What diameter and depth did you dig the holes?

Yeah I would like to know how deep.

How’s it doing now?

Check reviews for this product first.

Warm the hole???LMFAO That's just too much!

How much more did it cost? Just because it works dont mean it lasts because foam breaks down much quicker in the environment. Plastic won't but foam sure does.

That's just stupid. Won't last. More expensive. Takes longer. Traps moisture next the the post so it rots faster. Environmentally screwed. Where's the benefit again?

George, the benefit is to the person selling this. What is that phrase...an idiot and his money will soon be parted?

There’s about 100 ways to install a fence according to all the contractors commenting here. Who knew different countries and completely different climates could have different building practices? The more you know 💫

Trim and caulk.

What foam product?

Not level but straight line

Why do you think he didn’t do that already? You can see his posts have been staked into place. And you can see his fence turned out straight and level. So I think your comment is a little misguided. Or at least misinformed.

I agree, I use a sharp gravel for extra friction. I think that it also behaves better than concrete or foam with frost. As frost can pull year after year the widening top of concrete out of the ground

Mr. Huteson, you are right on target. My area has clay type soils, so I backfill and tamp in 6" lifts. The tamper is a steel rod, about 1" square with beat-down head on it, it really compacts the soil. I mound-up the top of fill around the post so that water drains away. Water in the soil is soaked up by the soil, and / or keeps the air away from the wood to prevent rot. Some of my treated posts have been in the ground over 20 years and still going strong. Concrete retains a minimum of 7% moisture which is a good start to a 30% threshold for rot. Concrete shrinks, so it shrinks away from the wood to leave a small gap to hold water which soaks the wood. Someone wrote that they thought the concrete helped by adding weight. It also makes the base wider so that the post has more bearing area against the soil to prevent bearing failure and enlarging the side of the hole. By tamping and compacting the soil, the bearing strength is increased and holds the post solid, even after 20 years and working in the wind. The foam seems like an unnecessary expense.

Only useful thread of the lot. Sticking to the post makes sense to keep the water off, as does concrete causing a wider hole, etc. The ground under my fences is clay, so I also used dug-up clay for tamped backfill. Seems to have held up well for the past 5 years. No real need for the disparaging talk about lazy people or whatever, it's more like no one has ever put forth a definitive method with clear reasons. I'm starting to think it might make sense to dip the posts in roofing tar before setting in tamped earth or whatever and maybe that would be the most effective?

Darren, I don't recommend the tar. In one instance, the tar will hold moisture inside the wood, even as it keeps moisture out. In the other, the lack of tar will let moisture migrate out of the wood, regardless of how it got into the wood. For this reason, I recommend (see above) that you tamp the soil / clay / sand / gravel around the post and let the moisture be pulled out as the soil dries. Top the backfilled hole with clay as a cap, also mound up to let the water drain away from the post. In the bottom of the hole, set the post on a couple of inches of gravel (in pantyhose) to create a bottom drain. If your soil has low shear strength, this method will not work.

Michael M fortunately, that's exactly what I had ended up doing. But why would shrinkage not be an issue with the clay?

Thanks for the warning. I live in a wet area.

Excellent point!

maybe dig your holes deeper like 3 feet

roger drum ....EXACTLY.

Well said!

I live in a VERY high rainfall area in Scotland. Many places where I've put fences are waterlogged much of the time, and can flood for weeks. Then there's freezing, and high winds. I won't speculate how that stuff would cope here, but I would not expect it to compete with concrete footings.

church!

60 lb bag of conc mix for $3 ? Seems amazingly low cost to me, & you'd need the strength of a gorilla to carry bags that weight. I agree nails are nigh useless but would be interested to hear what screws you have decided on. In frustration (I'm close to the ocean) I have ended up using 10G x 1.5" stainless sq drive. found it necessary to predrill with runners that are harder tan pine!

MERIDIAN HOPPER

Smieszek80 it's also hard to move a 8 foot 4x4 that is actually put into a 24" hole, a proper hole not a giant lazy digger hole.

Acts like pendulum in softer soils as well.

This.

YUP. Made this mistake myself and found out the hard way

Oooh thanks for the tip mate I don’t think I will use the foam for permanent things cheers

videotracx that could be bc your soil is unstable rather than a bad product I’m sure you would use this in a sandy soil...my opinion of course

ok you two doubters, it is obvious you have never used spray foam or you would know that stuff does not have any strength to speak of. it is mostly a fill for air spaces as an insulator. it is easily compressed and once compressed it loses its ability to hold firm.

I used foam about 2 mos ago around foundation of house as a temp fix. Starting to concrete over it now. I literally kick it off the ground. It's really not a "great" product. Very limited and can cause fumes when temps rise when used indoors. Can't be used around any kind of heating this stuff is combustible. Foam anything is not the way to go when filling gaps. Use appropriate products. Fire Bloc around heating systems (caulk), cement for a tight bond. I use it for anything temporary on the exterior. Be careful of blown foam insulation not really a wise choice for insulation otherwise traditional insulation would be out of business by now.

This isn't a spray foam. It was made for this application and worked great for me and my posts. Having said that, I agree that foams may not be best for applications in enclosed living quarters.

Come on Mate foam is not going to hold a fence in the the British winds

Responding to a comment you posted at least 5 years ago, this stuff is trash. Avoid, stay away from. The foam eventually contracts a little bit creating voids and wiggle room for the fence to sway in.

I'm pleased you enjoyed the video so much! Feel free to watch some of my other videos and provide more of your insightful wisdom.

don't forget the gravel!

No gravel needed. Postcrete is mix already. Bag cost 4-5£. Fill 1/3 of the hole with water follwing bag of postcrete, level on, job done.. Didnt want to offend you man. You just end up double the price of you fence

Yeah I did the same, and it was about $5 US per bag here. But I did put a little bit of "drainage gravel" under the posts, although it may not do anything since the water I put in before the mix probably just filled in around the gravel.

Paulius Taparauskas not very cheep to use

Agree

Ray Wilson so that's why they are always leaning and fall over in high winds......

Ive worked with Ameren Ue numerous times in my 16 years in the field and have yet to see them fill the holes with anything but concrete or compacted clay and gravel combination. Whoever told you this took you for a ride. Epa would be all over there ass for using foam.

My first comment was a joke, I am a equipment operator and we do a lot of digging in for electric lines so we see a lot of poles set. Not one time have I ever seen the electric company use foam. Auger a hole in the ground, drive the post in and use a compactor around it. We have a lot of clay and rock here though, in the ozarks.

40 year service life. if you want temporary, then it's the stuff for you.

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How is your letter box going now? Did the foam hold up?

Yes, no problem. A truck even backed into post and broke the upper half, but post is still solid after repair.

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Way easier to fill the holes with water and pour the concrete in afterwords.

@@marcusanthony179 how is that easier? You literally just reversed the order..

@@jonnyrotten9755 First of all, I've actually done both ways. Second of all, can you see how stirring concrete into water is easier because water doesn't build up resistance to the stirring until you have the right amount of concrete mixed into it.

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kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nZiZjNmqzrC9o5s.html wrong this is becoming the industry standard. It’s been used in the electrical field and with telephone poles for years.

janussQv while it rots out the post, NOPE

The industry standard has in many cases been really really bad.... You can't always trust the industry standards....

Exactly I would never use foam.. The Scottish winds would blow the post down

I've seen Motorway (Highway) crash rails almost always have expanding foam over ooze on the posts? Not sure if there is concrete below or just foam? They are designed to take a vehicle crash so maybe they are supposed to 'give' a bit?

Jamie I'll bet your an intellectual.

sounds you're a real wiz bang moron to me Jamie wood. it's clear you know nothing you little troll. just go back under your rock and leave the world to real people.

used once in awhile in the siren industry too depending on soil it is super expensive but on loose soils holds firm...

Jimmy Walker Wow someone gives you facts about the product you just saw used and you discard our like old garbage cause it's not the cool thing obviously the comments lol be smart and alone not stupid and follow.

F**k Holmes. He’s just a show man. Ask him if has a ticket in any trade. He has NO tickets

@@darrellsaturnbigfoot Holmes is cool, has great ideas but only if folks have bottomless pockets. Change a lightbulb....need the top bulb ever, replace the fixture for some energy compliance reason, the wire color of home is off so let's rewire the house, add a breaker, new switch . $1 fix now cost 20,000. LOL

Wow. That explains why my expensive wooden privacy fence is snapping off at the bottom. They are rotting. Love this information,. Makes good sense ..thanks

@@Lakelandcowboy69 I learned this several years ago from a coworker doing maintenance in a city parks department. We set metal poles in concrete. I've pulled a wooden treated pole out of my yard 10 years after I put it in. It looked like I'd installed it the week before.

"hate" comments? jesus, take a spoonful of cement or something princess.

John Douglas I am a princess and I find your comment offensive 😊

Guys i found a good website about woodworking that is *WoodBlueprints. Com* you can find more than 12000 shed plans their

John Douglas Sorry, but you are wrong.

Today, the world has defined HATE as anything that is a disagreement with your opinion. It is completely untrue, but this is the modern definition of hate. If you merely dislike something, for whatever the reason, you are elevated to a hater. Does anyone disagree with this?

@@elizacathleen2916 Did you see my question mark?????? But thanks for calling me a liar.

@@bustinya2240 sorry I deleted the comment. I used the stuff for basement insulation. It’s fantastic. I hope it works for posts because I’m using it today. For my clothes line 🥺

Robert Garvey for the rest of us who don't live on clay, we gotta use something like concrete or foam.

i doubt wood would be arrow straight after all those years. it is just not in its nature. also you can wrap the bottom of the post to avoid moisture or even paint it. once concrete sets up moisture will not penetrate it but it will around crushed rock.

Maybe you're right. I bought my house in 2005 which was 1 year old at the time. All post in the ground WITH CONCRETE rotted and broke off at the concrete top in 2015. That's 11 years. I'm in the Bay area where it only rains 4 months out of the year and is dry the rest. For all those here who claim concrete lasts for many decades, please explain that. The parts of the fence sitting on top of the retaining wall with brackets are just fine (no rot). Bottom line: concrete draws water from the soil and the wood soaks it up ending up rotting away.

Hobo😂😂😂

Sand and gravel are good,I like to use broken up bricks and rubble rammed into the hole around the post using a large iron bar, it makes it very solid. The big benefit over using concrete is that it doesn't trap water around the post, it allows it to drain away making the post last longer. It works of course just as well with concrete posts.

Real men don’t spill their beer my friend 🍺

Vault 614 real men cry and spill bear

haha funny!

Anthony Man Is it because you are American? I'd cry too if I had to drink American beer 😊 Monty python warned us 😀

sketchart photo. Soon as I take a piss u can have it. Lol

It's holding up just fine.

It might even be a female worm. 🤣🤣🤣

It looked as though he used those for quick removal

Don't mention it.

THANK YOU for a short, concise, polite reply!

Cool, are there pictures or a video of your findings?

Our Someday Is Now ,Does foam help increase the electrical grounding ability of the utility poles better than concrete would ?

I am wondering if this is to save time and manpower, because when utility poles go down, it is often because of a hurricane or tornado, where both time and manpower are pushed to limits and come at a premium. I am sure it works or they probably wouldn't do it, but overall cost is their prime objective, and labor + transportation are the bulk of that. Also, since they buy their product in bulk, pay to transport it, etc. there are multiple ways this could simply be an overall cost cutting measure at that scale.

Now I know why my utility bills keep going up, up, up.

Don't have any idea why this matters, but for Fence Posts it's fine.

That's a good idea!

Ha! How has this joke not been made already?!

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I get quickcrete for $4.19 per bag.

Andy Moss I’m having trouble visualizing this. Would you please elaborate? Screwed to what? Right angles to what? Each other? To the post?

Funny another guy commented moments before you swearing that pea gravel works even better! Seems like everyone has their own version of “the best way”.

his fence has fallen

I saw a reply from about a year ago and he said it was still holding up just fine...has that changed?

3 years now, all good.

PatonHaus, thanks for the reply!

Very true.

..."pore in water"? Water does not have pores. You do. One pours water. No, really.

water goes in first you muppet.

Right on built over 100 wheelchair ramps in my career maybe same number of decks never premixed concrete water dump powder in hole pack and top with water done

Avoid mess of concrete... uses plastic to avoid mess of sticky foam. If you were in a desert, or somewhere difficult to find/use water, then yes, this is an interesting alternative to Postcrete.

@@Famous5s if you cant find water finding a pack of this is not going to be easier is it....

I've mixed cement with the backfill and packed it down. Works like a charm.

Hey man, don't start talking common sense. You might blow some ones mind...😂😂😂

CSX2586 Rail Rider Raby Yes, this is my approach too. In the absolute driest conditions...I did my fence in August (hottest part of summer) and we hadn't seen rain in weeks...the dry concrete in the hole worked just fine. Within 24 hrs the concrete was solid. Amazing how the powder can draw any moisture out of the surrounding ground and soil.

Exactly that's the way I would do concrete, the weight of concrete hold it just that much more

indylovelace, concrete will also draw moisture out of your skin so if you ever get it on you be sure and wash it off asap. was working with a guy years ago and we were pouring a driveway. he told me of the time he first started messing with concrete and they were pouring concrete and he took off his shoes and waded in it like it was mud. he said after they were done his feet were all dry, cracked and bleeding and hurt for days afterwards.