you seem to be missing the fact that the london underground isnt automatic

@@ubahni yeah and also because how old the tube is, it really needs more maintenance than probably any other underground system 🤣

Has it been found to have a positive net cost-benefit or has it simply been assumed that it does?

That's what we shall find out once the service has started!

+Londonist Ltd that's great but the weekend is when we get the most work done on the track. 24 hour running will increase failures which will affect the day running when you really need it.

Tpavra Agreed no one uses it that much

I'd say NYC is a great example, but there's more that goes into that story.

Patrick: Oh boy it 3AM, Rides on the tube.

Or in Harrow. At least I can get to Wembley Park and get a cheap cab.

Could be worse, you could live in south east London and have no tube services at all...

Dave Bateman exactly! Croydon is the borough with the highest population in the Greater London area. Yet we have wasted stations like Roding Valley, the 5 Ruislips, Chesham, Amersham and Chorleywood which aren't even in greater London and no one lives there. It's a joke!

Apparently Roding Valley is one of the least used LU stations, with only 200,000 passengers a year. I've never understood why places like Amersham or Chesham have LU stations. Is it an offshoot of the old Metropolitan Railway's plans to become more of a suburban railway service or to do with 'Metroland'? I've never been to those towns, but I watched an episode of Midsomer Murders last night which was partly filmed in Chesham.

Liam Dowd you guys have trams for a reason........

Must agree, Rob

that's a good idea

They're ditching New Johnston?!

If the trains never stop running, when do they clean up the hazardous metallic and non-metallic particulate matter on the lines?

Same here in Vienna

Station is called Heathrow Terminals 1, 2 and 3. Should be renamed to Heathrow Central, to match the mainline service.

The station has been renamed _Heathrow Terminals 2 & 3_. Check here: content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf

It used to be called Heathrow Central when it first opened, before the loop and the T4 (and later T5) station was built. It's a pity the Piccadilly Line to Heathrow doesn't run overnight during the week as well as I would imagine it would be useful for people getting early morning flights rather than spending money on hotels or taxis/buses or for car parking.

I bet they are waiting for the new trains before introducing it because the Bakerloo line has the oldest trains

I bet that will happen once new trains come.

Certain that these services will not be regular or safety will be compromised. Big mouth idiot Boris Johnson opens his mouth without consulting LT engineers or staff. What could go wrong?

I believe with the NYC Subway you have 2 pairs of tracks for trains to run on so they can continue service on 1 set of tracks whilst the others are being maintained, but in London it's 1 pair of tracks

+Alasdair Clift few sections have that option, and some four tracks lines are in use at all hours. The two lines closest to my house are both two tracks.

They're homeless they're not going to have Oyster cards

Matt In Full Vision r/whooosh

It will open in 2021

It's shown at the end of the video

Yes, but not for a few more years yet until the signalling has been upgraded.

Google says that it might in 2020

Also, why not every night than Friday and Saturday nights?

They need time during the week to perform track maintenance, cleaning, etc ...

I’m from the future, and there is no night service to Battersea.

No it isn't

Well that’s that

The night tube is only running on weekends so they maintain it during the week

Passengers who live in the area and for people who may have got a late night flight and stayed around in heathrow for a bit whilst trying to get through border controls etc.

union problems , there was plans but union block it basically

The New York City Subway runs 24/7 since its opening in 1904...

It's not just union problems. You can't expect people to change to work at night at the drop of a hat for the same money. This should have been thought of and new people recruited right at the start. The safety issue was also a problem and i kind of agree with them. If when 7/7 happened there hadn't been staff on the trains to help the people out and get them to safety then the situation would have been a lot worse. Sure this kind of incident doesn't happen very often, but it still needs to be planned for and does cost money. Whether you like it or not the London Underground is a Victorian underground railway on the whole that hasn't been upgraded or invested in as it should have been for a long time, well until recently I would say. It wasn't designed for things like driverless trains and some of the signals are so old it is a surprise they even work. I'm sure it will eventually, but it will take a lot of investment to get it to that stage.

pfff i love the daytime system, the more complexity the more options and variations.

On nov 27 2021

It's only 7 1/2 as there's two destinations for the northern line out of Morden and they amalgamate en route hence the more frequent time

+I Am Secretly A Penguin Yes, I understand that, but still, I mean that 7 1/2 minutes are too frequent. I think 20 minutes in both branches would be more than enough, so there'd be 10 minutes in the city centre

Same fares as far we know Jon, yes. The 'fun' will come though when your journey goes over the 04.30am time, normally used for the end of one day, and the start of another. We don't know how that's going to work yet!

lol nope, i dont think stuff like the engineers have been given much thought at all. Will probs be a shambles like almost all TFL/ LU operations as of late, they already have barely enough staff to cope. I dread to think how these night shifts will hit them.

colacastell welche stadt denn?

But I'd bet that system isn't 150 years old.

Picc line can't be driverless.

Believe that they've recruited & trained new drivers.

they'll do the same as per the buses and have people that only drive at night i heard.

+Pete S. until NT4L is rolled out.

1am.

cheers

Doubt the circle line or H&C will as there isn't much call for them during the day at weekends let alone nights, I imagine District and Metropolitan will join though, meaning the Circle and H&C won't need a night service

+MrTuckedup Good point

Sean Lewis the circle Hammersmith & city district and metropolitan lines will have a night tube. but tfl needs to finish upgrading first

are you a BART user Brian? Geoff was there recently! he says he's going to write an article for us on London Vs. the BART!

+zenistic I love San Francisco but Muni sucks.

Jason Hobbs yes sir. But that means that during the week there still is no service between 1 and 5 (which I consider nighttime) and before introduction of the night tube there hasn't been any service between 1 and 5 in any given night. All I was saying is that that stroke me as odd. In Berlin for instance several lines have run throughout the night (also between 1 and 5) on weekends and also during the week for years. I always thought it was the same in london, given that they have such a big metro system. It just seemed strange to me that they seemed to shut that down for 4 hours every night