Well said, the media are absolute dogshit

Very true

I would say that the British Establishment, who created our media, are trying to control, and are succeeding, our world not destroying it.

@@kevinjewitt6347 The world quite frequently destroys itself, nature is not the tell-lies-vision which has only been around 100 years, just look at how many f**k up size volcanoes have gone off in the past 1000 years? The huberis ridden ego of mankind is a joke.....

@@kevinjewitt6347 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eZmWpJWG3qyxnHk.html

Cheers and well said!

In

I'm a scouser and I've met many I didn't like 😂 Seriously though, the point is there are d*ckheads wherever you go or live, we're just normal people who have been demonised by the Tory press and a lot of Sun reading idiots have swallowed it hook line and sinker.

Well said mate 👍

So why you still live here ?

Sending those people to die? 🤔 So you are saying that the fans at Hillsborough didn't want to go and were forced to go there under duress?? You're saying that the whole thing was deliberately staged to kill football fans?? 🤔🤔🤔 Give your head a good wobble, see if it stays on

Instead of booing the royals How about booing the police in Rotherham

I see the trolls have turned up to ruin your thread, mate.

Hear, hear! From a Glaswegian.

@@paulcarruthers8646 Not Mutually exclusive

👏👏❤️👍

Yet another reason to love Geordies.

Tribalism

Clearly don't understand the meaning of Geordie if your happy with national anthem being disgraced..I bet the Newcastle fan is plastic

@GPF yeah plastic for the last 41years, now go away and stand by everything I said.

@Danny Buck May I ask where did it happen ? Just curious mate.

What is working class these days though Nigel? When plumbers and sparks earn more than most graduates?

@Danny Buck I think it's this false sense of victimhood that people with your accent seem to wallow in is one of a few reasons why you're disliked. Typical pro-scouse media all of a sudden treating scousers as some kind of worthy moral judges of society in general. Liverpool as a city is not uniquely hard done to, any more than any working class area of the North, even large parts of the South too I might add. Maybe if you stopped behaving in that manner, people would not react in kind.

@@danieldurchtechnik6804 Not sure if you are providing a working example ironically or completely oblivious to it.

@@danieldurchtechnik6804 Hi Daniel. Could you provide some examples of Liverpool people having a "false sense of victimhood" and "wallowing" in it. I have not seen displays of this. I've seen anger towards corruption and cover- ups (Hillsborough), being alienated (managed decline), mocked for the legacy of the irish famine and being one of the lowest income cities in England (feed the scousers). Whose narrative are you responding too. The medias? I certainly don't know of any scousers that revel in victimhood or wallowing. Could you articulate why you feel and think this way. Thanks.

Congratulations on finding the promised land. 👍

What Italians are you referring to? I'm probably too young to know what you're talking about. Elaborate, please.

@@patcom1013 heysel stadium 39 mostly juventus fans died and hundreds injured becase of Liverpool supporters charging. Can you look it up and get back

@@stevieboy2539 true 100% I remember that . I watched it unfold all them bodies laying there and the Liverpool fans throwing stuff at the fans lots of women and children to so sad 👍

You do know that the trouble was started by the Italians though? Liverpool were being attacked outside the stadium all day long. I think the unfortunate Italians who died though were innocent families not hooligans, they were in an area where you could buy neutral tickets. If you don't believe me, read about all of the English/Birtish fans who have been attacked by Italians over there, and even over here. Sorry to say but that's the truth. Before Heysel Liverpool supporters didn't have a reputation for hooliganism. Leeds, Man Utd, West Ham etc did. Some Liverpool fans went on the rob in Europe but they didn't have a big hooligan problem. Hooliganism in Italy is 1000 times worse than it has ever been in England. There have been quite a few deaths over there.

if you're from Liverpool you haven't paid any tax in your life.

@@petemitchel5622 Love when a thatcher worshipper criticises people for not paying tax whilst trying to destroy every publicly funded agency in the country. Are you a millionaire who benefits from these policies or are you a muddled and confused codger who can't shake off their conditioning?

The Queen's personal money and nowhere near 12 million

​@@petemitchel5622 sh#tbag

​@@petemitchel5622 Wow what a great new joke.. like your mum

You are aware the Monarchy technically makes your taxes cheaper because they pay the Government all the earnings off their estates in return they get a fixed salary if you did some research on it you would realize you are wrong

Youre not in England 😂

Aww diddumms, do you want a DWP flavoured dummy to soothe your hurt feelings?

We have been fooled for the past 30 years by the Labour P@r@sites in Liverpool City Council

Is that why a Gazillion billion trillion million people queue’d up to pay last respects? Imbecile.

I wonder why ?

Bindippers

For your information 91% of the UK population want the monarchy to remain, you need to get educated.

Thatcher’s government came to an end about 60 years ago, you professional victims are an utter embarrassment to the city the region & the country. Why don’t you emigrate to a Republic like Russia or China, don’t worry you can return to sign on for your benefits every 2 weeks.

Oh . I didnt realise that he had been found guilty ?

@@andym9571 guilty as sin mate

@@minnietoby of what exactly ?

@@andym9571 underage sex, why didn’t he go to the US to answer questions, because he would be detained that’s why, his interview on BBC SAID EVERYTHING, there is photographs with the woman he said he never met, she has sworn an affidavit on their meeting, & there has been a Huge settlement out of court, anyone else and they would have been extradited long ago, but because he’s part of a privileged bloody lot of parasites he’s still here. One law for the rich I’m sure you’ve heard that.

@@andym9571 He won't be. Or not guilty.

Perfectly put 👌🏼

Very perceptive comment.

Too true. And a family who gets paid millions (or is it billions??) every year from the public purse let's not forget. insane it is. Social benefits for the very richest no less.

@@beertrixpothead5809 It's harmless pageantry that actually brings in more money to HM treasury than we pay in.

@@hmq9052 Tell that to people who live on crown estates in Cornwall.

@@stevemcmahon9559 Ok. Will do. I was there in '88 by the way when Vinny Jones went through you.

@@hmq9052 I hope that was an attempt at a poor joke. You do realise there's more than one Steve McMahon in the world?

You have been read the Sun and the Daily Mail.

Get those crumbs off your belly, your mom isn't coming to the basement to do it for you

Your obviously a sheep.

Well said mate, it’s the same in Glasgow

You're not offended by the booing?

Well said mate. The 'othering' of Liverpool. Pffttt!

Everything you say is true.

Spot on

A very well balanced man with a chip on each shoulder.

That is pure horse crap.

No we dont, lots of morons in liverpool think they are Irish because they have an Irish ancestor from 150 years ago but one Irish great great grandparent doesnt make you Irish.

@@bighands69 Unfortunately it isn't.

Us Glaswegians get a bad press too but maybe deserved right enough haha.

Couldn't agree more

When it came to the Hillsborough disaster the media jumped the gun because of the past behaviors of Liverpool fans and it was assumed that the fans were to blame. Many at the time wanted to know why thousands of Liverpool fans gathered outside the stadium and pushed their way in.

They didn't push their way in, the doors were opened on the orders of the police. If they had done their job and blocked the central paddock and diverted the fans to other two paddocks the disaster would not have happened then. But it would of happened sooner or later.

What's the difference between a cow and a tragedy? Scousers can't milk a cow.

Heysel Stadium disaster.

@@derekbramell8177 I stood on the Leppings Lane terrace three seasons running in the early eighties with CFC. When you come through the turnstiles the first thing you see is the central tunnel taking you to the middle pen's, the other two entrances to the side pen's are not even in your sight lines they are so far wide, when the police opened those gates it was pretty obvious to me from my experiences there that virtually everyone is going to gravitate towards the middle tunnel. Poor decision making by senior policemen totally to blame.

That's not an English flag

@@J.D.1. Some people don't have the English flag as an emoji. Thing is, I do 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Calm down ,calm down

It’s not a scousers people are offended by, it’s the shell suits……

Sorry Sid, i lived in the South and a part of where i was living was known as little Liverpool by the Sea. If you were looking for drugs you went there or the Scouse bar in the town. Lovely people the Liverpudlians but don't go saying that its completely undeserved cause its not.

Why? Keep your indifference to the nation on a ballot papers and or local elections. Bringing it to a football is wrong, Politics in sports is NOT wanted. Sport is the arena where fans go to forget the politics and disputes of the day, don't bring it to football, tennis, golf or any sports. Keep politics to yourself. Ruined a day for fans, TV and worldwide audiences. The UK is trying to sell British football to the world and this is what they get British fans booing the national anthem, what;s next the return of football hooliganism? Wind your necks in and stop hissing people off with political BS at football, including BLM crap.

Day doo tho dont de tho.

where? Thatcher discussed a "managed decline" of the city. It was a deliberate policy. tell me another city in the Uk which the Tories deliberately drove down?

Monarchy lickspittles so raging🤣🤣🤣

Stay in your own country and be working class.

dont live here then mugs

He doesn’t though does he. You’re just blinded by the teeth.

@@pacman7687 you must be a Tory

@@roberttelford745 Ah yeah ,Klopp the multi million heir understands the plight of poor people. The irony of booing Prince William at a football match where you willingly hand over your money to sit in a stadium and cheer footballers who are paid 100K a week for kicking a ball. Get a grip!

@@pacman7687 Yeah Klopp has no clue, he just said what the victims (fans) wanted to hear because he likes his £300,000 a week job.

@@toekneekerching9543 ? Klopp has a working class background? And regardless, that doesn’t really matter, he cares and he listens

Can’t afford to heat their homes but can afford iPhones and TV’s

Well can you explain

@@ronm9101 Well...you see that thing at your fingertips, you could you know, well ...

The boo because they as a city have had a rabble of Marxist Unionists that are now dominating the city. The Labour party runs Liverpool yet many in Liverpool will act as if the Conservatives are the problem. Marxist actually hate the very idea of culture, country and do not believe borders. Leeds used to have the same problem but that is now starting to change.

@@bighands69 yous need to join Scotland along with the rest of the north of England London looks after London The rest of us are just cogs in a wheel ✌

@@thebillryan Hahahahahaha

Well said from a scouser

Of course you do

Thanks matey!.

Of course an Irish loving no doubt Nicola Sturgeon disciple would love anything that is anti London.

@@ardaz1987 Just dont like hypocritical, empire building, war mongering regimes and elites. Be that Britain, Ireland, USA, Russia, Syria. Dont care what stupid flag you fly. It was a round world last time I looked. No elites, no borders, no flags, no anthems, no countries. When will humanity grow up and ditch its pathetic ambitions, vanity and ego. Don't assume Im Irish loving because I like Celtic. I like the fact Celtic were formed to help poverty stricken people, something we are going to see more of due to the above mentioned system we accept to live under and then are made to feel guilty because we dont sing an anthem to it.

@@darrenkerr3495 so we should get rid of the monarchy and get a president like Putin or Trump? Have some dignity and support peoples rights that involve peaceful non aggressive tactics. Remaining quiet when an anthem is played is sufficient if you don’t like what the anthem stands for. We have elections for removing governments. Queen Elizabeth is a gracious non political head of state that is respected around the world. The person on the receiving end of the scousers stupidity will be king one day, my king and I think he will be outstanding. GSTQ.

How much do you feel like the Liverpool fans?

@@ciaranstaunton To be honest, I haven’t been to a game in years and I am not a monarchist. But I wouldn’t have booed as I don’t mind Prince William and he’s just doing his job. But certain sections of the fan base obviously do. The fans didn’t boo at the end when William was handing out medals. There are banners with ‘Scouse not English’ on them but I have never met a Geordie or Brummie I haven’t got on with. So I regard myself as English too. But I would support Liverpool before England. I have never thought of ‘Scouse’ as a pejorative term. Until Tony claimed it was. Joe is a brilliant presenter by the way. Really knowledgeable and engaging.

I don't mind being called Scouse. It's an insult that was reclaimed a long, long time before anyone alive today was even born. But then, I live in Ireland now and don't have to put up with Little England insults quite so much.

Bootle is in Sefton, not Liverpool.

I know several scousers...salt of the earth is all I can say

...you got it right, the line of command, police-government... leads deffo to the royals, "my government" are the monarch's words at the speeches and the electorate is responsible there. Unite and kick out the toff thug gang.

Heysel

Imagine thinking Liverpool fans are thinking about it that deeply.

Why? Keep your indifference to the nation on a ballot papers and or local elections. Bringing it to a football is wrong, Politics in sports is NOT wanted. Sport is the arena where fans go to forget the politics and disputes of the day, don't bring it to football, tennis, golf or any sports. Keep politics to yourself. Ruined a day for fans, TV and worldwide audiences. The UK is trying to sell British football to the world and this is what they get British fans booing the national anthem, what;s next the return of football hooliganism? Wind your necks in and stop hissing people off with political BS at football, including BLM crap.

@Lee McCullough Quite right. Most of them have no idea why they are booing. I know because I’ve asked them. Also, I’m not sure what the royal family had to do with either the Hillsborough cover-up, or how either Conservative or Labour governments have treated the city. Again, I have no idea why they also chose to boo ‘Abide with Me’. Maybe, they would be better off booing our owners. After all, they are a bunch of rich capitalists, who attempted to join the ESL, and will no doubt try again, when it resurfaces.

English fans got banned because football had a problem. Liverpool fans where not that problem. And before you try to mention what I know you want to mention. Try to look at the facts and what happened.

@@tinyplanet_360 give us the facts about this incident then? I saw a video from Mark Lawrenson saying why do Liverpool fans not discuss this like they do so vocally other other incidents? Enlighten us, like fans do on the other matters with such detail, they don't say look at the facts on those. As no doubt you would only believe a narrative that suits your view, I'm genuinely intrigued.

@@spencermckee9650 I’m not here to give history lessons. But let’s all agree that football across Europe had huge problems with sections of fans. On that day fans where not separated we’ll enough and the ground was an absolute mess to the point of metal bars being left lying around. The fans both gave each other grief and went back and fourth. At one point Liverpool fans charged towards the Juve fans and then…… the f**kin ground collapsed. That is what killed those fans. We should never have had these situations in football games. The only way I can ever defend the state of grounds or the fans themselves is by saying it was just a different era. I mean Heysel was 37 years ago so pretty much 4 decades ago. We can easily talk about how football has changed lots over the last 15 years on the pitch so we need to be accepting of what it was like 40 years ago off it. We live, we learn, we grow. It’s horrible that these things happened and that it took things like this for football to change but it has changed and for the better. So again in reply to the comment I originally replied to. Fans didn’t get banned just because of this. Fans got banned because we had bad fans across the board. It’s just a shame that it takes so much convincing over so long to show people the truth. What I’ve said is correct. Liverpool fans didn’t murder anyone. I’m not disgusted at Liverpool fans or fans of any team I’m disgusted at horrible people. I’ve seen the interview with Mark Lawrenson and I can’t comment as to why those players don’t talk about it. I can imagine fans naturally talk about hillsborough more because it was our own fans. Just as you’d talk more about your own family members you’ve lost over other peoples. I genuinely don’t think I’m believing a narrative that suits my view. I do believe on occasions like Hillsborough or the final in Paris that fans will turn up without tickets and try to get in. I don’t agree with that one bit and I’d never turn up without a ticket. But again that happens everywhere for all events, it’s not exclusive to football games. And that doesn’t mean anyone should lose their life or that the people in charge should get away with blatant lies over mistakes they made. This whole conversation stems from booing the national anthem. I can’t understand people saying Liverpool fans are so wrong to boo. I can’t understand singing god save our queen. Fictional man save our unelected leader ……. There’s not one ounce of that I’ll ever sing lol.

He ran out of time lol

@@andrewdavy9921 and yours should be Andrew Divy. You’ve wrote a reply with nothing but hatred and blind ignorance. It’s clear from what you’ve said that you are the animal.

Agree entirely 😉 But then Rugger is a game with crazy concepts like total respect for the referee, a sense of fairplay, no rolling around like you’ve been shot by a sniper and fans that can share craic and have a beer together without the desire to maim one another!! 😁 It’ll never catch on!! 😳😳😂😂😉

Nowhere near as bad as pitch invasions and assaulting players. Get it in perspective.

@@decodeco4021 I remember soccer matches being like that in the 50's Then Liverpool got promoted in 1960 and kick started hooliganism !!

Something that doesn't exist saving the the most privileged person on the planet. Update needed.

The anthem doesn't deserve respect

In what way? This was dealt with at the time in court. The people who could be identified were tried in court.

@@stevemcmahon9559 Even Mark Lawrenson on that 'two tribes' documentary called the club out for Heysel being 'brushed under the carpet' by them and they were his words, not mine.

@@Suttoner76 maybe you should start by reading a book that a everton known thug was sent to jail .And writes ever so proudly about taking part in Heysel. Thugs and outsiders who only went to games to start fights and get a buzz , and use the Liverpool fans as scapegoats . So yes I have no shame in being a victim, because this smear has gone on far to long that's why Liverpool fans boo

@@alleyhughes4529 Makes little sense this post, apart from trying to push blame elsewhere. So Liverpool fans were scapegoated over Heysel? That's a new one.Then again it's actually not as the club blamed Chelsea fans in the aftermath of that shocking night.

It's clear that in a democracy that people as individuals can decide for themselves. I don't think I would boo any anthem at the same time an anthem that makes no mention of the people will always be contentious to some. If you don't believe in singing something then don't. Maybe the idea that people have diverse opinions is something for those who were offended by the booing to get on board with. Well done those fans who were clear on their position 👏 👍 YNWA

@@Giovanniditessitore how can scousers be poor if they can travel in 10,000s to Paris and 45k to Wembley how poor you all are

They/we don't hate England, we hate the elites and the press. the national anthem says .god save the King'....not god save England.The national anthem is almost exclusively a tribute to the monarchy not the country.

No, they boo the monarchy because the vast majority of scousers are Republicans. Probably influenced by the Irish immigration.

Agree. Last night he asked every single person on the off the ball about the football lad that game out as Guy ( respect to the lad 👍) but Joe can't stop himself . He has to put his opinion over and over .

Totally agree. Wouldn't have liked to hear more from Tony. The first half of that clip is a waste. Get on with it Joe.

I thought the same. The guy just went on and on and on AND ON .He obviously loves the sound of his own voice and Tony Evans only got a few words in before the video ended .

England fans even loudly booed Joe Gomez and took Sterling's side after scratchgate. That's all forgotten now.

Spot on Louise 👍 massive big booing from scotland ! That family is the British representative of blood , greed , slaughter, destruction and head of a murdering regime, they can GTF and put in the ashes when Scotland gets independence FTRF

As if they care about foreigners 'rooting' against them. It must be weird to speak the language of a people you hate. How do they cope with that?

Why do Liverpool fans boo?

@@greatestanalyser2354 Search the term "managed decline" and "Thatcher". That's a start.

Totally agree.

Why do you never get this victim mentality from Everton, Tranmere, Preston etc?

@@northernsoul3485 Becasuse I think Liverpool fans don’t want to be liked. They like a siege mentality.

Using scouse like the N word what a fkin plank

Northern Soul Everton and Tranmere never had a Hillsborough and the constant mockery that followed. Wakey wakey.

Racist.

​@@ajp8941explain ?

Thank you!

Because we are the best the best anthem the best history the all red strip the kop the European cups shankly paisley dalglish klopp hope that this has answered your question

No

Most successful English club ever. Best atmosphere ever. Scousers rule this dumb of a country. Of course they’re going to be bitter and sad about it.

Neither am I HTL

It started of as an insult in the 1800

@@ronm9101 you didn’t answer the other question.

@@KENNYPAUL2 got board

Yeh they did boo abide with me ?!! Pathetic

Seemingly they thought it was announced that the National Anthem was to be sung. Once 55,000 start booing you can’t here anything else. May be time to put an end to all the pomp and political pageantry at football games. Players are warned not to display any private or political messages on their under shirts or risk sanctions, so why not do away with all of it. Otherwise we’ll get like U S A with their Pledging allegiance to the flag, singing the National anthem with great gusto with tears streaming down their face. Brainwashed.

Most people all over the world.are the down to earth. I assume. Apparently you actually know

@@frankwhite4643 Fans booing is something you would see in East Liverpool, Ohio but certainly not in Liverpool, New York.

@@rockyzrockyx917 neither of those places are actually liverpool though

Agreed

They are fooling themselves if they think voting Labour is the answer! The likes of Starmer is a member of the Trilateral Commission and many are promoting the corrupt unelected World Economic Forum which is a clever way of bringing in the technocratic new world order under the guise of "sustainability'. All of these politicians are puppets, particularly the controlled opposition which pretends to be anti-establishment but tows a very thin and CONTROLLED line which the indoctrinated cannot see beyond.

Booing has absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

It’s a disgrace

They are not angry about the obscene money in football? Watching millionaires kick a ball around for billionaires,? Get the fxxk out of here 🤣🤣

@@pacman7687 Boo, Boo, Boo!

Why don't you support your own team...Stoke City?

@@damienoneill4355I support Port Vale which is at the opposite end of the city .

I would say that a glory supporter is someone who chose their club because of their success. That maybe someone who changes teams according to whoever's doing better at the time, or it maybe someone that sticks to the same team but originally started to support them because they were doing well, and not through any loyalty. your one of these , no culture of your own so you adopt one to make you feel accepted and important

@@paulharris6570 Most football fans support more than one team, or have an affinity I should say for another team, be it something simple like they worked in a city once a time and liked there time there, and just say I like them and there my second team, why make it a big issue, you sound like a hard line unionists from Northern Ireland, wind your neck back in

@@desslattery3457 Must be a lot of people who work in Liverpool or Manchester, strange that, Millwall should be getting 30k a week with all the commuters that work on East london, strange

Jerusalem

Land of Hope and Glory has a great bit for chanting.

@@colinturner4158 Rugby has that.

Why? Keep your indifference to the nation on a ballot papers and or local elections. Bringing it to a football is wrong, Politics in sports is NOT wanted. Sport is the arena where fans go to forget the politics and disputes of the day, don't bring it to football, tennis, golf or any sports. Keep politics to yourself. Ruined a day for fans, TV and worldwide audiences. The UK is trying to sell British football to the world and this is what they get British fans booing the national anthem, what;s next the return of football hooliganism? Wind your necks in and stop hissing people off with political BS at football, including BLM crap.

@@darrellpowell6042 Come off it! "Ruined a day for worldwide audiences??" The game was memorable for all the right reasons...and Liverpool were the main reason. Muppet.

Responsibility for what?

Well bloody said, most of the time I would say.

@@SFNDMK the trouble they cause and then cry about how they are treated, they where. a pack of thugs in the 70’s n still the same BUT ITS NEVER THIER FAULT, and please go independent n leave England to be a better place without you Micky’s about

Responsible for a managed decline by thatcher in the 80s? Responsible for the cover up by the government and police on Hillsborough? For someone with Irish parents you should feel a bit ashamed. Well I know I would. The Irish has always been hated by the English. And the Irish influx in Liverpool over a hundred years ago caused an instant agenda against the city by the rest of England. Come on.

@@joshg2603 maybe but at the same time if I was in Liverpool I'd be called a wool by people who are less Irish than me and I wouldn't get that anywhere else, id find it derogatory so I couldn't be relaxed

Spot on, sister.

Liverpool has been dominated by the labour party yet all certain Liverpool political activists want to do is whine about the conservative party.

@@bighands69 You saying the Conservative party has never ran the country? How ignorant can you be?

Hannah Alone That's exactly what the Woke Middle Class Elite in London think about Working Class People.

@@connsaunders9600 Including the Tories?

You're not all in the same boat as us. We where devastated far by any one else by the effects of thatcherism policy and we shouldn't be told by anglophiles to accept their false narrative

“Move on!” The cry of the Tory. Nothing to see here.

not our fault you like the taste of boot up there

@@gringosdarr More like they don't wallow in self pity thinking their the only ones to have it tough. Anthem belongs to everybody.

@@buster9168 Lizzies in the mud in the mud lizzies in the mud na na naaaa lizzies in the mud in the mud

@@buster9168 Lizzies in the mud in the mud lizzies in the mud na na naaaa lizzies in the mud in the mud

@@scousegam3r565 Actually she is in a crypt the words were Lizzies in a box you can't even get that right you dope bellend🤣🤣🤣

Irish don't boo anthems. Something the daft plastics in Liverpool are mistaken about.

Down with the parasitic lizards, booing with all me might here too !!’ 👍💪🏼

I'm a City fan totally agree with you.

@@airborneassassin6588 fair play. A proper fan👏🏼

If the Tories get outraged at something it generally means it’s a good thing and we should keep doing it.

F off to the irish league then. Always the victims

Why don't they boo John Henry and his board members for implementing a furlough scheme brought forward by Tories or Is it while Liverpool win things they'll keep quiet..no problem with the booing just don't want double standards

they do not represent the city. Liverpool is diverse and full of all different types of people so be proud not ashamed

Understand why!

@@johnburns4017 why? please enlighten me

@@johnnyt1588 Liverpool was set out to have a population 5 or 6 times its current size. There is no reason why Liverpool cannot rise to be a Munich or Barcelona as its once was. Commercial cities, like Liverpool, tend to be large. In the 1960s when the metropolitan counties were being worked on, it was obvious that south Lancashire and parts of north Cheshire should be split between the two big cities in the region. That would have meant pretty even populations of the two proposed counties of Merseyside and Gtr Manchester. That did not occur. The initial plan for "Merseyside" was cut by 40% in area, to the point "Merseyside" did not even cover the whole of the banks of the Mersey estuary. Southport only came into Merseyside because they insisted on being in. The government were insisting the word "Liverpool" was not in the title. Even back then in the early 1970s, the Ted Heath Tories were engineering the "decline" of Liverpool. The Thatcher Tories tried to finish the city off. The city looked ahead and proactively did the right things in the 1960/70s, rapidly changing with the times forming a mixed economy and continuing as a predominately commercial city as well. Liverpool was not a one industry industrial vertical sector city volatile to the whims of world markets. The city put in all the essential building blocks to seamlessly move to the next stage. All were looking highly optimistically to the future. *1)* The city opened a rapid-transit underground urban rail network. *2)* The city centre had large parts rebuilt. *3)* New hotels were being built. *5)* New large office blocks being built. *6)* Private housing was being built all over the city region. *7)* The world's largest residential block was built in the city in 1966. *8)* Motorways were being run into the city from many angles. *9)* An outer city loop motorway was being built. *10)* A new expensive Mersey road tunnel was opened in 1971, supplementing the existing road tunnel, running right onto a motorway, effectively giving a motorway serving the city centre directly. *11)* The city opened a massive new container dock, the country's largest, only 5 years after the first container ship docked in Britain, accommodating the world's largest container ships at the time, in preparation of the coming shift in shipping patterns. *12)* Car factories had set up in the city (manufacturing, not the city's traditional business) to mix the economy. *13)* The city was expanding the airport to claw back its previous liner passenger trade. *14)* The Air Ministry ran the airport from WW2. The city had the best airport in Britain in 1945, the London based Air Ministry neglected it and after protests only handed it back to the city in 1961, after Manchester stole the lead in people shifting - Liverpool's traditional business. *15)* Banking and insurance was big in the city with some of Britain's biggest insurance companies based in the city, giving the city a large financial services sector. Some banks in New York originated in Liverpool. Brown comes to mind (William Brown St). The Post Office Giro Bank was established in the city. *16)* Passenger rail links were extensive in the region and nationwide. The first Inter-City train actually left Liverpool in 1966. *17)* The city was well represented in music and the arts with a world-wide reputation being viewed as the pinnacle of popular music. The city had a positive world-wide reputation all around. Yet in a few years this commercial city was destitute, when Thatcher came to power. Ask why.

It is understandable why. The Tories are still doing _Managed Decline_ of Liverpool. Look at the *public* money poured into adjacent Manchester, while little goes to Liverpool. The Tories are so dumb, they do not realise that Liverpool is the only deep water port of that coast and cannot be wished away. *1)* HS2 is fully going to Manchester. Not one nut & bolt of HS2 goes within 20 miles of Liverpool. *2)* The Tories took the BBC to Manchester when Liverpool had an established film industry, with superior dock locations for studios. Liverpool were not allowed to even submit a bid. *3)* The Tories spent a lot of money extending Manchester's trams. They have spent near nothing on extending Liverpool's Merseyrail metro - the city desperately needs it extending. There is about 4 miles of tunnel, and a large underground junction south of Central station, about 10 miles of trackbed awaiting tracks & trains that was planned to be built in the 1980s. Thatcher cancelled one third of it, including a six-platform underground parkway station at Broad Green. The Tories have given money to build a station on the outskirts of Kirkby - big thrill. *4)* Direct flights to Heathrow from Liverpool, despite being well used, were cancelled which promoted Manchester airport. The Liverpool-London and Liverpool-Manchester lines run adjacent to the airport, yet no HMG money to build a station at the airport. *5)* Government paid to electrify the rail line from Southampton to the Midlands, to improve the port's access. Liverpool has only one diesel line into the whole port, when it had nine at one time. The rail alignments are mainly still there. No money forthcoming to improve the port's rail access, keeping it at a disadvantage. *6)* etc. Liverpool 2 container terminal was built with *private* money.

Why should any of our fellow northeners cheer for a monarch that is displayed riding in a golden carriage amongst the starving children of our country. It's a disgrace.

@@pleasantville4529 Yeah, I can't disagree with that.

Sean - yours seems to be the rare voice of sense, in all the idiots that have commented, under the impression they have an intellect.......

Itz da toreez da toreez

@@leeTBh Mock someone when you don't have the brain power to argue against it. It's far easier to make a strawman than to understand what people ACTUALLY think

The whole of the football ecosystem at the time was entire of hatred and hooliganism, it was not a matter of who but when and where. There are other instances of near misses with both hooliganism and crushing.

not our fault

Get one thing straight mate...the always the victim shouts are based around the fight for truth and justice for the Hillsborough disaster. I've witnessed every fanbase have idiots along the way wherever I've been and I've travelled loads with Liverpool.

You’ve literally just described every fanbase 😂😂 imagine going to a game and being shocked about insults being said. Get a grip lad haha. Also hysel has a plaque by anfield. We always remember it. An Italian club tragedy in Belgium is going to be spoken about less in England. Than a tragedy that happened on these lands, and was lied about for 30 years. Nobody every brought to real justice. Nobody charged. People are still in prison today for their stupid and horrific acts at hysel. A walk that fell on juventus fans, from pressure of fighting. In a stadium that was already falling apart.

@@joshg2603 They don't listen to the facts.. annoys me the way none of them do any homework about the Heysel stadium and how most of the blame should be with the authorities

I'll say this again. Heysel was started by the Italians. They caused all the trouble during the lead up to the game. Sorry but that's the truth. Any football supporter knows how bad Italian supporters are. They are 1000 times worse than English fans. Unfortunately the Juve supporters who were killed were not hooligans but mostly neutrals many of whom lived elsewhere in Europe (e.g. Brussels). One Juve supporter even had a gun. Liverpool supporters DID NOT have a reputation for hooliganism before Heysel. West Ham, Leeds, Man Utd had larger hooligan elements.

Sorry to hear of those incidents and as a scouser I am embarrassed that people behaved like that. There are plenty of dckheads in Liverpool just as there are in any other UK city unfortunately. Society is a mess nowadays unfortunately and it's getting worse. Read up on the causes of Heysel though. The French police and local youths from the outlying ghettos caused that - UEFA praised the Liverpool supporters and said they probably saved lives. The Real Madrid supporters also experienced bad things but not as bad as the Liverpool supporters because the Liverpool supporters came from a different route where all of the Parisien "youth" of North African extraction were wiating to mug them.

The many Irish connections may be true, but that still doesn’t explain the booing. I was at an Ireland V England match at the old Lansdowne Rd and another at the newly opened Aviva stadium. The Irish fans sang their anthem while a chorus of boos came from the England end. The Irish fans didn’t boo the English anthem. It shows there’s a certain underbelly to the National game. Embarrassing.

I can sympathise with the meaning of your statement: Because of Hillsborough the people of Liverpool are not being dealt a fair 'cop': Which saddens me. I and my wife with friends go to Liverpool often and we're going for our 20th wedding anniversary. You see we are from Nottingham and we all remember those crazy days when our cities were champions of Europe for 5 years. Another twist of fate and it could have us mourning the dead of our city and perhaps we'd have been booing the anthem!

70% scousers have Irish descent.

@@markkeetley2225, so Hillsborough is a reason to boo the national anthem??? Your as loopy as the scousers 🙄

But most English have some Irish ancestors, my mother is Irish so I don't get this tbh.... The whole country is being screwed and not just f****** Liverpool

It is so sad that people in Liverpool claim to not be English despite Liverpool being a part of England since it formed in the year 927 do they think if they are proud of England and Britain they can no longer be proud of Liverpool or something? I don't understand the reasons for it and I'm sick of hearing its because of tHaTcHer loads of people hate Thatcher they didn't suddenly lose their national identity though. I wish more people thought like you

Scouse isn't an nationality 😂😂😂 And I am one (aigburth) seems to be an older generation scouse thing I think like ones born in the 50 60s, I don't know any younger scouse 80 90s born who are like this yoghurt 😂 Plus the wee boo privilege 😐 isn't somebody on about £100,000-150,000k a week classed as privileged I'd say so?

I'm from the south east but I totally agree. Ours must be the only nat anthem in the world that pays homage to an individual rather than our country.

never followed English football but I'm now im a fan of Liverpool fans... farkin legends.

@@donavonlarney 🤡

The thing is The royal family are actually moving away from this type of rule Britannia Thing A new Royal family way of thinking is coming in This loyalism jack waving is dead They now realise that different times Need different ways of thinking And understanding The hate that they have caused throughout the world

@@ronm9101 yet you lot wave the Irish flags at every game Hate flag waving...only if it’s the Brit flag.

@@danh555 I can only assume you mean the Celtic football club that was formed by an Irishman

Strange that it’s on the club website. There is a memorial at Anfield and they hold a ceremony on the anniversary. Very odd way to erase something isn’t it

Hillsborough was an easily preventable tragedy that killed 97, injured hundreds and traumatised thousands, blamed on our people for decades despite being clearly on the responsibility of the organisers. Heysel was the result of Thatcherite economic policies resulting in an improvised and angry people as a result of the centralisation of wealth in the upper classes. Which made them highly susceptible to something like football hooliganism, because football is the only thing thatcher hadn't managed to rip away from our city. This unfortunately resulted in a fight between 2 gangs of fans which resulted in 39 deaths. Which is on the responsibility of the murderers. Those murderers got their punishment. We where unfairly punished for decades as a people, socially and culturally, for our own people dying, and being hurt, and being traumatised. They're completely differant circumstances, and yes hilsborough is focused on more, Because of how long it took our people to get justice, and the fight that still goes on to make people realise that our people didn't cause hilsborough. Personally i find it incredibly disrespectful that people bring up events like Heysel when we're talkign about hilsborough. Saying "your tragedy doesn't matter because some people from your club killed some people from another club" as if our people don't understand and respect that. it was never erased.

@@ms.antithesis the fact is murdering scousers took the lives of 39 innocent men, women and children...... Hillsborough, as you say, was disordered organisation....

@@englanduk6131 first off, non of the victims of herself where children. 2ndly, your entire account is so tory it hurts. 3rd, I'd argue that people murdering and being arrested for it, is far less relivent than nearly double the peiple being killed by bad organisation on the part of Hillsborough stadium, and then nobody being arrested for ot.

Just think if it was reversed ,dixi forever

but would u support those who boo taking the knee, a gesture forced upon the UK by BLM , a far left marxist con that have stolen million of pounds from people around the world , an org that dont care about black people at all but a few black people that can cause political upset ? You support the booers of BLM and taking the knee then? Good lad

Nice one

Connections between Liverpool and Celtic run long and deep, and will never be divided.

@@stevenjones2106 Ha Ha good one steve go and find out who formed liverpool and your opinion will change.

It was Everton who had Irish connection think it was 1950s most of team had players from Irish Republic...not Liverpool check history of who founded both clubs.

Don't try and turn this into a Glasgow religious divide...this city is for ALL people.

So are you saying scousers do not go to other parts of the county

" Not to go to England much"? Liverpool IS in England. Your comment doesn't make sense.

@@karenhopwood891 exactly that’s what am saying like

@@karenhopwood891 in England but not of it

@@karenhopwood891 I think you’ve missed the point there Karen 😁