Gents please ignore the one sd error shown. We had a snafu with either the chrono or myself. The xtreme shot comparable sd to the special match each session

It's not easy making premium rimfire ammo.....but marketing rimfire ammo is much easier

Between your channel and ‘Day At The Range’ (and I must include Cyclops Joe in this mix)…I find more useful information on .22 ammunition than any other KZfaq channels 👍🤘👍🤘👍🤘

A fair & honest comparison… I like it.

Thanks Josh ,I’ve been waiting for a review on the ammo

Glad you did this one. I was going to order in a brick of the normal to test. Saved me the time and expense. Thanks

Absolutely the most accurate 22 rimfire ammo I ever shot was the dimpled primer match ammo from federal that they made in the 90s wish someone would make something like it again.

Thank you for the information and video!!!❤

Continually, the best practical rimfire info on KZfaq. Thanks again, brother. Helps with shooting paper or bushy tails. I really value the info for making the best decisions. I'm still trying to find Pursuit of Accuracy camo straws for my next hunt...😜

I bought 2 50ct boxes and will tested at 200 yds this weekend on my Savage Mark II TR. Thanks for the video.

I saw these the other day. Thanksnfor the test!!

Thanks for sharing your results. The community really appreciates the work you do brother!

Thank you Josh again for a good video of information and data.

Thanks Josh, and Len. Plenty of good info there. This is the way...

great job as always buddy

Great video. Not everything that glitters is gold.

That’s awesome love the info you otta do the same test but with all kinds of different ammo. Love all your videos!!

Bought a brick last summer of the norma to test. Wasnt the best at 50, 100, 150m from my t1x, but in windy conditions and 300 meters it held its accuracy better vs other match ammo that was more accurate at the shorter distances

Thanks Josh. I’m probably going to just get a few boxes rather than a whole brick at this time. One box for each of my guns to see if any of them like this brand.

Good stuff Josh. I don't think there's any point in further testing. The ES, SD and BC numbers have already spoken.

Great video josh not seen the Norma yet but have tried the rws version off memory it was running around 1250 in my 1710 Ran it against R50 at 50 and 100 on a very windy day was OK but had double the SD 12😮 Strangely it was the best match ammo on the Kyl at 221 y 202m

I'll stick with CCI standard velocity ..all my guns love CCI 1070...

Very impressive group at 150 yards

Good video. A semi-interesting story: about a month ago I shot an NRL22 match with a 10/22. I determined that Norma Match was the best choice given my options at the time. A week before the match I shot some groups and got my dope, everything looked good. Match day was right around freezing and the Norma Match felt like it was shooting slower than expected. It was .2-.6 mils low depending on the target range. My unscientific conclusion was that the heavy lube on the Norma Match did not like the cold temperature. For this and a couple of other reasons I decided not to use Norma Match anymore. Now that I think about it, calling this a semi-interesting story was a bit of a stretch. Anyhoo, thanks for doing what you do.

Another good one.

Another Great Video 💯, Thanks 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

The regular Norma match I just tested at 50 yards. Shot 1/2” groups out of a CZ457 with Lilja. I’m stoked to run it at my next NRL. Not bad for $7 a box ammo. No matter how good the ELR stuff is…I just can’t justify $30 in ammo costs for a single comp, let alone all the practice costs. They’re outta their mind at that price.

RWS Special Match is made on the R50/100 machines.

I also would like to see it with a Krieger or another cut rifled barrel.

The Norma extreme is the same as the Rws long range plus ive tested both and it only comes into its own over 300 yards and good at 500 yards saves about 10 moa at 500 yards i worked for the uk importer . and use to lot test for them.

Thank you. The only variable that could make it better is a different rifle that MAY like it. The numbers don’t show a reason to spend the extra $.

Compare against SK long Range and match barrels that have different types of rifling, (button, cut, hammered). That would tell us a lot more about this ammo.

Very interesting test! I would really like to see your test at 300Y if you can with little wind... ;) thanks

Good first test, but definitely needs additional testing. Any ammo needs lot testing to find what shoots best in your rifle. Temperature, humidity and wind will have an impact on the results. I would not write it off yet. I agree that expectations are high when you look at the cost compared to other ammo. I have a few boxes and I am going to go for the 300/400 yd steel. That's the only way to see if it's hype or not.

Very interesting That Norma bullet looks like the one they use in the RWS R-Plus long range. 43g with a cone base. Would you be able to compare the Norma to the R-Plus long rang next time. Ps. I use RWS for my long range shooting Any time I tested Norma it never shot well for me. Keep up the good work 🍀💪🇮🇪

Both rifles you used were button rifled. A Kriger or Bartlein would be cut rifled and most Rugers are hammer forged. Using rifles with different types of barrels would make the test more informative. But I always enjoy your videos.

Great video as usual. What is that nice looking pad you’ve got on your cheek riser?

I almost bought some kinda glad I didn't now after seeing this video I would do at least 400 yard testing due to their claims about the distances you can shoot this ammo.

I noticed the warmer the day I shot it the better the SD🤷🏻‍♂️

Would like to see it tested in a cut rifled barrel and a barrel with a twist that is faster than the normal 1:16.

Is that BC reading from the FX accurate. Many people say it’s not

I think we all knew it was going to be another norma gimmick 😊 we have seen much better ammo on your channel for less dough. Thanks for revealing the truth and setting things straight! 🙌 🎉

Thanks for testing! Currious what bolt shim you ran in the cz and if you change depending on ammo?

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I wouldnt expect to see any differance until out to 3 4 500 yards when the projectiles spin has slowed "extreme". I think this is when the sectional density may play a big part. Not only have they Gouged the lead out of the base but the price ffs. Wouldnt it only be one more die and step in the manufacturing process ?

Does the first impact then become the point of aim? Do you try and keyhole the first round or are you still aiming center target? Always Wondered. My guess is the first scenario.

you should try RWS r100 if you can get it.

Hey Josh, any plans to retest this now that we have warmer temps? Whidden has a bunch of lots of this stuff to choose, might be interesting to see if you got a bum lot or got bit by cold weather. IME, Norma doesn't do well in the cold.

Hey Pursuit of Accuracy...Ive got a 22lr chamber question. What reamer does CZ457 use? Mine is crazy accurate and I'm building a Custom.Whats the best reamer for a bolt action magazine fed? Ihave a Stiller action & Lilja 3 groove barrel? Freeland MG is what I'm looking at.Also looked at Lilja Match..I called Lilja and the girl a Lilja couldn't tell me squat.except I think we use Lilja 3 reamer now.She had No info on dimensions.Everyone at Shit Show I guess

What ammo do you recommend to try 500yrd. I'm going to try it this spring.

do 300 on a calm day - with the theme song music 🤓

The FX Chrony does not reliably show an accurate BC because it does not actually pick up the bullet for the full distance and instead guesses at what the speed will be at said distances.

The only difference I see is 19 dollars a box. In fact, I thought the RWS was just a little better on group size.

I've had this ammo all it does is jam in my 1911

What I find concerning is the price points you are seeing some of the "match " grade ammo these days approaching that $25 a box of 50 threshold which in my opinion is getting ridiculous. I can understand the $15-$18 or so premium pricing on the good stuff but it is reaching a point the products performance at these really high levels is not matching what the price point is. Just like this video, the $15 a box ammo performed as well as the new higher priced stuff so how can they justify the higher prices?

I would have liked to see it against a $8 box of Norma Match. I have a lot of it my MTR doesn’t hate. Let me know if you want a box and I’ll donate it for some channel content. I also have some RWS Rifle Match at $11 a box that shoots about the same SD’s and ES’s

I got lucky and paid 130 for my brick I got online

I DON'T HAVE A ENGINERING DEGREE FROM AN IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL LIKE MIT (THANK GOD) BUT TO IMPROVE BC I THINK YOU START AT THE FRONT OF THE PROJECTILE NOT THE ASS END.. . JUST SAYIN🤔🤔🤔

It starts from 40 cents per round - are they f***ng crazy there? I would rather hand load .223 rem for this money and get better results at further distances.

I'll stick with the less expensive Norma. And don't shoot in the wind.🙂

Great low wind day to try ammo out. Perfect conditions. Thats what i expected to see with the advertised numbers. I would think these engineers would know better by now. They should hire a top notch rimfire benchrest shooter for input. That ammo will never see my guns barrel. Wasted effort norma.

“Groups do not reconverge.” Tuners would like a word with you. The concept of positive compensation is based on changing where groups converge to happen at the distance you want it to happen at. Tune a rifle to get the absolute best groups you can get at 50 yards and you’ve now made it shoot worse at every other distance. That’s the whole point of a tuner and positive compensation. What you do with the tuner changes where the “best distance” is located. The same thing still happens without a tuner installed. You just give up control over where that “best distance” is without one. This is easy to test with a centrefire rifle and multiple electronic targets. Set one up at 100 yards, 200 yards, 300 yards, etc., such that one bullet will go through every target frame and you will see for yourself that a 1” group (or ~1 MOA) group at 100 yards does bot translate into a 2” group (still ~1 MOA) at 200 yards and a 3” group (still ~1 MOA) at 300 yards, etc. A given rifle with a given load will shoot best at precisely ONE distance and will shoot worse than that at every other distance. This is confirmed by simple ballistic theory. I’ll give you an exaggerated example to illustrate the point. That rifle might shoot 1 MOA at 100 yards, and the same bullets continuing on to 200 yards might yield a 0.75 MOA group at that distance, and then 0.5 MOA at 300 yards, and then 0.75 MOA at 400 yards, 1.0 MOA at 500 yards, 1.5 MOA at 600 yards, 2.0 MOA at 700 yards. In that case you can see rather easily that the best group is at 300 yards. And it shoots worse every where else. Every single rifle is like that. A given rifle with a given load shoots best at one distance, and only one distance. Real results won’t be exaggerated that badly, but the same idea still applies. If you can gather together two or more electronic targets to set up at different distances that will be the easiest way to confirm this with your own eyes. Shoot a few different rifles and a few different loads and you will see that each one will shoot better at a specific distance and worse at the others. And the idea of positive compensation explains why. Playing with a ballistic calculator can help understand this, too. A ballistic calculator will give you what would happen in an ideal situation where you have perfect bullets with perfect loads and barrels that do not vibrate. Real world results deviate from what the calculator tells you because bullets aren’t perfect, loads aren’t perfect, barrels vibrate, etc. Shoot a 5-shot group with the chronograph set up. You’ll have the velocity for each shot. You’ll have the actual landing spot on target for each shot. Use the calculator to determine what the elevation of each shot should have been in an ideal situation and compare that to the actual results. On average, a large part of the deviation from the calculator’s ideal result is because the barrel vibrated and was pointing somewhere else. A tuner lets you turn that phenomenon into positive compensation if you set it up correctly. The calculator might tell you that with the velocity spread of those 5 shots you should have had a 1 MOA group. But you actually got a 0.5 MOA group. Why? Positive compensation is why. Maybe you actually got a 1.5 MOA group instead. It is still the same reason, only in this case you would call it negative compensation. Positive compensation means you ultimately aim faster shots lower and aim slower shots higher. Adjust the amount of compensation just the right amount via a tuner and you’ll have faster and slower shots hitting at the same elevation. So you get groups that are better than without the tuner. Get it wrong and you might aim faster shots higher and slower shots lower, resulting in groups that are bigger than without the tuner.

It's all what your rifle likes, be it $5 or $25 a box....... With that being said, shoot what you can afford !!

Looks like the Extreme suffers from some marketing hype. An SD of 33 is not acceptable. It looks like it may be suffering from a high velocity first round event just like the Eley does. A rocket tail and a lower BC makes no sense. Over hyped and not worth it.

$30 a box no thanks

This is pointless in windy conditions

My tikka shoots better than your rifles with that ammo. But to shoot the best it needs lapua.

I've shot tac-22 that shot better than that.