Amen brother ...nobody endures without the power of the Holy Spirit. Endurance is not a work by us but by His grace.

Very sound teaching. Let us pray for all believers that they may endure to the end in Jesus name.

Please pray for my deliverance from sexual immorality and addiction as well as endurance until the end, in the name of Jesus. I want to live the life God has called me to.

I sure am glad that Jesus endured until the end on my behalf. 🙂👍

Well, right now crushing people under my none feet doesn’t feel good, however vengeance is mine saith the Lord. You can’t imagine how blessed that is to me being an amputee with chronic pain. I can’t wait for that day !

Ohmgosh this has been so beautiful thank you so much I am literally jumping out of my self right now n happiness of the awesomeness of our God can’t wait I cannot wait for the day to be with him for eternity to be with our master and our Lord for eternity amen to the king of kings & lord of lords

The voices I hear are you’ll never make it, you can’t get through a day let alone a lifetime…. It wears me down but I get back up because his mercies are new every morning

Amen. Delivered through, not from. Keep your eyes on Yeshua.

Let's lock arms and cross the finish line... Gave me good chills and happy tears❤

Thank you, Joel. God bless you and your ministry.

Joel this has been a very dynamic and truthful teaching May the Lord keep giving you His Strength to courageously expose the frightening false teaching about escapism that does not prepare the Body of Christ for what is ahead

Patience of the saints... War against the saints... Prayer and fasting ... Weapons against powers and principalities... Love of Christ compel us all, Amen!

Maranatha 🙏🏻 Come Lord Yeshua 🙏🏻

"And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Revelation 12:11 I was raised in the pre-trib, pre-rath, rapture teaching. Then, God opened my eyes as He continues to wash me in the whole context and counsel of His Word. My spirit bares witness with His Spirit and Word as you are teaching. There is deep peace, the fear of the Lord, His Almighty power and His love for those who will believe in Christ. My heart cries out to know Him in Spirit and in truth, to prepare the way for our soon coming King and to be in fellowship with those who receive this teaching. He knew we would be in the earth during this time and has given us all we need in His victory to overcome. Praying about participating in the July Summit. Maranatha!!!

Thanks again Joel. Wonderful teaching.

It’s crazy how people allow fear to keep them from hearing the truth. People get so mad at me when I tell them that God doesn’t show favoritism. They don’t like hearing that we are the tribulation saints. It’s so mind blowing that they rather believe a lie than the truth. Repenting is the only escape we have from the wrath of God.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I AM, there ye may be also.

Thank you. May the spirit continue you with you as you help us to come to the truth.

Excellent teaching!

MARANATHA🙏🙏🙏

Thank you. It provides a full answer to something I was trying to explain a couple of weeks ago

God poured His wrath on Egypt and He spared Israelis. They didn't have to leave. God knows who is who... I think some people are so afraid of the tribulation and don't trust God to see them thru...and that's even a greater sin!... All the saints dying during the great tribulation are those who are willingly giving their lives for the testimony of Jesus, being slaughtered by the AC and going as matyrs for Jesus. They are welcomed with white robes, guys! These saints are very special in heaven. In the millennial kingdom these saints will be celebrities.. 👏👏 There are no saints dying from the plagues. The bible clearly states those killed by plagues refuse to repent and more wrath comes. So God is protecting saints from the wrath but allowing matyrdom...God is highly glorified when we die as matyrs..

May I please have some prayer? I’ve been smoking weed for a couple of years. I’d say I got fooled as I’m sure many have but I have been pressed by Holy Spirit for a while to quit and I’ve been ignoring him. I’m quitting and of course the withdrawals are terrible. And their bad in top of already having an exceptionally rough year. I have seen what’s happening across the world of this “Man dressed in White.” I know who it is. And now there’s revival happening hear and I want to take part in full authenticity for God. I realize now that I’ve hidden my true self from God I want out of this. Thank you everyone and Maranatha

I LOVE THESE TEACHINGS

Thank you for your encouragement.

This is one of the most clear and concise teachings that I’ve heard on the end times and Jesus’ Second Coming! Thank you!! 👍🏻🙏

Not appointed unto wrath. Appointed unto tribulations because it’s the tribulum which separates wheat from chaff.

So concise and clear, thank you so much❤️🙏🏼!!

As always, thank you for teaching what the scriptures actually say. The fullness of the scriptures is paramount to a true understanding as well as to honing one's faith. It is always great to hear someone speak of their understanding and to hear my own understanding in those words.

Your opening prayer, or lack there of, moves me to tears.

This is "solid food" that we're so much in need. Thank you very much Joel and FAI Team, you're a blessing !!! All series of FAI studies are biblical based and down to earth teachings that has been opening my spiritual understanding of who our Messiah and Lord Jesus really is !!! It's so profound, incredible and most important to our lives, I can't even put it in words how it affects me. May He keep protecting and blessing all of you guys every new morning 🙌🏻 thanks a lot !!! After these last years listening and watching your great work, I feel like I've known you personally for a long time 🤭 it may sound strange but it's real. 🌼 And I'm so thankful that God has approached me to courageous and bold sisters and brothers who are up to teach us the whole biblical truth !!! Amen and amen, maranatha!!! 🙌🏻

AMEN ON THE SCRIPTURAL TEACHING OF A POST TRIB RAPTURE & CONDITIONAL SALVATION. MOST IN THE BODY HAVE IT WRONG BECAUSE SIN & SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS FROM THE DEVIL HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES

Beautiful teaching, thank you so much. I shall send to my ex pre trib Pastor. He has So many following his false teaching. How sad to see, he has young families and old people and all sorts...and he is leading them to slaughter 😥 Praise God that He gave me eyes to see and ears to hear. HalleluYAH 🙌

It all boils down to what they define TRIBUALTION is VS what WRATH is. The TRIBUALTION , the 3.5 years, is NOT GOD's WRATH! We will not get God's WRATH, but we will be here for the GREAT TRIBULATION, again which is not GOD's Wrath. . .

That's so true! If we cannot be on the earth while the wrath of God is bring revealed upon the earth, then what do we do with Romans 1? The fact is that currently the wrath of God IS being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of man, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness. This is the "simmering" wrath of God - the wrath that is seen within individuals and within certain cultures. However, there is the "boiling over" wrath of God that is coming.

Amen 🙏🙏🙏

I absolutely love the intro music and Thank you Brother for your knowledge and wisdom.

Amen! Joel.

Just finished listening on the app. One of your best hours of teaching ever, Joel! Such a wonderful study!

Amen

👍🏻maranatha!

Having studied eschatology for over 40 years, God knows my heart is to know and believe truth. While I appreciate much of your teachings, I’m most definitely of the belief that Jesus will bring His bride, the church, to Heaven to be with Him while God pours out His wrath on this world. To say that pre-tribbers believe the church will not ever face tribulations is false. The church has faced constant tribulations since Jesus was taken up to Heaven. I think when Jesus says that the end time will be as the days of Noah and the days of Lot, He is teaching that as Noah was protected from Gods wrath on this earth, and as Lot was protected from Gods wrath, so will the bride of Christ, be protected. Jesus took Gods wrath on the cross..As believers in Christ, we do not have to face Gods wrath. During the 7 years of tribulation, there will be those that come to Christ and most likely will be put to death. There would be no need of 144,000 witnesses, 2 witnesses in Jerusalem, and the angel that flies over the earth proclaiming the Gospel if no one believes during the tribulation. So I listened to several of your teachings to hear both sides. In my spirit I’m still firm on my understanding. Should I see the Anti Christ make a 7 year peace treaty with Israel, I’ll reconsider. Peace to you.

Amen my brothers and sisters I'm a studyre of birds you guys in Israel at least 280 different species meat eating birds just came out of nowhere for the great feast

Great video

Pastors don't even like to talk about Christ flipping tables and driving out the money changers with a whip. So I appreciate a sound teaching on His indignation with the unritious. It's convicting and encouraging at the same time.

We have a lot of nambi pambi Christians yesterday and today that cry loud to the Lord when suffering from the worlds persecution rather than thanking the Lord that they are found worthy. For those Foxes Book of Martyrs would be a good read.

Amen Joel..I loved this session..very challenging,thought provoking and encouraging. I always learn so much from you.. teachings I've never heard in all my years as a believer..for such a time as this. Maranatha ❤️

Excellent teacher thank you you break it down so well God bless you and your family 🙏🙏🙏❤

Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress ALONE; and of the people there was NONE WITH ME: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. This is probably an oversimplification, but I would appreciate hearing your teaching on how believers are going to join in this trampling.

Hidden on earth in a place prepared for them, those remaining are caught up as He comes back and they join Him on His March to Jerusalem.

Wooooow😮 beautiful brother Joel! THAT’S OUR BLESSED HOPE RIGHT THERE!! MALACHI 3:4!! 🙏🙏 The glorious return of our king! Thanks brother Joel!!

Thank you

Beware Of False Teachers Who Come With Confusion In The Last Days

Thank you Joel for making clear sense of this message.

Thank you for your commitment to this teaching. I am finding this very helpful in my understanding of eschatology. It would be very helpful if you would display a timeline of events as you describe in this series. Thank you again!

Not appointed to Gods wrath is true. But the tribulation is Satans wrath.

Discipleship 101, I love it, Praise God❤️🙏🏼

Thank you for this video, and for your emphasis on enduring till the end. I was just reading a few days ago in Revelation 2 and the common phrase Jesus gives to John to write down for all the seven churches is: "The one who conquers...".

Joel, great point about the saints participation in the graphic events. Revelation 19:17-18 NKJV Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, [18] that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great."

The key to understanding the timing of the rapture is Revelation. It's telling you it's in order. That is why you have the 7 seals. The 7 trumpets, the Seven Bowls. If you can't see they are in order you will never get it. The first mention of the wrath of God is right after.... Rev 6 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and [g]behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the [h]moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, Rev 7 the Christians are around the throne of God. They came out of the great tribulation. The rapture has already happened. You are given the order of events right here. The 5th seal is the culmination of the tribulation for Christians. We are on the earth during the first 5 seals. After the sun, the moon, and the stars is the rapture. Compare to Mat 24, it is all right there. It is not difficult at all.

I believe that as soon as the AC does his thing in the temple, we'll be raptured. Based on 2Thessalonians and a powerful dream vision prophecy that I had about the tribulation

I used to believe in the "whoosh" we're gone philosophy of pre-trib rapture, but after I studied the scriptures and considered FAI teachings I have come to the conclusion that, scripturally speaking, the teachings of Joel are the correct interpretation of the second coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

Would really like an extended version of the opening song! lol

The ceasing of sacrifices happens in the middle, (Dan 9:27) but the abomination of desolation happens 1290 days later (Dan 12:11)

I always read not being destined for wrath to be the lake of fire as well. Never even crossed my mind it would refer to any temporal judgment on this earth. That being said, even IF you want to apply that verse to the temporal wrath of God, Revelation explicitly defines the wrath of God, the 7 bowls of WRATH! Can't get much clearer than that. Now what's interesting is the 7 bowls of wrath are actually the 7th Trumpet, which is the last trumpet mentioned in the Bible. Note Paul says that the dead in Christ will rise first, then we who are alive and remain will be caught up AT THE LAST TRUMPET. So right there it shows we do get raptured right as the Judgment of God comes upon the earth which IS His second coming. So, it fits perfectly with a post-Trib, pre-Wrath rapture doctrine. Also, Rev 20:4-5 spells out that the FIRST resurrection includes those who were beheaded for not worshipping the Beast or accepting the mark. Since Paul spells out that the dead in Christ rise FIRST and THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up, it's impossible for the rapture to take place before the first resurrection which includes the saints martyred in the tribulation and therefore the rapture is POST tribulation. None of this requires reading any hidden meaning in any verse, or extrapolating any meaning, creating multiple returns of Christ or assuming words written to other churches apply to us.

The Israelites did not leave Egypt until after the plagues. The plagues were not meant for them, but they were there for it all. What do pre-trib believers have to say about that? Not much, in my experience. They'll just agree to disagree, with hands tightly clamped over their ears.

Very good message! What are your thoughts about the total duration of all 7 bowls of wrath? I still believe Jesus will return in a jubilee year at the feast of trumpets when the 7th bowl is also poured out.

That flannel is gangster...

39:50 - is this what it meant by not hurting the oil and the wine?

We will all forever suffer the first death which is Physical death.

I've been reading Foxes Book of Martyrs and if there is a pre-trib rapture, then God will have to apologize to every last martyr.

Try Roman's 5: 1-6 if you're not sure your saved.

Thank you for your teachings, do you think the 7th trumpet is blown at the 6th year or the end of the 7th year of the tribulation period? God bless ❤

The resurrected will indeed be impervious to the wrath poured out. But what about their young children? Do you have an answer to that situation?

I appreciate what you guys are doing. That being said does it really matter when he comes back? If you are abiding in the vine then when he comes is simply a fulfillment of our hope in him. The timing is irrelevant.

I am wondering what about past believers that have died in say like the 1900s, who do not have to endure the tribulation. Why must the survivors in tribulation be tested and not them?

Went to press like on this. It wouldn't let me. It said resources have been met? My resource? pressed like on other things to much? Or the resources have been met on the video itself?

How do pre-trib believers conclude that the hour of temptation is equal to all 7 yrs? Where does it say that all 7 yrs is the wrath of God?

44:43 - I like that, that's comprehensive, G-d in literal anthropomorphic terms

We in the post-Tribulation camp often criticize our brothers and sisters in the pre-Tribulation camp for holding to the idea of imminency, but doesn't this error also apply to amillennialists? They believe Jesus Christ can and will return at _any moment._ In the case of pre-Tribbers, they believe the _Rapture_ is imminent; in the case of amillennialists, they believe the _Second Coming_ is imminent. Both ideas are erroneous. As post-Tribbers, we believe that a specific series of prophetically significant events must occur before the Rapture and the Second Coming (we generally consider them to be synonymous or at least temporally simultaneous) take place - a premise that amillennialists reject. We post-Tribbers should spend more time critiquing the amillennialist version of the doctrine of imminency.

Can you please turn up your volume?

I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT EXPLAINING THE FIRST RESURRECTION AT THE TIME OF RAPTURE, IS CONFUSED WITH THE FIRST RESURRECTION AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO STEPS OR STAGES OF THE SAME EVENT OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION: ONE IN THE RAPTURE AND THE SECOND, AT HIS SECOND COMING, AND THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT IT. THIS INCONGRUENCE OF TWO STAGES OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION, IS THE ONE THAT LED ME TO UNDERSTAND RAPTURE HAS TO BE AT THE SECOND COMING AS JOHN 14:1-2 HAS SAID!

If the day of the Lord and the day of our gathering together to him is in fact the same day. Than we would be in our glorified bodies. However if the gathering and the day of the lord are separate days it would not be impossible for Yeshua to cover or hide us from his wrath just as he did in Noah's time or Lot's time or even during the exodus where the Israelites did not experience what the Egyptians did. I have some doubt as to the days being the same day only because I cant see the church of Thessalonica being upset(shaken) because they missed "the day of the Lord" (wrath) Paul said not to be shaken as if they were shaken or disturbed.

Some people believe that when God said I give you eternal life that he really meant it. We know he really meant temporary life unless we earn it through enduring to the end right?

Yup. Wrath doesn't start until the bowls: "Go, pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth" Revelation 16:1.

Hi Joel, great teaching! *Just upfront: I do not believe that the pre-tribulation "rapture" is accurate based on a number of passages. A question though, in Matthew 24:29-31, is Jesus referring to the resurrection unto life (John 5:29, I Thes 4:13-18) or is He referring to the salvation of Israel both from their enemies as well as a heart change at His second coming? I am leaning more towards the idea that Jesus is explaining the rescue and redemption of the Jews from their enemies at His 2nd coming when He comes with all of His armies out of Heaven (Rev 19:11-16). I believe the end of Matthew 23 ( 39For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”) all the way through Matthew 24 and 25 is telling the singular story of Israel's salvation (both the rescue of the remnant from their enemies (the Beast empire (Islamic in nature)) AND their true repentance and changed heart. They will finally give their full allegiance to their God, and Creator...Jesus, who is the/their Messiah. I'm not convinced that our resurrection/catching up is what Jesus is talking about in this section of scripture then, but rather that He is referring to Isaiah 66:15-16,18-20: 15“For behold, the Lord will come in fire, and his chariots like the whirlwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16For by fire will the Lord enter into judgment, and by his sword, with all flesh; and those slain by the Lord shall be man 18“For I know their works and their thoughts, and the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and shall see my glory, 19and I will set a sign among them. And from them I will send survivors to the nations, to Tarshish, Put, and Lud, who draw the bow, to Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands far away, that have not heard my fame or seen my glory. And they shall declare my glory among the nations. 20And they shall bring all your brothers from all the nations as an offering to the Lord, on horses and in chariots and in litters and on mules and on dromedaries, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, says the Lord, just as the Israelites bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the Lord. 21And some of them also I will take for priests and for Levites, says the Lord. Matthew 24:29 starts off with "Day of the Lord" language. The language that comes after in verse 30... the "sign" also mentioned in Isaiah 66:19 is the pillar of smoke/fire that is also mentioned in Isaiah 4:5-6 and Isaiah 11:11-16 (in particular in verse 12). It is the same pillar that led Israel in the past and according to Isaiah 4:5-6 it is once again in the land protecting God's people after He has cleansed them with a new heart when finally they say "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord" (Matthew 23:39) and mourn over whom they have pierced (Zech 12:10). I believe that the survivors mentioned in Isaiah 66:19 are survivors from the last battle (Armageddon) and are from the 10 Islamic nations that form the beast militia. Jesus at His 2nd coming has gone throughout the region in a series of battles with the last battle finally destroying all of the Beast armies except for these few survivors that He sends back as messengers (angels) to their homelands (where they have taken out a portion of Jews) to tell their people "let My people go" (just like Moses was sent to Pharaoh). The nations bring them back to Jerusalem and at that time the nations are judged as sheep or goats (Matthew 25:31-46) based on how they treated the least of His people. Verse 31 states "gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" which leads us to what is recorded in Deut 30:4-8, Zech 2:6-13 and Neh 1:8-9. This language of the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other is a description of God not only sending His people out of the land but also and more importantly bringing His people back into the land that He gave their fathers AND He gives them a new heart so that they will love God. Duet 30:4-8 is referring to the same time period that Jesus is referring to in Matthew 24 and according to Zech 2 He will dwell in their midst...which again will be this same time period. As to our resurrection...Paul states in I Thes 4:13-17 that God will bring with Jesus at His coming those who have fallen ASLEEP (those who have already died in Christ which cannot mean those caught up, since they did NOT fall asleep (died)) down with Him from Heaven. John states in Rev 19:11-16 that Christ will descend from Heaven on a white horse along with His armies dressed in white robes and also on white horses. The "asleep" or dead as seen in Revelation 6 (the martyrs given white robes to wear as I suspect also those John sees in Rev 7 from every tribe, etc) are spirits of the dead yet to be reunited with their bodies. Paul then states that the dead will be resurrected first and those left alive will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air (as His entourage to escort Him as He comes down to the earth...similar to when the people came out to greet Jesus when He came to Jerusalem the 1st time riding on a donkey.) So it is in the air (between Heaven and earth, since we are both from the earth and also of Heaven) that our spirits and our bodies will become one again. It seems then that it is on our way down (riding those white horses) that we are embodied once more and once we hit the earth we go to war (Jude 14-15)...an invincible army that death no longer has a claim. This resurrection then happens on THE LAST DAY according to Jesus (John 6:39-40) and begins The Day of the Lord. (At least that's what I think, but I could be wrong though...) :) ***Here is a breakdown of the language used in Matthew 24:29-31 that is actually used and explained in the following Old Testament scriptures: * Tribulation of those days: The time of Jacob's troubles (Jeremiah 30) * Sun, moon, cosmos: (Joel 2 + 3 + others re: Day of the Lord) * Powers of the Heavens: (Eph 6:12)12For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Col 1:16For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. * Sign of the Son of Man: The pillar of smoke and fire as in the OT.. (see Isaiah 66:19, Isaiah 4;1-6, Isaiah 11:11-16) * All tribes of earth will mourn: (Habakkuk 3:3-7, Rev 6:12-17) * Son of Man on the clouds of heaven: (see Daniel 7:13-14) * Send out His Angels: (Angels=messengers) (see Isaiah 66:19,20) * Loud Trumpet: (Joel 2:1-11) * Gather His elect: (Isaiah 66:19-20, Deut 30:4-8, Zech 2:6-13, Isaiah 11:11-16) * Four winds of heaven: (see Deut 30:4-8, Zech 2:6-13, Neh 1:8-9)

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 (NKJV) 9 For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, 10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, [even] Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

I don’t know about this teaching. It flies in the face of what I have been taught. I will consider it though.

I have a question. I know as the Scriptures say, "all who live Godly in Christ Jesus, will suffer tribulation". But, I live in a very rural area in a "rural" state in the US. And though there are secular people, a large part of my region are followers of Jesus or live based on Christian values. For instance, I've never even known a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc. So I've not suffered persecution from others. And I always get this sinking feeling that I'm not giving glory to the Lord through suffering persecution in His name. Like, since I haven't been "tested" in this way, the Lord God doesn't want me. And I pray the Lord forgive me for this question, and having these feelings. I'm not begging for and seeking persecution. I just wonder if I pass away without having ever been persecuted, will the Lord hold it against me?

Did paul leave somthing out when he said believe on the Lord jesus Christ and thou shall be saved . Is this verse misssing words? Why did Paul leave out enduring to the end?. Is Gods word in error ? Or is it possible that tribulation saints are under a different dispensation.

What about all the children during Satan's wrath?

Jesus coming read Bible Thess chapter 1&2 temple Jerusalem after lawless one rules Amen 🙏💗🤣

Just a question and to make this one small point Joel. Firstly, what translation are you reading from, particularly when you cite Rev 6:15-17? My NKJV in verse 16 as you quoted says, "...from the wrath of the Lamb!" Then verse 17 says "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" Whichever translation you quoted from says "...their wrath has come,..." Now this might seem like some petty discrepancy but it is NOT! That is because there are two separate and distinct components of the wrath. Firstly, the wrath of the Lamb as referenced above, which essentially is comprised of the trumpet judgements, culminating with the 7th (the last) trumpet at which time we see the rewarding of the saints and prophets, their resurrection (the first resurrection/the rapture) as stated in Rev 11:18! But notice that Rev 15:1 states firstly "Then I (John) saw...seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God (the Father) is complete. The presence of the adverb 'Then' beginning this sentence denotes a chronological sequence specifying that the event described occurs sequentially after the events which precede it. Namely the seven trumpet judgements which roughly comprise the wrath of the Lamb. (I don't want to get bogged down in the explaining the detail of how the 7th seal comprises the trumpets and how the 7th trumpet comprised the bowls here; I'm confident that you understand this) Then come the 7 last plagues of the Father comprised of the 7 bowls! Notice verse 2 says "And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass,..." obviously these are they of the first resurrection! Those whom endured until the end! (remember what Jesus said about yhose days being shortened?) But this is not yet the end of temporal events upon the earth! Looking now to verse 5 we read "After these things I looked, ...", here the descriptor 'after' once again denotes a chronological sequence of events with those described occurring later than those preceding them, namely the trumpet judgements of the wrath of the Lamb! Notice the difference? The former being the wrath of the Lamb, the latter the wrath of the Father! It is this final wrath, that of the bowls of the Father's wrath, to which the saints are not appointed. As described in verse 2 they clearly are not upon the earth! Unless you can direct me to that sea of glass mingled with with fire somewhere, that would make some tourist destination! This is logical and sensible and derives simply from a careful reading of the text! The trumpets are the Lamb's wrath, the first resurrection occurs at the 7th trumpet, the saints meet Jesus in the air to then always be with Jesus, I suggest that then simulateously occur the heavenly marriage supper of the Lamb to His bride the saints, whist upon earth the Father's wrath gets poured out. Notice in Rev 19 where is described in verses 6-8 the wedding feast. Now turning to verse 11 & 14-15 we have described the second coming of Christ with the saints returning from heaven to the earth! This happens when the 7th bowl is poured out 16:17! That's what the loud voice from the heavenly temple saying "It is done!" means Joel. Unless of course, that is, if your Bible translation says "...their wrath..." in 6:17 as yours does, in which case all this clarity gets muddied up. (yeah, that's an allusion)

If we are killed during the pouring out of his wrath, do we automatically go to hell.?

How does Joel explain 2 Thessalonians 2:7?

Joel, you have correctly put Matt 24:29-31 together with Rev 6:12-17 The 6th seal. Now, you jump to the sounding of the 7th trumpet. Wait a minute because now is the opening of the 7th seal at which point the 7 trumpets are given to the 7 Angels. The 7th trumpet has not happened has it? No. Because they have only just been given to the 7 Angels. Yet the rapture has just happened. The event of the rapture & translation of our bodies happens at the last trump. Therefore, the last trump and the 7th trump can not be the same. I will repeat that. The last trump and the 7th trumpet can not be the same.

So does Yeshuah open seals 1-6, and comes down at the six seal too? and then He goes back up to open the 7th seal in heaven? And are the 12 tribes sealed at the 6th seal or at the fifth trumpet? And when is satan cast to earth? Before creation, or is that him coming out the pit? Or does he go to prison, then we have to face him again? After some studies I'm here at the 5,6,7th seals And trumpets 1-5 What do y'all think 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Scripture please. Where is the phrase eternal wrath?

Read REV. 22. vs 18-19.

Someone somewhere said a red letter Bible will make it clear what Jesus said, which doesn’t support pretrib. Cool🙏🏼❤️!