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We not only need more tastles on chaos marines, but marines with banners for both chaos and loyalists.

The delicious irony of Dave hating on the blue and white colour scheme of his childhood minis whilst wearing the blue and white TTT tee. Classic. 😂

I actually really like both styles of painting models but It all comes down to preference in my opinion. I know some people who prefer doing it the old way and some who prefer the newer methods but it really doesn't matter to me. We're all enjoying the same hobby!

Jenns painting has seriously improved since the channel came back! Awesome result with that bust 👏 also I still have some of the small paint tubs from the battle games magazines haha they are still usable too!

I really like the editing on this one! The old school cassette tape filter was nostalgic. Great video!

”Before you get to painting your amazing bust” had me giggling like a child 😂

oh all the way for the tassles. No matter where they are I always love seeing really old models that you guys have painted. Gives encouragement knowing we all get better!

I'd love to see Dave paint the same/similar old metal chaos Termi in the same colour scheme, but use new paints and techniques and try and make it look good 😂

A lovely trip down memory lane. When I got into miniature painting and warhammer originally I'd already been building quite a number of aircraft kits, so was fortunate to have more than the average tools available as a kid/teenager in the early 90s. I have always said that there is always things to learn from other modelling disciplines, especially military modelling for wargaming, though even model railways can give inspiration, especially in terrain techniques.

This is a... bizarre video for me to watch, as someone who's been painting for about 30 years now. The accurate description of the premise here is, "Let me compare how I painted miniatures as a child with very limited access to tools and paints, to how an adult with far greater access to tools and paints and more knowledge does things." Thirty years ago we weren't doing one single coat, much less twenty years ago. People knew full well what highlights and shading were. Aside from washes, I remember glazes and inks distinctly. Inks were fun because you could use them creatively in a similar way to Contrast paints. I remember experimenting and using Brown Ink over a white basecoat to act as dark leather. But I also would use Brown Ink over, say, Snakebite Leather to give quick shading to fur on Boars. A lot of people talk up using Nuln Oil and Agrax Earthshade washes over models for quick-and-dirty shading, but about 20 years ago we already had that method. I can't remember what it was that people would dip their minis in (before Army Painter released a straight up "dip" for miniatures), but the cleaner way of doing it was using Tamiya Smoke, which had a similar effect to what Nuln Oil does, only it was a bit shiny and would be kind of sticky until it fully dried. Wish I had better photos of when I was painting up some models. For a really good look at GW miniature painting from 20 years ago, I pulled out my copy of "How To Paint Citadel Miniatures" from 2003. Of course it mentions palettes, though not wet palettes yet. Desk lamp with special note for "daylight" bulbs for best lighting. A load of various modeling tools. In the section of paints it mentions inks and varnishes. Covers the usual techniques like drybrushing, blending, highlighting, mixing shades of paint to ease transitions, using glazes (I love the example of a Guardian painted orange, drybrushed white, then a yellow ink glaze over it to create yellow armor with strong shading), layering, extreme highlights, "staining", stippling, thinning paints, washes... (Fun note, it includes the idea of a "guide wash," basically the modern equivalent would be washing Agrax Earthshade over white to help show where all the detail is.) So yeah, this is a plenty fun look at "What can I do with my limited knowledge and availability then, versus what I'd have access to and knowledge of now?" But not even close to accurately showing how a lot of painters actually painted their models at the time. It wasn't as "stone age" as people seem to think.

I recently found all my dried paint pots from the lord of the rings magazine. I also found the mines of moria display stand for the fellowship. Im never going to paint it but as a fellow south-east Victorian, Table Top Time can have it if you want to paint it for a video.

I'll be honest I'm 27 and painted my first model much like you did as a kid but with good lighting... Which I knew I should thin my paints but did not know how to... I just learned recently that you dap you brush from the water to the paint and pull it aside... I just trying to mix paint into the water well like paint to paint... Now I know better. Which yes when you only have a "Base" Coat to work with it can take much longer like my model took me 13 hours half way though my paint sceme and I just though it was the mistakes and lack of brush control.

This was heaps of fun to do together. And Jenn's Mini came out stunning!

The busts are stunning!!!!

So... I actually shook my head... Should have gone all the way back to the 80s, before Citadel paints, back in the day when the only acrylic miniature paints really available were he Polly S line. :D

Mom: Go outside and play with the neighbor kids! Neighbor kid Dave: The first kill of worth my men sever the arm off and use the stump like a paintbrush, dab and scrape!

Great production guys and so cool having minis of yourselves.

Ok, I was like “why the hell is Jazza wearing a swimming cap”, context is important.

15:19 I still have those all sitting in my paint draw...I should really get back into painting but it's been 10 years and I think a lot of my paints have all dried up and died :(

Team tassels for sure. Also, while I loveee my wet palette, I do feel the painting scene has gotten kind of crazy.. I do miss the simpler times. Your gloopy Chaos boy has a special place in my heart.

I had the same Chaos Terminator model back in the day. Great video.

I fondly remember the first two minis (metal) I painted as a kid, using Liquitex brand tube acrylic paints then slathering gloss varnish over. So much bright white on one of them (with a line of black trim). Every now and then I search an old box for them. But maybe it’s better that I just keep the memory of them as being perfect 😄

What I would find more interesting is old tools and paints with new techniques.

As a Thousand Sons player, we have a lot of tassles...but not enough!

Love how he’s saying how much he hates the navy blue and white while sitting in front of the navy blue and white logo wall (and wearing a navy blue and white T-shirt) 😂😂

I want to see the old school model painted using modern tools and techniques and as much effort as possible

8:28 lmao I couldn't relate more being in the same position as a kid. Hahahahahah just surprised me.

Given I still have a few pots of the 1990s washes and use them fairly often and was taught a lot of behind the scenes tricks of the studio team whilst I worked in another area of the company around 2000... it's fun to see the emulation of an inexperienced paint technique but all the tools and tricks were already there (and in use) even back in the 90s amongst more experienced painters.

Holes on that bust are from stl printing supports? I usually if they are so visible use some kind of modeling putty

Took my family into warhammer the other day having been out of the hobby for quite a while, and the lack of metal figures was confusing. Watching my 7yo geek out though was well worth it!

Hehe...I have that Chaos dude in the metal...I have not painted him yet, you've inspired me!

Well, the point of learning how to paint is to face the thing that you previously did an understand why it's not good (or suck, in the worst case scenario). I remember my first use of wash, it made an ugly reult on the skin, as nobody explained me the process of going back to paint highlights (something like 30 years ago ^^). So, during years, I never used washes, and discover by myself the principle of layering and highlighting. Of course, had I got youtube and tutorials back in the days, I would get it all way faster. On the other hand, learning patiently by yourself helps you to discover your style, your preferences and get to your very own way. Now, as I went back to the miniature hobby as an adult, I use the mix of "official" techniques and colors choices and advance principles like color theory and opposite colors, using whashes, inks and various paints from different brands and getting my own variations, color schemes and personal style. So, thank you guys to brought me back to my teenager years ^^ !

Lol, I too was a child of divorce Dave. I played Nids as a kid and at 13 disturbed some people at my LGS with my plans for the Hive Tyrant. I was asking if people had extra guardsman bits because I wanted to make a meat nest for the Hive Tyrant to protect, I was gonna put ripper swarms in there too and have the Hive Tyrant feeding them with other flesh. I still have messed up army ideas (Thinking of doing a GSC army inspired by the LA homeless and skid row) but nothing that is in bad taste in a gory way.

I really want to collect and paint old school WH40k army. Back in the late 90. i was young kid in Poland so this expensive hobby was way above my budget. Now I have current flashy miniatures, but there is still this kid inside me who is in love with mono pose plastic models with oldschool painting.

I clipped the tassels off the berserker axes and turned them into mohawks.

As someone who's kept up passively with the hobby but hasn't actually PLAYED any 40K since...maybe 2nd ed? This was really interesting! Thanks!

Dave! Paint a modern Chaos Lord in Terminator Armor in a fully modernized version of your old color scheme!

Love Gen's paintbrush. Can I know witch set it is, please?

I need tassels for my vassals, as old grandpappy Nurgle used to say.

What is the use of wet palettes? Isn't it only good for batch painting or am I missing something?

I discovered dry brushing and some basic uses of the GW inks back in the late 90's.

I really love the look of the older painting style but gosh that bust looks so good. i can’t decide which i like more

Watching unthinned paint being used is actually going to give me nightmares!

Jen finally redo her hair ! xD Btw, im still painting in "oldschool" way, that's how ive start as a kid

You gotta remember that these two styles have very different goals. The emulation of a teenager painting minis to play with versus an adult painting a bust for the sake of painting it well.

Would love to see you paint old minis with new paint/equip and paint new minis with old paint/equip to see the difference

Now we need to see you guys switch and see a basic rogue trader bust and a super updated chaos space marine.

Probably Jen's best work yet 🔥🔥

I literally haven’t painted miniatures since the ones I got from a battle for middle earth magazine back in maybe 2004. So this was really interesting

You went back in time for a moment with thar Terminator my friend. Nice. I still love metal miniatures. What a great video. ❤👍³

Seraphim sepia, devlan mud and leviathan purple, oh how I miss you Q_Q

Heck, you call those vintage washes? I just found a few hex pot washes and inks :) still good!

would like to see Dave paint an old termie with the new skills and tools as a contrast! then Jen paints a NEW termie with those colors!

Wow that bust is savage, Jen is painting like a pro nowadays!

As someone who started recently (~2 years ago), I've come to find modern metal models are real nice. Corvus Belli's Infinity game is full of them, and while they're a little different to put together, they're very detailed, and the heft after painting them makes them feel better on the table.

Yes! less demon flesh and more tassels. I have this terminator set , one of my favs.

Omfg I love Jen’s hair at the con

LOL this is still how I paint. Probably the reason my pile of shame is so big

I would have liked to seen Dave paint the terminator using the same tools he did, but not limit himself to the globby one coat painting. I think the result would have been night and day. I think technique is way more important to outcome. Tools don't instantly make you good (at anything). They just make doing a thing easier using the knowledge and experience you have.

Those TTT Busts came out really well; especially Jen and Murray's.

Man it was so good when GW did the buy two get the third thing free.

Do you have tutorials on beginners miniature painting?

Would love to see a revamped chaos terminator.

MOAR Tassels, Spikes & Skulls!

Indeed, so much has changed with the paint range from GW... No more 'Smelly Primer', By The Emperor am I aging myself with that... And the taste was never the same, as in after washing the brush, twisting it between your lips to get the point nice again... Not actually drinking the paint... 😅

I wanna see a Chaos boy painted with that old scheme with modern techniques. I think the navy and white could look pretty good with shading. ...and blood for the blood god for maximum carnage.

I expected the second half of this video to be exciting but it was a bust HAHHAAHHAAAHAA*snort*hahhaaahaaa!!!

Omg jen you are beautiful and amazing with your talents. Also good job Dave you did the best with what you had 👏

That CSM chapter logo idea IS metal!

I love your hair. (who's meant? Fight over it.)

Omg Dave, I still have some of those washes. They smell like the grave

I had Citadel washes in the mid 90's though? Still got a pot actually, the paint is still good

Just gotta wait for Slaanesh aligned marines to get refreshed for the tassels... *cough*

What airbrush was she using?

Team Tassels! Washes and glazes make such a difference! Great comparison!

Those busts are amazing.

Couldnt get in my local gameswork shop as a kid cause they always kicked you out without adult supervision...

Really fascinating watch

If you want the actual old school GW paints, they are still produced by Coat D'Arms, the original producer for GW... they actually produce P3 too.

Oooo new video

Yes Jen! Keep Dave honest! Sooo 10th edition battle report? 😂 yeah I had to make some pretty bad colour choices with those middle earth paints. Maybe it's finally time to paint my metal Lurtz! Hahahaha

No washes? In second edition 40k we knew to mix the paint with water to make our own wash.

Ooh ooh, sell tassel STLs and physical prints! 😂

Ah I thought Jen would then paint the same metal chaos marine but using modern techniques, so there'd be a good comparison.

Acrylics how modern i started using revel enamel paint from the hobby shops

Tassels and Renegade space Marines for Life!!!!

I’m down for tassels.

I like "My color scheme is so ugly, white on blue" looks at shirt... hmmmm lol

I think an agent or chaos would sport pasties rather than tassles

'I come from a family of divorce'. So darkly funny. I imagine 10 year old Dave would be impressed with that paint job but me......oh my, within the context of your limitations it is good but just give it a sneaky flesh wash on the face.

Slaanesh definitely needs tassels. Over certain areas......

The old paints did smell better!

Is it FTㅋ or Tㅂ?

you have the knowledge so you cant reproduce the 90s if i just had youtube i would have been such a better painter

I love them being critical on the white and blue,... When the entire TTT brand is white an blue, look at your shirt, look at the wall behind you

So this is a fun video, but also not that true to the good old days. The pigment opacity of modern paints. Including Vallejo, is much more opaque then late 90s/early 20s GW paint. An I the only one that started with craft paints and did not move to citadel paints until i had been collecting for almost 10 years. Course I started collecting GW minis in 1989, so... I am old. Chaos should have spikes and tassels.

'One THICK coat' ;-p

Not sure I saw the point of this one. "If you paint like your 10 year old self then your paint job is going to look like your 10 year old self painted it." Well, yes.

By all the ruinous powers of the warp, Chaos should have less trim. I think trim is GW punishing us for heresy.