The old screamer killer screams because it was an abomination against nature, the new screamer killer screams because of its early onset male pattern baldness. Both tragic in their own ways

This is the official support thread for people affected by the Rules Gotchas theme. With each others help, we can get this song out of each others heads, in time.

I went to 2005 Chicago games day, and they had this giant multi table game going to decide the fate of the 40k universe. One of the kids next to me popped off several great shots with his imperial guard indirect and helped swing his table. They gave him a super cool painted vintage screamer killer. Mind you, there were a ton of other giveaways, so it wasn't like it was just him but this video shook up the synapses in my old ass brain and made me remember this.

A weird thing about the Screamer Killer in 1E is that there was the army list in White Dwarf 145 you showed which had Screamer Killer with stats like a big monster. The very next White Dwarf (No. 146; Feb' 1992) had an article on Dreadnoughts which was a preview of the Vehicle Handbook. It also had an entry for the Screamer Killer different rules for it being treated like a dreadnought. With vehicle damage tables. White Dwarf 146 also had the Tyranid fleet rules for Space Fleet - the precursor of battlefleet gothic.

no one going to mention the lore tidbit of squigs being FACEHUGGED ORKS GENETICALLY ALTERED then rescued by Ork compatriots who recognised their bros and kept their buddies as new pets?

This has quickly become my favorite Warhammer channel, love the oldhammer history

In my opinion, Voltage Field was a must for all Tyranids capable of getting biomorphs. They might as well have included it in their standard equipment. :D

Ive been collecting since 3rd edition so it might interest you to know that I bought the laviathan box specifically for the Tyranid half as it's an army I don't get have.... So much plastic going for cheap on eBay right now. My cousin had a tonne of these 3rd edition metal models and that Carnifex did not want to stay together.

Thank you for all the work you put in to making this videos a joy to watch.

love your content but wish AI art wasn't on screen half the time, even stock images would be preferable

The old synapse rules are one of the biggest distinctions I can think of with the tyranid army. It reinforced that individual tyranids are just basic biological units, they could have instinctual behaviour underneath the control imposed by the hive mind. Synapse was something you had to protect. It reminds me of funky rules from WFB like stupidity and demonic instability. It adds a little more chaos and nonsense to a fight where random stuff can always interrupt your plans.

I wasn't ready for the horrible truth about the hero of armageddon. Yes that's right folks Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka

I buy Codexes for their art and the lore they come with. I try to get "older" ones, because they are expensive enough without rarity price hikes, such as the first few editions costing hundreds. I love the retro art of older Warhammer. Books get discontinued all the time, especially with Warhammer, such as the old Deathwatch RPG. I want to preserve any codex I buy because they'll eventually go out of print. Sorry for my disorderly rambling, but I'm ecstatic to find someone who appreciates Warhammer art as much as I do.

Ah the insanity that was 2nd edition, where everyone had a vortex grenade,combat drugs and you could have a dreadnought drive round in a land raider.

Back in 2nd edition I was young and foolish, so didn’t think to get the extra strength to boost the Armour Penetration die. I instead just increased the toughness as many times as I could, think it was twice, so it ended up being immune to strength 5 and lower attacks if I recall correctly.

I love your work, thanks for inspiring me to keep working.

The editing on this stuff is so good.

Nobody in or from stoke newington has ever experienced lust

Fully supportive of more Zoat content

"price hasn't changed" 😂

I love the name Screamer-Killer so much, pure classic sci fi.

It's fascinating the things that age out of WH and the things that stay through the years. Zoats are an obscure lore entry and an equally dated sculpt not present at all in the current canon and yet screamer killers and all the Genestealer cult models managed to make it back in after years if not decades out of production. More impressive, the Blood Angels @7:36 are all painted in essentially modern heraldry, save a few details like yellow aquillae.

Love these videos. Though as a zoomer, I am confused by the Star Wars Prequels hate. We all hate the Sequels now, the Prequels are great. Catch up old man

I love this style of video, subbed, here's hoping you become one of the biggest 40k channels, with a whole 100k subs.

Old one eye is actually an ancient T-REX from a 2000AD Judge Dredd comic

I never had the older carnifex models but having old one eye in my 40k when I was a kid was a great time. Pretty sure he could only be used in armies underneath a certain size

I love your channel! Learning about the insanity that is 2e Warhammer is amazing.

love all the classic Carnifex battle shots from the old days.

2:14 the Chaos thrower has a XENOMORPH head!

Only discovered your channel a couple of days ago, niche but absolutely in my wheelhouse. Long live oldhammer!

I will now add Squigs for my Tyranids for homebrew rules 😂

Old model still holds up.

This is the first time i notice that all the first incarnation Nids had this bloated heads. Everytime i only saw pictures of the screamer killers front but never the side

Another great video mate! 🍻

Thanks for your work! I'd love to know more about the old hammer.

Came for the content, stayed for the jingle.

Excellent as always!

I still remember the rule which had it so you couldn't target a Carnifex if there was a model that was over half it's size in front. Like a Genestealer. Which was less than twice the size of a Termigant. Which was less than twice the size of a Ripper Swarm...

"The price still hasn't changed" Wh- that's double... is there a joke I'm missing...?

This is funny dude, keep up the good work

Considering how "beloved" rouge trader lore is I'm suprised more people aren't in the angered by you comparing them to the sw prequels.

1:31 onwards is exactly what toddlers are.

7:29 and 8:54: I would love a battlereport in your style of this particular battle. It was my introduction into 40k. I still have the White Dwarf but it's german so I sadly can't give you the english number.

Really interesting video, but that last theory just blew my mind. XD It is now my new headcanon.

I still have those White Dwarf

Ahhh good old 2nd ed Carnifexes. Ran 2 most of the time with Voltage Field for the reasons stated but usually also toughened exoskeleton putting them up to T9 and now just that bit more annoying to deal with as bar the Heavy Plasma Gun most heavy weapons were now wounding on 5's or 4's instead of 4's and 3's which did make a difference to get them where they needed to go.

"Just think of it as an early first draft and pretend it never happened." not gonna lie i've given more than a few serious thoughts to "pulling a TOW" on 40K. 10E rules with RT/2E lore. Maybe calling it 2.10 (deliberately Two-Point-Ten) or something. You know, the whole "Secret Sith Lord Jar Jar" thing

2:04 those catachans models look better than the current catachan models

Adrenal Glands were a highly useful biomorph for 2ED fexen. They let it move - advance, even - and still shoot it’s plasma. Very handy, given that blast weapons were like volley fire arrows back then - you fired them at an army and assumed enough of them won’t miss.

No Hunter Slayer models yet, but GW brought back termagants with spike rifles!

This vid had me creasing up, very funny 👏

I mean, I *have* the new box, but I haven't opened it yet. And I haven't even taken the Space Marine sprues out of the Indomitus box, either, because I have a serious problem with buying GW stuff.

I think we should call it "The Intergalactic Hug Bug".

In a days time when we find out who won the Leviathan launch box global campaign thingey, if it is Tyranids and we do see all the upcoming Tyranid releases till the end of the year (boo if it's space marines, no one cares about new space marine models, the data card stack alone shows how many bloody space marine models exist currently (off the cards alone all of the tyranids and all of the eldar together still have less then the space marines, so here's hoping everyone's favourite food guzzling aliens win it), I, and presuming most everyone else here, expect top see the edit to your video when the hunter slayers are announced (because that would be grand if they are), but really, the hunter slayer, as per the entry in the 2nd ed tyranid codex, is just another name for the Termagant just like Spook is another common name for Lictor's. Also, the immeasurable pain you caused me by pronouncing a TermaGANT as a TermagaUnt especially when you have TermaGANT plastered all over the imagery and descriptors you have shown in this video is hard to fully express here. For shame on you calling yourself Olden demon and not embracing that up until the 3rd ed codex it was always Gants have guns whilst Gaunts have claws. Interestingly, a Termagant is defined as a harsh tempered and overbearing woman, and a group of termagants could easily be tied in with references to gangs of old ladies as introduced by Monty Python. Look harmless enough, till you get up close and personnal and then you're in for it. Missed opportunity I say! :p Jokes and grumblings aside, being a bloke who owns 34 screamer killers in varying states of assemblage/painting/dire need of stripping away some kids glorious childhood 90's paint job and repainting it into some adults glorious rendition of some kids glorious 90's paint job, well 37 screamer killers if we count the 3 from Leviathan (remember kids, when GW says 'No! You can't have more then one of our FOMO things, even if we supplied your country with so many that they are still available for sale in GW stores despite the standard introduction boxes to the game going up for pre-order this weekend and into general sale next week', your friendly local games stores exist who whilst being slapped with a one only per person leash, aren't just friendly local games stores, but friendly local games stores that ship country wide for less money then it costs to use public transport to travel to your local GW 20 minutes away by bus {only to be forced to log into their stupid little pre-order terminal and do what what you could have done just by staying at home and getting wired on immense amounts of coffee instead} and then back home again, and then, selling all GW direct stuff at 20% off GW's RRP for a wicked I can now buy even more plastic crack with all these savings all because last year when a new AoS army was released GW's webstore had nothing in stock and suddenly I got forced to go look elsewhere and leave my buddy that manages the local GW store and has for well over a decade now, hanging and suddenly losing thousands of dollarydoos from me to an FLGS interstate whose webstore was infinitely more accessible and user friendly...I may have gone off down that path over there {or was it back here} but that's okay because it's all hidden neatly behind one of these wicked symbols ) but we're not going to soil our glorious rt/2nd ed and some 3rd ed models that no longer have a place in the modern feel of the tyranid swarms but still do in rt and 2nd ed armies looks wise, rather those new screamer killers they're gonna be treated as splinter fleet screamer killers - you know, the tyranids that were too cowardly and incompetently crap at what theyw ere engineered to do and thus failing to do their job right the first time and instead decided to embrace the ork philosophy of 'piss ya pants and run away from da inferior species that ain't fightin fair and all choppy choppy against us orks so weez best run away and den fight anuvver day' tyranids. Anyone that thinks the splinter fleets are otherwise have been away from the glory of the Hive Mind for too long - because that's where they belong, but digressing aside, speaking as a bloke that owns 34 of these marvellously awesome and cuddly screamer killers, your video highlighting their awesome, especially the part about hitting strength 8 and suddenly being able to treat their biga ss claws as 2 pairs of chop sticks to guzzle down all the food in front of them in more refined style in 2nd ed 40k because of the increase in damage die used, tickled all the right buttons for me. So thank you. This was glorious. Also, now I am tempted to model an Old One Eye with old Yarrick standing in front of him on his base purely to double as an objective marker for anyone - rescue Old One Eye...which one again? Hehehe. *Insert super secret Tyranid Farewell which is like the super secret Tyranid greeting which Andy Chambers accidentally got photographed doing some years ago and so it isn't as super secret as it once was or maybe there's more super secret tyranids out and about then people know about. Anyways, one of those farewells and thankyous. :)

i want to make an army of 2nd edition tyranids.

*saves in case they make a Hunter Slayer*

Damn, these are witty. Haven't laughed this much at a video in ages!

My favourite biomorph was Adrenaline Glands. Nothing shocked your opponent like seeing a couple of these things charge across the board... and then shoot their bio-plasma!

I actually bought leviathan because of the tryanids I saw it as the perfect opportunity to start my second army

1:24 Gona need more details on that Tyranid Squig swarm

3rd edition Tyranids were strange. The Carnifex in particular being S10 and a monstrous creature meant it rolled 2D6 + S against vehicle armor, with armor MAXING out at 14 your average land raider held up as well to a Carnifex assault as your average empty soda can does to a sledge hammer blow. That was the era of what I called the big and small strategy for Tyranids. They were almost unbeatable as long as you fielded only gaunts (of any type) and monstrous creatures. Nothing on a medium size base was to be fielded at all other than Zoanthropes. The medium size stuff all suffered terribly to the instant death rules since they had only T4 and armor that...wouldn't save anything S8 or higher and rules at the time mean squads could always ignore smaller bugs to shoot at bigger bugs behind them so Tyranid Warriors, Ravagers, Lictors, etc. were all trash as they just got wiped out by devastator squads on turn 1.

That Squig lore at 1:26 came out of nowhere! That is actually an awesome take on squig origins, they shouldn't have gotten rid of that.

Screamer-Killer vs. Slannesh Noise Marine, who would win a fight?!

SW Episode 1 is still better than anything disney has made.

Rules gotchas, they'll make you say "oh no!" ...like a faded Britpop star...

The prequels are perfectly fine and I will die on this hill. Everyone who thought Star Wars would be better without George are getting exactly what they deserve.

I could swear the old terminators save was 2+ on 2d6 meaning you needed a weapon with AP to even damage them going with the lore of terminators being walking tanks that shrug off all small arms fire.

I decided to look up the new keywords for the Screamer Killer and it seems that both it and Old One Eye are not Carnifexes.

Back in those days the comic 2000ad, and writer Pat Mills in particular, could still be felt in the genetic makeup of W40K. I always assumed Old One Eye was a direct reference to a character of the same name from their story Flesh, in which T-Rex Old One Eye spent every episode devouring time travelling cowboys who were hunting dinosaurs to extinction because the future had run out of food.

Is 2nd edition "oldhammer"? Some other moniker? I really want to reminisce about this era but oldhammer on reddit seems to be strictly RT

I am making that yarik thing cannon and you cant stop me

If you want to hear how to do a good jingle, listen to Sonic the Comic the Podcast as they got some real bangers. Also keeping it around 5 seconds helps.

Oh how I miss old one eye and red terror.

Looks scary. Dies like a bitch to Ork Nobs with Big Choppas.

Vortex weapons and Str D really makes me want to try 2nd edition. I just havent understood the part about star wars prequel.

Another great video. Those legs aren't at all tiny though!

I wonder if those images are Ai generated. Not that it matters, they are just.. nice!

If I like the video, will you never sing again?

old screamer killer is the best!

are these all ai images??

Are you David Mitchell? 😂

bump

Mmm zoats.

well me the best part of vid are the winner DOGs and if have em well you do vid of em the big bug welll that hole other thing but as go will see

Don't you DARE INSULT THE OLD SCREAMER KILLER!!! Its one of my favorite models from the first range. the new one just looks meh. I know I am just an old grognar so gimme an break. I miss second ed. the rules were stupid. But man some of the most insane stupid (fun) heroic things happened in that rule set.

8:27 No, no, no. Come on. The CODEX gave it a 3+ save. The list that came in the rulebook gave it a 5++ save instead. In my first game in that edition mine was killed by lasguns.

The prequels were good in theme and theoru, poor in execution. The sequels on the other hand were just awful.

i enjoy your videos but i do think the AI art is not very pretty compared to all the original 40k artwork and book pages. Just seems like a weird choice but you do you i guess

Is the obsession with Space Marines a primarily UK thing? We just don't have that in the states.

I don't know what's mire disgusting, that og screamer killer, or the blatant use of "AI" "art"

Bro, why the prequels hate? I understand that they had some issues, but they were a blast and at least 70% good. Hell, you want shit? The sequels are there, by comparison the prequels were a masterpiece with some lows more than a mid-bad trilogy, which they never were!

Someone should remake all the videos on this channel without the crap jokes, ai dog pictures, music etc. It would be watchable then.