you don't have to wait a decade, the ps6 and next xbox, which will be released in 5 to 7 years will have similar or even better performance than the rtx 4090

🤣 I'm with you

I just got a used 3090. This is basically an announcement for what you will be able to buy in 2 years for a high price and 4 years for a reasonable price.

@@MGTOW89 ya right

And that’s about when you’ll need one to actually play a game.

The 50 series specs was just leaked, and the 5070 is 15%ish percent better than your 4090 lol

@@ReKonstructor No it wasn't. Why did you just lie so comfortably like that? You are ridiculous.

​@@ReKonstructor They won't even release the 5070 til Q2 2025💀 "5070 gOt LeAkEd". Bro fell for a yt clickbait vid

well it is way more powerful, also im pretty happy with my 3070 as well its sucks that they hard lock newer software features, dlss 3 would have increased the life of 3000 series cards by a huge margin

I just got a 3080 .. upgraded from a 1080ti. I just don't ever set a time that I need anything this beastly!!!

@@jcaashby3 here I am hoping this causes a massive drop in 3080 and 3090 pricing

My ass still running a 1050Ti 😢

Rich people exist and here we are.

they are the best analysis channel, hands down

The atmosphere is why I always start with DF. Next up: GN

I agree. The same goes for channels like Hardware Unboxed, which have really amazing charts, and set themselves apart from places like Gamer's Nexus and Digital Foundry. Their unique perspectives and insight into average performance for games is very calming for how objectively they tend to look at things. It's really chill. (...Heh.)

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@@itsd0nk memory

@@itsd0nk Yeah, he misspoken at 3:08 reading the script. Should've been "almost a terabyte" of bandwidth. Instead, he read the script as "a gigabyte of bandwidth" which there is 1018 of them. I am surprised he didn't caught that as being off when reading the script.

Radeon VII had that years ago :P:P

@@adi6293 Which was tbh a test batch of a GPU. AMD is in a bit of trouble with this kind of bumps in performance...

1.5k is cheap, in EU the FE costs €2K and the aftermarket starts from €2.4k

So if you have a native g-sync processor/monitor, the DLSS 3.0 would cause issues? I ask cause I have the Alienware aw2521H 360hz monitor that has the g-sync module, and I play fps/competitive games so the decrease in latency is worrisome. I wonder, is there a way to run DLSS 2.0 on the new cards? Sounds like the last gen cards are better for my scenario…

@@EndoV2 DLSS 2.0 is also possible to use on the 4000 series

yea, i dont see any reason to buy one now, specially not for this price, but maybe in 2-3 years for 300 or whatever will be out there..... it`s not worth is at all. there is no game i want to play that needs more power than my 3080 can deliver, and i dont think this changes in the next few years, i dont need to play on ultra, for this money i almost can buy a noe motocycle that lasts longer than 2 years :D

@@DubElementMusic I mean aren't the 90 series beyond gaming? The productivity on this card is absolutely phenomenal according to the Linus video. Buying it to only play games is not worth imo.

@@DubElementMusic 300? LOL.

@@MavihsLH none of the cards with their pricing right now is for consumers

@@braxalt2228 the reason this exists is probably because people were using productivity focused cards for gaming and NVIDIA just took advantage of that.

me as egyptian watching this while still using gtx 1060 for gamng and using half broken rift cv1 to play vr games

Yep, hopefully the RTX 6060 can pull this off in late 2026 at a reasonable price. Just in time for the PS6 announcement =/

@yello regardless of that, the pro version will still come out in 2024(equivalent close to 3090 perhaps) for 3 years run before ps6 (2027) imo they need to catch up on games requirement too especially this incoming UE5

@@adzamree6870 im expecting the pro to be closer to the 4080 especially if they price it at 600$

@@johannessguten2527 thats going to be overpowered lol considering its optimized

In the here and now

A lot of reviewers who used new ryzen and old 5800 3d seen massive cpu bottlenecks, even at 4K in some game. I’m waiting to see how new 13900k 24 core handles the 4090 before I buy a cpu.

@@4gbmeans4gb61 lol, Intel's own first party benchmarks show the 5800X3D beating the 13900K in *_multiple_* titles.

@@mitlanderson will there be a 7950x 3D? I’m looking to build my first pc?

@@johannessguten2527 yes, q1 2023

@@mitlanderson that great to hear I guess I’ll wait then maybe these gpus will also have minor price drops by then as well

honestly a surprising disappointment for me

@@aaz1992 Im curious as to how this is disappointing to you? Lower msrp than the 3090 was and much faster? what more could you want?

Another SHOCKER, officially the $1600 Geforce GPU is not supporting PCIe Gen 5.

@@randomguydoes2901 easily do 144fps/hz on alot of games and capped at DP 1.4 120hz LEL

@Alarge Corgi2 from 2 outlets already I've seen complain about it I believe you have to reduce quality in some way in the form of sub sampling to get 144, I'll have to go to their videos and see if they made corrections or not or if its true.

Yeah, in 5 years these things used will likely be in the $500 range, certainly under $700 which will be amazing - it's fantastic to see such a huge leap in performance for basically no increase in cost - that said the cost of the 3090 was pretty insane already but at least we didn't get a huge jump there (and when you factor in inflation it's actually a bit _cheaper_ than 3090 was). Either way it's an incredible bit of kit - and we haven't even seen the 3rd party cards which will be even faster.

In 5 years you will be begging Nvidia to get their xx60 for 1600usd.

Fake „generated“ FPS with scaling is no „Performance“. Lets hope AMD will bring a card that will get 120FPS in real native 4K.

@@wiLdchiLd2k No? You are just hater. The numbers are clear,what more do you need? Especialy if it looks better than Native 4K.

@@wiLdchiLd2k They won’t. Can crush those hopes right now.

You can build a PC and a PS5 for the cost of this GPU lol.

As always with PC, it's up to you and your wallet. I have a modest PC (GTX 1070ti and Ryzen 2700X) but i just can't keep up with the evolution and the price of the new technology. I've bought a Series X and a Switch instead so i have everything i need to enjoy games in descent condition, and my PC is still around if i need to play something that isn't on Consoles. It's a very efficient way to enjoy everything without having to sell a kidney.

@@MadX8 It not just about price also. Sure I think a good majority of people can afford these cards. They just make no sense value wise. I have a demanding job and family. I have a good PC, 2080 Ti and Ryzen 3600. I haven't gamed in it in 2 weeks because I've just had no time. When I am relaxing, Im just on my steam deck. A $1600 GPU makes no sense for people who have any sort of life outside of video gaming. For productivity and gaming, I could see someone making a case for it.

And I'd take a 4k 240hz capable gpu with DLSS 3 over some console with reduced graphics, meh 1 effect RT and low fps and poor joypad control schemes.

@@KoeiNL No, it doesn't. It's almost 3x as efficient as 3090ti.

@@KoeiNL are you high? It used less power then the 3090ti lol

This aged well

​@romankozlovskiy7899 it did? 4090 is a 4k monster still

Great comment. It definitely creates a tough decision, it’s just so costly. I currently looking at videos detailing this card in terms of production.

Then you cant afford the gpu if you csnt pay a minimal bill increase

@@najeebshah.a price increase on top of already ballooning prices

@@najeebshah. okay Bezos. Oh, fyi there is this little thing called "war" right now in Europe... so you know... slight, tiny increase of prices. It's not like you'd care being rich and all.

@@najeebshah. I don’t think any of us can afford the impact on the environment

It's a premium card for the higher income individuals after all.

It's kind of weird seeing mainstream game bloggers and influencers trashing things like the Steam Deck and other handhelds for their battery life, that they should be smaller, more powerful, (and make waffle fries too) while there seems to be no end in sight to how large and power hungry things will be on this other side of the market. I mainly find it nonsensical that they don't use even options given to them and don't consider the balance act manufacturers go though providing these devices at reasonable costs, but it's also like they don't pay any attention to just how crazy power consumption, size, etc has become or how impressive it is to be running the latest games on complete systems that max out at like 40 watts.

"performance with say 150W TGP" Unlikely to happen. Rate of transistor shrinking is slowing down. Will need advancements in material science to boost clocks with same current draw, or massive die sizes.

@@JimBob1937 I wouldn’t say it’s unlikely it’s just a matter of time

@@CH-bn7qb , we're hitting physical limitations of silicon. Intel's latest 1.8nm announcement has transistor feature size at 9 silicon atoms.

@@JimBob1937 technology will always move forward wether it be Intel or a third party having extreme high efficiency chips is just a matter of time physical limitations are only that until a new tech comes forward and breaks that limit.

100% Exactly what I was thinking.

Well said 👏

In a way, raytracing does lessen the load on devs though. Less requirement for carefully placing probes and baking lighting information into a scene. Then going through the process again if there is any change in the scene, or if there are other dynamic elements like time of day / weather.

Could not disagree more. So many of the problems in gaming tech have to do with devs using paradigms that are OUT OF DATE. Many highend technologies actually REDUCE the burden on devs in the long run despite an initial investment (like PBR or ray tracing)!

10 percent jump in CPU performance these days would be revolutionary

@@mirroredvoid8394 Uh, well given 12900k was a roughly a 12% uplift over 11900k, and 7950x was a 15% uplift over 5950x 10% would be disappointing actually. Rumors are that 13900k will be a larger jump over 12900k that that over 11900k so maybe check those numbers and educate yourself there chief.

@@ross-carlson butt man

Are you joking? Current CPUs can carry it just fine, hell, old gen CPUs can. Next gen will be a walk in the park. CPUs have gotten insanely strong, don't underestimate them lmao

@@crylune no way i have r9 5900x and i barely get 60fps on spiderman with rt and eith only 70%gpu usage

there'sno technology, they just slapped more wattage to it

@@snowpuddle9622 ok

@@snowpuddle9622 They indeed added new dedicated hardware to enable DLSS3 reconstruction, that's way input lag was increased as rendering pipeline has now more steps.

@@snowpuddle9622 it has better perf/watt so even if you capped the 4090 at a lower TDP, it'll still shit on equivalent AMD or NVIDIA GPUs.

@@lyserberg keep being delusional

Good you had the patience, I didn't and went for the 30 series. Kinda wish I waited.

sadly for 3x the price

Im upgrading my 980ti lol

1080 here. New Year build once all the hardware is in the wild

My GTX 1080 has served me very well for last the 6 years, but it's finally time to upgrade my whole build!

Dripping with supersampling

Maybe wait for VR headsets with eye tracking (and therefore supporting foveated rendering) to come out so you don't need to spend a month's rent on a GPU.

If you wait like a year you might even get that same performance for maybe half the price and maybe power draw. Maybe the RTX 5070/5080... Or an equivalent AMD card, if you prefer to have efficiency and still want to have a smaller looking card.

​@@liamness Hoping the PSVR2 releases at an affordable price, sees wide adoption, and begins to make foveated rendering standard in high-end VR titles. Really a lot is banking on Sony's success in that area in my opinion.

@@ericd.9038 Quest Pro just announced and has eye tracking too, definitely not affordable though!

We’re in the same boat, I’m also in my early 40’s and been a console gamer most of life. I recently built my first computer using the 5800x3d and a 7900xtx, 64 gb ram, and a total of 8 tb of ssd/nvme storage. Just returned the xtx and 5800x3d to Amazon and my 4090/7950x3d will be here today. I have a triple monitor setup (two 4K 28inch Samsung monitors vertically stacked and a 34 inch Samsung ultrawide 100hz). I’m so excited to get my 4090 today and max out raytracing on cyberpunk. You only live once.

Btw, how do you like your new computer?

@@Natureboy8383 Be sure to hop back on and let me know how you're liking your new rig once it's set up! :D

@@TheDeconstructivist it’s now being delivered tomorrow by 9pm. Damn you UPS!lol

@@Natureboy8383 Oh, how I know that pain. lol.

Idk bro. I save like 5k after expenses but I cant even stomach this cost.

Whoa! That's a good point.

Stutter is definitely the plague of PC gaming. It would be great if dlss was able to mitigate the issue.

Nvidia Engineers screaming at their interns to write that shit down as we speak

It looks like it does if we go by the frametime graphs of the benchmarks. DLSS 3 is almost butter smooth

It probably worsens the experience as it increases latency. It would look way smoother, but IMO the latency is by far the main problem when playing at low framerates. Though, it may turn out to be a valuable feature specially for lower tier future RX 40##

If it can do that*

@@ziokalco It would certainly be bad for games like Dark Souls 1, but for slow games it should be just fine of it can be forced from the drivers. When latency is important, the best case scenario would be to turn 120fps into 240fps to take advantage of your Shiny new monitor.

for 30fps locked games there are generally mods and methods to bypass those, either a mod or a launch parameter

Wouldn't the games also need to internally support DLSS3? I think older console ports that run 30fps are highly unlikely to get DLSS3

It's the absolute top of the line GPU, of course it's not priced for average people. That's like complaining that a Bugatti isn't priced for the average driver.

‘Too expensive’. Seriously what else did people expect at this level of performance??

@@Totenglocke42 yeah, but games shouldn't be targeted just for richest people. and people wont buy game that needs high end hardware to run. It would be financial suicide for devs.

@@avatarxs9377 State of the art will always price out normal people. You can run games perfectly fine on lower end cards but if you want the best of the best you gotta pay for it. It will always be this way.

It didn't quite stagnate yet, but for me, it still looks like a game of being between a rock and a hard place: -they'll run out of die shrinks eventually, and in fact, effective die size for lower end GPUs has been increasing even taking into account node shrinks: GTX 1060 (200mm^2, TSMC 16nm); RTX 2060 (445mm^2, TSMC 14nm); RTX 3060 (276mm^2, Samsung 8nm, which is a die size reduction compared to the RTX 2060, but still an increase compared to the 1060 despite going from TSMC's 16nm to Samsung's 8nm); RTX 4060... -Bigger dies mean more power hungry chips, and Nvidia have been able to stick with 250w max for top GPUs pretty much until the RTX 2000 series, but that was no longer the case with the RTX 3000 series and onwards, with all the implications associated (ATX3.0 and PCIe 5.0 connectors to handle the power increase) -Silicon wafer sizes and dies sizes have physical limits from a production pov (silicon wafers are currently 300mm in diameter, and reticle limit allows for die sizes of ~800mm^2 max), as well as economical limits from a production pov (how much will a RTX 6060 with a +500mm^2 die size cost?) -There's only so much performance gains a new GPU architecture can do at any given node shrink The good news is that what's already out there should be enough for quite a few years, but something will have to radically change eventually...

And a more compact form factor

Energy consumption is not that bad here, its unlikely to get much better in the future. Physics.

I also invested in a EVGA 3080Ti equipped machine..it’s a beast!

The leaks suggest slightly better raster and slightly worse RT performance with lower TDP from RDNA 3.

@@Batman-bh6vw slightly worse RT performance? Top RDNA 3 sku targeting 4080 12gb - 4018 16gb RT performance, and 4018 16gb at best case scenario.

No we won't just turn that shit off problem solved

@@kickassguy211 no

"Thankfully a lot of games aren't path traced yet" Do you really think they are gonna start making a lot of games even the most powerful hardware can't handle?

Not true, as Portal doesn't use ray tracing, it uses path tracing which is many times more intensive on performance than RT.

Wouldn't be surprised if NVidia at some point uses the DLSS3 software feature to cut down on chip size so the real performance gains only go to the bigger chips for raw performance, which NVidia then most likely, only will use on enterprise level cards... and then the biggest chips you will get in Nvidia consumer graphics cards will be max. 300-350mm²

I would say they are absolutley diabolicle and ludicrous .

Even displays. This can be a 8k card!

@@zacthegamer6145 ...and there's no point in playing anything in 8k.

@@esaedvik except vr games

@@mirukuteea Probably not, but that remains to be seen. Haven't really seen many AAA VR games yet.

People just need to hop on to 4K 240Hz displays which already cost less than this card. CPU bottleneck auto-resolved.

I was just looking to see if someone else acknowledged it!

@@rockapartie i have never seen it before

They won't look much different. While crossgen is still going on. They are not pushing consoles, let alone pc.

@@friedpuddycatgamer4682 Patience. The tech needs to be there before it happens. Again, as I said... moving forward...

nothings gonna happen as long as cross gen is still going on

Tbh this Portal test is the reason why the 4000 series is a complete joke. The video card itself cannot push a 1080p image with RT at more than 20 FPS. The thing that gets it to that 120 Nvidia wants to advertise is just software techniques in DLSS 3, fucking frame generation. A graphics card that is more expensive by itself than a decent PC, that cannot run fucking Portal 2 with some shitty ray tracing at more than 20 fps. What a joke.

@@elsienova4269 Wow your ignorance is showing yet you still make a comment. It's NOT RAY tracing. It's PATH tracing. The difference is INSANELY complex and demanding. Might want to educate yourself before spewing BS you have no clue about. The whole game is literally generated by light bounces. Ray tracing as you know it is nothing but Raster + few light bounces to present a Hybrid ray tracing output.

Hello fellow VR sim master race. vr in racing games is an absolute game changer.

@@TheScyy thank you man, what title did you test it with?

Unless I’m misremembering, it’s adding a few ms to the input lag you’d get from DLSS 2.0, not from the base frame rate. This ends up still being more responsive than native resolution, but slightly less responsive than DLSS 2.0.

@@DevNug But it's significantly less responsive than the framerate it's targeting if it were to run at that framerate natively. If a game has 80ms of lag at 30 FPS and 50ms lag at 60fps. Then using DLSS3 will make it "run" at 60FPS but the input lag will not be anywhere near 50ms, instead it'll be closer to 80ms.

yes and yes, as DF said, good framerate health before the DLSS 3 effect is crucial.

Why anyone would even think of dlss 3.0 with a 4090 is beyond me. Just select a native resolution and you can still hit as much as 360fps conveniently with zero drops.

good question. I'm sure Alex will get to the bottom of that

Rtx 5000 will be out by then 🤷🏼.

"Make gaming great again."

Surprisingly we have yet to see any Unreal Engine 5 games to release and they alreadly planning on an UE 5.1 soon. While we have some games that were announced to be made using it, including Hellblade 2, we haven't seen any release date to any of them yet. Guess development still take a long time even with all these conveniences to reduce said time.

Since 980 Ti to 1080 Ti basically. Or if you're AMD, from Radeon 7 / 5700 XT to 6900 XT / 6950 XT.

that power consumption tho...

AMD will beat it with less power and I don’t need fake frames.

@@youtubeaccount7544 Keep dreaming lmao

yep gonna try to get one tomorrow morning and sell my 3090 for $900

But nvidia baaad...

@@wizzenberry tv based interpolation is pretty bad. There’s just no comparison between what’s happening here and what TVs do with their interpolation.

@@gavinderulo12 lol why is that? Certainly their pricing is high this time. I don’t plan on buying a 4000 series card until maybe the 4060 or 4070 honestly.

@@wizzenberryTV frame interpolation has huge input lag. It just doesn't matter since its not used for interactive media. The fact that nvidia is able to achieve this in real time, with better results, is more than impressive.

Nice dude

2080 ti is a beast

Reply only to be clear: 6-Tier meaning 7*6*00XT or 40*6*0 to 40*6*0 Ti etc.. Around there.

I saw comments like this in the past decade.. New Plague Tale game requires RTX3070 for 1080p 60fps, and games are going to get more demanding..

you might but before you know it 4k will be obsolete and they will be focusing on 8k or some newer form of tec

Just look at the "requirements" for A Plague Tale 2. A 3070 for 1080/60. Wooow.

Or a much more realistic scenario, no new game will use the extra power of those cards, because are just entusiast things, who are pretty rrarre to find, and cost too much to buy, so there is no market for developers.

Dont worry consoles are still the common denominator. Games still need to run at atleast 30 fps on 2070 equivalent console hardware.

People that will own 4080s and 4090s are in the minority. In general they will optimize for the cards that most people can buy I would imagine because that's where the most money comes from

Input latency is a real thing and even this video mentioned wanted to test it in a fast paced FPS (for example). That latency may well be too much in some scenarios.

Yeah, but if you're playing a fast paced FPS, you likely won't be cranking up settings to the maximum, and you can just disable DLSS3. If you're playing a very demanding 1 player game though a small latency increase doesn't matter.

Wow 30 frames amazing!

How does that make you feel?

@@Stardomplay it makes me feel all antsy in my pantsy

@@youtubeaccount7544 30+ frames is a big deal going from 30 to 70

u mean topaz well they still not using the monster 3080 which i got good it needs more updates once that happens yea it will run real good i know cause i did a 30 min cartoon with waifu and it took 10 min whereas topaz with the same one takes 1hr-hr and 30 min

@@cmoneytheman no Open AI, Stable Diffusion, Midjourney, Dall-E and others like that

@@amj2048 oh well should be great these cards are monsters even the one i got 3080

@@cmoneytheman topaz is much more suited for irl picture, CG etc for cartoons and anime stuff i found ESRGAN with a custom model to be the best but thats for images, the video upscalers use a a whole different methods and algorithms, i.e the results aren't as perfect thats y they are much more lightweight

@@ShahZahid i wasnt comparing i just was saying the speed difference is way better with waifu i expect topaz to run that way once it gets more updates i have always thought that was gonna be the case with these monsters 30 series cards

Yeah right, your entire rig uses less than 400 watts? Is your rig a laptop?

Nvidia doesn't give a shit

I can afford them

dont buy it simple, its like iphones, they are expensive af but people still buy them,

@Sorey there are a lot of good options it terms of any other type of hardware except the GPUs… that’s true… maybe the route from now on is used GPUs when the newer gen comes out…

This card is for paypigs and professionals, everyone else can wait for the cheaper ones. The silicon shortage isn't over, everyone in the business wants to get every dollar they can for the chips they can actually get from TSMC. Same reason AMD won't be rescuing us from high prices: they have a certain amount of silicon to sell and it's going to be made into high-end CPUs first. It's shitty for us but it's good business.

Makes no sense to me we already have 4k 144hz screens and the 4090 is only cpu bound at 1080 and sometimes at 1440p but the obvious resolution this card is aiming for is 4k so cpu performance doesn't matter mostly...

@@i3l4ckskillzz79 I both agree and disagree. Only DP 1.4 has the bandwidth for 4k144, and HDMI 2.1 can only go up to 4k120, these are the two ports 4090 supports. Secondly, we can see that with DLSS3, 4090 can very much provide ~4k200 experience in Spider-Man, a heavy AAA title from 2022, all those extra frames are beyond the display output spec. With optimised settings and engines designed for next gen, who's to say that can't become a norm with DLSS3.

@@DivjotSingh you are just guessing

@@astrolillo yes of course

Do you play much?

And those KZfaqrs and streamers will play ONLY online shooters and nothing else and be like "400 fps is too low"

Facts

@@ldmun fr they be wasting they money

This gpu cost a whole college tuition. I’ll gladly pass

and most likely those KZfaqrs/Twitchers won't even buy one, Nvidia will give them one for free.

dlss 3.0 graphically is the same as 2. just with frame generation. so if you look at any video comparing dlss 2.0 it will be the same

@@lordadz1615 You can run DLSS 3 without any upsampling.

@@Safetytrousers oh i didnt know that lol. i guess if thats the case it would look the same as any other setting ur using

The interpolator does require access to motion vectors and depth information though, would be difficult to hack into older games

it could work not as well when doing 30fps to 60 interpolation

Buy a samsung tv...

this is exactly why I want one. I hve a 2080ti and was just going to get a 3090ti as prices are gettign better but now I am goign to wait 6mo-1 year and then upgrade to a 40 series and the reason... DLSS3.0

@@fuzzy3932 if u can wait for a year ,then u should wait for another year for 5090 to get 8k high refresh rate gaming experience.

And AV1 encoding and decoding…

@@kenkusagami yeah and build a power plant while waiting

@@kenkusagami I’m not sure you will see this much performance gain again in a long time. This was on TSMC 4nm process it’s not going to get much better than this . It’s a absolute astonishing feat of Human engineering.

Are you dumb? New gen can run games just as good as mid range pc… so stfu not everyone can afford to spend all their $$ on games 🤦‍♂️ 🤡

Very true. The 1650 class of card is still by far the most used card on steam hardware survey. Few developers are going to put themselves in a position where 95% of gamers can't run their game. Nvidia's pricing is so far outside the realm of reality as to be a joke so nobody is upgrading to this shit.

graphics settings exist for a reason, compare rdr2 max graphics compared to consoles

I believe it was above 100 FPS in all games except Cyberpunk in the standard Rasterization towards the end. You must mean with Ultra Ray Tracing turned on? I guess you'd be right about that, but it is still better than it was before and will continue to get better over time. RT has only been introduced to gaming in the last few years and it is very demanding by itself. Coupling it with 4k is insane at the moment. It'll get there just give it time!

@@servantes3291 Yeah I was referring to Ultra RT on. Quite insane to consider how demanding that feature is. Personally for the asking price for one of these I was expecting the card to hit that performance level, though I guess this signals that they see reconstruction techniques as the future, and it's hard to argue with that. Still a substantial robust improvement over last gen as you mentioned.

No, it's gonna sell quite to wealthy

Most PC gamers are enthusiasts. Most of them are in their 30s with stable jobs, on top a lot of media creators, cutters etc... This will sell even better than the 3xxx series because they have no competition

This thing will be gone in like three seconds and become impossible to find for the next year , again

@@m.h.4907 "Most"? I don´t think so. Proof?

@@leruty 4090 FE sold out in less than a minute. Guess that should be proof enough. It is the fastest selling GPU of all time.

AMD garbage won’t be this good

@@Dr.Freeze not with that attitude

If AMD comes 10-15% bellow 4090 with less power consumption for ...lets say 1000$ I'll bite

Agreed. I have a 3080 and I'm not planning to upgrade but I would like to see AMD's chiplet design significantly lower prices. Nvidia just wants consumers to fund their AI ventures at this point.

@@Fallen608 That's simply ridiculous, their "AI venture" finance itself pretty well and offers way higher margins for them, now people have even to come up with stupid argument to complain...

If you reduce the power by 33% to 300w it only reduces performance by 5%