DID YOU ENJOY THIS VIDEO? :) Why not support my work on Patreon at; www.patreon.com/oceanlinerdesigns OR join as a KZfaq member for cool badges and emojis!; kzfaq.info/love/sE8PTncfn2Vga48jH46HnQjoin Supporters on Patreon and KZfaq enjoy perks like early access and behind the scenes and bloopers! ▶MORE OCEANLINER DESIGNS; 5 TERRIFYING Rogue Wave Encounters: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bNuGaaiYlbTIng.html 5 Ship Design Fails: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h9l7gbp22NOYomw.html How Did They Steer the Titanic?: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ecCVYMip2pi2cok.html

The cruise ships of today are undoubtedly more luxurious, but they’ll never match up with the sheer elegant beauty of the golden age ocean liners.

Even the Fact that Old Ocean Liners dont had the Luxury then we are used now, the Old Liners just had much more Style. The Modern ones just look like Floating Boxes

Old oceanliners that were converted to cruise ships or operating both have something that cruise ships don't have. Luxury and glamour. From their exterior to interior. Cruise ships now, look more like floating apartment blocks. Sure it has amenities that oceanliners didn't but the vibe that cruise ships can't be compared to oceanliners in terms of cruising in style.

I would love to merge the old ocean liners aesthetic with modern building techniques and safety features. Today's cruise ship behemoths have all the aesthetic appeal of an Apple Store.

Five days steaming over the Atlantic with nothing to do but reading, writing, chatting with people and the occasional dip in the indoor pools😳 sounds so chill 👌

There's just something esthetically pleasing about an oceanliner.

It's quite amazing how far planes went in such a short time. When you think that they went from balsa wood biplanes to the Concorde in a less than a human lifetime. My grandparents travelled to Australia in the 50s, took weeks. You can do it now and barely have time to watch all of LOTR.

Holy moly, Mike has legs! In all seriousness though, I like these on location visits. They’re a nice mix to the normal routine of things. Keep up the great work and congrats on 100K!

Modern cruise ships are basically floating amusement parks, while on the liners you made your own fun. Call me crazy, but if Stathaird was still in service I'd book a cruise on her, with some convivial company for dancing and dinner it could be just as much fun.

Mike, as an ex Norweigan Crew member I'd love to see you do a video on either their history or even specifically, the once named Pride of Hawaii (now named the Norweigan Jade). She was my old ship and I had an amazing six months sailing on her.

I miss the early Edwardian Style of Ocean Liners and Ships. They looked simple but elegant and grand, unlike modern Ships that are just flats and roll really easily because of the amount of floors they have. They've lost their touch...

The Strathaird was still in service when I worked at P&O in the 50's. I've been fortunate to visit almost every P&O ship that visited Australia ship since 1952 when at the age of 10, I was given a VIP visitor's pass. Both the Stathaird and Strathnaver had two funnels removed around that time to make them look more elegant. I still have hundreds of Brownie Box Camera photos and negatives of the ships I visited at the time. If I live long enough, I'll publish them on the Internet.

I'm weird. Even with all of the cool stuff on modern ships, I would personally prefer a cruise on one of the grand old liners. Less crowded and more relaxed seemingly. If I were to spend the money to be on a ship I want to feel like I'm on a ship. Not a floating resort that has a land based counterpart I could book for way cheaper. Again, I'm weird though. If I'm going to be on the ocean, it's going to be for the ocean not the waterslides. lol

Great video Mike. As a marine navigator our job have not changed much from the time of the Stratharid, yes we have radar (You mentioned about the radars being able to detect objects up to 72 nautical miles. While they might be able to the information they display might not be 100% accurate) and AIS and we use ECIDs along with paper charges. But we always have someone act as a lookout. Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision.

Excellent video as always! :) I love how you focus on these lesser known ships and bring attention to them, before I found your channel I had never heard of pretty much any Australian ships, but now I do. And I am very happy for that because Strathnaver and her fellow P&O ships are gorgeous :)

When my wife and I visited Los Angeles in 2013, we booked a couple of nights on the Queen Mary. Our room wasn’t ready when arrived so the woman at reception gave us the Windsor Suite. Once we settled in, we realised it was the suite of rooms - with bathrooms and maids quarters - the Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson travelled in when crossing the Atlantic. It felt luxurious in 2013, so it would have been the absolute height of luxury back then. A great experience. Thanks for the videos.

My father is a welding engineer who works for the Fincantieri corporation ... It made me very proud to see one of the ships he also contributed at, to be featured as a main subject of modern craftsmanship .... Have a great day 😁

Very nice, thank you. There was another reason why ships were painted black, back then. When they bunkered coal, a lot of dust would make the ship look dirty, if painted white, so it did not become commonplace until the use of oil was introduced.

Matson Navigation Company, a US flag carrier headquartered in San Francisco, also painted their passenger/cruise ships white back in the 1930's. The SS Lurline is a beloved passenger ship name in Honolulu. So are the SS Mariposa and SS Monterey. I sailed Third Engineer on the SS Mariposa back in the 1970's. That ship was halfway between the two ships featured in this video. Although powered by steam turbines, she only needed two boilers. She had all the modern radio and Loran navigation equiptment. Therefore there was no problem navigating in reduced visibility. Of course it was an all welded design and there were large suites aboard for those who could afford them. These ships are long gone but certainly not forgotten. Matson Lines only runs cargo ships anymore. I commend P&O Lines for continuing to operate passenger/cruise ships. I wish then the best.

Slightly off topic, but some people may be unaware that P&O were in the process of taking over the cross-channel (England to mainland Europe) ferry company Townsend Thoresen back in 1987 when one of their ferries - Herald of Free Enterprise - left the port of Zeebrugge with the bow door open. It quickly sank in relatively shallow but very cold water and cost the lives of 193 people.

I’d definitely be interested in the 1932 style amenities over today’s. I have many friends who are fans of cruises and every time I see their pictures and descriptions, I wonder why they’d do that. I love the ocean and want to experience that, not gamble or watch concerts or sit at bars or whatever.

I stood there 35 years with a nice Christmas sunburn from Bondi beach. Best trip of a lifetime as my father created the itinerary because he's a Kiwi. Planes, trains and automobiles but the ferries and water taxi hydrofoils were the star of transportation I'll never forget. People there are so incredibly nice. You're a perfect example of that and who I try to be. ✌️ I can't believe I forgot to mention that I got to climb a step ladder inside the cylinder of a ship's engine and try scraping the ridge left by the piston and carbon deposits that my uncle was rebuilding through his industrial machine shop. At some work stations pistons were used as stools to sit on. I didn't want to go back to the US because of that and my other uncle that owned a dismantling yard in Auckland.

Great video, though I personally dislike all ships that have more decks in the superstructure than in the hull. It's also worth noting that cruise ships are less durable than ocean liners, for example the Vista class has a tendency to twist along it's axis. And frankly, cruise ships are more of a luxury resort that just happens to float than a ship that's going anywhere, you put it in a dock and cement it and you've got a hotel.

Years ago, I enjoyed going on several cruises, but today's vessels with 15 or more decks, looks top-heavy to me and I'm not certain I would enjoy being on a ship with 4,000+ people!

In 1990 and 1991 I was on the TSS Fairstar and docked there several times. The Fairstar was the ex-Oxfordshire which was built a mere 23 years after the SS Strathaird. Coming straight from the MV Crown Princess, by then, the Fairstar was a really old and outdated ship. Good memories though. Thank you for your videos.

This is a great overview of the contrast between the ocean liners (going cruising), and a purpose built cruise ship.

Hearing the numbers of the modern cruise ship made me realize just how absolutely insane some of the older liners were. At 109.000 tones this cruise ship puts out 85.000 horsepower. Witch sounds impressive. Until you realize that the SS. United states at less than half that tonnage, put out 240.000!!! Horsepower! No wonder she was the speed demon that she was! Not to mention how beutiful those old liners were compared to That....... Thing.

The quality of this videos are out of this world

FUN FACT: I sailed on MONARCH OF THE SEAS (Royal Caribbean) in 2007 from Los Angeles (Long Beach) to Ensenada Mexico and back, it was a really fun time. The ship was big, the biggest I've ever been on, the only cruise ship I've been on - Ive been on other ships, lived on one in fact - The entire trip was just a blast, however, I never knew till after that the ship was involved in a disaster long before I ever set foot on it. Unfortunately, the ship is tied to another tragedy, specifically on my trip in 2007 October. There were two large wedding parties on the ship, one of them from Utah, I believe an LDS group, about 500 total people, the other wedding party was like the drunks of the ship, also about 500 people or so. This is what we were told by various people we met. One of those people was Eric Hill, who I and my group of friends met. We thought he had just the most beautiful face and charisma, every time we saw him across the ship we just kept saying, "He's the most beautiful person on the ship, he has "IT" quality, he's gonna be someone someday." So at the end of the voyage, we ended up randomly running into him, and actually started a conversaition and told him what we thought of him and he posed in a photo with my friend. Just the most sweet man you'd ever meet really. Years later he ended up being kinda big in the extreme sports world and he ended up passing away from some freak accident. By this point I hadn't spoken to the group I traveled with for a few years (we all moved from the same jobs to different places and could never really connect much), but I reached out to my friend in the photo and let her know of his passing and she ended up coming to meet me and we had a little cry about it but also were glad we met him and ALWAYS will remember him and his killer smile. So yeah, Monarch of the Seas was the only cruise I've been on in my life, and it was quite the memory of both joy and later sadless.

Just imagine what passengers would have thought if a modern liner pulled up to port in 1932...

*Give the Star Princess back please I liked her as the Star*

Mike, (great name btw) your content is some of the most interesting, informative, and fun that I've ever seen on KZfaq. I've been an oceanliner nerd since age 8 and I'm consistently blown away that I keep learning new things with every video you've put out ever since I discovered your channel. High praise perhaps but extremely well deserved, awesome job man!

Absolutely love this video. It's difficult to grasp what the differences are between cruiseliners and oceanliners. How they handle, how they are appointed (the cruiseliners are like small cities). Love both of them.

I missed the era when cruise ship displacing in excess of 100,000 tonnes where less common. Unlike now with new generation Mega Ship control largely by Three cruise companies (Carnival, Royal Caribbean and Norwegian Cruise Line), the british P&O Cruises had there own design philosophy with the Oriena (1995) and Aurora (2000) displacing between 69,153 to 76,152 tons I wish there would be more new cruise ship displacing between 75,000 to 90,000 tons and someday P&O Australia had there own design philosophy and given opportunity to acquire a new cruise ship.

My great aunt and uncle took the Strath liners to and from the UK in '38 and '39. Her diary describes quite amazing passenger-run entertainment some of which you described, but she adds things like quiz nights, and weird pseudo athletic games; 3 legged races, races involving one of a couple being blind folded (!), amateur dramatics. Very different to the organised entertainment today.

That flybridge thingy at the stern on Pacific Encounter. It's just reminding me of those tacky, oversized wings people used to put on their cars back in the 2000s. A cruise ship that looks like a giant floating mk6 Honda Civic, I don't know...

What a cool channel. Beats any mainstream "learning" - type channel. Learning so much.

We love to see it!

Your production.. Attention to Detail, writing and flow. Great work and dedication come with passion and you can feel your passion through your writing. Keep at it, cheers.

Mr Breidy (I am not sure about the spelling). Firstly I would like to congratulate your job and effort to make this channel and presentations. As far as now I have enjoyed all of what I have seen. Only one comment. The M/V "Pacific Encounter" is not a diesel propulsion vessel but a diesel-electric one. Similar to S/S "Strathaird" with the major difference the use of High Voltage AC as main at the first and DC at the later.

Thank you Mike. Someone finally explained cruise ships vs ocean liners in a simple easy manner

0:50 For one, older ships didn't have a convenient carrying handle, like the M/V Pacific Encounter and her sisters in the Grand-class. Very handy for those repositioning cruises.

The sights of mike under the Sidney Harbor bridge look straight from the love boat. Fitting that the show took place on a p&o ship while we’re discussing p&o ships.

Great video, Mike. You should get out more! How about a video about the interface between ships and their harbors -- what happens between sailings, how ships are fueled, stock with perishables, refitted between sailings, etc.

The old way for me, please. Well done and thanks again Mike, your videos are fantastic.

We came to Australia on the Strathaird in 1957 as immigrants. I still have memories of the cruise I was 7, now 72.

2:14 That horn you just heard actually belonged to the 1004 foot Great Lakes Freighter, M/V James R Barker. That was it's a dual salute. Meaning it has a horn at its bow and horn at its stern, playing at the same time. I know this because I live in Michigan. They are like Titanics of the Great Lakes to us over here in Michigan, Upper Peninsula and Lower Peninsula.

Great video, Mike. BTW, I was always taught the difference between a Cruise ship and an Ocean Liner was one was built to deal with the severity of the north Atlantic waters, and the other was built for the calm Caribbean seas.

While it's impressive how versatile modern cruise ships are, I have to say that I'm not a huge fan, simply because they're so HUGE. This is a personal preference but I feel like it makes them inaccessible and confusing (and I guess I don't like people that much lol) I go hiking in the Finnish western archipelago a lot, directly along the ferry routes, and it's so incredible how BIG these ships are. Then again it's an incredible sight seeing these behemoths sail by. (Many of the ferries are repurposed cruise ships, though somewhat smaller than the Pacific Encounter.)

Would you think about doing a video about the difference between Atlantic liners and Pacific liners (if there is much difference)? Aside from when you talk about them I never here anything about ocean liners in the Pacific.

Well, I prefer smaller ships. I never would book a cruise on such a mass-people-ship.

They old liners were ships. Luxurious yes, but still ships. Built as such, sailed as such. And you could feel it too. From the design, the decks, the port stay (which could take days), the port activities. The modern ones are just floating hotels. You can't tell a difference from a seaside ultra-luxurious hotel from a ship anymore. So enclosed in it's own micro-cosmos. Even the port stay is a rushed, lunch-box takeaway experience with almost zero interraction with the local destinations. But hey, if it sells...

I've learned SOOOOOO much about ships thanks to you, Mike. I love you and your videos. Do a video on the Edmund Fitzgerald, I want to learn about the ship's entire history.

Another great video Mike! Top notch quality. Very cool to see Sydney Harbor which is quite literally half a world away from me. I really appreciate the enthusiasm and kindness you bring to your videos.

It's not accurate to say the "the whole ship is effectively first class" (at 7:37) when discussing Pacific Encounter. While all cruise ships today are one class, that class is not always "first class." Some luxury cruise lines do have ships that are "all first class" (e.g., Regent, Silversea) but P&O is a mass-market or at best premium cruise line and the passenger experience is not comparable to first class on a classic ocean liner, or the experience on a modern luxury cruise line. That's not to slight P&O, or any other cruise line, it is just to accurately describe the business model they have chosen to follow. There are still "three classes at sea," it's just that the classes are divided by ship and not deck; for example, Regent is first class; Celebrity is second class (or, if it is more palatable, "premium economy"), and Carnival is third class (or, perhaps, "basic economy" in order to sound more democratic). That's just a more accurate way to describe the modern cruise industry.

I work in one of the office buildings behind Circular Quay, regularly get photos of Cruise ships and even one of QE.

Another excellent fact filled presentation. Enjoyed the comparison of then and now. Mike you are always a welcome addition to my day when your video pops up.

Awesome vid dude!! The old P&O liners were beautiful indeed...and its awesome that the cruise ships are carrying on the traditions and looks of their older counterparts. Keep up the awesome work!!

Mike....fabulous video....ships are in your blood!!!!!!😃😇😋 Thank you for all you bring to us!

I actually really love how modern cruise ships look but for me, they really fall apart at the stern where a lot of them just end or take a nose dive straight to the sea. I feel that if more ships brought back the cruiser stern with entertainment spaces on it or compromised with something like the Carthage stern they would be absolutely stunning.

Loved this, Mike! While I love the lines and classic style of the old liners, I appreciate the amenities of modern cruise shops too. I’m sure P&O customers will enjoy Pacific Encounter, and I’d be thrilled to sail on her again, having been a very happy Star Princess passenger several years ago.

Thanks Mike, your content is simply amazing as always. Hope you are well. I’m also still chuckling about the Edwardian OF from your live broadcast, it’s added a new twist to your channel (bet you thought we’d forgotten) 😂 Keep these coming, they brighten my day and are hugely appreciated 👍 Brilliant 👍

For some reason this video isn't popping up in the Videos section of your channel, so I had to use the search bar to find it. Not sure what's wrong there but maybe get that checked out some time. Anyway, this is by far your best presentation yet. And I mean a huge, massive, seemingly overnight improvement, just as Pacific Encounter is to Strathaird. It made for an even more engaging experience than ever before, so a fantastic job well done, Mike. :D It's incredible to look back at the past century and see how much technology has changed since then. Historically speaking, the 1920s/1930s really weren't that long ago. People truly are maintaining that same historical significance with the continued thriving of companies like P&O today.

This is amazing my new favourite channel insane to see how much ships have changed overtime keep up the good work Mike looking forward to the next video :D

Great video Mike. I'll be on the Adventure in January for the AO cruise, and will appreciate it more after your informative presentation.

I love seeing the differences between then and now! It’s just fascinating how far ship design has come. Since old vs new was pretty much covered in this video there might not be much more to show, but I’d also love to see the Queen Mary 2 compared with the Queen Mary. They’re totally different ships for different purposes, but I think learning more of the Queen Mary’s “sequel” ship and what Cunard is now would be super interesting

Always a joy… wonderful level of detail and genuine appreciation of the importance of presenting the historical context when comparing two such fantastic ships. Thanks

I'd be really interested to see a video on the migrant ships of the Ten Pound Pom era. My mum, uncle and grandparents came out on the Orion in the 1950s. We've still some momentos from the voyage but it'd be lovely to see something on the ships themselves and the experiences of others on board.

The fact that the Pacific Encounter still flys the same flag like the Strathed did is incredible

Although new ships are superior in almost every conceivable way, my personal opinion is that the older ships were so much more beautiful in terms of general shape.

Fantastic video! I really hope that our friend Mike Brady gets a free cruise for his awesome promotion of the modern P&O ships.

Another great video, Mr. Brady! Realizing the high rate of mortality at sea during the early days of long-distance sailing, it astounds me how many great men and women made long voyages numerous times and lived to old age. Franklin and Adams come to mind. Anyway, I digress! Happy Holidays, Mike!

That was awesome Mike. Nice comparison. Time to show us Pacific Princess, The Love Boat

I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve walked across the Harbour Bridge so thanks for opening the video there. 🐨🇦🇺

Well done! Haven’t heard much about the earlier liners from down under side of the world. Excellent subject matter

Great work Mike, thanks for the insightul vid!

I do so enjoy your videos! So informative, pleasant, enjoyable...and compelling! I'm so pleased that I found your page! Thank you. Keep doing what you're doing

Love your videos. Funny story I first discovered your website when I purchased a 1:200 profile of Titanic. If you remember you sent me a slightly smaller version of Olympic too 😊 Shortly after that I found your Channel and realised your love for Ocean Liners went far beyond just a business venture. Now to watch a video of you covering Pacific Encounter- a ship I recently sailed on in October just feels like somethings come full circle. Quick side note- the Grand Suite on Encounter is a lot larger than what's shown in this video. I believe what the cruise and travel guy filmed is a penthouse suite. We had the Grand Suite in October and I have to say it's the first Suite I've been in that kind of gave me that "Titanic" vibe. This is not a plug but I've got a video of the room if you'd like to use the footage in a future video comparing the large suites of the past to modern day. Have an awesome day bud and hope to catch ya on a cruise some day.

Congratulations Mike, your videos get more and more professional all the while. This was particularly fascinating, the turbo-electric drive system also allows the engines to run at constant optimum revs of course.

Loved this! Thanks for posting! ✌🏻😉✌🏻

I’d love to see a video on the design of the Prometheus and Kerberos, the fictional ocean liners in 1899 (Netflix show)!!

Nautical, and maritime stuff from history, present time, to future, love it! Games too for that matter.

I didn't realize Mike was Australian, one would think the accent would be a clear give away, but i mistook it for a British accent until i saw his location on the channel's description page.

I really enjoy your videos, Mike. And I am happy that your talent and passion for ship design has paid off for you. I would have no idea how to approach such a career, so I envy you -- in a good way! Best of all to you and yours, keep up the good work, mate.

I love these videos, scholar-Ship and presenter-Ship combined with charm and wonderful archive resource. Keep on with the Ships, a total delight! JXC

This channel is a gem and what makes KZfaq special. Thank you Mike!

Another Smashing video....super informative

Very happy to say my first sea voyage was Strathnaver from Sydney to Tilbury, 1962, her final voyage. I still have the small circular life buoys souvenirs, marked with voyage details. Thanks for your great videos.

I enjoyed today's field trip. Thanks Mike!

Excellent video as always, thanks Mike!

Nice comparison Mike in the ships of yesterday to todays leviathan's! I am old enough to have travelled on many of the older ships as well as the white whales of today. Whilst I would totally agree that the technology is vastly superior in modern ships, I would still love to travel on ships from the 50's and 60's anytime! Today the ships are huge but that is compromised by the shear numbers of passengers or as they call them now 'guests'! 3 to 6000+ people all on one ship is far from pleasant on occasions. Regrettably they are more like processing centres as one officer described it to me! Money is paramount as anybody who cruises today will know. People get to know not to be around the theatre doors in fear of the stampede that can occur when a show has finished! The older ships were simpler and smaller but reflected an age of adventure and a gentler way of life at sea. The party ships have arrived to cater for the 21st Century cruiser!

Superb video with high quality as always

Loving the new content! Keep it up!

I couldn't believe the shear size of the harbour bridge when I stood underneath it. Photos I'd seen for years just didn't do it justice :)

Love this format mate!

Virgin Cruises ship in the commercial looks sweet as hell.

As always. Great video! A great topic might be ship designs that allowed them survive massive damage such as monarch and malolo

I have a question, have you ever been aboard the Endeavour Replica? Its quite interesting to see how far we've come with ships.

One of your best Videos... greatings from the Other hemisphere !