then finished 5th😬.

The box.

Drunk in a ditch.

Yeah, that never happened... This video averages the numbers out...

@@v4v819 - actually he did. Ask chatGPT to check the game logs. He also scored 175 points in his first 60 games.

​@@v4v819Ouch

152 points would have tied him with Espo. McDavid had 153 points. Just goes to show how great Wayne and Mario were. If Connor played as long as Wayne, he would need to average 168 points per season for the next 12 seasons to catch him. That's messed up. He averages 106 per year right now. He had a phenomenal year and hats off to him but he hasn't done for his crappy team what the other 2 did for their crappy teams. And they were both on crappy teams.

Connor didn't quite catch Steve Yzerman's 155 n 1988-89... Also McDavid scored 153- to go pass Phil Esposito (152)...

Yes, I thought I had the numbers right, but I confused the last digits. McDavid scored 153 points, 2 short of Yzerman's record among non-Gretzky, non-Lemieux players. In the original post I accidentally switched the 3 and 2, shortchanging McDavid by 1 point. To stop people from posting more reminders, I will now edit my OP to fix that.

The only stat where Lemieux beat Gretzky outright is goals per game. Gretzky played a lot more games, but had a much higher assist-to-goal ratio than most. Yet Gretzky still leads the all-time career goal-scoring record. Ovetzchen (sp?) may soon pass Gretzky in career goals, but he still isn't anywhere close to catching Gretzky in overall points.

@@jeremykraenzlein5975 if you stop gretzkys career at the same 915 games his gpg is not only better then lemieux its also better then bossy. that extra 500 games he played on a never spoken of herniated disc that almost ended his career slowed him otherwise we would see 900+g 2000+a and 3000+ p

@@moody9442 And how many more goals would Mario Lemieux have had, if not for the time he missed battling non-Hodgens Lymphoma? Although he was eventually able to return to the NHL, he lost many of his prime playing years to that disease. Wayne Gretzky's goal scoring slowed down around the age where most players slow down for one reason or another. I think that Mario without the Lymphoma would probably have scored more total goals than Wayne without any herniated disc, though Wayne would still be well ahead in total points.

@@jeremykraenzlein5975 gretzky scored 384 in hist last 1000 games thats the only reason his gpg is so low

Put today's sticks in 66's and 99's hands, combined with the 80s goalie equipment, they would have had 300 points seasons😁

@@GdF420 Exactly 100% I own the skates Wayne usewd at the END of his career and a pair of recent $1000 pro skates. Night and day in performance. Nevermind the garbage Wayne had to use at his peak. In Waynes era? You give him those skates, currents sticks, no curve rule enforced, no redline,no hooking,no interference,no slashing? Ovi would have 500 more to catch Wayne. Todays goalie gear size doesnt even make up for stick technology.

Put pansy modern rules in the 80s and Mario gets 8000 points a week

​@@GdF420 I agree with what you're saying but Wayne actually had the choice to play with a better stick. Instead he chose to play with what Brett Hull called " the worst stick in hockey" and still killed everyone. He would have been a scoring machine in any era because he had such an ability to adapt like no other player. That's why he has the most 5v5, power play and shorthanded points in league history. All while being one of the slightest players on the ice.

same old moot point

That's because rookie Messier was slacking with only 33 points.

“Rookie Gretzky” is the only first year player to ever to win league MVP in any team sport (ever) lol

Great season for Mcdavid, but 153 points still only put him in 15th. And it didn't help get past Vegas in the playoffs.

@@Vbird003 You went there?

That to me ranks up there with a 200 point season from 80's-90's. Goalies are 6'6" with pads to match now. It's really unbelievable what McDavid did.

@@Nogoingback424 McDavid wouldn't even score 10 goals with the sticks, skates, pucks, and ice Gretzky and Lemieux had to deal with back in the 80s, not to mention the hooking, grabbing and two-line passing rule in effect.

@@Nogoingback424 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Pretty sure lemieux didnt play a single game 100% after around his 24th birthday. His backpain was so bad he constantly had trainers tying his skates for him. Gretzky while obviously affected by injury to some extent the second half of his career also slowed down due to age + defenses and goalies getting better. Gretzky's playmaking remained elite but he lost the ability to score cause he never had a great shot, when goalies improved drastically in the early - mid 90s his scoring plummeted.

@@hockeyislife67 it’s more to do with - thanks to Gary Suter - his career threatening back injury in the 1991 Canada Cup (knocking him out of the tournament and half of the 1992/93 season with a herniated disc and subsequent back surgery). He went from 160-170 points per season (his first 3 season with the Kings) to 120-130 points per season overnight after the injury his next 2 (full) seasons. A 30% immediate drop in points isn’t the result of goaltending suddenly changing over the summer of 1991. It’s not a coincidence that happens to be exactly when Gretzky’s back was mangled.

​@@michaelgriffiths8068 ​ The average goals per game in the NHL went from 7.3/game in 92/93 to just 6.5/game in 93/94 and 6.0 in 94/95 -> This represents the biggest 2 year drop off in 50 years. So yes it was a league wide drop in goals of about 15-20% over two years but this drop hit Gretzky harder because he was aging and also never had an amazing shot. For reference the average was between 7.4-8.0 for the entirety of the 1980's. Additionally just look at Gretzky's shooting percentage through his career - First 6 seasons he shoots over 20% 5 times (League goals average was between 7.7-8.0). Next 6 seasons his shooting declines a bit as he only hits 20% once, but continues to shoot over 16.9% every season but one (League goals average had dipped by this time to about 7-7.4 for this stretch). Then his final 8 years of his career he shot over 16.9% 0 TIMES (and under 10% 3 times) (League average goals during this time span ranged from 6.9 to as low as 5.3 in 1997 and 1998). Goalies were getting better and Gretzky never had a great shot and it impacted him even more than others. I am sure the injury had an impact as well but the fact his goals suffered even more so than his assist shows the benefit he had from playing against weaker goalies in his prime and the fact the decline was steady over his career as scoring decreased across the league proves it wasn't a direct result of the back injury but more a reflection of him having a non elite shot. His assist levels somehow stayed above 1 per game for almost his entire career despite the decrease in league scoring, cause he was that good of a passer, but he never had a top tier shot. Over the final 8 years of his career he averaged 21 goals and 82.5 assist which is a 4-1 ratio. Over the first 12 years he averaged 60 goals and 119 assist or a shade over 2-1 ratio. His assists dipped 50% similar to the league wide goals dipped from around 7.5 to about 5.5 but his goals dipped 200%.

@@hockeyislife67 - Gretzky’s production dropped by 30% in the 1991/92 season (long before the 1994 season you mentioned), and did so IMMEDIATELY after the 91 Canada Cup Gary Suter hit in September 1991 (just before the 1991/92 season began). This has nothing to do with league scoring averages going down since, as you state, league scoring actually went UP (not down) the following two seasons (1992/93 was one of the highest in NHL history).

@@michaelgriffiths8068 The Kings from 90/91 - 91/92 dropped in goals from 340 (1st) to 287 (10th). The team shooting percentage dropped from 14.1% to just 11.9% - they had more shots on net the year after the Gretzky injury but less goals. The entire teams production dropped but the level of play from the team and Gretzky was the same, the difference was the goalies got better and their shooting came down to earth. The production did not drop because of a Gretzky injury because otherwise they wouldn't have generated even more shots. Gretzky himself went from 19.3% to 14.4%.

And Gretzky had 175 points in 60 games in 1983/84. And 153 points in his first 51 games that same season (exactly 3 PPG). Lemieux never came close to those numbers.

That team was 0 and 7 without wayne that season

Waynes linemate was kurri mario was jagr kurri a hall of famer bc of wayne jagr still a haller withut mario

The score is 8-2 in favor of the Great One not the other guy.

It's just the progression of the 10 best statistical seasons in history. Since nobody was or is as good as them, Wayne and Mario have all the best seasons.

So true - And without an enforcer to protect him

@@GdF420 the man was a monster 6,4 230-235 pounds don't need an enforcer when you are that size. He is a true Mount Rushmore Candidate for best hockey player.

That’s true. Mario never had a hall of fame team…unless you include Jagr, Francis, Coffey, Murphy, Recchi, Trottier, Mullen. Oh wait, that’s more hall of famers than the Oilers had with Gretzky. My bad. 🙊

@@michaelgriffiths8068sorry your knowledge of the game doesn't match mine. nice try though. Look closely at the years. All those players your listing came later, after those seasons. The seasons he posted those numbers (the seasons high-lighted in this video) most of the players you listed were not there. You goofed in your reply, but at least you tried...not very hard because you could have researched before posting your comment, but in your terms, you tried.

@@mroy88 - again you’re wrong. Mario played with various combinations of those hall of fame players (Jagr, Francis, Recchi, Mullen, Coffey, Murphy, Trottier) during his best seasons. Nice try though.