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ObGyn Doctor Reacts: Downton Abbey | Lady Sybil's Birth...and Death!?

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Mama Doctor Jones

Mama Doctor Jones

5 жыл бұрын

ObGyn Doctor reacts to British drama Downton Abbey. This episode, where doctors disagree on pregnancy management and Lady Sybil gives birth then suffers a major complication, was SO highly requested (Season 3, Episode 4 - I said Episode 5 in the video...but I was wrong!).
So, this is for you my friends - I truly hope you enjoy...because this was SO FREAKING PAINFUL & SAD TO WATCH!! I had never seen an episode of Downton Abbey before watching this and it truly ruined my day. In all seriousness, the show was very good and the topics and information and portrayal were very accurate.
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If you love Downton Abbey on ITV or PBS - this one is for you. We're reacting to Season 2, Episode 8 of this amazing show.
I know, I know - everyone is doing reaction series right now. But today we're putting an Obstetrician/Gynecologist (ObGyn) spin on it with another relevant medical drama reaction video learning about women's health topics!
If you guys like this ObGyn doctor reacts video leave a comment with another movie or tv show that has some relevance to women's health and I'll do another reaction video sometime. :)
In this medically-relevant TV drama reaction video we're learning all about pre-eclampsia and eclampsia.
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@luminousmoon86
@luminousmoon86 5 жыл бұрын
Man I remember this. What made it even sadder, is that Sybil, the young woman who died, was easily the most angelic character on the show. She was so sweet and caring. An absolute light. Her death on the show was devastating.
@historymysteries4134
@historymysteries4134 5 жыл бұрын
Mama Doctor Jones Sybil was also trained as a nurse so a) if she was not confused, she would have been self-advocating and taking Clarkson’s side b) that why Clarkson knew her so well. As well as her family doctor, she worked under him.
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 5 жыл бұрын
Just proof that Death doesn't discriminate. It's like the Faceless Man said in GoT "Does death only come for the wicked?" and that really struck an accord with me. Very chilling words and true.
@katherineweaver2417
@katherineweaver2417 5 жыл бұрын
Matthew’s death was also so hard. 😢😢
@h.stryker5519
@h.stryker5519 5 жыл бұрын
And it was even more heartbreaking because--in my opinion anyway--she had the most painful death too. Matthew's was heartbreaking and sad--I still cry for it whenever I rewatch the series--but at least he was killed fairly quickly. Sybil suffered in a horrible way, and it's so hard to watch.
@katy3901
@katy3901 5 жыл бұрын
​@@katherineweaver2417 I remember that playing live on Christmas Day, when my whole family was over. At the point where Matthew died I heard my aunt SCREAM from downstairs. They were all so mad, because, particularly after this episode, they had been certain that the Christmas special was going to be happy.
@tfh5575
@tfh5575 5 жыл бұрын
I am a 28 year old big bearded man and Lady Sybil's death is the only scene in tv or movies that makes me tear up every time I watch it lol
@loristrout4741
@loristrout4741 5 жыл бұрын
Watch Beaches that movie gets me every time. I can't even sing Wind Beneath My Wings
@cherylann9781
@cherylann9781 5 жыл бұрын
The Yearling? Old Yeller? If these don't make you cry EVERY SINGLE TEAM, you're not human. LOL!
@Elena-tq9vs
@Elena-tq9vs 5 жыл бұрын
House - when Wilson has to wake up someone (trying not to be spoilery) so he can say goodbye, and has to tell them they are dying and they both cry and just hold each other until he switches off the life support. I could not stop crying for hours.
@DagnyKight
@DagnyKight 5 жыл бұрын
I'd expect grown men to cry at "Brian's Song." Have you seen it? The original; not the remake.
@trevorlambert4226
@trevorlambert4226 5 жыл бұрын
@@cherylann9781 Very few 28 year olds have heard of those movies, let alone seen them even once.
@lblincoe2094
@lblincoe2094 4 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who actually said "protein" out loud like a kid in a kindergarten class when she said "what is he looking for in her urine, guys?" 😂
@MandieTerrier
@MandieTerrier 4 жыл бұрын
Same!
@jane-cn6nd
@jane-cn6nd 4 жыл бұрын
🙋‍♀️
@MarlieMewy
@MarlieMewy 4 жыл бұрын
I did 🙋🏻‍♀️
@Lucia-yc9zj
@Lucia-yc9zj 4 жыл бұрын
🙋🏼‍♀️
@md61211
@md61211 4 жыл бұрын
So funny, so did i ... LOL!!
@delilahhart4398
@delilahhart4398 5 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Queen Elizabeth II, who was born in 1926, was delivered via C-section. As we all know, she is still alive and well at 93. Her mother also lived to be over 100.
@athenaemmanouilidis1291
@athenaemmanouilidis1291 4 жыл бұрын
Delilah Hart Yeap, it helps when you don't have to worry about money or actually have a real job
@Orinatl
@Orinatl 4 жыл бұрын
athena emmanouilidis like...Sybil in the show?
@jesskhan09
@jesskhan09 4 жыл бұрын
Hannah Dyson - she comes from a rich family. They problem is the old doctor disclaimed the new doctor. They did not act fast.
@jesskhan09
@jesskhan09 4 жыл бұрын
Hannah Dyson - that is a possibility but she had a high chance of survival had they took action when the issue was first discussed. The hospital would of been at least better prepared.
@tacosmexicanstyle7846
@tacosmexicanstyle7846 4 жыл бұрын
Hannah Dyson Idk if you know this but the Granthams have greater private wealth than the royal family. Elizabeth II controls about £400m privately, the Granthams have £1.1bn. Many high ranking aristocratic households, mostly Earls to Dukes, are richer than the royal family today so they could absolutely afford to have whatever medical attention required. The biggest difference is that traditionally babies are born in the home. Buckingham Palace is in the centre of West London, close to all the top medical practitioners, whereas Downton is in Yorkshire. There were also rumblings at the time that Edward VIII would never end up married and would remain childless so people thought Elizabeth may eventually ascend so she may have been given even greater care during her birth.
@janetroberts4359
@janetroberts4359 5 жыл бұрын
One of the points of the episode was the idiotic social stratification in 1920’s England. The “jerk” doctor was of the aristocracy-“Sir Phillip”; the other physician was not and thus his opinion was discounted.
@emilypaulsen3819
@emilypaulsen3819 5 жыл бұрын
Her first analysis of them not trusting clarkson was so very "oh yeah def get a second opinion" And I'm sitting here like "Just wait..." 🤦🏽‍♀️
@ingriddubbel8468
@ingriddubbel8468 5 жыл бұрын
He wasn't of the nobility, he was well heeled but his title was bestowed not inherited.
@rebekahdorr8708
@rebekahdorr8708 5 жыл бұрын
Hate to tell ya but nothing has changed, minus the idea of aristocracy.
@theberrby6836
@theberrby6836 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah. ...
@snowangelnc
@snowangelnc 5 жыл бұрын
@@emilypaulsen3819 Same for the second analysis of Sir Phillip saying not to make he anxious. I'm thinking Nah, he's not concerned about upsetting her. That's just code for "I'm going to ignore anything concerning that you bring up because I socially outrank you so nyah."
@bodyofhope
@bodyofhope 5 жыл бұрын
My best friend Tiffany died at 23 from preeclampsia because of a doctor like that one who dismissed her symptoms, and his nurses failed to actually see the POSITIVE protein in her last 2 urine tests. Two weeks before her due date she woke up screaming with an excruciating headache, and she died horribly of a brain aneurysm. Her baby died also. They were buried together. The funeral was the most heartbreaking thing ever.
@reneesoli5345
@reneesoli5345 5 жыл бұрын
I'm so Sorry for your loss. The story is tragic.
@scottw9318
@scottw9318 5 жыл бұрын
Mary, this episode must have been horrendous for you to watch. For me, it reminded me of a time ten years ago when I was diagnosed with a sudden rare case of fungal meningitis. The headache was unlike anything I'd ever experienced. I collapsed just short of seizing...I remember not caring if I lived or died, I just needed that headache to go away.
@carag2567
@carag2567 5 жыл бұрын
Mary M, I am so incredibly sorry for the loss of your friend Tiffany and her baby. I read your comment several times because it just didn't seem real. But as MDJ said several times in this video, pre-eclampsia fatality is very rare now but it can still happen. I'm so very sorry you lost your friend this way. ❤
@frozenmangoes
@frozenmangoes 5 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry for your loss. :(
@MsPilgrim123
@MsPilgrim123 4 жыл бұрын
That's heartbreaking I'm so sorry.
@amyw6808
@amyw6808 2 жыл бұрын
How the actor who plays Tom pleads for her not to leave him is beautiful acting - gets me every time.
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster 2 жыл бұрын
That along with the convincing seizure really get's to me every time. I sometimes read about movie crews upon knowing where a cut could be made during these types of scenes making sure an actor or actress is still OK, because even though I only worked with actors who upon "having to switch on" had to suffer a (scarily realistic) contagious laughter, I can seriously see how at times it can be hard to distinguish reality from acting... I honestly don't know if there's a difference between epileptic seizures but the one time I saw someone getting one (reasonably quick after I had one) it startled me pretty bad and I had the same feeling with this scene. It doesn't happen often that a TV show gives me the shivers, but I can't watch this episode very well.
@RaymondHng
@RaymondHng 2 жыл бұрын
Irish actor Allen Leech plays Tom Branson. Leech and his wife announced in September 2019 that they were expecting their first child.
@carag2567
@carag2567 Жыл бұрын
Each time I rewatch this series, I'm always stunned by this scene and Allen Leech's acting. He is absolutely heartbreaking here, desperately pleading with Sybil to not leave him. It devastates me every time.
@kayisfish
@kayisfish 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my sweet summer child lol "I've never watched this show." Starts with Sybil's death. That's the hardest episode!
@GEORG1AL
@GEORG1AL 4 жыл бұрын
Until you know who🥺😭
@fairygirl626
@fairygirl626 4 жыл бұрын
@@GEORG1AL personally I think Sybil's the hardest bar none. The other was terrible and unexpected and I felt like throwing my computer at the wall when the next episode aired but this one was worse. Brilliantly acted, which I think is what makes it so powerful.
@GEORG1AL
@GEORG1AL 4 жыл бұрын
Kya Sherret the one I’m talking about was so unexpected but predictable at the same time. But I definitely agree with you! Her death was so unnecessary and I still always wish they would’ve done something to help her.
@GEORG1AL
@GEORG1AL 4 жыл бұрын
Kya Sherret but powerful! The amount of emotion shown by her family in that moment made me cry when I watched it both times.
@kayisfish
@kayisfish 4 жыл бұрын
@@GEORG1AL I weep every time too
@mishcelle
@mishcelle 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone is talking about the show but I just want to say how much I appreciated your emphasis on humility in your field, it's one of the most important characteristics a person can have, especially in a healthcare or any kind of scientific setting.
@gray_mara
@gray_mara 5 жыл бұрын
As a nurse I want "The ability to say, "I don't know" is the sign of a good doctor or nurse" on a coffee cup. Very true.
@petemd3
@petemd3 5 жыл бұрын
C M C...thankyou for that response. We cannot and should not know the answer to everything. The system treats the new residents very harshly and practicing in a teaching hospital environment for the last 35 years, they simply are afraid to ask for help. Why? Because they don't want anyone to think that they are not able to intellectually be here. I have personally advocated for that to change and use your point, "it's ok to ask for help in understanding the complexities of a patient's case!" Having been on the side of a patient who had just sucha resident wreak physical havoc on me due to a dismissive and arrogant attitude, let alone incompetence, he has been disciplined. You and I both know the truth...the more humble the person, the better able to heal the patient. Not all of the arrogant ones are incompetent...some are incredibly talented and brilliant. However, we have lost out on the whole in healthcare with forgetting that we are there to "heal" and not boost our fragile and overworked "egos"...my apologies for rambling. Keep up the good work. Peace. Peter
@nadineparsons3963
@nadineparsons3963 5 жыл бұрын
@@petemd3 As a female USMC war vet, the VA treats all new patients like, er....Anyhoo, know you are appreciated, Pete. Peace Love and granola. 🏩
@CuleChick11
@CuleChick11 5 жыл бұрын
I mean, if there's a simple test you can do to determine if something is wrong, why would you fight it? Why would you NOT double check to make sure your patient is safe? That doctor is just an egotistical caricature.
@roxanneguerin6520
@roxanneguerin6520 5 жыл бұрын
Poor Sybil, this episode was so heartbreaking to fans like myself. She was the nicest of the three sisters, strong, determined and intelligent. She fought against what was expected of a woman in those times and worked hard as a nurse. The most frustrating thing was that her death was preventable! Thanks so much for reviewing it from a medical perspective, very informative.
@su-rv2uq
@su-rv2uq 5 жыл бұрын
I loved Sybil because unlike her sisters, she was truly a nice person, intelligent, and wanted to contribute to the world. I loved how they had Gwen come back in the final season and tell the family what Sybil's help in getting her first secretarial job meant to her, changing her life, and how she reached a place to help other girls.
@Martinsspiegel
@Martinsspiegel 5 жыл бұрын
If only the actress who played her would have agreed to a new contract :-(
@theberrby6836
@theberrby6836 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Agreed...
@joeypotter6051
@joeypotter6051 4 жыл бұрын
@@su-rv2uq OMG that made me SOB
@romulusthemainecoon3047
@romulusthemainecoon3047 3 жыл бұрын
@@su-rv2uq I loved Sybil too. But I believe that Edith did have a good heart. Alhough she made mistakes and wasn't above being a petty bitch in the first season, one could easily tell it came from being ignored by her parents and bullied outright by Mary.
@sherrihorton2532
@sherrihorton2532 5 жыл бұрын
During this episode my husband couldn’t sit still. I had preeclampsia with my first and literally had all of the same symptoms as Sybil. Of course everything turned out fine, (although magnesium sulfate makes you feel like crap,) but just the realization of how serious it was freaked my husband out.
@tasha5048
@tasha5048 5 жыл бұрын
Sybil was my favorite sister. I didn't like Edith at first, but I liked her better than Mary by the end of the series.
@nmmarquesm
@nmmarquesm 4 жыл бұрын
Edith was misunderstood!
@amandacavalcanti5907
@amandacavalcanti5907 4 жыл бұрын
Totally
@carlingnugent
@carlingnugent 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@BrownRiceBunny1
@BrownRiceBunny1 4 жыл бұрын
I disliked Edith until she was finally getting married to Sir Anthony and I started to hate Mary when she fucked it up. She would’ve been content but not absolutely happy - it was wrong either way.
@Hss922
@Hss922 4 жыл бұрын
I cant say that downtown abbey was my favourite show as i hated it because i couldn't stand mary!
@HerHollyness
@HerHollyness 5 жыл бұрын
This episode was so heartbreaking. Lady Sybil was incredible and they SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO CLARKSON. Why would you ignore your family doctor, who has known your daughter since infancy, telling you that she is in severe danger and needs to be hospitalised? It was very hard to forgive Robert for a long time after that.
@lookielooie
@lookielooie 5 жыл бұрын
So hated him for that!
@SunflowerSpotlight
@SunflowerSpotlight 5 жыл бұрын
Well I don’t know. I’ve been ill since I was 11, diagnosed at 12, we went to various specialists all across the country. I met the guy who wrote the textbook on the pediatric form of my illness. In cases of conflicting opinions, my parents often went with the specialist. You figure, with someone who has such a reputation, who only deals with just this every single day, you think surely going with their opinion is the safe option. And from our perspective of course it was obvious. But as a parent in that moment, you want to go with the safe route. You brought this guy in who’s the best, and you want the best for your little girl, and while your trust your doctor, you think, if he was so good, so infallible, surely he’d have become a specialist with an awesome reputation as well. So since he didn’t, maybe he’s not the one to lean on. My dad’s also a second generation doctor, who’s had turns of being an internist and a specialist, so I see both sides of this in that regard. It is really frustrating and a tragedy she died, but she died because of the specialist’s ego (ugh don’t get me started on the horrible egotistical doctor trope!), not because of her parents or Dr. Clarkson. The specialist is the only person deserving of blame or anger here. It goes to show that having the courage to say “I’m not sure, I don’t know,” early on can save a world of pain later, which is something I also experienced in the hometown doctor vs specialist tug of war in my own life.
@rowanaforrest9792
@rowanaforrest9792 5 жыл бұрын
Robert really, badly blew it, though he was ignorant of medical things and had some valid reason for doubting Dr. Clarkson. One of the saddest things is that it was highly possible, even probable, that even had Robert taken Dr. Clarkson's advice and sent Sybil to the hospital at the first danger signs for a C-section, in those days that was a much more dangerous surgery and though the baby would have been in much less danger, Lady Sybil had a high risk of dying anyway from the combination of surgery and pre-eclampsia. Surgical technique was less refined back then, and medical treatment much more limited.
@redmoon9650
@redmoon9650 5 жыл бұрын
Cora and everyone else wanted to listen to Dr Clarkson, it was Robert’s arrogant loyalty to aristocratic bullshit that killed Sybil. I know it’s just a show and the characters aren’t real but I could never fully forgive Robert.
@mariaeddycesario9939
@mariaeddycesario9939 5 жыл бұрын
Problem is: Dr. Clarkson got Lavinia's condition wrong. He got Matthew's condition wrong. It was not easy to give him a third chance ...
@michelehood8837
@michelehood8837 5 жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed with pre-eclampsia during labor with my youngest. I remember watching this episode after the fact and feeling very, very fortunate for modern-day obstetrics (and Magnesium!).
@louise-yo7kz
@louise-yo7kz 5 жыл бұрын
Mag drips, prevents seizures as a smooth muscle relaxant
@zeldamorgan9260
@zeldamorgan9260 4 жыл бұрын
Same for me, three decades ago. It was scary then, but scarier watching this and realising how serious it really was
@slcRN1971
@slcRN1971 3 жыл бұрын
Your comment is helpful too, in that it shows how a medication may be great for prevention of more serious side effects yet it can result in ‘feeling like crap’. Also that this was very traumatic for your husband as well.
@impalamama7302
@impalamama7302 2 жыл бұрын
Magnesium IM has been used for a long time for preventing seizures from alcohol/drug withdrawal as well.
@JA268
@JA268 Жыл бұрын
Yes. When my mom was pregnant with my brother, she was diagnosed with preeclampsia, which I didn't know, and they gave her magnesium.
@AirQuotes
@AirQuotes 2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting this episode had a huge impact on the shows characters. Mary the next person to have a baby went straight to a hospital where's normally she would've stayed at home.
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster 2 жыл бұрын
In a couple of other episodes you notice the staff also being much more on edge and worried with a new pregnancy, and honestly, in those days I can seriously see that happening. This episode really gave me shivers and the devastation of her death among the staff was very convincing, everyone looked heartbroken there. Even today I can really understand that some people would immediately request extra medical attention upon experiencing something a second time that nearly killed them the first.
@mlpmeg1213
@mlpmeg1213 Жыл бұрын
@@Dutch3DMaster oh definitely to you’re second statement. My older sister had her umbilical cord wrapped around her neck I think and my mom had to have an emergency c-section. When it came time to have me my mom decided to not even try to give birth vaginally and scheduled a c-section. I don’t think there was anything indicating she’d have a similar experience with me but she didn’t want to chance it
@Miss_Camel
@Miss_Camel Жыл бұрын
Although, if she’d given birth at home, maybe her husband wouldn’t have died on the drive home from the hospital….jk, he was leaving the show, they did the best they could on short notice. Screw him.
@anwyn9846
@anwyn9846 6 ай бұрын
My son had that, they called it a bandolier umbilical, and did an emergency c section. The contractions bring down the baby's heart rate and that's never a good thing.
@DoriZuza
@DoriZuza 6 ай бұрын
@@mlpmeg1213 She basically had to have a C-section when having you. A vaginal birth after a caesarean is technically possible (if sufficient years have passed for the uterine scar to strengthen) but still extremely risky to both mother and baby.
@danalewis9240
@danalewis9240 5 жыл бұрын
This episode of Downton Abbey was so painful to watch as a Labor and Delivery nurse. I also worked in Critical Care L&D so I knew exactly what was happening. I thought they did a good job with everything adding up to “toxemia” as well as her eventual death from eclampsia. As a nurse in this field I would have loved to work with you and your team work attitude. But we all have experienced the type of doctor Sir Phillip is sadly. Yes there are still arrogant docs out there that we all hate to work with. Thank you for not being one of them.
@sweetgal3575
@sweetgal3575 5 жыл бұрын
And arrogant doctors tend to make patients feel stupid and crazy, "It's all in your head. Nothing is wrong". I've got a ton of stories about that
@jlp2061
@jlp2061 4 жыл бұрын
When I had false labor, Had nurses at another cities hospital (DC) know who my Obgyn was. Their comment...”he doesn’t let women suffer”. They know who to go to.
@oreo12ification
@oreo12ification 4 жыл бұрын
This episode is still one of the hardest to watch, especially if you have followed the Downton series. It still makes me cry...
@ollysundeiy
@ollysundeiy 4 жыл бұрын
My older brother died twenty something years ago because the doctor screwed up the c section.
@dawnvickerstaff9148
@dawnvickerstaff9148 4 жыл бұрын
@@sweetgal3575 That's called 'gaslighting'. Men do it to women a lot. It's the more toxic form of 'mansplaining', as if mansplaining weren't toxic enough.
@chelseal654
@chelseal654 5 жыл бұрын
The reason British television medical situations are so accurate is that there are laws forbidding the portrayal inaccurate medical information. Which is awesome. And this was the episode that made me bug out of the rest of season 3. Which I still haven’t seen, lol.
@Vincisomething
@Vincisomething 5 жыл бұрын
I just try to forget this happened. Sybil was one of my favorite Downton Abbey characters and did not deserve that :/. Even Thomas Barrow liked her and he doesn't usually like anyone.
@Kaeinlya
@Kaeinlya 5 жыл бұрын
She brought out his last few dregs of human decency.
@Darienlover999
@Darienlover999 5 жыл бұрын
Me too, she was my favorite. I cried shamelessly when she died.
@gracehowell.
@gracehowell. 4 жыл бұрын
I cried even more when Thomas said that she wouldn't have missed him if he'd died, or whatever he said, and he had to be reassured that she definitely WOULD have mourned him if he'd died instead. They got to know each other so much during the war; she saw a side of him that very few saw.
@Sol-fo2zu
@Sol-fo2zu 3 жыл бұрын
The way Thomas sobbed was everything
@confusedlesbianthing
@confusedlesbianthing 4 жыл бұрын
As a huge Downton Abbey fan, I cried my heart out during that episode. Sybil was the youngest and in my opinion the nicest and sweetest daughter and when she started to have seizures and you saw Tom (her husband) and her mother next to her bed, yelling and crying that someone should to something to help her, I totally lost it. This episode was and will always be totally heartbreaking to me. And as you said, we are so lucky to be advanced in modern medicine to help people better than we could have 100 years ago which I thank God for on a daily basis because one hundred years ago, I would have died (I have diabetes) and that moment in Downtown Abbey,when her father said something along the lines of "she's 24, that can't be true" reminds me everytime to appreciate the fact that I'm alive in a time in which I can live almost totally normal. I'm writing this at around 01:00 AM, English isn't my main language and I'm too lazy to check for mistakes. So if you find any mistakes please correct me so I can improve my English even more!
@sealogic4552
@sealogic4552 3 жыл бұрын
Your English is a far cry more fluent than many native English speakers I know personally.
@maryerb6062
@maryerb6062 3 жыл бұрын
You said it just fine!
@patsymontana7670
@patsymontana7670 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings from a fellow diabetic. I think your English is just fine. Far better than some Americans I know. Good luck counting carbs!!!!!!🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
@RaymondHng
@RaymondHng 2 жыл бұрын
Very well articulated with subordinate clauses. Just minor errors: _...should do something to help her, I totally..._ _...we are so lucky to be advanced in modern medicine..._ _...daily basis because one hundred years ago..._
@kateofthings
@kateofthings 5 жыл бұрын
Kind of an interesting side note: Magnesium had been shown to be helpful for treating preeclampsia/eclampsia as early as 1904 at the Chicago Lying Inn, and had gained widespread use in the United States by the year this episode was set (1920). The use of magnesium in preeclampsia was controversial in the United Kingdom (believe it or not) up to the 1990s, when large RCTs for treatment in eclampsia (1995) and prevention in preeclampsia (2002) were published and settled the matter.
@mellie4174
@mellie4174 3 жыл бұрын
Yup! Europeans are terrified of anything related to vitamins znd minerals
@ladyscholar3421
@ladyscholar3421 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I had pre-eclampsia in 1984 at 35 weeks and was treated with magnesium (and pitocin induced). I eventually was able to deliver vaginally, but it was a really close call. BP was 140/104, albumin was 3+, major headache, swollen feet and hands, vomiting, and I started developing a rash on my hands and face. Now I feel very lucky that both my daughter and I survived knowing that such treatments were still controversial in the 80s.
@therat1117
@therat1117 3 жыл бұрын
See what I was really mad about was that if there was a risk of preeclampsia, all the doctor needed to do was recommend an injection of sodium thiocyanate to bring her blood pressure down, as it was widely available at the time and relatively non-controversial. People did know how to manage blood pressure in the 1920s, and the fact that the doctor's only thought was Caesarian section even though it had a high mortality rate at the time due to infection, as correctly noted, is bizarre.
@AirQuotes
@AirQuotes 2 жыл бұрын
@@mellie4174 why though
@nicoladavies3391
@nicoladavies3391 5 жыл бұрын
You should always trust the Scottish Doctor from a modest background over the pompous posh Harley St one. A certainty of TV drama.
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 5 жыл бұрын
It isn't just that. Clarkson knew Sybil. He knew how she normally acted and even how her body normally looked.
@dorisdaumann5914
@dorisdaumann5914 4 жыл бұрын
@@carlycrays2831 What is the other person talking about ?? Didn't she/he watch this episode ??!!
@pegaseg70
@pegaseg70 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the good laugh
@Ajehy
@Ajehy 3 жыл бұрын
@@dorisdaumann5914 - They’re talking about how it’s a common part of dramatic storytelling. The “expert” will often be wrong, especially if it allows the show to focus on the tragic results of that arrogance. “Pride goeth before the fall” and all that.
@ioanasingureanu
@ioanasingureanu 5 жыл бұрын
Commentary on class in Edwardian England: arrogant doctor, *Sir* Phillip, dismissed a competent "commoner", Dr Clark, to the detriment of the patient. 😭
@sunriseschild
@sunriseschild 5 жыл бұрын
I seem to remember that "classiness" was also the reason many doctors refused to take basic precautions such as washing their hands because "a doctor is a gentleman, and a gentleman's hands are clean by definition", which of course, was bullshit, spread disease and cost lives.
@melodye14
@melodye14 5 жыл бұрын
Wow that's insane logic.
@ioanasingureanu
@ioanasingureanu 5 жыл бұрын
@@melodye14 that's your typical ego-based treatment 🧐
@ioanasingureanu
@ioanasingureanu 5 жыл бұрын
@@sunriseschild indeed, it took doctors decades to embrace Dr. Luster's recommendation to wash between cadaver dissection and delivering babies!!!
@dawnkindnesscountsmost5991
@dawnkindnesscountsmost5991 6 ай бұрын
Less serious, but in so many murd3r mysteries I've watched over the years, set during these times, it seems like the police officers and detectives who were at the manor house to investigate the murd3r, would actually have to defer to the preferences and schedules of the aristocrats who lived there! Like, "Excuse me, Lord Wheaties and Lady Cheerios, I'm Detective Chief Inspector Reginald Jeeves, and this is my assistant, Inspector Bertram Wooster. We are here to investigate the murd3murd37iir of the man in your library, and find the person responsible as soon as possible, and bring them to justice! We will need the exclusive use of your library for the duration." Lord Wheaties be like, " Oh yes, as long as my good Lady can entertain her mahjong club in the library every Tuesday afternoon at 2 until 4:30, and my pointers can relax in there every day from 11 AM until 1 PM, and of course the maid will need come in to dust and tend the fire every morning and evening. Beyond those super important activities, the library is at your disposal, my good man." DCI Jeeves: "Yes, your Lordship, very accommodating of you." 😳 Aristocracy doesn't make an aristocrat automatically right, especially in matters of serious health concerns, or the law. And not washing their hands!! Let them lay hands on a person with leprosy, and then hand them a turkey leg and tell them they have to eat it right then and there.
@hez5160
@hez5160 3 жыл бұрын
I think the worst part of this episode (yes, i know it's fiction and they're actors) is her mother sitting beside her. She's just become a grandmother for the first time, her baby just had a baby...No parent should have a child die, at any age. I can't fathom how absolutely devastating it would be for a mother to watch her daughter die this way.
@dietotaku
@dietotaku Жыл бұрын
it's wild to me that so many people who love and care for her are listening to one doctor say "this is a bfd she needs a hospital NOW" and they go with the dude blowing everyone off, acting like a whole constellation of symptoms is all coincidence and she's fine. i'd rather err on the side of getting medical care than not.
@harringt100
@harringt100 Жыл бұрын
@@dietotaku It wasn't really as simple of a decision as you're making it out to be, though. Like, as much of a jerk as Tapsil was, he had a point that undergoing a C-section in a public country hospital in 1920s England was quite risky in itself--infections, etc. People were used to women giving birth at home and hospitals were scary for not-imaginary-or-totally-insignificant reasons. Sibyl's symptoms were also more advanced than those of a lot of moms who get induced or are given a C-section for pre-eclampsia now, which makes a big difference in the mother's chances of survival. Most mothers who developed severe pre-eclampsia died at this time, whether they got medical care or not. (And Clarkson admits that in the following episode, I believe.) You're looking at this with the eyes of a modern person, for whom germ theory is taken for granted, hospitals practice scrupulous hygiene, anesthetics are abundant and safe, antibiotics are abundant and effective, there are known and widely available treatments for eclamptic seizures, and maternal mortality is a very rare thing. But that just wasn't the case for the Crawleys. (Though...for the record, the mother who the original comment was talking about was _all_ for taking Sibyl to the hospital. It's just the decision was ultimately Sibyl's husband's, and he was too panicked to take charge, so he kind of let his father-in-law tell him what to do.)
@brennaturton6891
@brennaturton6891 11 ай бұрын
​​@@harringt100you are right on so many points. Modern medicine as we know it is less than 100 years; people forget/don't realise how many things have changed, and in such a short amount of time as well. It's incredible. Documentaries on the history of medicine are horrifying, amazing, and mind opening.
@sayhello5377
@sayhello5377 5 жыл бұрын
I'm 31 weeks pregnant and had to go to L&D a few days ago because I had the most horrible migraine ever and my doctor wanted to make sure I didn't have preeclampsia. My husband and I were shoving clothes and things in an overnight bag, about to head to the hospital, and he said, "I don't get it! What is preeclampsia?" Literally the first thing that came to mind was, "Remember how Sybil died on Downton?!" Thank the Lord it was "just" a migraine!
@plantnerd7565
@plantnerd7565 5 жыл бұрын
Sybil was the sweetest character. Dr Clarkson (the doctor advocating for Sybil) is as you expected good friends with the family and actually worked with Sybil who became a nurse during the war.
@emmae8857
@emmae8857 5 жыл бұрын
What really upset me (apart from this episode) was Dr Clarkson apologising in a later episode saying he did all he could and he could not have saved her anyway. And that the family was mad at him in the first place. They should have been annoyed at the first doctor, not Dr Clarkson.
@plantnerd7565
@plantnerd7565 5 жыл бұрын
@@emmae8857 true that! Guess they have to make it more dramatic. Of course titled doctors among the higher classes seemed to have the reputation as the better doctors to listen too.
@TheYasmineFlower
@TheYasmineFlower 5 жыл бұрын
@@emmae8857 The Dowager asked him to clarify that he likely couldn't have saved Sybil, though, to save the marriage of Robert and Cora. One can argue if it was the right thing to do, but I do think they would have fallen apart otherwise, without each other to lean on.
@Relmyna
@Relmyna 5 жыл бұрын
He cared for Sybil and knew she was a good person. So sad.
@RobinPoe
@RobinPoe 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheYasmineFlower I remember that scene. Dr. Clarkson said "you want me to lie?" and the Dowager Countess said, "Lie... is such an unmusical term."
@Annie_Annie__
@Annie_Annie__ 5 жыл бұрын
Something I’m wondering about, is I think it’s the next episode that Robert and Cora’s (Sybil’s parents) relationship is really suffering largely because Cora blames Robert for Sybil’s death since he was the one that brought in that horrible Sir Dr Snob. Their relationship seems like it may be unsalvageable because, well, let’s face it, it is a little bit Robert’s fault. So Robert’s mother Violet (Maggie Smith) convinces Dr Clarkson to basically lie and tell Cora that odds are that even if they had taken Sybil to the hospital and given her surgery, she probably still would have died. He lied to Cora and Robert to try and lift that guilt off of them and at least save their marriage. I was curious what a doctor would think of this? Lying for the sake of a patient’s (or a patient’s family members) mental health. If there was no risk of lawsuit or other issues, would you consider doing the same?
@ginao6810
@ginao6810 5 жыл бұрын
Yes I was thinking about this too! Was that even medically correct? I always got the impression Violet asked him to more skew the odds, so rather than 75% I could have saved her, make it more 50/50 either way, it was all a gamble, who knows what would have happened. He was VERY vague when he went to talk to Robert and Cora. I do think it was a kindness, (tho it was one of Roberts most unforgivable moments), but it’s also incredibly patronising
@MsMcmoe
@MsMcmoe 5 жыл бұрын
@@ginao6810 - There's usually a 50/50% chance 'Robert' is going to turn into a pompous ass...
@miamiric6051
@miamiric6051 5 жыл бұрын
Annie I believe this is something doctors sometimes do now for the sake of the patient. I’m not sure how legal it is but I’ve heard accounts of it happening in real life.
@Zzmora
@Zzmora 5 жыл бұрын
With the conditions they had back then for performing a C-section the odds could have really been 50/50. The bad thing is that doing nothing as Sir Douche said had 100% chance of a bad ending...
@annalisadugard3628
@annalisadugard3628 4 жыл бұрын
He was right, the odds were pretty good they were going to lose her anyway.
@ash1rose
@ash1rose 5 жыл бұрын
That episode broke my heart. Sybil was easily my favorite character. She didn’t GAF about social class, which is of course clichéd as hell, but the actress who played her was such a delight you didn’t mind it.
@melo13melo
@melo13melo 5 жыл бұрын
I remember when I watched that scene it was so sad but it was so well acted. The way Dr. Clarkson just has his head down, completely resigned to the fact that Sybil was going to die is just so gut wrenching. You can see his feelings so clearly.
@Bluekittycatt
@Bluekittycatt 5 жыл бұрын
when i first watched this episode, as soon as Sybil said her ankles were swollen and her head hurt I had the same reaction as you "oh, no..."
@adelaidepineau3856
@adelaidepineau3856 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly... This episode is so sad....
@Bluekittycatt
@Bluekittycatt 5 жыл бұрын
@@adelaidepineau3856 I also have a child with epilepsy, and him seizing until he dies is basically my worst nightmare, so this episode is quite traumatic to me :/
@adelaidepineau3856
@adelaidepineau3856 5 жыл бұрын
@@Bluekittycatt oh my.... I'm so sorry. I can't imagine how difficult this should be. Send you lots of love ♥️
@loonylaura85
@loonylaura85 5 жыл бұрын
@@Bluekittycatt ❤
@eli-hk8tp
@eli-hk8tp 2 жыл бұрын
Me too. This show was basically the family show and we all watched it together, and I was pretty young at the time of this episode. Even when I was maybe 10 or 11, I knew something was wrong when she said that.
@ihaveanamebutimnottellingyou
@ihaveanamebutimnottellingyou 5 жыл бұрын
I remember crying so hard during this episode! Devastating
@Mscoloraturakae
@Mscoloraturakae 5 жыл бұрын
Iona Mackenzie me too!
@texaskc
@texaskc 5 жыл бұрын
I remember wanting to kill that snooty Sir doctor and let Clarkson handle it.
@Lynevil
@Lynevil 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine a patient dying because your dumb a** thought she just had "fat ankles"
@Annie_Annie__
@Annie_Annie__ 5 жыл бұрын
Heck, I cried watching this video. I’ve watched every season of Downton Abbey multiple times but I almost always skip this episode. I just can’t bear it. When the episode was new I screamed at the tv, lol. Sybil was the best character on the show.
@violetpup4272
@violetpup4272 5 жыл бұрын
Yes me too. My mom is a NICU nurse and she was screaming at the TV.
@racheyrach_rach3548
@racheyrach_rach3548 4 жыл бұрын
I ended up getting severe pre-eclampsia and having a emergency c-section at 28 weeks. My baby was born weighing 1.5lbs. Thankfully after 3 months in NICU she was able to go home on a feeding tube and oxygen. Now she's fine and a bubbly 7 month old. I watched this episode sometime after she was born and was so thankful to be living in a time where we have such medical advancements that can save us and our babies.
@KentuckyLiz
@KentuckyLiz 2 жыл бұрын
OMG this was such a great series. You're watching this cold but us Downtonheads were in love with Lady Sybil and wept openly and grieved because of this episode. I hope you watch this series! It's so good.
@HG-gj9lh
@HG-gj9lh 5 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on postpartum preeclampsia. I could have died in the first few days after having my first if it hadn't been for my mother in law making me go to the hospital. I was 3 days postpartum and had just been released from the hospital the day before. I didn't know that what I was experiencing wasn't normal for post pregnancy. I had the worst headache of my life and my hands and feet were swollen so much. My mother in law got concerned when I said that my head hurt so badly that even my eyes were throbbing. My blood pressure was 178/123 when I made it to the hospital. I've never gotten in a room so quickly and my obgyn was even acting alarmed. My concern was if my insurance would cover it since I already had the baby. She said point blank, "I'm not going to let you die just to save you some money." That's when I realized how serious it was. I ended up staying 3 more days in the hospital. I was on blood pressure medication for 3 months after he was born and it happened again after my second pregnancy, but I knew the signs and was able to start treating it before it got dangerous. My obgyn said its uncommon to develop preeclampsia after pregnancy, so it often goes overlooked. It was never even mentioned to me, so I didn't know it was even possible after pregnancy.
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 5 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! That's an incredible story and I'm glad you and your babies are okay, thank you for sharing because it's important that we educate ourselves on these kind of issues and to also know what to look for.
@samantharubinger9157
@samantharubinger9157 5 жыл бұрын
I had postpartum preeclampsia after my son was born in 2015. I never heard of it before either and my blood pressure was completely normal during pregnancy and sky rocketed after he was born. However I live in Canada and the health care here is not that great they just discharged me and told me to monitor it at home.
@paigesmith6898
@paigesmith6898 5 жыл бұрын
My daughter, also, almost died from postpartum preeclampsia. She was not fortunate to have a good hospital or doctor, even though we traveled almost an hour so she could deliver at a "competent" hospital. They sent her home with blood pressure as high as yours and still severely swollen. She was back at the E.R. in our small town within 24 hours. They gave her lasix (sp?) in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. She ended up losing 40 lbs of fluid in a week. Her doctor was so horrible that he wouldn't allow the hospital to continue the magnesium they put her on when she arrived. His solution was to put bumpers on the head of her bed in case she had seizures!!!! We fired him, but even the attending doctors kept saying that she should be getting better because she had already delivered the baby! They all acted like postpartum pre-eclamsia was not a thing!!! It was horrible. The hospital, btw, is Athens Regional in Georgia. Do NOT deliver your baby there!
@samantharubinger9157
@samantharubinger9157 5 жыл бұрын
@@paigesmith6898 wow I'm so sorry to hear that happened to your daughter, I can't imagine how awful and traumatic that was. Unfortunately it seems there is a lack of education and training around postpartum preeclampsia especially. I really wish there was more understanding and awareness so that women such as myself and your daughter would not have to suffer. Hope she is doing well now.
@jd-no7rw
@jd-no7rw 5 жыл бұрын
I had this after my first. Horrible swelling, high blood pressure, I'm sure protein in my urine because they were checking for it, however, I did not know what they were checking for at the time. I was already in the hospital because I had to have a c-section. No one told me anything, even my doctor. Fast forward 3 1/2 years, I ended up in the hospital with preclampsia prior to the birth of my 2nd child - and finally everything made sense. I had pre and postpartum preeclampsia with my 2nd. If I would have known it with my 1st child, I may have been able to have the conversation with the doctor before the 2nd. It was not the same doctor, as I had changed providers. Doctors should tell their patients that if you have it with one pregnancy, there is an increased risk with a second. I already had a very high risk pregnancy, and I feel I should have been informed that I had post preeclampsia with my first.
@jennifer7582
@jennifer7582 5 жыл бұрын
I think people wanted you to watch it because that was a soul-destroyer episode for a lot of people. It was the suspense of knowing what could happen to a beloved character, and think the way you did ("she's a main character, they can't klll her")....and then you've got the whole scene by the bedside. I know it's an episode I cannot watch when I watch DA. Plus it's so realistic, on most TV dramas the deaths aren't so up-in-your face. They happen off screen, or the people dying are dying while people are actively trying to save them. Jessica Brown Findlay's acting was amazing.
@mamaknight05
@mamaknight05 5 жыл бұрын
Lady Sybil was such a favorite character for most anyone who has seen this series. It was like watching a family member die.
@SunflowerSpotlight
@SunflowerSpotlight 5 жыл бұрын
I watched most of the series with my mother, and this was so hard for us! She was very upset, and later she admitted the idea of it was really unsettling, since, well, she knows I want to be a mom one day and I’ve been ill over half my life, so she has this latent fear about it for me (also, she almost died giving birth to me so there’s that as well!). We were in the second to last season when we stopped being able to get together to watch it. My mom was diagnosed with late stage cancer when she had a hysterectomy two months ago, in various areas of her abdomen. It was a total shock, all the tests had said the mass was benign. So now we’re trying to either get together or FaceTime while we simulcast it, so we can finish watching it together. Hopefully she’ll be up to seeing the movie in theaters. It would be a great memory to make.
@emilypaulsen3819
@emilypaulsen3819 5 жыл бұрын
Watched this episode right after a mom local to me died of eclampsia 2 days after having her third child. It was so distressing to witness her family have to go through that, and then lo and behold, there I was a week later watching this episode
@emilypaulsen3819
@emilypaulsen3819 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely horrible way to die, and in such a happy time too. It isn't very common, but it does happen.
@frankievalentine6112
@frankievalentine6112 5 жыл бұрын
We just wanted an explanation of WHY!
@romancandle416
@romancandle416 2 жыл бұрын
"I'm not attached to these characters...but surely she's not going to die!" (Laughs in Julian Fellows)
@rachelgarber1423
@rachelgarber1423 5 жыл бұрын
Lord Grantham was too impressed with the "Sir" in front of his name.
@grannylyn757
@grannylyn757 5 жыл бұрын
One important element that hasn't been discussed is many, many doctors had a God complex. They were never questioned, never doubted, and never wrong! I'm old, and I can say that every doctor (and dentist) I had growing up were exactly like this man. I didn't know any physician who actually listened to me until I had my second child, in the 70's.
@breg9476
@breg9476 5 жыл бұрын
most of them still have god complexes.
@smiavsvs3677
@smiavsvs3677 5 жыл бұрын
The aristocratic doctor certainly did, but if you watched the series, do you remember the first few episodes? When the closest heir died onboard the Titanic and they were trying to figure out who the new heir would be, they were horrified to learn that Matthew was the son of a "common doctor." That may be true overall, but in this instance, with this family--or Robert, anyway, it's clear that it had more to do with the fact that this particular doctor was a member of the aristocracy. They frequently talked down to the family doctor, so they certainly didn't hold him in any particular esteem. Even when the first world war was going on and much of the abbey had been repurposed as a hospital, they complained about its interference with their lives regularly. Sybil was the only one who didn't, actually, and then he had to watch her die due to the same arrogance they showed him over and over again.
@smiavsvs3677
@smiavsvs3677 5 жыл бұрын
@Sabrina Kall There's corruption in every field, though. 🤷‍♀️Most of the physicians I've seen over the years (both in the US and in France) have been great. I work with kids and wouldn't want to be compared to some of the horror stories you hear in my field. I try to give other people the same benefit of the doubt. :)
@ashleyashleym2969
@ashleyashleym2969 5 жыл бұрын
Yep that's how medicine was practiced in that time. That practice of medicine is incredibly frowned upon now though.
@dorisdaumann5914
@dorisdaumann5914 4 жыл бұрын
@@smiavsvs3677 I have a sickness that isn't obviously very often , discovered around 10 years ago in my body . I have met at least 30 doctors in the hospital (for being interviewed also) and a team of 4 docs take care of me at home . All of them are very very nice and competent , no one of them do any decision about a change of medication etc without getting my permission . I really feel being in very very good hands . Why isn't this always the same ?!
@SheriElmont
@SheriElmont 5 жыл бұрын
Those of us who know and love these characters were sobbing at this episode. Even watching it again I get teary. We love Sybil.
@lookielooie
@lookielooie 5 жыл бұрын
Me too. This episode was just traumatizing! I felt like I actually lost a family member. She was the best of them. 😢
@darianrose2195
@darianrose2195 5 жыл бұрын
Tv character aside, Sybil was beautiful inside and out and I know I sobbed over her death. Her death right after the birth of her only child only made Matthew's own death via car crash after the birth of his and Mary's son all the harder to swallow. Downton Abbey did character development very well and it was easy to get attached.
@Beeryy93
@Beeryy93 5 жыл бұрын
I watched Downton through again last month and cried AGAIN doesn’t matter how many times I see it I always feel heartbroken when she dies :(
@dorisdaumann5914
@dorisdaumann5914 4 жыл бұрын
@@Beeryy93 I watch this show also sometimes again and for me this episode is hard to watch - it is shocking always - it doesn't matter how often I see it !! And I cry , too ... 😢 Just imagine - a young beautiful woman , loved by her husband and full of love herself , dies a few hours after giving birth to her child ..... This is painful - on a movie and in reality !! And here - Sibil was the sweetest one of the 3sisters - always friendly , always helpful , loving and caring ... Her death is very hard to watch (very well performed !!) and to believe ...
@charlotteautumn4177
@charlotteautumn4177 3 жыл бұрын
Knowing what happens in this episode, I was breathing heavier and heavier as it went along. Sybil's death caught me so off guard the first time I saw it, my sister and I were bawling. I still think about it a lot and it was honestly one of the most traumatic and heart-wrenching scenes I've ever seen in a tv series. Especially considering the character that Sybil was and the lengths that she and Branson went to to be together.
@Ajehy
@Ajehy 3 жыл бұрын
The whole “don’t be anxious” thing hits REALLY close to home. I have an anxiety disorder as well as depression... the number of times people have told me to “just cheer up”? Ugh.
@audreygreene9339
@audreygreene9339 5 жыл бұрын
Dear Mama Doctor Jones, you seem like a wonderful caring doctor. I wish you a long career and I hope all your moms and babies appreciate you.
@Melodeeb
@Melodeeb 5 жыл бұрын
I always wanted a health professional to dissect this scene. You did a great job! Thanks!
@thesavvyblackbird
@thesavvyblackbird 5 жыл бұрын
The hospital was looked down upon for being “public”-where poor commoners went for treatment. Not a lady. Even if there was more chance of getting better treatment. We may think that’s ridiculous, but Princess Diana was the first British royal to give birth in a hospital. Queen Elizabeth’s father, George VI had the surgery to remove his lung cancer done at Buckingham palace. So Downton Abbey has done a great job of showing what upper class Britain society was like in the 20th century-getting drug kicking and screaming into the 21st. Lady Cora, the mother of the late Lady Sybil was angry with her husband for a very long time. What bothers me the most about this episode and the entire series is how the women had to coax and cajole the men to change their minds because they were being stubborn and wouldn’t listen to the women. It wasn’t just penises>vaginas. It was the hierarchy of the aristocracy. If you have a higher social position and are older, your opinion is more respected, even if you don’t have two brain cells to rub together (inbreeding made that more likely). So the young doctor who wasn’t aristocratic didn’t have a chance of being listened to. Earl Grantham, the father of Lady Sybil couldn’t just come out and say that he didn’t trust the Sir doctor and had to show reverence even when his daughter was dying. It’s absolutely ridiculous, but everyone lived and died by these rules. Lady Sybil’s husband Tom didn’t get a say because he was common, and the family didn’t approve the match. He and Sybil eloped. Which is why Matthew, Sybil’s BIL, was so outspoken. He had seniority because he’d married the eldest daughter, Lady Mary, and knew that nobody would listen to Tom. The other men barely even spoke to Tom. The family did embrace him after Sybil’s death, so all’s well that ends well, right?
@hannahdyson7129
@hannahdyson7129 8 ай бұрын
Anne gave birth in hosptail as well to her two children
@tracyroweauthor
@tracyroweauthor 3 жыл бұрын
"this is painful to watch" Imagine what it was like to those of us who loved Sybil, lol. Even years later it hurts to watch.
@johnparkway
@johnparkway 5 жыл бұрын
I shall never forget hearing the overhead announcement "Code Blue Labor & Delivery" in 1992 in the hospital where I worked. The mother successfully delivered her baby and then immediately died - a presumed amniotic fluid embolism. Maternal deaths are so sad, so shocking...
@hollyjb
@hollyjb 5 жыл бұрын
My mom had pre-eclampsia with me in the mid 80s. The doctor told my dad they had to do a C-section 6 weeks before my due date - risking my death - because if they didn’t, we both would have died. He told my dad “you can always have another baby; it’s a lot harder to replace your wife.” Thankfully we both survived, although my lungs collapsed an hour after birth and they also gave me some random person’s blood (without consulting my family or asking any of them to give). This was January 1986, so I had to go in for multiple blood tests over the years due to the contaminated blood scare of ‘85. Plus my dad’s mom was there the entire time and she stressed my mom out so much her blood pressure would only go down at night, and that’s the only time they would let her out of bed to see me. At least now nurses and doctors advocate more for patients and encourage them to speak up or tell family members to leave them the hell alone if they’re causing issues, haha.
@TheatricalLady
@TheatricalLady 5 жыл бұрын
This episode scared the hell out of me when I watched it. I had pre eclampsia with my first, and had to have her delivered (in the end by section) five weeks early, after nearly 3 weeks in hospital. I watched this episode when I was feeding her as a newborn, in hindsight not a good idea. Lol I was very very glad I live in this day and age and we were both ok. I was very grateful for modern medicine when watching this. And of course I was furious at the doctor who blew off the diagnosis and therefore was probably responsible for her death.
@jlp2061
@jlp2061 4 жыл бұрын
KreativeKaren my son was tremendously underweight. We delivered much early and he is 25
@kaiadaigle937
@kaiadaigle937 4 жыл бұрын
This was the most I ever cried in a tv episode. Poor Tom Branson has been through so much.
@professorbutters
@professorbutters 2 жыл бұрын
I know, right? They went through so many obstacles just to be together, and finally her family has accepted him and they’re having a baby, and then BOOM.
@hooraylaw
@hooraylaw 5 жыл бұрын
What really strikes me is how many men were making decisions about her. I get that only men were allowed to be doctors, but I’m really glad I have the benefit of women doctors now too.
@rowanaforrest9792
@rowanaforrest9792 5 жыл бұрын
I think it was accurate that in those days, the patriarch of the family or the husband (if they were not in the patriarch's home) had the most say about medical decisions. Downton Abbey really researched the details of how society worked in those times, for better and for worse. I love the whole series, and especially appreciate the historical and social accuracy. When I watch (or read) a historical drama, I want to know how the times really were, not how modern people wish it had been.
@sarahgreen3465
@sarahgreen3465 5 жыл бұрын
Rowana Forrest thanks Captain Obvious
@gray_mara
@gray_mara 5 жыл бұрын
There were women doctors at the time, even back in the 1880s, 40 years before this show is set but it is unlikely that a traditional male at the time would have allowed one to treat his daughter. The early female doctors worked very hard to receive the same respect as their male colleagues but in WW1 females physicians were forced to enlist as nurses as the armed services refused to accept them as doctors. By WW2 women were allowed to enlist as physicians.
@redmoon9650
@redmoon9650 5 жыл бұрын
C M C yeah but women doctors weren’t too common in England at the time.
@gray_mara
@gray_mara 5 жыл бұрын
@@redmoon9650 No, certainly not common.
@AG-mt3xs
@AG-mt3xs 5 жыл бұрын
I posted about the Call the Midwife triplet episode. It had a happy ending, but it was really intense. Could you possibly review that one? It was s1e6. Really great episode. That whole series is amazing.
@historymysteries4134
@historymysteries4134 5 жыл бұрын
Mama Doctor Jones Call the Midwife was based on Jennifer Worth (née Lee)’s memoirs so most of the stories in series 1-3 (especially those involving Jenny) are in fact based on true stories.
@gameXylinder
@gameXylinder 5 жыл бұрын
@@MamaDoctorJones There's another triplet episode, S8E1, which is a little bit different from the S1E6 one. If possible it would be interesting if you compared these two, which aspects of each are more or less realistic, and the various complications that occur!
@su-rv2uq
@su-rv2uq 5 жыл бұрын
The triplet one where the mother lived in filthy darkness, no power or heat, with not so much as a blanket, Chummy had to take off her dress to wrap the baby?
@myhighladyofthenightcourt
@myhighladyofthenightcourt 4 жыл бұрын
OMG yeah I'm rewatching call the midwife and I was so shocked at that episode
@myhighladyofthenightcourt
@myhighladyofthenightcourt 4 жыл бұрын
@@historymysteries4134 and some of those stories make me so upset cause it was based on true stories
@katrina5683
@katrina5683 5 жыл бұрын
I had preeclampsia a year ago, scary stuff but so thankful for all the knowledge we have now. Me and my baby came out OK
@fairholmka
@fairholmka 5 жыл бұрын
Glad you're ok!
@jennymunday7913
@jennymunday7913 5 жыл бұрын
I remember this episode. I started yelling at my tv when she complained about her head hurting and got increasingly irate as Sir Dr Self-Important kept dismissing Dr Crawford but I was still like.... they won't kill Sybil, she's a lovely person... :( My heart
@kaylag.9459
@kaylag.9459 5 жыл бұрын
Man, I love Downton Abbey. I've watched it straight through twice. This scene still breaks my heart. Thanks so much for reviewing it. I love how you explain everything so thoroughly.
@18thcenturyaddict10
@18thcenturyaddict10 5 жыл бұрын
only twice my parents had to ban me from it because I couldn't stop
@Kaeinlya
@Kaeinlya 5 жыл бұрын
I honestly think this is the best episode of the whole series. When I think the best acted moments for individuals they are all reacting to Sybil's death.
@dorisdaumann5914
@dorisdaumann5914 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kaeinlya I think this, too ... all actresses and actors played very very well - this hard scene is so true , so touching and believable !! I literally felt the tragic and pain of the scene ... 😢
@PetWessman
@PetWessman 5 жыл бұрын
I have watched through the entirety of Downton Abbey two or three times. I have re-watched this episode separately. I have watched a 12 minute review of this episode on KZfaq. Each time, I SOB like a HURT CHILD. So I think to myself "This is a review with some really good medical points speckled throughout. She's probably pausing the episode and talking about it like she did in the Call the Midwife video. I should be fine." Nope. As soon as Tom starts begging Sybil to stay with him, and Cora realises what's happening to her daughter, I'm a mess of tears and snot. The A+ acting aside, I TRULY appreciate the medical point of view. Not only to have it confirmed that the people who made the episode really did their research (not surprising, considering it's Downton), but also regarding the choosing your doctor, and the signs of someone who you wouldn't let tend to yourself or your family. Especially younger, more timid people might have a modern day equivalent of Sir Phillip, and end up avoiding their doctor because they make them uncomfortable, receive the wrong (or none at all) treatment for a condition, or not be taken seriously. To have the confirmation, even online, that a practicing physician would recommend they request a different doctor has the potential to be LIFE CHANGING to someone!
@thethrowawaythatstayed7055
@thethrowawaythatstayed7055 4 жыл бұрын
Petronella Wessman as soon as she said “my head” I lost it. Dear Sybil.
@SohiHien
@SohiHien 4 жыл бұрын
You should also review the episode with Cora being pregnant. She is quite old to be pregnant, especially for that time period.
@ravenID429
@ravenID429 Жыл бұрын
How old was she again?
@annaherdzik9257
@annaherdzik9257 Жыл бұрын
@@ravenID429 probably around 40. Cause her two daughters were already above 20 at that time
@ravenID429
@ravenID429 Жыл бұрын
@@annaherdzik9257 Oh yeah
@thetillerwiller4696
@thetillerwiller4696 11 ай бұрын
Eh, birth control wasn’t a thing so it makes sense that she could have gotten pregnant during that time period.
@SohiHien
@SohiHien 11 ай бұрын
@@thetillerwiller4696 It's not birth control that is the issue its age. She is rather old to have a child, people didn't live as long back then and she would have been going through menopause easy at that time. The concern of their Dr and everyone else is enough to support that older women getting pregnant was a rare thing.
@herbgurl82
@herbgurl82 5 жыл бұрын
My mom had toxemia with me, and I was born early. I never really understood just how dangerous it was, till I watched this episode. It really left me a little shaken and upset, to be honest..
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 5 жыл бұрын
Explains why so many women in that time period and before died from childbirth, they didn't understand the issues and didn't have access to the things needed in order to help, very sad indeed. I'm glad we've come such a long way in medicine now that we can save most women and babies. ♥
@mellie4174
@mellie4174 3 жыл бұрын
Well not entirely. They did know how to diagnose it through urine tests, they did know how to do c section (queen Elizabeth II the reigning queen was born by c section in 1920) and in the usa they were using magnesium for eclampsia. Mostly this was a political and class struggle between a local doctor and a doctor who had been knited (so aristocratic) from London.
@ItsMeCheryl1231
@ItsMeCheryl1231 5 жыл бұрын
Dr. Clarkson was the long time family Dr. The snobby Dr. was of a higher class, and the family wanted him because they thought he new it all. It's all a 'class' thing. Watch the series if you can. It really was good!
@artwriter76
@artwriter76 5 жыл бұрын
The family didn't want him. Robert wanted him because of the status he brought having Dr. Snobby deliver the baby.
@Kaeinlya
@Kaeinlya 5 жыл бұрын
There's another great episode of Call the Midwife where some man doctor thought he was infinitely superior to nurses and midwives breezes in and answers a frantic telephone call that leads to someone yanking out an entire uterus.
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 5 жыл бұрын
Ouch...ouch...my uterus hurts just thinking about that...
@scottw9318
@scottw9318 4 жыл бұрын
I saw that one. I have no idea what even having a uterus feels like and that on-screen yank almost made me vomit.
@jormunganfan
@jormunganfan 4 жыл бұрын
@@carlycrays2831 I think mine just recoiled further inside.
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 4 жыл бұрын
@@jormunganfan Run, little uterus! Run!
@NDCJ22
@NDCJ22 4 жыл бұрын
MDJ has a video on that episode now! I love Call the midwife so much, and that's one of my favorite episodes.
@baileybagot3342
@baileybagot3342 5 жыл бұрын
Geeeeezzzzzz. I freaking love Downton Abbey. I watched this episode about 2 weeks before I was diagnosed with preeclampsia myself. I’m so thankful for the advances in medicine and knowledge of preeclampsia since the 1920s. Thank you for reacting to this episode!!
@loorenaoliveeira
@loorenaoliveeira 5 жыл бұрын
LOVE THE ANXIOUS PSA! Also dont tell anyone everything will be OK cause you can’t guarantee that.
@that_auntceleste5848
@that_auntceleste5848 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Telling someone who is feeling Emotion X, "don't feel Emotion X" is generally neither compassionate not effective.
@bridgetburn7364
@bridgetburn7364 5 жыл бұрын
I had severe Pre eclampsia and HELLP syndrome with my first baby & haemorrhaged, lost 2 Litres of blood. It wasn’t nice but thank goodness for Morden medicine and wonderful doctors 🙌🏻
@suem6004
@suem6004 5 жыл бұрын
Bridget Burn HELLP syndrome survivor too.
@JeromeViolist
@JeromeViolist 5 жыл бұрын
It’s a little terrifying to know that everyone knows a woman who would have died in childbirth if not for modern medicine. If not for modern medicine, my mother would have died giving birth to me. My aunt would have died, my cousin, my grandma. I can’t imagine living in a time not too long ago when you just had to hope and pray that you or your loved one would survive.
@smiavsvs3677
@smiavsvs3677 5 жыл бұрын
@@JeromeViolist Yes, and a generation ago, every parent knew someone who'd almost died and/or lost someone to vaccine-preventable illnesses and now that they don't, people are opting out. So apparently preventable deaths are back in fashion. 😞It's worth pointing out that the fear of infection that everyone expressed when discussing taking her to a hospital is something that people should now worry about when considering a home birth. I'd love for the fashions from this era (minus the corsets, anyway) to come back into style, but it'd be great if we could not repeat the whole deaths due to a (this time around completely unnecessary) lack of medical care....
@gundegavasiljeva2671
@gundegavasiljeva2671 4 жыл бұрын
My sister in law died from HELLP syndrome. Next month will be year since it happened. Her son is now 11 month old. His birthday will be happy and devastating at the same time.
@LibraryLady929
@LibraryLady929 6 ай бұрын
My older son was born at 29 weeks in 2011 because of severe preeclampsia. Thank God I’d read spoilers before watching this episode because it was incredibly PTSD inducing. He was just over a year old adjusted age when this first aired and I had to watch it in segments. Her symptoms mirrored mine almost exactly-swelling, pain, a headache… I learned back around 2020 or so that the headache experienced in preeclampsia is a sign of brain swelling and is one of the last symptoms women can experience before having a stroke. The headache is excruciating, like a vice around your head. I was devastated that they killed off my favorite character this way, but grateful for the educational aspect. I’m glad you covered this and are talking about the condition I had. And I am extremely grateful that they aired that episode, even though it was super hard to watch!
@Pansyleia
@Pansyleia 2 жыл бұрын
Lady Sybil's death... traumatizing and devastating when it first aired and now again, with an ObGyn perspective. This is a drama series, but... how many women have died like this through history? RIP to all of those mothers that never got to see their children grow.
@mamaknight05
@mamaknight05 5 жыл бұрын
You have to watch the entire series, now! Love Downton Abbey! I never get into the foreign type shows on PBS but this is one I could watch over and over. Even have the intro song as my ringtone! I cry everytime I watch this episode. Lady Sybil is the most kind of the 3 sisters in the family, so you hate to see her killed off.
@SunflowerSpotlight
@SunflowerSpotlight 5 жыл бұрын
I watched most of it with my Mom (getting back into it with her) and her ringtone is the intro song! Her nickname from me is Lady, because if you think of a “lady,” she’s basically what pops into your mind! So it’s just so fitting on many levels. 😊
@meganwalheim6765
@meganwalheim6765 3 жыл бұрын
I just discovered this!!! I’m a huge Downton fan and was VERY invested in these characters. Depressing doesn’t even scratch the surface. I’ve seen this episode so many times and I still ugly-cried watching this. Sybil was the sweetest character on this show. 💔 Thank you for doing this episode (even though I’m a year late finding it)!
@patricia1320
@patricia1320 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you called out the doctor for telling the man to just not be anxious. I've heard this so many times and it always makes me feel worse, like you're doing something wrong by being anxious
@katemaloney4296
@katemaloney4296 3 жыл бұрын
My cousin suffered from pre-eclampsia with her first child. She told me everything that transpired from a couple weeks before delivery to her literally dying three times on the labour table and then being out of it for about four days afterwards. So, when this scene aired I was yelling at the screen, and my heart fell into my stomach. This episode hit real close to home.
@AmeliaEverythingBabyNames
@AmeliaEverythingBabyNames Жыл бұрын
This literally just happened to me 2 weeks ago. I was induced due to hypertension and it turned into pre-eclampsia during labor. I was on magnesium and it wasn't fun, but I'm alive and baby is doing well. I'm so grateful I live now.
@raraavis7782
@raraavis7782 5 жыл бұрын
‚A whole lot of people, living in a big house‘ sums up Downton Abby fairly well 😂 For a little background information: they got a fancy, renowned doctor from London and he and the family doctor disagreed on the severity of the symptoms. The family doctor could clearly see, how unusual Lady Sybil was acting, because he actually knew her since childhood. The other doctor, though a ‚famous expert‘, just saw another pregnant women, with complaints that he thought were a normal part of giving birth. Never thought, this was quite believable...because wouldn’t he have had cases like that before, as an experienced obstetrician? Although I guess, the proud, stubborn doctor with a god complex is a cliche for a reason (never had to deal with it myself, fortunately). In any case, Lady Sybil dying was such a bummer 😞
@bethgramkow7865
@bethgramkow7865 5 жыл бұрын
Did the baby die?
@raraavis7782
@raraavis7782 5 жыл бұрын
@@bethgramkow7865 Nope, baby was fine!
@kaleigh4081
@kaleigh4081 5 жыл бұрын
And the baby was named Sybil, which was so nice.
@mama2aaa1
@mama2aaa1 5 жыл бұрын
Rara Avis the fancy doctor was also aristocracy. Back then, those were the people that were listened to and followed above everyone else. Social status meant everything.
@raraavis7782
@raraavis7782 5 жыл бұрын
Laura Hamby Oh, for sure. Although there was much debate, among the family members. The Mother was all on the side of the family doctor, the father trusted the London guy more. And the poor husband (who used to be the *gasp* chauffeur and only got accepted into the family grudgingly), didn’t really know whom to believe either and had a hard time taking charge against the will of the parents anyway. Basically, everyone wanted to save sweet Sybil, but no one really know, what to do. Talk about tragic.
@beetee4865
@beetee4865 4 жыл бұрын
I love your PSA in there about not telling people "just don't be anxious!" I tell people all the time, "yeah, if it were that easy I would just do it!" *eye roll* So thank you for that. It applies in all things! And I agree--that other doctor is a complete jerk! I've never seen the show, but yikeys. I would never want a doctor like that. Humility is definitely important in everything!
@noricoco4695
@noricoco4695 5 жыл бұрын
This actually helped a lot in assuaging my fears about labor and delivery. Thanks for taking the time to explain treatment of conditions like Pre-eclampsia. It's honestly difficult to find an OBGYN that isn't totally dismissive of FTM fears, like a family history of extreme tearing and c-section risks, etc.
@keelanmorningstar7800
@keelanmorningstar7800 4 жыл бұрын
I rarely and I mean RARELY cry at scenes and I’m almost tearing up watching this, god that death scene was so well done.
@cathnz9726
@cathnz9726 Жыл бұрын
God, I haven't watched Downton in years, but this brought it all back. My flatmates and I sobbed away in this episode!
@HeatherBop2011
@HeatherBop2011 5 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I found this! That Sir Phillip is supposed to be a “specialist,” I assume a 1920’s OB/GYN. He has an incredible ego. It was such a hard episode to watch!
@karagrisham914
@karagrisham914 5 жыл бұрын
I watched this show and she was one of my favorite characters. I cried like a baby, and was so furious at that other doctor. I love watching your videos and it's amazing to see how much you truly care and love your job!
@jesusdenmark3664
@jesusdenmark3664 5 жыл бұрын
4:26 My father always says "I guess we just have to hurry up and wait."
@amvanderveen5189
@amvanderveen5189 5 жыл бұрын
Ayyy this even now chokes me up. You can see by the comments she was a beloved character, but let me also give you an in-universe example of how loved she was: In the series, there's a footman/underbutler named Thomas who, especially in the first series#, was a cold hearted b*stard who took pleasure in little cruelties to the staff below him and was generally aloof and uncaring to the people around him, including most of his employers. When the butler and head housekeeper told the staff what had happened to Lady Sybil, Thomas ran off bawling his eyes out. # He got better
@helendavies1326
@helendavies1326 5 жыл бұрын
My favourite was Mary and Edith talking and one of them saying Sybil was the only person who thought they were good people
@DellaStreet123
@DellaStreet123 4 жыл бұрын
Thomas didn't know himself why he was crying about Sybil's death, he told Anna if he had died, Sybil wouldn't have cared. Anna then said that he knows himself that it's not true. Servants were used to being considered expendable, and everybody downstairs disliked Thomas, for obvious reasons. But Sybil believed in the good in him, which actually existed, under a thick layer of nastiness. Many years later, Miss Baxter brought out the good in him. Her predecessor, on the other hand, was quite the opposite. Miss O'Brien and Thomas brought out the worst in each other.
@joeypotter6051
@joeypotter6051 4 жыл бұрын
It was Tom's reaction to Sybil's death that REALLY broke me. That poor man. I loved their relationship, as cheesy as it was, and just loved him.
@lindathehermit8053
@lindathehermit8053 4 жыл бұрын
I've just started watching your channel, and although I am post menopausal, I find you really great to watch. You are everything someone wants in a doctor. You're caring, compassionate, humble, and you try to make sure you know your stuff. Wishing you all the best.
@themisha1705
@themisha1705 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to learn this was accurate. I love how this show captures the time period so realistically and I was worried this would ruin it. BUT ALSO OH CRAP THIS WAS SO SAD WHY DID I ELECT TO WATCH IT AGAIN
@JulietteTsvigun
@JulietteTsvigun 5 жыл бұрын
One of the best pieces of TV series that were ever made. Brilliant writing and brilliant acting. Hats off!
@carolyngambling628
@carolyngambling628 5 жыл бұрын
It would be very interesting if you could review historical royal births especially in the British royal family all the way back to the Tudor period.
@DT-ub6ud
@DT-ub6ud 5 жыл бұрын
This would be amazing
@SunflowerSpotlight
@SunflowerSpotlight 5 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah that would be interesting! It appears Anne Boleyn, one of Henry VIII’s wives may have not just had a miscarriage, but that the baby was going to have spina bifida. They took this as a sign that the mother was a witch and in league with the devil. Whether that specific fetus had it or if they’d seen it before and misattributed it to that baby isn’t known for sure, anything to help slander her name to make it easier to get rid of her. But the general mentality of pregnancy back then, and the woman needing to “be churched,” afterward, the spectator’s sport of viewing the births in various countries, to make sure someone doesn’t swap a girl with someone else’s boy to sneak an heir into the line, that kind of thing would be interesting to go into. Also various practices that either made it more or less difficult would be cool to see.
@joyceneville3655
@joyceneville3655 5 жыл бұрын
So the evidence and historical record does not support the spina bifida baby that Philipa Gregory presents in the novel “the other Boleyn girl” the two theories that do hold water, at the distance of almost 500 years, is either that Anne Boleyn was Rh- or that Henry carried Kells protein. Both would have resulted in one healthy pregnancy followed by losses. The second support for it being Kells was that Katherine of Aragon had an equally tragic obstetric history. The catch being that she had a couple neonatal loses before having Princess Mary, but she did have more losses after that. Jane Seymour has only one pregnancy and then she lost her life to childbed fever, so no clues there, after that, none of his wives conceived because he was in failing health.
@SunflowerSpotlight
@SunflowerSpotlight 5 жыл бұрын
Joyce Neville Oh, I remember hearing about that book! I think it’s in my Audible cart. I don’t love the whole... lovey dovey and sexy times genres so it never made it to the top of my list. Is that part of what they were basing their argument on I wonder? Hm. I so wish I could somehow go back in time to inform Henry that the sex of the baby is decided from the man’s contribution and to stop killing and divorcing wives over it; it’s not their fault he’s more likely to have better female-potential swimmers. 🤷🏻‍♀️ And then smack him. The Kells idea is interesting, because for so many of his wives to have similar issues, it seems like a bit more than bad luck is going on. For each woman to have various conditions leading to many miscarriages seems less likely than something going on on his side. I do wonder what the consensus is about his last wife Jane, if he really was pondering divorcing or killing or disappearing her because she was failing also. What does one do in that situation? It’d be so risky to get pregnant via someone else, if he was even capable of sex enough to make it possible to carry on the charade. But if he might kill you or divorce you if you don’t have kids, that’s also risky. It truly must have been terrible to have his gaze fall on you, it’s a lose lose. Best for it to be a fling and not a marriage, so you can escape an even more dangerous situation. Hmm. I just thought. How does Henry Fitzroy fit into the Kells theory? Unless it’s possible he wasn’t his son after all? It’s so shameful that he put him above Mary, even having him in the suites for the Prince of Wales for Christmas, despite his status, all because he was a boy.
@joyceneville3655
@joyceneville3655 5 жыл бұрын
Amara Jordan I’m something of a Tudor nut, so bear with me here, Henry Fitzroy was the son of Elizabeth Blount, it was her first pregnancy with Henry, so if it was Kells that was to be expected. Historians think that Mary Boleyn only had one child of Henry’s, Katherine Carey, that Henry Carey was her husband William’s son. After Jane Seymour, the next wife was Anne of Cleaves and that marriage didn’t last. No children were born. Katherine Howard was way too young and possibly too frivolous, she may not have been virgin and my have had a precontract. To marry someone else. It’s possible that by then Henry’s advancing illness made sex difficult or impossible for him. So if Katherine Howard had an affair with Thomas Culpepper that would easily sign her death warrant. The last Katherine, Katherine Parr was more a companion than a lover and she was also a serious scholar in her own right and she and Henry would have religious debates. Apparently she had enemies because charges were drawn up against her, as the story goes a page was dropped in a corridor and someone brought it to Katherine before she was arrested and in enough time for her to plead her way out of it with Henry. She had been married twice before to older men and she was also in love with Thomas Seymour. She married him shortly after Henry died. She too would loose her life to childbed fever. In total Henry was married 6 times, he only had children with the first three. He had children by two known mistresses and possibly more. But they were only one off, so no chance for remote observers like us to see a blood incompatibility pattern to appear. Phillips Gergory sates that her books are fictional accounts based around real events. She plays a lot with timeline and they are not really romance novels, the sex is low key and inferred, with few graphic descriptions. .
@mischamccarthy5887
@mischamccarthy5887 5 жыл бұрын
Sybil was always my most favourite character on the show!! I was so upset when she died. And then Mathew a few episodes later 😢😭😭
@feelingcrafty
@feelingcrafty 5 жыл бұрын
That episode was gut-wrenching and so sad. Especially because Sybil was also such a badass and an amazing character. Her death really took everyone by surprise.
@catedunk5749
@catedunk5749 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched that episode maybe four times and this scene still makes me tear up. So sad and great acting, especially Tom and Cora.
@meliana751
@meliana751 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reaction This episode affected me greatly when I watched it, as I also had an eclamptic fit after the birth of my daughter, in my case there was no protein in my urine so the doctors weren't sure it was pre-eclampsia during the birth. I have found out since that it can happen that there is no protein. I had the swelling and high blood pressure though. I'm so grateful I was in a modern-day hospital, and a team of people were instantly there to take care of me.
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad too!!!
@kestatann
@kestatann 5 жыл бұрын
I have never watched Downton Abbey either, but I just finished reading "Kid Gloves" by Lucy Knisley (a graphic novel memoir about her pregnancy experience), and she made mention of this episode. So happy to have stumbled onto your channel and this video right after reading it. Though she was not a medical person, when she started having symptoms, seeing this on TV made her wonder if she might have the condition (and it turned out she did), so I'm really glad there are more representations of pregnant people and birth on TV, even if dramatized. I'm also really enjoying your videos and I'm learning a lot. Pregnancy and birth have always fascinated me.
@MizBryteEyez
@MizBryteEyez 5 жыл бұрын
I am so glad you said "If we don't mesh that's ok". My doctor recently retired. I was not proactive enough to transition to begin seeing the other doctor in his practice. Subsequently, I thought I had bronchitis (yeah, I know. Not OB/GYN topic). I saw the only doctor in the clinic that had an open appointment. After talking to me a bit he said "Thank you for choosing me as your primary care physician." I respectfully said, "with all due respect, I haven't quite made up my mind yet." My bestfriend could not believe I had the guts to say that. I also have a birth defect Neurofibromatosis 1 (NF1), I am a left TK (through the knee or knee disarticulant), I have scoliosis, and hip dysplasia. After seeing me stand his whole focus was on my hips. NOT WHY I WAS SEEING HIM THAT DAY. I politely asked that he discuss the concern I had came to the office to address. (I frequently get bronchitis- *non-smoker BTW). It ended up being allergies. So now I am looking for a new doctor again. I would have been fine if he had asked me if I would visit with him to learn about my history. I am sure I have a massive file. Neurofibromatosis is not that commonly known. NF1 is the most common neurofibromatosis, occurring in 1 in 3,000 to 4,000 individuals in the United States
@starlightkisu
@starlightkisu 5 жыл бұрын
I'm so Bawling i've watch DTA 4 times now straight through and this kills me everytime... can't wait for the movie I'm so excited.
@starlightkisu
@starlightkisu 5 жыл бұрын
Lady Grantham gave Robert a what for and didn't talk to him for a while...
@sarahperrin5980
@sarahperrin5980 5 жыл бұрын
I’m so excited for the movie too!
@lizjordan9830
@lizjordan9830 5 жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one who watches this show over and over again
@buttahp
@buttahp 4 жыл бұрын
The movie is so fun!
@mlw1700
@mlw1700 5 жыл бұрын
"A watched pot never boils."
@NomadicSheep01
@NomadicSheep01 4 жыл бұрын
New sub!!! Your explanations are so easy to understand and fun to follow along with. KZfaq ought to shame themselves for not monitizing these videos. Women's health is not an under the table discussion and needs more attention. Thanks Doc🙏❤️ love from Cape Town, South Africa
@carololson7159
@carololson7159 4 жыл бұрын
I totally relate to all the comments, especially from women who have had pre-eclampsia. My mother had it with me, I was born 3 weeks early and she was advised she couldn’t nurse because she had had toxemia (this was 1946). I ended up with pre-eclampsia with my first, was hospitalized and ended up delivering a month early, with crazy scary blood-pressure. My son is fine, but I have suffered from hypertension ever since (despite not having any of the “classic” high blood pressure hallmarks, I am a non-smoker, exerciser, slim, light drinker, healthy eater my whole life). I cried at Sybil’s death, realizing how fortunate I and my son were.
@oxyjen11
@oxyjen11 5 жыл бұрын
You could watch ER - Love's Labor Lost (S1E19) next, to keep the Eclampsia-theme going. (that'd be a weird thing to say normally...) It might be interesting to go through all the different time periods and see how they treated it then!
@Darienlover999
@Darienlover999 5 жыл бұрын
Yes! It's one of my favorite episodes.
@eliscanfield3913
@eliscanfield3913 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I had my baby through the more common exit, with a ton of magnesium. My upper bp number hit 200. Not good. Fortunately, my boy and I are fine.
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 5 жыл бұрын
That would be scary! My upper BP hardly ever reaches 120, let alone "high" numbers!
@scottw9318
@scottw9318 4 жыл бұрын
As a man with no kids, I never thought I would learn (or care to learn) so much about childbirth. You make it accessible, (and entertaining) for everyone. You'd be a fantastic teacher, if you're not already. I can already educate people about pre-eclampsia and eclampsia now. At least somewhat.
@AlexandraBondArt
@AlexandraBondArt 10 ай бұрын
I had gestational hypertension and then preeclampsia when I went into early labor. I had seen this episode a couple years prior and was afraid of dying this way, so when the nurse held my hand as they put me on a drip of magnesium sulfate I asked her, "Please don't let me die like the hot sister in Downton Abbey." to grimly lighten the mood. The 24 hr treatment, in which my water intake had to be tightly controlled, made me feel like crap and I fantasized about gulping down ice water. I had to go back to the ER twice after that for the preeclampsia coming back (it can happen for the 6 wks of recovery). I stared death in the face and survived, and my baby and I are thriving.
@juliana22
@juliana22 5 жыл бұрын
Downton Abbey is my favorite show, this was hard to watch because I love Sybil. :( Poor Branson.
@sophiepalmer-doran344
@sophiepalmer-doran344 5 жыл бұрын
for back round / intro to downton abbey This historical drama follows the lives of the Crawley family and their servants in the family's Edwardian country house. The programme begins with the 1912 sinking of the Titanic, which leaves Downton Abbey's future in jeopardy, as Lord Grantham's presumptive heir -- his cousin James -- and his son, Patrick, die aboard the ship, leaving him without a male offspring to take over the throne upon his death. As a result, Lord Grantham must search for a new heir. As the programme progresses through the decade, other historical events happen leading up to Lord Grantham declaring in 1914 that Britain is at war with Germany, marking the beginning of World War I, which becomes a major plot on the programme.
@d.f.p3960
@d.f.p3960 3 жыл бұрын
Mama Dr. Jones, Thank God for modern medicine and Doctors like you. Starting 41 years ago: I am one of five siblings. My mother suffered with preeclampsia and a dry birth with me,. She didn't clarify, but said she could have died with my sister. (I know a transfusion was involved) My next brother was premature, and the next was butt-first breech. Only my youngest sister was born without complication. Thank you modern medicine. BTW, I love your channel. Please keep it coming !
@jelle3248
@jelle3248 5 жыл бұрын
They did you dirty, making you watch this episode. My friends and I a ll bawled our eyes out when this first aired.
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