1967 Ford 427 Dyno Room Diagnosis - Will It Hold?

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@garymckee8857
@garymckee8857 3 жыл бұрын
Never trust a "built" engine that someone else put together. Thanks Nick.
@Terminxman
@Terminxman 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, I've gotten burned before and now I won't buy a vehicle with a rebuilt engine in it unless I know exactly who built it and have some kind of receipts. Also people need to know what they're doing when they build an FE
@dirtlump
@dirtlump 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately.... IMO, an FE build of this nature just doesn't make diddly for power anyway ? Too bad it's been so problematic and expensive obviously, as again here IMO... the HP per $ spent is going to be very disappointing. The learning curve here being.... "Never buy an Engine "pre-built" without proof of a patent product by it being DYNO'd and PROVEN before any money changes hands" ! GOOD Shops.... don't Machine/Build/Assemble an Engine..... let be let any Engine LEAVE.... until that Engine is proven on the Dyno, in the customers presence... to the customers satisfaction... NO EXCEPTIONS !
@garymckee8857
@garymckee8857 3 жыл бұрын
@@dirtlump A crate engine would have been a better choice.
@dirtlump
@dirtlump 3 жыл бұрын
@@garymckee8857 Sure.... just as long as that "Crate Engine" is DYNO'd and PROVEN before any Money exchanges hands ! Otherwise..... no guarantee it ain't just more headaches same as the current P.O.S. !
@garymckee8857
@garymckee8857 3 жыл бұрын
@@dirtlump I was referring to a factory crate but sometimes even those are POS.
@bendejobob
@bendejobob Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, the early center oiled 427 FE blocks were not made for hydraulic lifters unless the builder had them altered for the oil passages. Nick didn't say if they had that machining done for the hydraulic lifters. Besides, I love the sound of a nicely adjusted set of solid lifters; they add to the 427 mystique. The 428 heads are junk compared to the 427 heads.
@briantehachapi8898
@briantehachapi8898 8 ай бұрын
The 428 CJ heads were very similar to last year 427 low riser heads for cars like Cougar. You are right though, medium riser 427 heads were great compared to the low riser heads.
@wawacan
@wawacan 3 жыл бұрын
For those who say "sleeve it back to stock" - 427 FEs are very thin wall to start, and if you sleeve adjacent cylinders the block will split at the deck. Ask anyone who builds FEs. Generally NOT recommended to bore a 427 as they are already close to the limit, and if you must, only the minimum to clean up what must be fixed. It is important to understand the 427 FE was a racing engine, not intended for high mileage.
@davelowets
@davelowets 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Those engines were pretty much already at max bore to be safe. I wouldn't bother trying to sleeve all 8 holes. I would be EXPENSIVE, and you'd end up with not much left for block strength. I'd bite the bullet, and find a new block.
@everettfarr8036
@everettfarr8036 2 жыл бұрын
Casting techniques at the time limited production of 427 blocks. Ford had too many rejects. So thats why they switched to the 428 block. For the doubters on how powerful these engines were just remember- the movie wasnt called Chevrolet vs Ferrari! These engines dominated drag racing in their day. I will forever have a soft spot in my heart for Ford FE engines.
@1575murray
@1575murray 2 жыл бұрын
That was why Ford introduced the 428 in 1966 with a smaller bore and a longer stroke to come up with about the same displacement for a much lower cost.
@DOHC91GLI
@DOHC91GLI 2 жыл бұрын
Why a lot of folks swapped in a 428 after scattering the stock 427… not enough meat on the bone to fix.
@truthliveshere831
@truthliveshere831 2 жыл бұрын
They also tend to run through head gaskets with sleeves. Best way to go with building one is to find blocks that were rejected for some kind of casting imperfection that is minimal enough to me machined or repaired or a new old stock block.
@AZCobraman
@AZCobraman 3 жыл бұрын
It's like a Charlie Brown special, the saddest 427 ever....
@hoost3056
@hoost3056 3 жыл бұрын
Some engines put up a fight....this is one of them.
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 3 жыл бұрын
We never got the straight story about what was wrong with the lifters... block oil holes plugged? Bearing oil holes not lined up? Lifter put together wrong? Oil plug left out or screwed in too deep? Something embarrassing?
@shaunjohnson9827
@shaunjohnson9827 3 жыл бұрын
Some fe engines were solid lifter from factory and were never drilled for hydraulic lifter oil
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 3 жыл бұрын
@@shaunjohnson9827 - Yeah, Ford was way late going to hydraulic lifters... and even had 6 volt instrument panels until 1965...
@jeffbecker8716
@jeffbecker8716 3 жыл бұрын
Rockers hitting the covers still sounds better than the Mariah Carey Christmas music.
@kramnull8962
@kramnull8962 3 жыл бұрын
She's right up there with a rod knock on 3 cylinders...
@bigsparky8888
@bigsparky8888 3 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHAHA...SHE WAS SO BEAUTIFUL WHEN SHE STARTED...ALL THESE ATTEMPTS TO SING ALL OVER THE SCALES HAS WRECKED HER GOD GIVEN TALENTED VOICE....A. IT TOO MUCH ATTEMPTING TO BE GREATER OR BETTER OR DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS...OH WELL...JUST LISTENING FOR IT...
@Jpaul1988.
@Jpaul1988. 3 жыл бұрын
@@kramnull8962 hj
@mynameis9057
@mynameis9057 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao! Omg hysterical! thanks
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 3 жыл бұрын
1:01 blocks still have 352" cast into them...
@ajw6715
@ajw6715 3 жыл бұрын
The owner should have went the extra with the 427 and sleeved it back to stock. Do it right the first time and be done.
@WhippJunior
@WhippJunior 3 жыл бұрын
My first thought too.
@victorparra4227
@victorparra4227 3 жыл бұрын
My first thought also
@hotpuppy1
@hotpuppy1 3 жыл бұрын
Putting sleeves in all 8 would be a little expensive (!). There has to be a better core to use than this turd. If you are spending a lot for a "rebuilt" engine, you had better be able to take off the valve covers and pan to at least have a look inside. If the owner won't let you, pass on it. Ask for receipts too. I got burned with a stock used SB Chev. It was supposed to be a 305--it was a 350 (Good). However, the block was cracked in the lifter valley (Bad). Didn't make enough selling parts from it to cover the original cost.
@GhostOfRT300
@GhostOfRT300 3 жыл бұрын
I wondered why he simply didn’t do that too?
@mark006868
@mark006868 3 жыл бұрын
In fact....machining all 8 for sleeves would require removing so much of the block that it would effectively weaken the block even more....as the replacement sleeves are just press-fit....and do not return the bock to it's former strength..." sleeving it back to stock' is impossible as in stock form there are no sleeves....that being said...some strength can be added after a 40 over machining by partially filling the block with HARD BLOK WATER JACKET FILLER is a specially formulated, cement-based product with refined, size-graded iron particles combined at an optimum ratio to provide maximum strength, vibration dampening, and heat dissipation required in high performance race engines. Its coefficient of thermal expansion is identical to cast iron engine blocks.....just saying
@user-vr2tx4tt6b
@user-vr2tx4tt6b 3 жыл бұрын
That lifter closed solid at start-up when the rocker hit the valve cover.
@StrangerTurboRanger
@StrangerTurboRanger 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Could re purpose the cheap valve covers by cutting them open along top,front and rear edges and bending them open. Did that to a pair for a SBF valve covers I pulled out of my junk pile. I had to straighten out some questionable valve geometry . Was able to run the engine without flinging oil all over the inner fenders that way. When I got to work on it it was already assembled and in the car. Customer claimed it was a "Mexican" 302 block (did not research the block). Had ported 351 heads with 289 crank and rods, roller cam and rockers .020 overbore,fully balanced. all ARP fasteners, and geared cam drive. I had talked him through the build and everything was assembled correctly , Somewhere within this Frankenstein's creation the new push rods were ordered too short and installed valve stem height was a little too tall to work right. Failed to calculate for the push rod guide plates I guess. Fix was: Double row roller timing chain ( Because the gear drive was just a stupid noise maker and I refused to touch the engine as long as it was on there.) longer push rods to get the sweep of the rollers centered on the valve stems. Set the valves like doing an old school small block Chevy.( the cut open valve covers worked great for that.) Turned out to be a very rev happy small block Ford.
@Drpapo1
@Drpapo1 3 жыл бұрын
Best part is he ran it for 20mins and revved up and down knowing it was hitting. This guy doesn't seem legit
@timfarmer648
@timfarmer648 3 жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking. Then when I saw the valve cover I said that's what I know 🤠
@P_RO_
@P_RO_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@Drpapo1 Ain't very bright to keep running an engine when you know something is definitely wrong with it. Shut it down, fix the problem, try again.
@keithgrayson8510
@keithgrayson8510 3 жыл бұрын
@@Drpapo1 I kinda tripped on that too, lol what about shavings? I had an old Yamaha Virago 750 cc motorcycle that the starter and drive was screwed up, a bad design flaw caused them to sound like a rock crushing machine and when I pulled a side cover off the bike one time I saw it had a magnet to catch metal shavings and it was so full of shavings it looked like a porcupine! I imagined that except without a magnet to catch it all.
@perryrose8843
@perryrose8843 3 жыл бұрын
I ran a 427 medium riser Ford engine back in the mid 70's. This 427 in the video should have medium riser heads with fully machined combustion chambers, huge intake ports, a tunnel wedge intake manifold, 2 x 4's and sodium filled exhaust valves. Which break a a drop of the hat. Solid lifter cam as stated here numerous times and pop up pistons. Mine had 12.5:1 compression. Tons of power. The heads on the video engine are killing it.
@hectorortega9131
@hectorortega9131 Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@thomasclerke4725
@thomasclerke4725 7 ай бұрын
Yep. But the Tunnel port was a different motor.
@gpt5002
@gpt5002 6 ай бұрын
The dude should had ran the lash down to begin with until it opened the valves slightly then backed off to get his lash. At least 1 of 16 your telling me he didn’t accidentally do that and realize then these were hydraulic lifters? I’m amazed of how much money ppl get paid to fk things up lol
@johnandrews6872
@johnandrews6872 3 жыл бұрын
I love that this man is old school, do what need to be done.
@kirksmith8676
@kirksmith8676 3 жыл бұрын
You have the wrong rocker arms you got solid cam rocker arms on a hydraulic engine
@413x398
@413x398 3 жыл бұрын
@@kirksmith8676 Block is not made for hydraulics, hence big problem. Also, you can run adjustables on hydraulic cams all day long. Allows pre-load of your choice and a slightly better ratio.
@thegdfp6447
@thegdfp6447 3 жыл бұрын
It's a hydraulic lifter block. But, my guess is the lifters (available now) were SBF ones, with a different oil band location so they leaked. And, if they had the usual .125 higher pushrod seat than an FE, the adjusters had to be backed way out, and hit the valve cover breather.
@413x398
@413x398 3 жыл бұрын
@@thegdfp6447 How do you know it's a juice block?
@thegdfp6447
@thegdfp6447 3 жыл бұрын
@@413x398 look at the plugs in the lifter valley. Those bosses are not drilled in top-oiler solid lifter blocks.
@robflammia4716
@robflammia4716 3 жыл бұрын
Get rid of those chinese valve covers
@cobracharmer6178
@cobracharmer6178 3 жыл бұрын
@@judythomas2939 ; My good friend told me Comp Cams are also from China.
@FalconXE302
@FalconXE302 3 жыл бұрын
Lets not bring nationalities into Nicks Garage.... after all he's got flags from everywhere hanging around. Plus, the notion that everything from China is poor quality is simply silly. Recently, I had to replace the water pump on my LS1... My mechanic purchased a USA made item that turned out to be out of round, unbalanced and did not come with a thermostat... the only other one available due to Covid shipping issues was a cheap Chinese brand, which came with a better finish, perfectly round and balanced, and had the thermostat included. In this case, Chinese made was better than USA made.... and you don't have to tell me how surprised I was, as I said initially to him that I would prefer the USA made item even though it was twice the price. A little history... When I was a kid, everything from Japan was called "Jap Crap"... I'm not sure anyone would now call items made in Japan that as we all know, Japanese products are generally high quality.
@robflammia4716
@robflammia4716 3 жыл бұрын
Don't get me started gm stuff IS china stuff...all junk
@broiven2680
@broiven2680 3 жыл бұрын
@@FalconXE302 Have you ever tried Dollarama's can opener?
@mikestackhouse9001
@mikestackhouse9001 3 жыл бұрын
@@FalconXE302 Miniature toys, windups, stereo components from Japan are treasured. All my HiFi is Japan made.
@larryhillstad7450
@larryhillstad7450 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how Nick tells it like it is, and he speaks from experience. I think he is one of the most honest builders out there. I've got a good shop where my car has been worked on, but if I lived close to Montreal, Nick would be the one! Thanks so much for putting out these videos!
@rockets4kids
@rockets4kids Жыл бұрын
I only wish he could be a little more concise. Eight minutes in and he's said the same thing three times. I can't justify another 35 minutes. Which is a shame, because I would like to know how things turned out.
@asbelfernandez3598
@asbelfernandez3598 Жыл бұрын
Dude you got to be kidding unbelievable the antics in that DYNAMOMETER room a bunch of rookie mistakes going on at this place hearts believe how successful some of these shops can become when your customers don't know what they're looking at any song and dances is entertaining old Nicki boy is one helluva businessman
@confuse3671
@confuse3671 3 жыл бұрын
Love the videos where things don't go perfect. We all learn a lot from them. Keep it real.
@paulshirtliff5972
@paulshirtliff5972 6 ай бұрын
That is ameture. terrible. Holy crap that was bad
@nickpanaritis4122
@nickpanaritis4122 3 жыл бұрын
We thought of going 8 sleeves, machine work and 8 new pistons. Way over budget. My client wanted a true blue 427 Ford Block. After all, days later my client and I had put it to the pace and also ran it it a few times at 210 degrees F and had no issues.
@frankmoore159
@frankmoore159 3 жыл бұрын
Great job nick
@frankmoore159
@frankmoore159 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely a rare block didn’t see em much back in the early 80’s maybe in a Galaxy 67’ with a 427 badge different badge that 427 dual quad
@Hanzyscure
@Hanzyscure 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent educational video as usual from Nick and George.
@RichardMLowe
@RichardMLowe 3 жыл бұрын
✌🏼🤘🏻✊🏽💯 You still ROCK
@RichardMLowe
@RichardMLowe 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hanzyscure BIG TIME
@thecelticprince4949
@thecelticprince4949 3 жыл бұрын
"It's alive." Frankenford lives thanks to Dr Nick. Your worst nightmare is about to hit the streets.
@MrBoomer513
@MrBoomer513 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so intrigued 🤔
@daviddntait
@daviddntait 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing a seasoned old timer run around checking everything frantically makes me feel normal! I always get that way during a cam break-in. Squeezing ass the whole time haha! Great job Nick. Respect
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
Thats why I wont use flat tappet cams anymore. Rollers for everything..
@BobbyTucker
@BobbyTucker 3 жыл бұрын
What we all know is when this engine is fired up in the 67 Mustang, it's going to be right. Nick, we all have our utmost confidence in you. God Bless.
@cammontreuil7509
@cammontreuil7509 2 жыл бұрын
I would not have him touch my Ford.
@raullevine3473
@raullevine3473 2 жыл бұрын
This guy Nick is a Hack. I wouldn’t have him work in anything of mine.
@aaronkeiser6349
@aaronkeiser6349 3 жыл бұрын
My dad and I smoked a cam on a fresh 460 Ford because the rockers hit the cheap Ebay special valve covers. We never made that mistake every again.
@joepimental6938
@joepimental6938 3 жыл бұрын
NOT a coincidence front lifters puyshing against the cover. I would not run it / rev! it with the rocker hits. The cam is pushing .5 inch and the cover is stopping it - only a hydraulic lifter would keep from destroying the cam lobe. A solid - goodbye. The hydraulic lifter would be fucked from this.
@davidkeeton6716
@davidkeeton6716 3 жыл бұрын
@@joepimental6938 The interference problem was at the rear on the passenger side, but the collapsed lifter is at the very front, and the rocker wasn't hitting anything there, the inside of the cover looked fine at the front of the engine on that side. If it was mine it would come off the dyno, I'd pull the galley plugs out of the back of the block and then pull the rocker train off both sides, pull the intake and all the lifters and run a wire or blow thru the lifter bore holes to make sure they were all clear and then put in a new set of lifters and put it back together with some valve covers that clear and dyno it again. Whew..they all don't just snap together, some you have to work at, ANY brand.
@HammerHeadGarage
@HammerHeadGarage 3 жыл бұрын
The quality of alot of hydraulic flat tappet lifter's now are really bad. I know roller is more money but for me, that is all I will use, and have not had any failures.
@DBSSTEELER
@DBSSTEELER 3 жыл бұрын
And since the motor oil doesn't have zinc and phosphorus anymore you don't have to worry about wiping cam lobes and they make more power. I don't know why Nick is so wedded to flat tappet cams.
@theanomalous1401
@theanomalous1401 3 жыл бұрын
Judging by all of the stuff Nick had to do just to get get it to the dyno. Money seems to not be a big i$$ue.
@Terminxman
@Terminxman 3 жыл бұрын
It's also stressful breaking them in, look how he's running around. It's a risky thing. I had a 390 FE built recently and broke it in when I installed it, or attempted too, had issues with my fuel system and only got to run it for like 8-10 minutes the first shot and it was lean. Then next try found out apparently the stock old radiator I had wasn't adequate. No ticking/knocking yet but the cam could be gone in 50 miles. You never know, seems fine right now.
@dirtlump
@dirtlump 3 жыл бұрын
WHAT "Roller" Cams are you running ? Do you mean "Hydraulic" Roller Cams ? Which in this Engine's case if there is a pre-existing condition within this engine that won't allow these "Hydraulic" Lifters to pump up that are at the FRONT of the engine on both banks ? as Nick described ?..... what makes you believe the "Hydraulic" Roller Lifters will pump up against the even greater V/Spring pressure and V/Spring rates used in Hydraulic Rollers ? While I agree and we have seen an absolute explosion in garbage Hydraulic Flat tappet Lifters in almost everyone Boxes(coming from CHINA being reboxed)..... in this case some diagnostics are warranted first in order to validate that it is in fact a "Lifter" problem and NOT in this Block, especially given it's questionable history.
@Terminxman
@Terminxman 3 жыл бұрын
@@dirtlump Most people refer to hydraulic roller cams as simply roller cams. Also there are roller cam kits for FEs like with most engines. I'm not sure how Nick fixed this as it didn't really explain but FEs as far as I know except for very rare blocks were designed for hydraulic lifters.
@richdelgatto2522
@richdelgatto2522 3 жыл бұрын
Is that a 'orange can of death' cheapo fram oil filter? I have heard for 35yr+ not to use them.
@jonathanlawson4667
@jonathanlawson4667 3 жыл бұрын
Well they was decent filters up until around twenty years ago when they changed hands and started making there filter material out of cheap ass paper
@johnpapa8681
@johnpapa8681 3 жыл бұрын
I am a retired mechanic who was raised by an auto mechanic who wouldn't use any Fram filters.
@jonathanlawson4667
@jonathanlawson4667 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnpapa8681 I wouldn't put one on a lawnmower 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@alannapartin4728
@alannapartin4728 3 жыл бұрын
they can blow apart on an FE
@overbuiltautomotive1299
@overbuiltautomotive1299 3 жыл бұрын
agreed silly lay out in side use an stp first lol but really a wix or toyota ford are ok a few more balwin etc
@donaldzullo2829
@donaldzullo2829 Жыл бұрын
NICK IS OLD SCHOOL HE IS THE BEST KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK YOU HAVE A GREAT SHOW.
@scottb8175
@scottb8175 3 жыл бұрын
Nick - the 63-67 427 Ford block doesn't have lifter oil galleries at all - the engine block is only designed for use with solid lifters. The lifter bores only get oil from the return oil draining from the heads (rocker shafts) back down through the lifter valley, and splash from the cam. You can't use hydraulic lifters in any 427 block except the 68. The Top Oiler 427 also must use grooved cam bearings to send oil to the top crank bearings, or the crank journals won't get oil either, and the holes in the special cam bearing that sends oil up to the rocker pedestal also needs to be installed in the correct position and carefully aligned or the oil to the rockers will be restricted too.
@Liam-zw1ek
@Liam-zw1ek 10 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@davidriccitiello6421
@davidriccitiello6421 3 жыл бұрын
Nick I'm surprised you ran it that long with the noise even tho you thought it was the valve cover. Especially with internal baffles, they can snap off, there only spot welded. Could have caused more problems if small metal pieces got into the motor. Just my opinion, I would have shut it down.
@anthonyc1883
@anthonyc1883 3 жыл бұрын
The size of that gouge on the underside of the valve covers looked scary. Metal banging away on metal, that sure didn't sound healthy.
@davidriccitiello6421
@davidriccitiello6421 3 жыл бұрын
There was just to much wrong with the motor from the start, then a noise at breaking in the cam. The cam itself could have wiped out along with rockers and down the line. This history on this motor alone would have got everything new after finding used bearings and unbalanced lower end. I'm not even happy with min linear thicknesses in the cylinders, you know he will plant his foot down once that motor gets installed, that cylinder will crack.
@davidriccitiello6421
@davidriccitiello6421 3 жыл бұрын
So nick, do you like Fords lol
@davidriccitiello6421
@davidriccitiello6421 2 жыл бұрын
@@dwtees read what I wrote about metal getting in the valve train or pan. Your going to tell all viewers that it's not possible for that to happen? Tells me your a back yard duct tape guy. You could only dream what I built. I usually don't smack on people like you just did, but you deserve it.
@davidriccitiello6421
@davidriccitiello6421 2 жыл бұрын
@@dwtees when you have a rocker rubbing up on a baffle, it will shave it down. Why you keep saying about metal making its way into the oil Pan? You have valve springs in that motor? You have keepers on the retainers? What would happen if a piece of metal lodged into the spring? Your on your way to drop a valve. You mention a socket you left or somehow ended up in your motor, a socket has weight to it. I doubt it would be sucked up against the oil screen, only small pieces make it through. It's not going to float like shavings or pieces small enough to float. I'm not sure of your age, but I built 440's 426's besides over a ton of chevy small block and big block motors my entire life, been building since 1972. For you to start your wise ass comments in my post was uncalled for. I emphasized it was only my opinion at the end of the post, and you have to pop in and say " I don't know about motors " I'm still racing and build my motors. I also built many for drag boats. I'm not here to give you my resume, but I'm sure If you look hard enough you might apologize. You will find us in a few Hot Rod Mags. If it wasn't for my partner to pass, I would still be building for others. I had my own shop, but everyone has to retire one day, but I still race. Quit criticizing everyone's comments and just give opinions instead Mr Garlits.
@SuperMulletguy
@SuperMulletguy 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing nick at work takes me back to the brainstorming my dad and his buddies would do over old chevelles. Love seeing him test and tune🥇💥
@bandagefreak
@bandagefreak 3 жыл бұрын
Well, that had me on the edge of my seat right until the end! Fabulous to see an old Ford on the dyno for a change and delighted to see it was all good in the end. I'd love to see that engine installed in your customer's Mustang!
@AndieBlack13
@AndieBlack13 3 жыл бұрын
Needs the old "Pentroof" 427 valve-covers...in chrome of course.
@johnvoss5317
@johnvoss5317 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, where'd they come up with those square tops
@davidkeeton6716
@davidkeeton6716 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnvoss5317 Those are either Mr. Gasket or Cal Chrome, my best guess. I sold a lot of them from '78-'88.
@davidkeeton6716
@davidkeeton6716 3 жыл бұрын
Even the stock valve covers from a '65-'66 352 either painted or chromed look better than these, but I sold a lot of them.
@chuckschillingvideos
@chuckschillingvideos 2 жыл бұрын
The valve cover clearance issue is actually the very least of this engine's issues.
@Turbo4Joe363
@Turbo4Joe363 2 жыл бұрын
Yep! Why use those boring valve covers that look like a BB Chevy on your FORD 427 FE....jeez. Chrome pentroof FTW.
@GhostOfRT300
@GhostOfRT300 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a privilege to watch Nick ‘the professor’ at work, and with George filming we get to see everything that Nick’s sees - and hears!
@g.cooney6599
@g.cooney6599 3 жыл бұрын
A nice touch is watching Nick checking things over from one side of the engine to the other ( he figured out the valve cover interference right away) and as he is doing this Nick takes his microphone right along with him and we get to hear what he hears! Excellent! You have to come to Nick's Garage for this!
@fenatic7484
@fenatic7484 2 жыл бұрын
Also Nick the cylinders are numbered 1234 down the passenger side and the 5678 are on the drivers side. Those rockers sound like they are not getting oil. The block is a solid lifter block the 427 was built for racing. That clacking is the lifters running dry and losing lash. Any 427 will make 425 hp. I hear the cam knocking it is only splash oiling! I really believe that this a solid lifter block or a 428 that someone who has tried to make a 427 of. I have sleeved worn out 427 blocks down to 4.185. And offset ground a 391 dump truck crank to 3.935 and had 433 ci and it made 625 hp and 576 lbs ft of tq. And drove it to school in high school in my 67 Mustang fastback.
@michaelswanson7881
@michaelswanson7881 3 жыл бұрын
Why not just sleeve it all back to stock and KNOW it is stronger.
@jonathanlawson4667
@jonathanlawson4667 3 жыл бұрын
Be more trouble to sleeve that motor than it's worth to be honest
@davelowets
@davelowets 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it would likely be cheaper to find another block.
@edward88yahoo
@edward88yahoo 2 жыл бұрын
If memory serves me correctly in order to sleeve an engine you would have to bore 60 over
@carlhess512
@carlhess512 3 жыл бұрын
My brother has a few sets of factory cast iron headers for that engine. He has 2 or 3 complete 427 dual 4’s engines. One in a 63 1/2 Galaxy 500 XL. Bad ass engine and gobs of torque
@tomquinn607
@tomquinn607 3 жыл бұрын
Something to see Nick putting his hands on the engine to evaluate its running. Maestro!
@slabbusterrtr7690
@slabbusterrtr7690 3 жыл бұрын
He should've shut it down soon as he heard the noise couldve be been bad to keep running it
@danielwatson8066
@danielwatson8066 2 жыл бұрын
He's bound and determined to keep that thing running for 20 minutes isn't he
@timmythemouse6439
@timmythemouse6439 2 жыл бұрын
I think the problem Nick was having with the lifters not pumping up was because he was working on a 1967 Ford 427. From 1963-1967, Ford 427s were all solid lifter cams and had no provisions for a hydraulic cam. In 1968, Ford offered a 427 with an oiling system that supported hydraulic lifters. If Nick's 427 was a side oiler, solid lifter only. The center oiler supported hydraulics.
@cammontreuil7509
@cammontreuil7509 2 жыл бұрын
Nick doesn't know Ford's like he does a Mopar.
@rickyrobertson8064
@rickyrobertson8064 3 жыл бұрын
I quit turning wrenches after 16 years behind a string of stories like this. Not to mention $600/week tool bill.
@serget2168
@serget2168 3 жыл бұрын
You could see the worrisome on Nick's face he's like man please don't plow up
@eribertoacedo9505
@eribertoacedo9505 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Nick can’t wait to see this like always love your program very knowledgeable and I’m learning quite a bit as I watch how you deal with these issues thank you Nick well I’ll sit back and watch!
@williamsanders468
@williamsanders468 3 жыл бұрын
Never change Nick, love how you aren’t completely to 1 single brand and can do a 427 and the next day do a 426
@bluecollar58
@bluecollar58 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for finishing that up , I thought you were going to leave us hanging for a minute. 👍
@smokeskull
@smokeskull 3 жыл бұрын
After removing the intake, you will see two plugs in the middle back of the lifter valley. This is where the center main oil gallery is drilled down to connect to those lifter galleries. Those galleries can be blocked off. The hole down to the gallery measures 11/32" (the same size as a small block valve stem) The easiest way to block those galleries, is to cut off a section of valve stem 1-1/8" long, and insert it down in each of the two holes. It won't fit super tight, but it will be plenty well enough. Some oil will still get by, but it will work pretty good. This is a highly recommended modification for FE's with solid cams. Of course it cannot be done when using hydraulic lifters. As for oil to the rockers, it can be restricted too. This is VERY common practice. Most people just take a #90 Holley carburetor jet and place it under the rocker stand where the oil comes up. For racing, etc... some people go smaller, but the #90 jet works well without being too small. This is a good mod, even for hydraulic cammed engines.
@scottb8175
@scottb8175 3 жыл бұрын
Are you referring to the 427 or the garden variety top oiler? I've only seen one top oiler cross bolted 427 block, a 1964 marine engine, and it didn't have lifter galleries drilled at all. Absolutely no way it would work with hydraulic cams without extensive machining modifications to the block.
@salvadordollyparton666
@salvadordollyparton666 Жыл бұрын
@@scottb8175 they were all top oilers before 65.
@Bumblebee4788
@Bumblebee4788 3 жыл бұрын
Really Nick? The orange Fram Filter?
@robintaylor1490
@robintaylor1490 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@joereiner8820
@joereiner8820 3 жыл бұрын
I remember rebuilding one or two in my early years and they had solid lifters that’s why they have adjustable rockers .
@romattmatt3923
@romattmatt3923 2 жыл бұрын
Thats right. A true 427 ford does not even have the oil passages drilled out for hydraulic lifters. From all of the 427 FE blocks I have seen. If I recall, he said it was not a cross bolt block.
@HammerHeadGarage
@HammerHeadGarage 3 жыл бұрын
Thank the Lord for the Big Block Ford.
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage 3 жыл бұрын
Just what a 67 Mustang needs.
@Scalihoo
@Scalihoo 3 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickScottlxw Pat Ford made 427's as well
@PatrickScottlxw
@PatrickScottlxw 3 жыл бұрын
@@Scalihoo only 427 ik of is a stroker 351w maybe the people I was around called the 427 a 428/429 no knowing hard to say
@peteloomis8456
@peteloomis8456 3 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickScottlxw Ford made a 427 a center oiler & side oiler & the Shelby Cobra original from Carol Shelby were 427 big block Ford's . I worked for a guy who had a 53 ft semi trailer that was filled back to front with old rare engines he & the rest of our workers rebuilt them to new & one was a Ford 427 side oiler as well as a 392 Chrysler Hemi & a 50s Hudson Hornet twin HH power 6 engine as well as bunch of others stored in the trailer all rebuilt & detailed like they came off the show room. He had so many engines for a while he didn't have the room to store them all & had to use the trailer for a while until the new shop was built . He specializes in transmission rebuilding & makes flywheels & adapter plates to fit modern GM 700/R4s behind old engines for guys who want to upgrade to a modern more efficient trans that get better fuel economy & are more reliable because some of the older automatic or fluid drive transmissions are hard to even get rebuild kits for them or they just aren't very reliable . The shop is called Bendtsens transmission rebuilding in or was in Ham lake Minnesota . He has his own machine shop to use to make the parts to do these swaps & he used to have us also make flywheels & floor shifters as well that were custom made in house for different applications .
@alanmyers5081
@alanmyers5081 3 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickScottlxw just because you don’t know of one doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Do a little research on the legendary ford engine that spanked Ferrari’s best V-12’s at Le Mans.
@theanomalous1401
@theanomalous1401 3 жыл бұрын
I hope I'm not the first or one of the only viewers to give a huge thumbs up 👍🏼 to George for all of his absolutely magnificent production work on Nick's Garage. I sincerely mean that George. I'm sure that it's hard enough to shoot the content, edit, add your voice-overs, and musical score. But it's obvious that you take it a step further, and it shows. Nick's content is entertaining and informative to us gearheads as it is. Because of your extraordinary talents George, Nick's Garage is show quality content, worthy of special recognition. Bravo George! Bien joué. J'apprécie à la fois votre talent et votre engagement envers votre métier. Merci.
@novanut1964
@novanut1964 3 жыл бұрын
You reminded me of a conductor of a symphony orchestra, the way you moved around constantly checking vibrations and noises, well trained ears for anything out of the ordinary, during the crucial break in period, thanks for the good video.
@richardtidd2738
@richardtidd2738 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick, Great job on the 427.For the Ford fans check out the cross-bolted main bearing caps around the 38 minute mark. Quick way to spot the real deal. A lot of these motors also found their way into speedboats back in the day too ! Great camera work also. Thank you.
@joe-hp4nk
@joe-hp4nk 3 жыл бұрын
That engine will need a very reliable cool system.
@larryernst6349
@larryernst6349 3 жыл бұрын
Thx for the great videos, your videos are not "sugar" coated, you show us the real world, with all your experience and knowledge things can still be a challenge, your determination to try to make it work despite budgetary restraints is encouraging
@fenatic7484
@fenatic7484 2 жыл бұрын
Nick, Replace the cam and Lifters make certain that the cam bearings have grooves in 2 and 4 journals. Also the rear cam plug installs backwards with the flat side out. Sleeving the two, great idea. It is very unlikely that it is drilled for a hydraulic cam. Only the 67 Cougar only had hydraulic lifters and If 2 and 4 cam journals are not d grooved, you have no oiling to the rockershafts, and a solid requires adjustable rockers and exact lash. I would go back to basics here. A 390 stock makes more power than that. I believe that it not built correctly. Contact Barry Robotnik in Detroit and confer with him. He is an expert who will be very helpful. He has written many excellent books to address these ideaosynchrocies
@taylormoses5884
@taylormoses5884 Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking worn lobes on the cam
@gordocarbo
@gordocarbo 10 ай бұрын
@@taylormoses5884 Block calls for solid lifter cam only , that hyd will never work and tear things up. Poor guy probably spent a fortune on old junk .
@drew8256
@drew8256 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing amount of work, great job! Makes you appreciate seeing cars run at the track of at car shows what goes into the process.
@jimjungle1397
@jimjungle1397 3 жыл бұрын
The Ford 427 has different oil galley plugs for solid lifters and hydraulic lifters. The post-1967 (1968 and later) replacement 427 blocks originally came with one additional plug for lifter change.
@79tazman
@79tazman 3 жыл бұрын
yeah but they all pumped up except a few lifters that's defective lifters in my opinion
@RichardMLowe
@RichardMLowe 3 жыл бұрын
Now that sounds logical
@josephtravers777
@josephtravers777 3 жыл бұрын
It's his $$ but I can't see replicating an expensive de-tuned engine. Could spend much less to create the same power numbers with a 390. 427 needs that solid-lifter cam for the short stroke/ big bore it has. It's the big block version of the 289.
@RichardMLowe
@RichardMLowe 3 жыл бұрын
@@josephtravers777 Never looked at it like that but it's true from a mechanical standpoint
@RichardMLowe
@RichardMLowe 3 жыл бұрын
@Cam montreuil engines how do you know ... With your negative comment about a VERY GREAT MAN Do you have trillions of people beating your door down wanting you to work on their vehicles??? I don't think so cause you are like the 3 people that agreed with you Me?.... Nick carries weight and is far SUPERIOR than you'll ever be and you will never excel in life with that kind of attitude towards such a fantastic person
@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930
@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930 3 жыл бұрын
Nick, I know a guy in Ripley Tn. that has 50+ years of experience with those engines and he also has several FE engines,and many Ford vehicles from that era if you need further help or parts he'd be the one to contact.
@ronniefarnsworth6465
@ronniefarnsworth6465 3 жыл бұрын
Nick next time your "Friend" wants to go buy and engine or parts ....... Please go with him !!! Lol : D
@rhyoliteaquacade
@rhyoliteaquacade 3 жыл бұрын
I think Nick found the engine for him. He owns the problem. Ford has there own idiosyncrasies. He should have consulted a Ford expert on the build.
@pattygq
@pattygq 3 жыл бұрын
With each video Nick puts out I'm learning more and more. Thank you.
@garygraham2513
@garygraham2513 3 жыл бұрын
I am officially renaming this day of the week "Nickday"! Best day of the week!
@rickharper1497
@rickharper1497 3 жыл бұрын
Back in the day when I was helping a mechanic, he had valve covers cut out so he could see that the lifters were oiling and could adjust valve lash while running
@victorparra4227
@victorparra4227 3 жыл бұрын
I do that too
@peteloomis8456
@peteloomis8456 3 жыл бұрын
Many did that on SBC engines & they used to sell lash caps that would direct the oil back towards the valve so it wouldn't splash oil all over when setting rockers while running with the valve cover off.
@Thomas63r2
@Thomas63r2 3 жыл бұрын
The Ford 427 was rare when new - even Shelby had a hard time getting them. I like FE Fords, but at this point in time a lot of used 427 parts have been run too hard and had too much machining done, so a lot of guys have similar nightmare builds.
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
All used up..
@Thomas63r2
@Thomas63r2 3 жыл бұрын
@@davelowets Yup. The FE, and more specifically the 427 FE, are much loved by hard core classic Ford "Total Performance" fans - and that is why there are new aftermarket blocks etc., parts available (in small numbers for high prices) for the builder who absolutely has to have a 427 Ford. Going back to even older engines loved by hot rodders, for some years now it is damn near impossible to find a flathead Ford V8 block that is crack free or that hasn't been excessively machined.
@billb410
@billb410 2 жыл бұрын
Before the virus you could buy new reproduction blocks, heads, anything needed to build one.
@davidthayer6969
@davidthayer6969 2 жыл бұрын
No I just built a brand new 427 side oiler, the only nighmares happen when you use junk.
@jonlennon3348
@jonlennon3348 3 жыл бұрын
Here is one other note I thought only 1968 blocks were drilled for hydraulic lifter oil passages, I may be wrong but check it out.
@steveford6373
@steveford6373 3 жыл бұрын
All side oiler blocks can use hydraulic lifters as they have the correctly drilled lifter gallery's.
@spicyneuron
@spicyneuron 3 жыл бұрын
Nick, thanks for having this filmed. Very interesting watching a master at work!
@MichaelSmith-nd4rr
@MichaelSmith-nd4rr 3 жыл бұрын
Im an FE guy and i would have walked from that block
@Johnnycdrums
@Johnnycdrums 3 жыл бұрын
It probably came from marine application, I've seen them in cabin crusiers. At least it wasn't a 427 R that they butchered. These are medium block engines and not meant to be overbored.
@rikiwakwak
@rikiwakwak 2 жыл бұрын
Best engine restorer on earth right here yall. Getting harder and harder to find a builder with Nicks experience and craftsmanship. Hope to let him look at my engine someday
@autoshotty
@autoshotty 3 жыл бұрын
Shame on the builder...That beast needs solid tappets and dual quads.
@strattuner
@strattuner 3 жыл бұрын
damn skippy, just those two additions plus excellent compression,say 10.5 to one and a new set of hookers and it'll fly,my buds did,need 105 octane to make muscle engines comfy
@CJDUBstang
@CJDUBstang 3 жыл бұрын
@Mike Smithey hes been dead for like a year
@davenorman8251
@davenorman8251 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I like crate engines..a lot less head scratchin
@kylec166
@kylec166 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly might be more money but it's worth it.
@olderthanyoucali8512
@olderthanyoucali8512 3 жыл бұрын
Not all crate engines are quality products!
@douglassopa2544
@douglassopa2544 3 жыл бұрын
bought a pair of does same covers for my fe. what a pain they are. no baffles in mine. carfull when adding oil. cuz oil winds up in da cylinder good job dr nick,,
@FRLN500
@FRLN500 3 жыл бұрын
The valve covers are made to fit the non-adjustable rocker arms that are used with hydraulic lifters. These adjustable rockers are for use with solid lifters and require the taller 427 valve covers.
@stephencollins3294
@stephencollins3294 Жыл бұрын
Good point
@LanceRyerson
@LanceRyerson 7 ай бұрын
Yes, I agree, taller rocker covers are definitely needed! I used to build lots of 390/406/427's but for any performance street engine or up, I very often used the 427 adjustable rocker arms because they are great to get the hydraulic lifters adjusted right in the middle of the lifter plunger stroke. Thus you didn't have to struggle with many different pushrod lengths (back then, I had coffee cans full of used but good pushrods for hydraulic lifters) Also, 427 rockers are 1.73-1 vs hydraulic rockers which are 1.71-1 so, opens the valves slightly more w/ more performance too. Thanks for this great!! video. @@stephencollins3294
@ajw6715
@ajw6715 3 жыл бұрын
He needs a set of the original powered by ford valve covers. The after market valve covers don't look right.
@Terminxman
@Terminxman 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, and some factory looking plug wires, not HEI
@victorparra4227
@victorparra4227 3 жыл бұрын
Will they add more power?
@Terminxman
@Terminxman 3 жыл бұрын
@@victorparra4227 They at least look good
@mikestrauss5513
@mikestrauss5513 3 жыл бұрын
When it’s your car just do what YOU want
@bigsparky8888
@bigsparky8888 3 жыл бұрын
I overhauled a friends 66 Fairlane 390...being shy of Ford FE Rod Cap positions...I put them on half set backwards...oops...didnt run it more than 10 minutes...pulled the pan & caught my mistake...bough a half set of rod bearings...did it right...345 HP and they got it back CORRECT!!! His wife drove it mainly...but she raced it...pleased to see it stayed together!!! No comebacks!!! I only use Michigan77 Bearings!!!
@electrix6751
@electrix6751 3 жыл бұрын
Those generic aftermarket Made in China valve covers have *GOT* to go! They take away from the original look of the 427 FE big block.
@BaronBoar
@BaronBoar Жыл бұрын
This guy Nick seems like an engine master, just in touch with the whole thing.
@charliechristie2949
@charliechristie2949 2 жыл бұрын
Its a good thing you caught the balancing nightmare. If you didn't fix it ,you would have been blamed when it pounded and spun the bearings !!!......You did it again, Nick. You have turned a boat anchor into a viable engine. More importantly, you saved a rare 427 Ford engine. Well done, Sir !
@lilo2469
@lilo2469 3 жыл бұрын
Rule of thumb NEVER trust the word of a seller, IMO ,but Dr Nick is in the emergency Room👍
@kimmorrison9169
@kimmorrison9169 3 жыл бұрын
hydraulic lifters on a 427? Should be solid lifters.
@skramy1957
@skramy1957 3 жыл бұрын
Yes i agree, rockers and pushrods are for solid lifters
@dmvfocusrs7591
@dmvfocusrs7591 3 жыл бұрын
He said it's a 67 top oiler, that means probable hydraulic lifters.
@scottb8175
@scottb8175 3 жыл бұрын
The ONLY 427 Ford block that can use hydraulic lifters is the 68....
@lilyrain7584
@lilyrain7584 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's the problem, this engine has to have solid lift, no hydraulic lifters!!! From John P and Gael in Ohio
@kimmorrison9169
@kimmorrison9169 3 жыл бұрын
@@dmvfocusrs7591 they quit making top oilers after 1964. Went side oilers in ‘65
@immrnoidall
@immrnoidall 3 жыл бұрын
love your show nick. so honest and real.
@DonnaChassie
@DonnaChassie 3 жыл бұрын
Nice active camera work. Thank You. I love watching other mechanics working and solving problems.
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@rickharper1497
@rickharper1497 3 жыл бұрын
Nick, I hate to say it but somebody seen this guy coming!!!
@mfc4591
@mfc4591 3 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking the same, owing to the other 'work' that was done expect a few surprises !
@WhippJunior
@WhippJunior 3 жыл бұрын
..and going.
@lacolello6644
@lacolello6644 3 жыл бұрын
That happened to me as well i got aponti 455 rebuilt .real dog
@Hot80s
@Hot80s 3 жыл бұрын
P.T. Barnum of Ford used engines.
@robertforget6369
@robertforget6369 3 жыл бұрын
its a wonder the push rods that were hitting valve cover didn't bend or break the lifters great show thanks Nick keep safe
@hkguitar1984
@hkguitar1984 10 ай бұрын
I would imagine those two lifters were stressed when the rocker impacted the valve cover. Lots of stress on the lifter being pushed from the Cam and unable to move the Rocker Arm and Rod. Replacing them would be best IMHO.
@mikemarshall1394
@mikemarshall1394 3 жыл бұрын
That "collapsed" lifter might have seen damage internally from the first time rocker hit cover baffle.
@throttlebottle5906
@throttlebottle5906 3 жыл бұрын
wrong end of the motor the one at rear of engine hit where the breather hole/baffle was inside, the front appeared to have plenty of space, where the collapsed lifter is. I'd think bum lifter from the start or it's not oiling it due to a block issue. hopefully not the case!
@randalltufts3321
@randalltufts3321 2 жыл бұрын
Looking at the oiling path on this engine will give you a big blaring clue. Its something some fe builders have had issues with at some point. Everything in this engine is tighter than a bugs behind. Look it over and see what conclusions you come to.
@vincentmalavolta6645
@vincentmalavolta6645 2 жыл бұрын
Damn right nick made a nono
@fenatic7484
@fenatic7484 2 жыл бұрын
@@vincentmalavolta6645 I think if it really is a 427 it is a solid lifter block. If it had been a 428 with thin bores you could be fairly sure it was a 390 or an FT block bored to a 428. I have taken 427 blocks and sleeved them back to 4.185 and offset ground a 391 FT steel crank to 3.9 for a happy 429 ci. 645 hp NA and almost 600 ft lbs and solid as a rock 8200 rpm engine with very little aftermarket parts. Ford Performance in those days had you covered. But in this case we have hydraulic lifters in a solid cam block. I have no doubt about it. They are all clattering and a 390 2V makes the same power.
@fenatic7484
@fenatic7484 2 жыл бұрын
@@randalltufts3321 The original E car engine was designed by very foreword thinking people. As it grew it was found to be capable of being the best and most durable racing engine in the world. It reached the peak of development and it is still competitive with any but the 67-68 Hemi Barracuda in NHRA SS competition. The Barracuda has a class of its own AS/ and then the class. RobertPond, Ray Paquet, and others in the 64 Ford TBolt 427. Rays car makes 920hp from 427 ci and pulls to 9200 rpms. I know that Nick respects them but it slips out that they are a pain in the ass. They are a challenge to build. I do wish they had made a 427 in the Mustang. It would have been cool to see Frank Bullits Mustang fastback and the Hemi Charger. Lol. I have found doing FE engines very gratifying through the years.
@justintime8793
@justintime8793 3 жыл бұрын
Love the show Nick. Thanks for all you do.
@carguy0000
@carguy0000 3 жыл бұрын
Another great Monday morning video, thx to Nick and his Crew >> on our racing engines we always started with .020 over , if possible
@easygoing2479
@easygoing2479 3 жыл бұрын
It's a bit unusual to see Nick show such trepidation on an initial start on the dyno. But even with the build (not his) being questionable with .040" over bore, excessive piston clearance, and heads ported to the max, Nick once again figured it out!
@nbrowser
@nbrowser Жыл бұрын
Always trust Dr.Nick, the man is a walking talking engine encyclopedia. He's probably forgotten more about engines than I've learned in my lifetime.
@kevinkeller4723
@kevinkeller4723 3 жыл бұрын
I have been watching you from the begining of your show and I am still hooked,Keep up the Good Work
@burningb2439
@burningb2439 3 жыл бұрын
" The 427 starts up without scattering itself over Nicks Dyno room " the narrator can be right funny , an I have never seen Bore walls that thin..
@davelowets
@davelowets 2 жыл бұрын
I have, and they won't just "blow up on the dyno". They just don't last long before the cylinder isn't round anymore, power is down, and the ring seal is gone.
@MrBoomer513
@MrBoomer513 3 жыл бұрын
im glad you did this video. I love rare engines and you're not a mechanic you're an artist!
@noahproblemo1257
@noahproblemo1257 3 жыл бұрын
Two sayings you don’t trust, "It been built man" and " It ain’t loaded." Both lead to heartache.
@keithgrayson8510
@keithgrayson8510 3 жыл бұрын
At age 15 I moved into my Uncles home in Coldwater canyon in the 90210 post office they call it, my Uncle was an actor and he ha d a car in his garage that I thought was a home made monster Austin Healy with a Rat motor, but no to my amazement it was a Ford! He took me for a ride and scared the daylights out of me, that car was brutal and terrifying! all aluminum it was a real 1967 AC Cobra 427, My Uncles best buddy another actor Reid Smith had one and their buddy Jim Levitz of Levitz furniture, he had an SC.
@danpatterson8009
@danpatterson8009 3 жыл бұрын
35:49 Idling 427 rattles like a sewing machine, Nick grimaces and shakes his head.
@richardwilliam3757
@richardwilliam3757 3 жыл бұрын
Those valve covers are for regular rockers not adjustable rockers like those for the 427 and 428SCJ’s
@413x398
@413x398 3 жыл бұрын
The SCJ's did not have adjustables.
@richardwilliam3757
@richardwilliam3757 3 жыл бұрын
@@413x398 Mine did but it must of had a solid lifter cam in it when I bought it. I like the fact that you can tell you have an SCJ by the counterweight behind the harmonic balancer and opening it up and seeing the Lemans rods with the cap screws.
@413x398
@413x398 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardwilliam3757 Crank is a 1UA, also.
@user-vr2tx4tt6b
@user-vr2tx4tt6b 3 жыл бұрын
When I was young and had little $, I bought a built 340 engine from a guy in another province. Got it home, checked some things & found it was run low on oil. I went to put the pan back on the engine and noticed something small in the oil at the bottom. It was a pc of a lash cap. That was it, took it all apart. Supposed to be fresh. Took the heads off and one of the pistons' domes caved in on disassembly. .. crumbled into pieces. Forged pistons - apparently the valve reliefs in the tops were fly-cut too thin. I took it to a shop in a town near me that was run by a racer with a good name. He actually welded the dome, re-cut them, re-balanced everything and re-assembled with new bearings etc. It was a 11.5:1 engine with a large cam. But once it was running, it was an excellent STRONG engine I had in my '69 GTS. Man, that thing revved up FAST. This video made me remember that time.
@darrenbrisson4336
@darrenbrisson4336 3 жыл бұрын
Watching the majic man do his thing the engine whisperer the muscle car man of the century if he can't make it run nobody can nicks the real deal were so lucky to have him right here in Canada
@craigsmith8217
@craigsmith8217 3 жыл бұрын
It's always interesting how you approach and solve problems.
@waynebowman2315
@waynebowman2315 2 жыл бұрын
The view of all those classic cars in your shop is amazing
@kevinklimek2828
@kevinklimek2828 6 ай бұрын
It is great to be able to watch a great mechanic like nick work and learn some things at the same time he is full of tips and tricks to make life simpler
@danielbutler3673
@danielbutler3673 3 жыл бұрын
Personally, I would have sleeved the whole block to standard bore if I wasn't seeking higher horsepower.
@chuckschillingvideos
@chuckschillingvideos 2 жыл бұрын
None of it makes any sense. If he wasn't looking for HP, he should have just dropped in a 351W and been done with it.
@jeffrykopis5468
@jeffrykopis5468 2 жыл бұрын
@@chuckschillingvideos People do stupid things to feed their ego. He COULD have put "Cobra 427" valve covers on a 390, and nobody would ever know the difference.
@edwinmuzzey7161
@edwinmuzzey7161 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffrykopis5468 427 has cross bolted mains
@jeffrykopis5468
@jeffrykopis5468 2 жыл бұрын
@@edwinmuzzey7161 Only hardcore hot rodders and FE guys would know that. Pretty hard to see those in the car. Most folks wouldn't know to look.
@79monte
@79monte 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe those lifters aren't getting any oil or they weren't allowed to pump up cause they were restricted and probably damaged them
@blarson8111
@blarson8111 3 жыл бұрын
That's what I'm thinking
@scottb8175
@scottb8175 3 жыл бұрын
The 63-67 427 was never designed for hydraulic lifters - you can only use solid lifters in those blocks.
@captdanz5597
@captdanz5597 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking also, definitely more than a coincidence
@brandonhumphries3377
@brandonhumphries3377 3 жыл бұрын
@@scottb8175 you are correct. And you see how much power was lost by making it a hydraulic lifter engine. A 425 rated horsepower engine , reduced to 375 horsepower.
@scottb8175
@scottb8175 3 жыл бұрын
@@brandonhumphries3377 Yes, probably way less duration and overlap than even the mildest of Ford's OE 427 solid cams - which made peak power at 6000 (and up). I remember watching a 'mild' (nearly all stock/no porting) 427 side oiler / medium riser with a 428 crank and stock profile solid cam make 480-ish HP / 540 lb-ft at 6000 on a single 4V Ford intake on premium pump gas at my then only local shop that had a engine dyno.
@stevesabbagh793
@stevesabbagh793 3 жыл бұрын
OK I am not a Ford 427 expert (351C enthusiast) but I seem to remember that the only hydraulic lifter version of the Ford 427 was the 1968 version and the solid lifter version of the block wasn't compatible with hydraulic lifters. They didn't put those 1968 427's into too many cars, just a few Cougars from what I remember from back in the day.
@JA-fn7le
@JA-fn7le 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome work Nick! My only thought is, the customer made a seriously bad choice only sleeving 2 cylinders. He's massively upside down so why not go all in and resleeve block in all 8 holes.
@TheRamGuy
@TheRamGuy 3 жыл бұрын
I just keep looking at that crappy partially blue painted Fram oil filter.
@mikek5298
@mikek5298 3 жыл бұрын
I have been using Fram filters for 35 years. Never, EVER had an oil related engine problem. Ever. I have owned over 40 different vehicles.
@TheRamGuy
@TheRamGuy 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikek5298 yeah well when compared to even a super tech Walmart brand oil filter they are junk. Maybe watch a Project Farm video or any channel where they cut open different oil filters to see how crappy they are unless you buy their super expensive ones. I mean they use cardboard in the damn things and if your engines lasted it’s not because of the filter rather you doing the maintenance itself. Btw I have owned 30 vehicles over the past 37 years and will never put another crappy Fram filter on any of them. I challenge you to buy a Fram and a cheap Supertech filter, cut them open and see for yourself
@TheRamGuy
@TheRamGuy 3 жыл бұрын
@Cam montreuil engines clearly
@TheRacerbrown
@TheRacerbrown 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRamGuy I run Wix or K & N.
@TheRamGuy
@TheRamGuy 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRacerbrown wix makes a great filter
@91rss
@91rss 3 жыл бұрын
we saw some 60's Ford powered buses with unlabelled 428 alum valve covers on them from the factory
@CJDUBstang
@CJDUBstang 3 жыл бұрын
baloney.
@tjeffjenkins6226
@tjeffjenkins6226 3 жыл бұрын
Dang, I thought I heard that on startup. Thanks for your thorough examination!
@tonyoliver5537
@tonyoliver5537 3 жыл бұрын
The customer should have just looked online and bought a gran torino gt with a 427-428 super cobra jet engine and transmission and used that as his motor.
@460duck
@460duck 3 жыл бұрын
They are not that easy to find,,if u find one,,it probably wont be for sale.
@jackfishcampbell6745
@jackfishcampbell6745 3 жыл бұрын
427 wasnt a cobra jet ,those would be 428 or later 429.
@CORVAIRWILD
@CORVAIRWILD 3 жыл бұрын
I have 25 classics! Maybe a 6.2 diesel '55 Chev is next?!?!
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage 3 жыл бұрын
Good morning!
@agentorange2554
@agentorange2554 3 жыл бұрын
Nick, Uncle Tony was saying the lifters these days are suspect at best. A lot of problems with brand new ones these days, not to mention the possibility of returns being put back on the shelf at the parts store. Check your new lifters to make sure they have not been put back in the box and put back on the shelf. People are wiping out brand new cams because of this. I would have went with new sleeves on the entire block. Dang you had it apart and had two redone already, that was the time to git 'er done!!!!!
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