nice 👍🏽

It's that it? We can both then look something else to watch something different to see

@@elsupersanchez3386 I don't know how to watch another kind of movies

@@cjgrand9578 neither do I

@@vthedemigod1847 dont much want to watch anything either

This movie is Thief (James Caan), reinvigorated.

@Himanshu Gupta Thief and Heat are the same director smartfella.

Damn right. Heat is brilliant.

jassonsw One of my all-time faves for sure!

Shamus that's what is remarkable! Same director but feels like two different ones. Thief is a piece of old junk. Heat is a one-time strike of genius! Mann's Collateral (later movie) isn't on the same level neither... so it's not like Mann's mastery grew from Thief to Heat, cause it doesn't appear to continue to grow or even persist to Collateral. Weird.

Lmfao AMEN!

Indeed!

I'm all for it but the movie is perfect as it is. The scene with Trejo and Ana seems out of place, or at least I dont wanna believe Trejo sold the boys out.

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@@egg64 yes it was abrupt. Good call

Agree! Under rated performance.

so as Tom Noonan right. btw all scenes even short are very best.

Just the whole movie itself unravels and flows so naturally to the plot. I dont understand how this movie became slept on either. Suuuper underrated.

I couldn't agree more. At the end, you wanted both McCauley and Hanna to achieve their objectives. But how? If I ever met Mann, I'd ask him, "Did Neil hesitate?" I'd love to hear his answer.

fuck critics. They don't know shit about shit

Because its not New York enough or Italian enough.

And the breathtaking soundtrack just makes it perfect!

Name me a movie this good that came out 5 years ago.

@NekiTamoL1K Sicario is pretty good. But even then that was 2015.

Agreed.

jaja True...

You have a very good point there

Probably half of these scenes should have been used as they helped fill holes

They are not better, but fully in line - should be in the movie.

when you get even older - you watch it for the life lessons

Same. xD Love the pun as well.

@@ARCtrooperblueleader LOL. I did not notice until I read your post.

Veldtian1 I see what you did there

Yeah, it really heats home

Veldtian1 daw it opening day at the Mann in Torrance it was great. Tarantino screened it at his theater recently both shows sold out.

That was before his Trump Derangement Syndrome took over.

Liqu1d16 trumps my bro

@@bramblebop1904 It's insane how persistent you people are

Eh?

yep. id go with that.

What are you a monk?

no. i have a girl

I read that aloud and caught my cat nodding his head sagely.

@Tough Guy - Chills.

I wish i could walk out on my girlfriend in 30 seconds flat but she wont let me

It's amazing.

It's been 20 years?

Mark Hayes 24 years actually

Because everything about this movie is just pure class, classy cars, suits, guns

Yes! Damnit. Couldn't they reattach them for a DVD release? They make a lot of plot clearer...

Storytelling for the screen is definitely more about cutting everything right down to the core elements. But I freely admit, it would've been cool to have a LITTLE more information in the theatrical version. Some of these scenes set up payoffs pretty darn well, and barely took 6-12 seconds.

Well we have Sicario. I guess we get a movie like this every 25 years or so. 😄

30 years. Damn I'm old!

Liberalism

cuz superhero movies generate more money and fulfill the low IQ itch for pure CGI action.

We're in the R worded era of hero movies geared towards children and man children. We can ride this out just like we did the cowboy craze(still wasnt as bad as the modern CGI vomit)

Yep. How many movies can you say this about...

I prefer a fine scotch.

@Paul Blackman But they did happen 25 years ago. And the movie doesn't look dated at all.

@Paul Blackman Those kinds of robberies wouldn't have really happened in the 90s, either. The kinds of heists where criminal gangs smash over armoured trucks and drill through the floors of banks, you only really see in countries like Brazil. Mann was basing his characters off 1960s figures. But the story and how it's delivered, is timeless. I wouldn't focus too much on the technology.

Why make your film longer when cutting it makes it twice as concise and therefore twice as gripping? Don't assume these decisions, especially when made by a superb film maker like Mann, are made only because they think the audience may need to get home early. From what I see, the cuts seen here make sense. The clip of Neil and Eady in the car for example. There is no new information being shown there. We have already seen her give him the cold shoulder, we already know how she feels. That's why those decisions are made by a guy like Mann.

this was meant to be a series. a prequel series may be coming out soon.

@@ratcrib Not this production though, this was always going to be a movie.

@Rst28 - Well said.

Oh baby. I love this movie because neil McCauley is a genius in robbery and vince is a genius in his investigation. Its like two boxers competing for a built at the end one man stays standing. But yea McCauley was my favorite person and his crew are my favorite. I wanted them to keep stealing without any killing and quick entries and exits like a true robber

That scene had me dying laughing

Hanna talked aout Bovine Flatulence though.

I don’t agree…Hanna says a lot of goofy stuff “she has a great assssss!!!”…or the whole “you can’t watch my TV”…that’s none sense

@@omarbaca3435 that’s because he was supposed to be high on coke in most of the scenes

I like this scene because of how DeNiro delivers it - It's not a threat, but a statement of fact.

paul simons I know right. in the original I get the impression they beat it out of him and felt bad for him. Toad lol. I went to flicks to watch this when first came out, Pacino and de niro in same film was a must . (Godfather 2 doesn't count lol!! I Just realised Ludacriss, Dreyfuss and Huff and the cop from Sister Act are in it too. Well it was 23 years ago now OMG!!

Me and u both brother

De niro at his best

It's my favorite too. It' drives my wife crazy because I watch it so much .

I wonder if the play was..Waingro tells Trejo Vanzant will pay him more if he gives up Neil, then VanZant tells him to kill Trejo

Yeah.. He could have easily flown away with the lady of his life to a peaceful sunset.. But, once he knew where the bastard was his value systems just knew that his crew deserved their revenge and he should be the one to do it. Ppl might think he should have resisted the urge for revenge n walked away. But that would have been unfair for the crew members who lost their lives and too selfish an act for Neil.

man got to have a code - o. little

other bad guy lost with cherito?..... huh............. what did he say?

@@sandspritpark "the other bag got lost". The take from the bank was lower than expected, so kelso will get less money than he expected

@@sandspritpark ",the other bag got lost with Cheitto". (Tom Sizemore)

Gage went to prison in the early 00s (for some bullshit cannabis charges) and apparently all the inmates called him Waingro.

can't believe he was married to kelly preston in the 80's before she met john travolta, course she cheated with travolta while still married to kevin

​@@charlesleroq932 he was makin a move man, they had to get it on.

​@@jameswilliams-zr8co she had to get it on too

A lot people aren't meant to work 9-5

That is awesome observation.

"You cool?" "Hey man, now you know I'm cool..." 👌

Maybe the Irishman will be the last puzzle piece.

@@JOHNSTIER23 I liked that movie, but it was nowhere near as good as Heat, Casino, Goodfellas, etc etc

@Tony C. Irishman had great acting especially Pesci but nowhere near Goodfellas, Casino, Once Upon a Time in America or Heat

@Tony C. It was dark but the acting was great

@Tony C. Thats cool there are some deniro movies I don't like like bad grandpa, righteous kill, hide and seek, 15 minutes, showtime. His best and my favorites are Raging bull, Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, Casino, Untouchables, Cape Fear, Deer Hunter, bronx tale, This boy's life, Heat, Midnight Run, Awakenings, Jackie Brown, Copland and Ronin.

Yesss, someone who gets it. I think Sam and Dan Houser said they wanted to be filmmakers before they started making videogames, but Michael Mann is one of their biggest inspirations. Along with Walter Hill's The Warriors (Which is why almost every gang has an outfit in the older games) hell if you actually look at it, it seems they built the GTA games to be set in The Warriors universe. Another movie Director they love to reference is William Friedkin, the Director who made The Exorcist. He made The French Connection, and To Live and Die in LA. GTA 4 has two missions, one where you chase a train in a car like in The French Connection, and To Live and Die in Aldernay being another mission. They also made the achievement To Live In Die In Los Santos when you beat GTA 5. Friedkin's To Live and Die In LA was called a Miami Vice rip off but he actually says he didn't mean to rip off Michael Mann, and they're actually friends, and not only that but Tangerine Dream first worked with Friedkin, who then worked in Mann on Thief, who finally worked with Rockstar Games for GTA 5 (They made the soundtrack which is why that one has the chase music I believe) GTA is like a movie-buff's love letter to other movie-buffs. I don't think I'd love movies as much without the GTA series and I don't think I'd love the GTA series as much without the movie references.

What does "GTA" mean?

Miami Vice and Scarface were basis for Vice City. and San Andreas, 4 and 5 has a taken a lot of inspirations from Heat. (hell there's a mission in GTA 5 called "Blitz" which is literally a copy of Heat's opening lol)

@@v-trigger6137 also GTA IV bank robbery mission (some elements from point break, but mostly heat)

LA Takedown

yes

Al....BERT.!!!

Thank you, you're amazing

true, it kind of downplays the tragedy of it. Like its a very standard, show up and big muscly mafia guys with bats are at your house asking you casually about stuff they want to know. Its like something out of Licence To Kill or any mafia film, didn't fit with the rest of how great Heat was I think, especially because removing this scene leaves it to the imagination what happened which makes it much sadder.

Just made me hate Waingro more

Ex-SAS taught him to reload like that (Andy McNab)

Good points all. What it would have been like if Neil and company showed up at Trejo's to "address" the Waingro problem.

That is what Larry and Emil tought in 1997

You got that right. I have watched thousands of action movies. the shooting scene is second to none. Even the sounds of assault rifles shooting is very realistic, this is EXACTLY how it sounds, not deep pops we are served in most action movies.

They were shooting blanks I think. I remember seeing a BTS and people were saying they could hear it from blocks away. Mann pulled some strings to get that shot. He also used the same visceral props in Collateral with Tom Cruise.

He was even an afterthought in the conversation about if they were still going to go through with the job.

Cut him some slack, man: He went on to become President !!! (24)

Same here man. I was shocked to see when it was uploaded vs when I saw it....

His Best and charismatic look is in heat and Cape fear 👍

@@KELPacino its true.

Boss 👍😎

Hit the wall already back then.

agreed - we don’t need em

Yes like maybe cut a Natalie Portman scene or two.

Disagree....not one of these scenes add to the film

@@MultiLiverpool1 The Tom Sizemore scenes add something - It shows how he is a thrillseeker who is able to compartmentalise his family life, mirroring how he later uses a girl for a human shield. If it stayed in the film, it contrasts with Hanna and McCauly - the former whose personal life is a mess which he uses work as an escape from, and the latter who has no personal life but his work. Removing this Jeremy Piven scene takes something away from the film - When you watch it, McCauly tells him to take his shirt off and Piven puts on a weird expression. It feels like something is missing, and it's this scene. I personally think it's also badass, because McCauly isn't issuing an overt threat, but stating that he's an obsessive psycho, as a matter of fact. The scene circling the bank doesn't really add anything to the story, but it rounds out Dennis Haysbert's character, Breedon, and his situational confidence as a professional getaway driver. The scene between DeNiro and Jon Voight shows that Breedon's widow will be financially supported. The scene in the car with McCauly and Eady absolutely adds something - It shows the journey of his character, as he learns to care about others on a human level. Without it, his inner 'transformation' isn't so clear.

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It was released as it was originally intended.

Damn im 31 now

A few lines from the DVD got cut from the Blu Ray version though

oh mate youre damn good )) ... and the Hannibal LectOr was Michael Cox..

I don't think the transponder added anything important. It might've broken Mann's desired rhythm. Trejo was a good scene for a regular movie. In this one, though, I think it was better for us to imagine what happened to him. Plus, the scene shows him darting out of the room. that detracts from his gutsy character, who we later see apparently stood up under the torture and gave 'em nothing, plus had the pride to "go out" with a bullet instead of slowly or in a police hospital room. My thoughts, anyway.

KutWrite he's not running away out of fear of being killed, he's trying to find his wife.

KutWrite stood up under the torture and gave em nothing are you watching the same film? He gave them the time and location of the bank job before they'd laid a glove on him or Anna who he thought was safe until he came back from lying to Neil on the phone about Fed's being all over him !

Disagree, KutWrite. It showed their set up and sophistigation level they were at.

HeadShotSongs spot on it should have been kept in for that reason alone"They are technically proficient"

They ran a train on her then Waynegrow beat her head in the sadistic bastard

I can see it being a toss up between Heat/Goodfellas, but no way does Departed and Casino beat out Goodfellas.

@@goodbonezz1289 exactly 👍

Yeah but he dies using a kid as a human shield. This deleted scene would've been way out of place

I remember thinking Tom Sizemore had his role and character cut the most. In the theatrical cut he’s kept very enigmatic. These scenes flesh him out more but ultimately right that they kept the focus on De Niro and Kilmer. Don’t necessarily think these were all cut for time as Mann has had opportunities to put these back in and hasn’t so suspect this is more for pacing and structural reasons.

Departed beating Casino or Goodfellas? Yikes

It's probably difficult to shoot in LA due to NIMBYism

Have you watched Bosch?

Steve He had a funny behind-the-scenes story about the fight between him and Al Pacino. Before the shoot, he told Al something like, You see this face? Don't hold back LOL

@@apurugganan Ohhh that's why Al really claws his face violently. So effective. Rollins has some very interesting stories, and his dedication to the movies he makes is a dream for most filmmakers. Eric The Pilot is a personal favorite of mine that could be turned into a feature length or 40 minute short

As much as I hate a racist, Rollings did great on Sons of Anarchy. And my favorite all Rollings is The Chase with Charlie Sheen. Great actor who has evolved and has great comedic timing.

still dont understand.. that nazi guy and the latino one?! he goes to his home and finds them there - why?? the nazi told the cops it was going down? sorry im kind of dumbass just wnt to understand.....love the movie :)

Van Zant's mooks were tipped off, and Trejo was the weak link. They were waiting for him at his house, as well as the "nazi guy" (Waingro). Waingro didn't toot to the cops, he went straight away to the guy that was robbed in the first place (Van Zant). Dude, check the synopsis at IMDB, it sums it up nicely.

Neil couldn't do that because of all the trouble Waingro caused his crew which were like his family. It would have ate up at him had he not killed Waingrow. An he walked away from his girlfriend after he saw Vincent out there, he walked away from her ( thus he didn't get so attached to her that he was willing to go to prison for her, he'd rather die, and that's what he did ). It sucked seeing him get killed but than you wouldn't really have a story if the ending had not been tragic.

Piven a weak actor for a Chicago guy