianmitchell6309

The inflation was bound to happen anyways. The pandemic shutdown and making people stay at home screwed everything up. Now no one wants to really work in person. And that’s on top of the fact that people in the later generations have gotten lazy. Now it’s about trying to attract decent workers who still want to report on-site for daily duty.

Or the shareholders can stop being greedy. Thats where all the money goes. God forbid it goes to the men and women that run the company

Most drivers that are otr are only making $60,000 - $85,000 per year

Most company drivers aren't making anywhere near 100k. Not including benefits. UPS drivers are not OTR. They have a life and get paid more than any other company.

@@deronr7560 Well it's not what you make it's what you keep. If you're eaten up with expenses doesn't matter what you make.

@@GhostruckerX what you make matters in 2023. Maybe not as much in 2013 but it’s very important and drivers are underpaid.

@@deronr7560 yes and no. Depends on what you want out of life. The guy who keeps his money OTR with no life IF planned out can easily build wealth. Then local cats who make more with more bills and responsibilities. With inflation and other things sure the dollar is worth less so that requires us to need to make more. But it's still all meaningless if you never get to keep most of it. OTR has changed my life for the better and yes it's true truckers are under paid. You could save your money buy land build storage units and buy your time back too. But it all depends how you want to sacrifice and it won't be pretty but that's life. You aren't wrong in one angle. The pure amount of dollars in my savings is disagreeing with some of what you say.

That's including benefits package. A/C in all vehicles in this contract.

So.does.everyone else but kudos to them

As someone who has used and greatly benefited from VA benifits. This is a valid point and concern in my opinion not a rant. You are leaving that 12$ on the table along with everyone else in your situation. I’m interested to learn about an in action taken behind this!

all the attention they hoping amazon workers will unionize because they're the threat, and also they know that NEXT contract ppl will misremember our "170k" salary and just round up and be like wtf these greedy bstards make 200k a year pay them less, without having any idea of what "AC" we may or may not have by then, if it works, and how much hotter the summers will be due to global warming

U remember back in 2006 the usps was trying to do what ups is doing and if ot happen ups wouldn't be a big as they are

No money?

but this guy says he gets paid over $40. are you getting paid $23?

I actually hope so. Fuck em if they do.

Someone will have to pay for it and it won't just their customers doing so. They'll just hire less and work the current employees even harder.

​​@@steveng14043please they run 30% of Amazon why u think Amazon is building next to them without Amazon and the post office they are done . I remember back in 2006 when the usps was trying to do as ups and the cried saying the government can't make a profit

Appreciate your insight

@@rodedawg77Exactly What we need to be worried about cause remember a Robot 🤖 Don’t need a paycheck and doesn’t protest 🪧

Even neurosurgeons aren’t safe from robots. There’s robots doing perfect sutures nowadays, nobody is safe.

Hahahaha brainless

I heard the same thing 5 years ago. I'm still behind the wheel making well over 150,000 a year.

@@Steveo_00700 150? What are you a high end lot lizard?

Home daily is tough to get enough rest. Honey do this, honey do that, falling asleep in your soup.

Appreciate you

Something negative will probably come out of this in the long run. Current UPS customers are going to have to cover these pay raises which means they'll be switching to fed ex, usps, etc etc. Don't be surprised if other delivery companies pop up within the next 5-10 years.

@@steveng14043 UPS has better cash flow than the competitors. It’s only 2 competitors that can handle the volume these big box stores push out. Ups also has reliable staffing far as delivery goes soon 1-2 Day delivery will be the standard everywhere soon this is one reason Amazon couldn’t just kick UPS to the curb even with their own delivery service UPS reliability is like no other

But yellow didn't have 30% of Amazon freight an a contract with the usps that how ups still exists. Remember the usps had supposedly done what ups is doing delivered product, but they fought against it crying the government is not supposed to make a profit back in 2006

@@oneone3983 USPS primary "service" is service of process, 2 is first class mail... UPS does not deliver First Class Mail or perform service of process...

@@oneone3983 UPS exist because the e-commerce market has to be diverse in order for it to work. Remember UPS did something bold and that’s cut non profiting accounts which put everyone including Amazon to pay up Fedex followed suite . Why cuz Amazon was playing with the volume & money Fedex cut Amazon off completely which put Amazon in a corner cuz they had to commit to 1 &2 day shipping which is hard if u don’t have a sound carrier like UPS in your corner. UPS knows how to navigate the E-commerce market like no other and remember they have the highest rates but have a 99% successful delivery rate attached to them.

Depends on the person. I’m happy with it. I was a 22.4 FT Combo driver and got converted to Regular Pkg Car Driver. I can bid on routes and 9.5 protections and will get top rate in 1 year.

Company driver right ?

We expect to grab a bigger share of the freight market. Think about it rates are low and they are making billions in free cash flow at these rates imagine when rates finally go up

Do you believe the unions are pulling the same move to collapse the trucking industry

@@Markgt UPS is still growing they are no where near their max potential. UPS only keep profitable accounts whereas others want to run a crazy about if volume to be profitable. This is why they sold UPS freight cuz it wasn’t really profitable

Facts

Exactly. Saying that we’re getting A/C is a joke. Sounds good but over the next 10 years, probably less than 1% of the drivers will have A/C. Can’t believe the Union agreed to that

AC should be a requirement from OSHA. That way all carriers have to do it. Personally, I am fine with pay a few pennies more for my deliveries to see these people with AC. I live in the South and I can't imagine driving that truck around all day with no ac.

All PT'ers hired before Aug 1st will get $2.75 and then if they're still under $21 they'll get bumped up to $21 per hour in the first year. Those hired after Aug 1'st will start at $21 and then only get .50cent raises each year for the next 4. UPS thrives on burning through the workforce as fast as possible. The more people quit and don't stay long term either PT or FT, the more they make. Thats why start pay is essentially minimum wage for the early year of FT progression and PT normal pay.

Lol In all reality who the hell is going to ship to them, so many people won’t. FedEx will boom now. Good luck retaining that “150k” nobody “needs” a ups delivery service other options out there😂

@vikingguy2434 , Been with the company for 17 years now. Everytime we negotiate a new 5 year contract haters like you always say the same thing.

@@vikingguy2434y’all think we make a living off y’all little residential deliveries lol businesses, pharmacies,hospitals and government buildings is where ups makes it money not your little Costco or target boxes that’s why it cost a arm and leg to ship a package

Times are changing my guy not always going to be that way😂 and TRUST ME! I’m not hating I’m a civil engineer bridge designer I make way more then you. but good try, I don’t gloat about how much I “make” like you plus I pretty much sit at a desk. It’s not hating it’s fact in time people will not ship with them high prices😂 basic math my guy didn’t you learn in school🤣

@tsmith8780 , some do but most won't.

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I just tell people they can be a lotto winner too, come apply and enjoy the reality of what you'll actually get.

You mean everyone better that UPS stock doesn't crash , and that the economy turns around!

Ups will be just fine. The cliff notes of this contract are: full time ups drivers getting a $7 per hour raise over 5 years. That’s about it. The other items in this contract are not economic

People need to realize UPS doesn't make their money on home deliveries or home pick ups. The company focuses on commercial accounts as their bread and butter.

Good to know. Thanks@@Steveo_00700

Can’t transfer without souse being in military smarts

I believe this is the first contract where PT can transfer out of state without having to have a school based reason. FT unfortunately not so much.

Private companies do this all the time and it's a benefit, the employers needs are met by a relocation employee and you reward that employee for filling YOUR need and that reward is to be integrated back into a better environment. The Teamster's crack one whip and the employer cracks another and 6ou revile your employer and slave for your Union. Sean O'Brien said it himself, forced enforcement to the letter of the CBA.

Private companies do this all the time and it's a benefit, the employers needs are met by a relocation employee and you reward that employee for filling YOUR need and that reward is to be integrated back into a better environment. The Teamster's crack one whip and the employer cracks another and 6ou revile your employer and slave for your Union. Sean O'Brien said it himself, forced enforcement to the letter of the CBA.

No. It’s all full time drivers. But $170k is the entire package. Wage, benefits and pension. The current top rate is $41 per hour. They are getting a raise to $49 per hour over 5 years. That’s it. Once you go full time driver it takes 4 years to get to top rate. So the $170k a year package will be for all top rate drivers by the end of this contract.

Hating 😂

I'd love to see a drone or robot try and deal with all the scenarios that can happen on a delivery.

Manny, are you from Yellow? Lol

It will happen. Automation has a price and human labor has a price. The moment that line crosses it will happen if you like it or not.

@@freespirit9981that’s when unions come in and protect your job

Yes

I didn't know that until reading these posts. I don't feel so bad now only making 65K a year as a Xerox/IT Technician. If i add up everything (salary, 401K, medical, and the free vehicle and free gas i get). I make almost 100k a year.

This is without all that tho