Norm MacDonald Interviews Jim Downey

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Norm MacDonald Interviews SNL writer Jim Downey on the Dennis Miller Show - July 16, 2008.

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@Densemankat 11 жыл бұрын

Had no idea Jim Downey was the "I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul" guy from Billy Madison.

@812DirtyJ 6 жыл бұрын

also, one of the bums in Dirty work

@lordmonty9421 3 жыл бұрын

I knew that. I totally knew that. Jim Downey rocks.

@king_draculakid6711 2 жыл бұрын

He’s also in There Will Be Blood. :) RIP NORM

@TheKitchenerLeslie 2 жыл бұрын

He wrote the famous First CityWide Change Bank sketches and is in those too. I was so stoned the first time I saw those in 1991 and laughed so hard at its absurdity that I thought I had gone insane... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eb50q7F037vXoIE.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gdWUpKyBssjdhZs.html

@murderc27 Жыл бұрын

@@lordmonty9421 okay, easy fella.

@SidelerMN 2 жыл бұрын

19:12 every once in a while I come back to this to listen to Gary’s call. I love how much Norm enjoys his question for Jim. God damn, gonna miss you Norm

@eddy87su 2 жыл бұрын

That was the most genuine laugh I ever heard from Norm. You can tell that Norm really liked the guy cause he reminded him of his people back home. He even has that thick Canadian/northern Midwest accent)

@harshailapakurty 2 жыл бұрын

That caller was delightful and I completely agree with the laugh 😊

@harshailapakurty 2 жыл бұрын

“If you’re gonna do four in a row, you’re not gonna have much time for pokin around the fire” oh Normie

@Sui_Generis0 2 жыл бұрын

What did he mean?

@nathanielmilner6646 Жыл бұрын

I do the exact same thing!!

@scromtrulescent 4 жыл бұрын

In 2005 I was an intern at SNL... most writers kept to themselves and seldom interacted with us. However, on show nights, I would stand just outside Lorne's office and watch the show with Jim Downey. He was open, approachable, and loved to joke around. I recognized him from a few 90's sketches, but only later realized how influential he's been.

@TheKitchenerLeslie 2 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gdWUpKyBssjdhZs.html

@vhscopyofseinfeld Жыл бұрын

That’s awesome. Thanks for sharing

@billbally4419 Жыл бұрын

Who are u

@garpfunkel2876 9 ай бұрын

That's very cool.

@nicknoga564 9 ай бұрын

@@billbally4419 well that’s just it… I was just some kid interning there. Lorne’s assistants would stick me outside his office to sort of restock his beer/wine and pour glasses for VIP guests. Usually I was invisible to those high-profile types… but Jim Downey saw fit to chat with me for whatever reason. (I think because I’d made a reference to an old sketch he’d done ten years before). He made a point to remember my name, include me in conversations he was having with other writers, etc. They were little gestures that meant a lot to me… gestures few other staffers were generous enough to make.

@zg9445 9 ай бұрын

I wish I could have called in to ask Jim where he gets his ideas from 😂😂😂

@MrVisde 9 ай бұрын

“What’ve you got poking in the fire?” is the next best question 😂

@JanGottschau 9 ай бұрын

😂

@chrismoseley349 9 ай бұрын

I love the "change" sketch Jim did. It was a sketch about a bank and he spent like two minutes talking about different combinations of change they could give out. F'ing hilarious.

@mightisright 9 жыл бұрын

This is basically a precursor to Norm's podcast. So funny.

@luukeluketer1024 7 жыл бұрын

He's just a cursor now .......Letterman 25th July.....

@BigNorm69 4 ай бұрын

@@mackhomie6he is now

@Roy__Batty 6 жыл бұрын

“So Jim, whaddaya got poking around in the fire?”

@edmcboy7746 6 жыл бұрын

That was pretty funny but a better question would have been to ask him where he gets his ideas from. To each his own, I suppose.

@Roy__Batty 6 жыл бұрын

Ed McBoy “Ed McBoy” is fucking amazing

@edmcboy7746 6 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is. Carl Reiner coined it during his Norm Macdonald Live episode. It's genius.

@francisdaly1757 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like something Norm would ask

@RoryMonaghan 11 жыл бұрын

It's a pity Jim doesn't do more acting himself. His Dead Pan delivery is excellent

@TheKitchenerLeslie 2 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gdWUpKyBssjdhZs.html

@BareBandSubscription 7 ай бұрын

Seriously. His bit part in Billy Madison features some of the best deadpan comic delivery I’ve ever seen.

@dashrirprock 9 жыл бұрын

At 30:56 Norm asks, "Who was the funniest guy ever on Saturday Night Live?" Downey eventually begins naming names... Norm finally says, "That's interesting you didn't mention a woman." Downey: "Oh, I thought you said 'the funniest guys'?" Norm: "No, I said 'the funniest performers.'"

@daviddavid1972 6 жыл бұрын

point?

@mackhomie6 6 жыл бұрын

david wood it's sorta funny

@Wingoball69 6 жыл бұрын

Really dude? its a joke, you're watching a norm macdonald interview. If u don't see the humor in mr dashriprock's comment then you probably shouldn't be here.

@murderc27 5 жыл бұрын

david w Is that supposed to be a takeoff from the joke or are you really that stupid?

@SOS-School_Of_Survival 5 жыл бұрын

He's a provocateur

@Daniel-RunToRoyal 11 жыл бұрын

So ahhh Jim, ahhh what do you got poking in the fire?? LOL!!!!!

@gaylordmcgillicuddy8745 6 жыл бұрын

I almost thought that was a planted call. It was just too perfect lol...

@chasedwards9626 9 ай бұрын

Norm using his opportunity as guest host to troll his old friend and corner him into saying something sexist is so classic.

@synchc 7 ай бұрын

This is probably the best chemistry I've ever seen from Norm. You can tell these two have an absolutely solid gold history, friendship and a profound respect for one another. Almost everything Norm says he's either baiting Jim, trying to derail him or sharing an in-joke and Jim's just ploughing on, trying to be professional and not laugh. Jus' two ol' lumps of coal with 1000 carat cores and a gold nugget of an interview for posterity.

@jthunderstriker 11 жыл бұрын

This is great. 2 geniuses having a conversation.

@albertfish1227 2 жыл бұрын

Real meeting of the the mindddd.

@craggles7538 9 ай бұрын

Are they good at math or something?

@synchc 7 ай бұрын

Yeah, there's a real stream of consciousness going on.

@ludwigfan3013 5 жыл бұрын

I had a life, a house, cars, respect in the community, suddenly it was all taken away. I think I finally realized how low I sunk. One day I was at my daughters soccer game, she lives with her mom, when I was standing on the sidelines and a cop came up and asked me to move along. That's when it hit me, I'm not even a human be...

@jewfroDZak 4 жыл бұрын

Heres your two dollars!

@rockitmorton 10 жыл бұрын

Name five great women writers on Saturday Night Live...... Hey you want to take a call from Joel!

@rockitmorton 4 жыл бұрын

@Aramis3737 Great idea! I completely understand what you're referring to 24:45

@Sh0n0 8 ай бұрын

19:59 is basically the origin of eget’s ‘where do you get your ideas from question

@seanwade8188 8 ай бұрын

I wonder if that was a set up by Norm, a genuine question, or just a random funny guy

@TheMitchyevans 2 жыл бұрын

30:54 Norm asks who the funniest guy on SNL was, then traps him a minute later by saying he asked who the best performer. A good gag, and he had Downey stumbling over himself.

@madforit2 5 жыл бұрын

That guy who rang in on 19:25 is hilarious

@pennystocklocks Жыл бұрын

Norm 100% set that up

@seanwade8188 8 ай бұрын

“What you got pokin’ in the fire?”

@utopian3d 3 жыл бұрын

Norm: name 5 great woman writers. Downey: uhhhhhhh

@opaljk4835 9 ай бұрын

And then does

@luukeluketer1024 9 жыл бұрын

Wow...Jim Downey knows his shit inside out.........

@Roggiedodgie 6 жыл бұрын

Until he starts praising Obama

@FlanzShirt 9 жыл бұрын

It's a true credit to Norm (though his fans already know this) that all of the significant Harvard Lampoon writers LOVE Norm. Jim, Steve O'Donnell, Conan....Funny people know funny. Norm is the best of the best.

@ImnotNorm 6 жыл бұрын

Flanz Shirt You don't have to be from ivy league schools to know what's funny

@Gush27 6 жыл бұрын

Love your videos! Great to see you on all of these Norm videos, nice to know there's a small community of us starving for Norm content. What's your favorite podcast episode? Mine is the Andy Dick and Todd Glass interviews.

@nostalgiajunkie 4 жыл бұрын

I'm not Norm I mean he’s known as a comedian’s comedian so it would make sense to refer to really funny people who’ve gone on record listing him as a favorite. Don’t simplify things, comedy can get complicated, especially when you’re dealing with norm or other Kauffman-esque comedians. A lot of the times the fact that the audience doesn’t understand IS the joke

@bmh18172 Жыл бұрын

@@ImnotNorm rare comment

@BunnyMan456 6 жыл бұрын

Jim is apparently Robert Downey Jr.'s uncle.

@saaketh83 Жыл бұрын

A real meeting of the minds. Like for real. Miss you norm, love you Jim.

@mischiefmikeyo 7 жыл бұрын

norms laugh when that caller asks what jims got going is the funniest part of this. must be fun being famous and having people ask you idiotic questions

@seanwade8188 8 ай бұрын

I thought the caller did that as a joke, I hope so cos I thought it was hilarious

@KingMinosxxvi 3 жыл бұрын

Obama was such a great salesman Americans forgot the war was going on.

@Bd951 2 жыл бұрын

The amount of jokes and sketches this guy has written over the years is probably staggering.

@JaneDoe-zr4px 8 жыл бұрын

I adore Norm on tv and in movies but would love him to do more radio. Love his intelligence, voice and sleepy/mellow quality. Also when he's in his super-sleepy-Xanax mode, he gives major ASMR tingles. Norm rules.

@mackhomie6 6 жыл бұрын

Jane Doe he gives major asmr tingles? what in the hell does that mean

@mackhomie6 6 жыл бұрын

Aha I was just typing that same question when I saw my own comment from two months ago

@Dhardy316 9 ай бұрын

I would love him to do more radio also!!

@mpoukanouka6622 2 жыл бұрын

I love how even the first 15 minutes of them bloviating about politics is practically a lame half arsed bit, because that's what the Dennis Miller crowd usually wants to hear

@grands1am 11 жыл бұрын

I listened to this just because I'll listen to anything with Norm, but now I know that Jim Downey is the guy who did the hilarious Grayson Moorhead Securities commercial from SNL.

@adamcoe 9 ай бұрын

If My Wife Calls

@maya-em4mr 6 жыл бұрын

Jim May God Have Mercy On Your Soul Downey

@beterbutz 7 жыл бұрын

This is Robert Downey jrs uncle

@quincee33 11 жыл бұрын

Norm is from Ottawa, he knows politics. He has a brother Neil who hosts The 5th Estate on CBC.

@aliofly 5 жыл бұрын

7:00 Norm already noticing in 2008 that 'fake news' had been co-opted

@Roescoe 2 жыл бұрын

And calling out the female double standard

@opaljk4835 9 ай бұрын

@@Roescoethe female double standard…which one?

@Roescoe 9 ай бұрын

@@opaljk4835 "That's interesting you didn't mention a woman." Downey: "Oh, I thought you said 'the funniest guys'?" Norm: "No, I said 'the funniest performers.'" He knows they're not any good in comparison to guys, but that's not funny. So uh Double standard? HAHA you must be out of your mind.

@opaljk4835 9 ай бұрын

@@Roescoe comparing woman to each other vs comparing guys to each other is a double standard?

@Mr_Never_Sad 2 жыл бұрын

Here’s a fun fact that I just learned Jim Downey is Robert Downey Jr’s uncle.

@pennystocklocks Жыл бұрын

haha yeah that guy who called was a real jerk

@quiet1234 10 жыл бұрын

Norm is such a troll. But his friends get it, as you can tell with the way Jim handles the interview, anyone else would think norms being a rude interviewer but his friends know that hes just joshin em :)

@normmacdonaldrules4602 8 жыл бұрын

+quiet1234 My name is Josh and FUCK YOU!

@MichaelStarkey 6 жыл бұрын

They are friends and writing geniuses. The whole show is a gag, and on fire.

@WillHerndon 9 ай бұрын

23:13 Norm pretending to praise Kristen Wiig "I saw her doing something on Update, I dunno what it was but she talked real fast? Man, she's good" lmao

@veespa_ 4 жыл бұрын

“...he has a question I’ve always wanted to know about!” “yea, hey Jim, I am really curious & have always wondered... where do you get your ideas from?”

@mattbowman9526 3 жыл бұрын

Frank Stallone

@pj545 3 жыл бұрын

Super Dave's response to this is so damn funny!

@kaithongsavanh3649 4 жыл бұрын

Jim Downey worked with Norm at that duo also did the “Celebrity Jeopardy” skits. It was Norm and Jim who wrote all those.

@noahgreene1955 2 жыл бұрын

It was Norm and Steve Higgins

@peterd5843 3 жыл бұрын

"what you got pokin' in the fire?"

@EkafEmanresu 6 жыл бұрын

19:12 lol this guy

@IWantSomethingNew 5 жыл бұрын

The guy's going to remember forever that he made Norm crack up! Not a small achievement for a common man calling on the radio!

@thomasipkiss8793 8 ай бұрын

They are like brothers

@hazerebitaraf 11 жыл бұрын

Bani Sadr alive, and currently lives in France; Ghotbzadeh, however was executed for conspiracy shortly after the revolution.

@MelBrewer 5 жыл бұрын

Hard to believe Downeey when he says the heavy drug use stopped in season 3. Garrett Morris, Laraine Newman, and Belushi all had bad drug problems throughout their time on the show, which the living ones admit to.

@pts5217 3 жыл бұрын

Thought the same thing. It seemed to end more like after 4/5 years. Lorne Michaels started cracking down after Belushi got really out of control.

@MrVisde 9 ай бұрын

Jim: “Pat was a man. Anyone who watched the show can very clearly see that…” Norm: “Oh, because Farley said it was a woman…” Jim: “Yup, she could be. I can see that. Maybe…” 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@johnwalsh6998 4 жыл бұрын

I really, really want to fix that image box around Downey so it’s lined up with Norm’s.

@apachedisco 9 жыл бұрын

Norm is a genius. Crazy bat-shit peeing in jars kinda cra cra. I love him.

@strangerinthealps5874 7 жыл бұрын

Peeing in jars LOL

@mackhomie6 6 жыл бұрын

D WMS stern has said more than once that norm told him he pees in bottles at home, but norm always kind of ignores it or does his "whaaaaaat?" until stern moves on

@DrDebD 5 жыл бұрын

Good God why?

@boeing_opal 2 ай бұрын

Downey's interpretation of Iran-Contra is completely nuts lol. Doesn't even mention the cocaine trafficking

@johnlilly0 2 жыл бұрын

I'd say Jim Downey's commentary about Hillary Clinton's failure to take Obama seriously (at around 11:00) both is correct and eerily foreshadows her fate as a candidate against Donald Trump in 2016. Weird--but not surprising given that Jim Downey is an astute observer and analyst of lots of stuff in my experience. Anyway, like a lot of people I'm watching this because I'm missing Norm MacDonald, and also because KZfaq apparently knows that about me and keeps shoving his stuff down my throat. To my great delight, I might add.

@josephkelley8641 3 жыл бұрын

Posting below made me recall the beautiful, classy, hysterical Marilyn Suzanne Miller - who taught comedy-writing around NYC for those lucky-enough to get in. (Monday night 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. - the great Joe Minion a few seats away). .

@josephkelley8641 3 жыл бұрын

Marilyn being the former Head Writer of SNL - a real hottie from the Midwest - I think Marilyn was working for Kresge's when she decided she'd become a comedy writer. Kresge's.!!!

@josephkelley8641 3 жыл бұрын

Kresge's being the Rite-Aid of its' time - though not a chain - very East Coast.

@kirkstable 2 жыл бұрын

Real stream of consciousness

@krisschaefer876 8 жыл бұрын

best 'Update' ever...

@timadamson3378 9 ай бұрын

Freed the hostages? That happened immediately once Reagan was elected.

@boeing_opal 2 ай бұрын

Yeah his understanding of the whole thing is uh a little off base

@bigLdrones 5 жыл бұрын

I’m all cleared up on the Pat thing.. finally

@josephallen9261 6 жыл бұрын

The call at about 19:10 was beautiful. If it was a set-up, it was impressive. (gotta be another comedian? a friend of norm's?)

@zenoftupac9096 5 жыл бұрын

Sounded like Chris Farley’s Brother ( Kevin Farley )

@nicholaskothari8150 3 жыл бұрын

one the biggest laughs from Norm i've heard... so funny!

@ENigma-um8zw 2 жыл бұрын

The Iran contra bit had me rolling so hard

@JoJaDaRu 11 жыл бұрын

Great upload, this is what youtube is all about. Not some stupid vlog.

@00001Rob 4 жыл бұрын

They still suck 7 years later 😁

@josephkelley8641 3 жыл бұрын

"Best UPDATE in the history of Comedy, not just SNL." I get a little twinge because of my love/respect for the great Chevy Chase. Who just blew-up in front of our eyes - took over - cover of Tim, Newsweek - if he got any hotter he'd have exploded (taken about 100 people with im). -But Norm and Jim - yeah, something very very special - in fact Lightning. -Norm and Jim proved that LIGHTNING CAN STRIKE TWICE cuz they went-for-it-, went hard, hit hard - took no prisoners - and at the exact moment in time when Political Correctness STARTED. In fact Norm MacDonald was (pc's) it's very first VICTIM. But it just made Norm greater. not richer maybe - but Norm's about Truth not Legal Tender. .God Bless Norm, Jim Downey and Chevy - (deep bows) .

@mattfinleylive 9 ай бұрын

Jan hooks was great.

@pizzapizza9091 2 жыл бұрын

True interviewer. With out a desk...

@kmcg6444 5 жыл бұрын

Prescient points re: Obama vs Hilary the first time (about 10 minutes in).

@somarriba333 9 ай бұрын

Now I am smarter for listening to this.

@edmcboy7746 6 жыл бұрын

Jim's prediction about Casey Wilson didn't quite pan out.

@alexholycross9524 6 жыл бұрын

Ed McBoy A1 profile name

@joshuathomas5626 6 жыл бұрын

Is that because stalin was worse you wife fucking jew hater

@pennystocklocks Жыл бұрын

20:00 Norm Losing It LoL...

@greenvelvet 3 жыл бұрын

If Jim Downey and Norm Macdonald started a podcast about American foreign policy. I would listen to that religiously. to be honest if they started a podcast talking about anything I would listen to it

@pennystocklocks Жыл бұрын

you think norm had people call in

@ToxicCityOfficial 9 ай бұрын

After listening several times I can confirm that the caller at 20:00 is the great Sid Youngers

@corymcpherson1235 9 ай бұрын

Gary from Saginaw has a lot of pokers in the fire

@Guntherthefool 4 жыл бұрын

I could watch/listen to a whole video of just norm trying to pronounce Arab names and words.

@APOLLO-dy8rc 4 жыл бұрын

Those names weren't Arab, they were Iranian

@Guntherthefool 4 жыл бұрын

@@APOLLO-dy8rc sorry for my ignorance but it was only half ignorant as I also want to hear him pronounce Arabic names. I could listen to him trying to pronounce Farsi or Arabic names all day

@theducksneezes4987 6 жыл бұрын

Name Five great women writers 24:44

@MsElke11 6 жыл бұрын

Jim Downey.... the second most important person behind SNL, according to Dennis Miller. He served as writer for 32 years on SNL... brother of Robert Downey Jr. and a HARVARD GRAD. Not bad for someone who isn't easily recognizable!

@thebrazilianatlantis165 5 жыл бұрын

"brother of Robert Downey Jr." No.

@josephdykes1820 9 ай бұрын

@thebrazilianatlantis165 yeah, junior is not Jim's last name

@JackTempest94 2 ай бұрын

Jim Downey is Robert Downey Jr.'s Paternal Half Uncle. Jr's Father was Born Robert Elias. His father died, then his mother married someone by the name of Downey. Who adopted Robert Elias, changing his name to Robert Downey. They had Jim Downey a few years later.

@DizKord1600 6 жыл бұрын

TIL Jim Downey is Robert Downey Jr's uncle

@trevorphillips5201 11 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I hate people do impressions of funny stuff. Impossible to find Christopher Walken Census and Cow bell.

@scottprice6927 2 жыл бұрын

Norm could've done this as a career a la Miller, Corolla, others. He was too funny to get a bs interview show going. Downey is his favorite person so he's into it here

@bcast9978 4 жыл бұрын

The real estate man.

@amirbostani734 4 жыл бұрын

Bani Sadre is alive, and lives in France Norm.

@Turnheadcough 8 ай бұрын

Satins instrument he hit that on the head it is

@handfullocheez 11 жыл бұрын

you have it backward

@zg9445 9 ай бұрын

Here’s your two dollars!

@lpowers 9 ай бұрын

Norm was a big fan of Bani-Sadr.

@treasurechest2951 Жыл бұрын

Norm does ask who's the funniest *guy* 30:55 then gaslights Jim for not answering with a woman

@pburnzzz9260 5 жыл бұрын

'7.00, "Fake News"....If they only knew what it would mean in the Trump era

@angelmanfredy 8 ай бұрын

I called the number but no one answered. 😢

@NetCerpher 9 ай бұрын

What happened to Jim? Just saw him on Conan’s pod. Hard to believe it’s visibly him.

@seanwade8188 8 ай бұрын

He was cursed with the side effects of a long period of time

@demoistogu3935 9 ай бұрын

😊

@Josh1billion Жыл бұрын

"Norm Macdonald was the funniest man to ever live" -people with a propensity to tell the truth "no" -liars

@ifyouseekade 2 жыл бұрын

32:20 Jim "I hate women" Downey

@Benjabola 11 жыл бұрын

that ended kinda awkwardly. i hope there was more radio show after where downey wasn't just put in a corner

@ili626 3 жыл бұрын

I’m surprised Jim Downey placed Belushi in the “second tier” of talent. Anyone else surprised? ..or have I been overrating Belushi?... or underrating Ackroyd & Murray etc?

@natwolf687 10 ай бұрын

He was ok.

@sageantone7291 4 жыл бұрын

Who's with Norm?

@corymcpherson1235 9 ай бұрын

Pat…was a WOMAN

@ComedyJakob 4 жыл бұрын

Hey I hope you're not related to the Roberts Downeys Well, he's their brother and uncle so

@johnisaacdavey 8 жыл бұрын

anybody know what Jim Downey's IQ is?

@HelgeStrichen 7 жыл бұрын

104

@TheEleatic 9 ай бұрын

“Fake News” will never catch on.

@waremblem3405 7 жыл бұрын

Occasionally, sane people work in TV. About as often as when the DB Cooper's bail out at 30,000 feet, but hey, it's better than nothing. Ebersole, what an ass. No wonder his wife dumped him!

@TELEthruVOXx 7 жыл бұрын

War Emblem this comment reads like a trump tweet. Bravo

@waremblem3405 7 жыл бұрын

The connection of whatever Trump would tweet and --- sorry, got distracted. Some pharma company finally hired an ATTRACTIVE (non-botoxed) lady for their Viagra TV ad. I got REALLY distracted. Four hours from now, I should be back to normal.

@MikeHunt-rw4gf 9 ай бұрын

algorithm

@bearpickle 6 жыл бұрын

I was shocked to learn Jim Downey is dull.

@greggreaves1727 9 ай бұрын

abolhassan banisadr wasn't executed. what kind of crap is this

@2HHB 3 жыл бұрын

one of the most disappointing interviews ive ever listened to. this guy has so many untapped stories

@andysott 2 жыл бұрын

HOw you lovin Obama NOW? lol

@byronwelichko8577 6 жыл бұрын

Downey supports Obama cause “he’s a cool guy.” ... Downey sounds like a real smart guy.

@gerrydooley951 2 жыл бұрын

well, he did attend Harvard which isn't exactly community college. Also, I'm sure he has other reasons why he liked Obama

@paul1x1 7 жыл бұрын

man you tube ruined comedy for me watching these genius comics on interviews or Howard wherever they don't have bits or writers they are just conversing with each other they are boring

@snuffmeister6720 7 жыл бұрын

that is literally the exact opposite of what i feel personally. have a thumb.

@mackhomie6 6 жыл бұрын

paul1x1 your own unrealistic expectations have more to do with it than KZfaq, I'd think