Lol! I actually appreciate their commitment and passion. What’s so disappointing is they buy into the dishonesty of the pet food companies who make foods that are nutritionally unbalanced and unhealthy and charge pet parents tons of money. Neither of them ever look at the nutrients delivered. They just compare ingredients and AAFCO definitions. And their demonization of veterinary therapeutic diets is really criminal. Fir them to ignore and deny the amazing research and results of these diets forced me to question their motives.

Well that is exactly my mission fir these videos! Thank YOU!

Purina pro is a rip off. The only main difference between pro, and regular, is on pro. They list actual meat, as first ingredient. But they still have by product, sneaking in at ingredient 3 or so. So here’s my question. If they have chicken listed as ingredient 1, then chicken by product, as ingredient 3. What is in that by product?

But yes, all the “raw and fresh” brands are complete rip offs. And a lot of them, aren’t even that great.

@@9hk38f I looked at the protein and they are the same. Chicken is water weight to move it to the front, like everyone.(but they started it in 1987!) the chicken by product is organ meat. Since the calcium and phosphorus is basically the same as in Purina ONE, I’d say you’re not off them being the same. We could look at omega 3s and antioxidants maybe to see any difference. Remember Purina is king at making different diets for different customers. Would we really expect a wide variety of nutrients? You need to stop looking at that ingredient panel. It tells you nothing but it allows them to control you.

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy As I’ve already admitted to you in the past. The CONCEPT of by product, is 100% better then Kibble, with JUST a meat label. However, you and I both know, brands like Purina, are not going out of there way, to make sure the byproduct is actually done properly. And with more people being conscious about dog health. Why would any brand, use the label by product, if they are in fact, making it with well sourced meat, and organ meat? They wouldn’t!

Thanks for the encouraging words. Yes, the pet food marketers have really made it overwhelming and it shouldn’t be. And the fact you have to call most companies to get real numbers is annoying. My next video will compare a few cheap foods to expensive to see if the price indicates the quality. Welcome! I’ll look at Nutri Source!

that would be great, wouldn't it! i know elimination trails should last 12 weeks to be considered accurate. it would be hard to know how long before a response occurs. we are coming up on itchy season as we speak so if the dog was starting to respond to the environment with no signs, the wheat could elicit a response much quicker. its a very frustrating predicament.

No, that's not true. Almost every brand, good and bad, makes a No Corn, Wheat or Soy version since the marketing is so prevalent. But personally if the company calls those ingredients just fillers, on principle I wouldn't give them my money or feed their food, since I know they either don't know better or are lying to me.

Thanks! Welcome!

Allergies are extremely hard to manage. What you’re saying makes sense when a certain food full of various proteins does not cause a reaction.

You and Don Juan are forcing me to call a board certified nutritionist on Monday to get the scoop on amino acids! That’s a good thing so thank you! But first of all, if you watched the video, there are indeed benefits. That’s just a simple fact. If a company uses questionable junk meat sources it’s my understanding the amino acids will be there, but the mineral levels will be excessive. Adding corn gluten meal is added to mainly still provide amino acids along with meat, but that will reduce nitrogen waste being produced and will reduce phosphorus levels that meat elevates. So corn is not used to enhance a bad source of protein. The idea is to reduce some of the meat, fir treasons already stated. Egg and soy are two other meat alternatives to provide amino acids. Does corn reduce costs, well, considering how much I see driving across the country, I’d say there’s plenty of it! Would you prefer to pay even more than the cost us now? Is it more honorable for a food company to use expensive ingredients and pass the cost to you? The corn debate is only marketing at its best. Just one of many marketing stunts over the years.

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy That would be wonderful! Thank you! And again, just to clarify. I am not like that Racheal girl. I am not 100% oh nature this, nature that. But I do feel in general, with food, its best to be somewhat as natural as possible. With that being said, in regards to kibble. I am not against corn being used. I just feel like certain brands, rely to much on the corn gluten. And should strive to have more meat based protein. But yea, maybe I have been mislead in my learnings. I am not to prideful to be proven wrong. I want to learn, one way or another. If you could kindly just ask them, what they think about brands just pumping food with corn gluten. As a means to get a proper amount of protein, and a proper balance of amino acids. As opposed to possibly using multiple meat sources. And in regards to the mention of cost. These brands are already charging, what they should be charging, for more expensive ingredients. Hills has some pretty costly recipe's, that seem to have a lot of wheat, and corn gluten. I can not imagine, the price is justified.

@@9hk38f ok, got the scoop, right from a board certified nutritionist. Sadly, it just shows the consumer has to trust the company because of the way the industry is regulated. So it becomes a marketing contest. You were absolutely right that different meat sources have different amino acids. And you were also right that even different cuts of meat will differ! But she also said, the animals body does not care at all where the essential amino acids come from. Corn gluten is a great source of methionine, an essential amino acid. Certain meat sources could be low in methionine. Yes, combining protein sources, based on the amino acid profile desired, is the way to go. She also confirmed that excessive calcium and phosphorus in a food reveals either extremely excessive protein or low quality meat with bone, hair, hoof, feathers, etc. she also confirmed using non meat protein sources reduces phosphorus levels, nitrogen waste, and workload on the kidneys. And that is true even in carnivores like cats. The frustrating thing is no one knows the cuts they’re using or the the actual amino acid levels! The mineral content is the only indication! So, sadly, these lax rules and definitions mean pet parents have really no idea, which is what the pet food marketers want. So they can use slick ingredient games and make false claims like extrusion kills nutrients so raw is better. She did say vitamins are diminished in extrusion process so supplements need to be included in the diet. Since when is taking vitamin supplements now considered processed for like McDonalds? I think she answered the questions you and I had.

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Hey, thank you very much for taking time out of your day. I genuinely appreciate this! It means a lot.

Lindsey, I can’t really say I have an opinion on that. Always seemed to be individual dogs. Sorry!

My Poppy loves her poop! She's on RC puppy and her stool has been soft/stinky for weeks (but still healthy). I set up some baby cameras to catch her in the act. She had diarrhea following her spay so the vet gave her hills wet GI prescription. Her stool immediately became firmer (expected with GI food). And she stopped eating it! She gave it some good licks but then gave up. Happened consistently. I have no idea why she became uninterested. I don't want to play with her nutrient levels, so I looked at the ingredient list on hills GI wet food. Notably it doesn't have corn. I'm switching Poppy to Hill's corn-free kibble and her poop is firming up, but I'll need more weeks to be sure!

Thanks for the constructive criticism. I don’t always notice what’s in the cameras view! Lol! I’ll try the excuse my first videos aren’t my best but I do get upset over good people being lied to simply because they live their pets so much. Just taped a video tonight reviewing Farmina… and had a beer!

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy obvisouly I've had a problem with alcohol in the past, (not saying you do) and understand how it affects our tolerance. You seem to fine of a person to let booze get the best of you. From the outside looking in expressing your anger towards thee opinions of other people isn't professional nor a good look. You're way better than that. Keep the great info coming and I'll keep watching.

One of my cats got sick, so I took her to a vet, recommended by a friend. He charged me $650, and did essentially nothing. For the next three weeks, I fed her nothing but raw ground beef and a little dry cat food. When I fed her real chicken, she threw up. Same with chicken wet cat food. I stopped feeding her chicken and now she is fine. The main ingredient of the dry food I fed her when sick, was chicken. Go figure. All animals are different. Just like kids, you have to treat them all differently. Now my cat can eat chicken again.

Yes, the protein molecules would still illicit an allergic response weather raw, dried, cooked, etc. just found this so my allergy videos are now on line. Thanks!

Rick, I honestly have not paid much attention to it…yet. We live in such a time when misinformation and yes, fake news, tries to manipulate us, whether it’s for our vote or our money. So far some reputable people have said it’s all a hoax. Sad to say, that’s believable. I need some real evidence. Of course, easy for me to say since I don’t feed Purina.

Yes, but when you say the word “table scraps” most people will assume it’s all fair game. And they will feed their dogs leftover bbq chicken, loaded with seasoning.

BBQ chicken 🤣🤣🤣

I wonder why therapeutic diets that contain corn produce such consistent excellent results! Makes you wonder what real board certified vet nutritionists know that social media celebrities don’t.

When I was a kid there was that one kid in class with allergies and his inhaler. Now a classroom has 50% of their kids on allergy meds! And in my 34 years calling on vet clinics I’ve seen the same thing with dogs and cats. God only knows how we’re polluting and corrupting our food supply, water and environment!

In this case, wouldn’t the raw and natural fed dogs be the kids playing in dirt? And the “prescription diet” fed pets, be the Lysol kids?

Purina is arguably the worst brand, next to the absolute bottom brands. Kibbles n bits, gravy train, alpo.

@@9hk38f Please elaborate your science based reasons on why you feel Purina dog chow is bad.

@@tricogustrico Its mostly by product. The FDA guidelines for byproducts, are it only has to contain 10% actual meat. The other 90% can be almost ANYTHING! The Purina Pro, is twice the price. And it’s exactly the same. Except it has real meat as first ingredient. But then by product is still in it. At like ingredient number 3. So ask yourself. If byproducts are supposed to be a well balanced meat source. Why would they list meat, by itself, AND by product? How much actual meat, is in the by product, if they are already listing that same meat, by itself? Just some food for thought.

yes, some ingredients do help keep the kibble together but also, as I shared, deliver beneficial nutrients. they are not cheap fillers! of course you won't see those ingredients in the so called fresh and refrigerated foods. they are the ones trying to differentiate themselves by demonizing those ingredients! okay, I get what you said about science for sale! couldn't agree more. Covid was by far the worst example of that. having said that, nutrition science has been around since about the 1940s. there are definitely some proven facts. therapeutic diets, as an example, have proven to be incredibly beneficial for ill pets. no denying that. ironically, the people that demonize Big Kibble (Hills, Purina, RC) don't realize the tens of millions of dollars these companies spend on nutrition research. what do the longest living dogs eat? i have no idea! I can honestly say most vets feed Hills to their own pets due to the results they see day in and day out in their practices. they see the results of therapeutic diets too. so though not nutritionists I believe their recommendation carries more weight than some kid at petsmart listening to Blue Buffalo demo people talk about wolves! remember also, my mission is to help folks who love their dog and will only feed dry kibble. Habib and Becker go far beyond that. I'm trying not to recommend brands, though I probably will at some point. I just hate them believing the lies of food marketers. i have not read the book but I listen to their videos. some of their work is fascinating dogs are amazing! but when they fall into the trap of ingredient comparisons and leave nutrition, That's when I get crazy. they never mention nutrients! Never! they just support the bogus ingredient game the pet food marketers play. they should know better!

Maybe Vets feed Hills because a big truck shows up in their parking lot each week and unload pallets of food labeled Science Diet! And the school they attended got endowments from Hills! Modern conveniences!

@@martincroke75 hmmm, so you and I choose what to feed our dogs because we care about them deeply, but vets feed the dogs they care about because their vet school got money from Hills. Could it be they see the research. They see the results of feeding Hills, especially Prescription Diet. No, profit must be all they are interested. You actually prove my point of animals being harmed. You love and respect the people you follow so much that you demonize a whole profession created to help our animals. Most folks agree not as dedicated as you but will definitely listen and believe the vet and his products are evil. It causes confusion and they don’t know who to believe. You ask for longevity studies. Fair enough. Hard to prove longevity simply by nutrition. Why don’t you ask where’s the studies of managing renal disease and urinary stones and arthritis and allergies? There’s tons of those…but of course they are done with nutritionists and chemists from those evil companies. Btw, the average vet receives about 2 cases of food a week from the Hills truck. It’s actually a nuisance to most and they prefer Chewy and Amazon. The small profit they make on food doesn’t put a dent into the costs of the staff and equipment they use to help our animals. But I guess we all have our chosen bad guys.

@@martincroke75 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gbF_adVnmd6UqKc.html Hey Martin, Just found this vet and thought of you!

actually, a longevity study would be rather expensive. it seems you are asking a loaded question you already have an answer to! LOL! I know its not wolves. perhaps dogs in Norway eating raw??? i can only comment on what I know and saw. dogs who became very ill with various diseases were managed by dietary management by only three companies. Most of what we know about canine and feline nutrition was done by these three companies. and if i haven't said to you, I have said to others that I really appreciate the passion and commitment of those you mentioned. Some of their work is fascinating. but the fact is their philosophy plays right onto the hands of pet food marketers peddling crappy expensive foods with glamourous ingredients. this does affect dogs health! some of the most popular foods on KZfaq are grossly unbalanced and excessive. I used them every day in my seminars to show vets. often the cheaper grocery foods had better nutrient levels! this movement is not going to help animals. it is only going to help pet food companies benefiting from these folks genuine concerns. and yes, the industry and its labeling is terribly misleading!

Dr Judy Morgan and Dr Karen Becker have products they sell. Cookbooks, treats and other products especially Dr Morgan.