Fiddling was always an option. Still is.

The fact that the 25 1.8 is such a popular lens just shows how spot on the designers of the various 50 mm Gaussian lens were. That focal length has stood the test of time, the Leica M Summicron f2 being perhaps the finest example.

Great combo - I use the same.

Thanks.

me too they are great lenses ! best standard zoom imho

I've got these two too. I like them both. But for action motivs the 17mm autofocus is too slow. So I'm I thinking about buying the 25mm 1.2 (I don't own the 25mm 1.8). Do you think that could be an approvement?

Thanks.

The DOF scale should be on every lens, I agree.

Oldfogey Oldfogey , great comment. Allows you to use your mind for auto focus.

Awesome, thank you! Olympus will be around for a while so no change in my channel what comes to the content.

Thanks!

That is a good point about the humidity. Thanks for sharing.

alborada777 , thanks for you comment.

I also like the 17mm f1.8. It is a great lens.

Great to hear!

Stanislav Samolenkov , thanks for the additional information.

Thank you. I hope you enjoy your 25mm f1.8 when you get it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That is also a good idea.

Many thanks!

Thank you.

True.

Yes, it is nice a small. What are going to photograph with it?

No, focus stacking is not available with PRO primes.

Focus stacking is only available with certain lenses and bodies. Here is a list of those lenses: cs.olympus-imaging.jp/en/support/imsg/digicamera/qa/products/em1m2/#08

You are well covered. Old Zuiko lenses are very good.

Peter Budd , like the 25mm f/1.4 from Panasonic that is weather-sealed ...

@@hnahler yes but I don't usually mix makes. Otherwise I would have bought the Pana 100-400 by now :-(

yoyo chan , it’s a great lens but it is big and heavy, particularly on an em-10. I would really try it out in a shop first to feel the balance.

I'm in the same boat except for the traveling. I have managed to get the EZ lens, 30mm macro, and the 40-150 R lens into the bag that came with the kit, as long as the R or the macro are on the camera when it goes into the bag (the EZ goes in the front pouch). You should be able to fit the 12-40 instead of the R or macro and still keep the EZ handy for when you need to lighten up even further.

The 12-40mm f2.8 is a great lens. As Hendrik mentioned is a bit big for E-M10 cameras, but if you have change to test it how it feels. Do that.

If I remember correctly niether one of these are. The list that OM SYSTEM has is correct.

I have Voigt lens. It is challenging to focus correctly. I sometimes wanna sell it, but the image quality is always better than Oly F2 lens. So I keep it.

I have a SLR Magic T0,95 lens. It is a wonderful lens. I use it for video sometimes. Never tested Voightlander. Hear that they are also very good.

lethansolobe Assuming that the build quality of Voigt lenses is same for all units, I’d say this just requires some practice. I personally use focus peaking + focus magnification, to help with it. I’ve got enough experience with MF to be able to get all my pics taken with this lens in focus... if the subject is not moving.

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks for watching!

Mitakon sounds interesting. Never tried them. f0,95 is fast.

I think he is on. Was chatting with him in Messenger a few days ago. Malesian goverment made a turn and YouTubing is ok.

Ricoh GR

Thanks. Yes it is. Image was taken a few years ago.

I am considering the Lumix 30mm macro. It is sharp, no distortion, stablized, and made in Japan, for $298 in USA right now. I do have the 25mm f1.7 China lens, and it is good. The 30mm is a cut above. Take a look at DXOMARK and the many reviews --- the 30mm macro just kills the competition in every way, at a decent price. -Loren lorenschwiderski.smugmug.com/

Unfortunately I do not know the reason. It can be a technical thing. It strange anyways that it is not.

I do have videos about those lenses. 17mm f.18: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qadhfLhqvL--nXk.html 30mm f3.6 Macro: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l6dojLpe0rfDhnU.html 60mm f2.8 Macro: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r9yZpbadyN-tonU.html

If you can then you should try.

I own the panasonic 25 1.7 too and i really dont like it . It renders the colors yellowish and its not sharp at all if you shoot at 1.7 i was very disapointed to see the cheapest kit lense 12-32mm is twice as sharp wide open. The 25. 1.7 is not usuable at 1.7. it is cheap yes but its not worth it . Its the only lense i regret buying

No it is not he lens. Do you have some special features on? What camera body you have?

That is a tough choice. Both choices have their advantages. Having only one lens is convinient, but very seldom having one lens is enough. A fast prime for low light moments is good to have. I need to think about that and see if that is something I can make a video about.

Peter Forsgård , agree that is a difficult one. I faced that question when the sales guy offer me the 12-40mm with the argument of being one do it all to carry around, I ended up buying the 17mm f1.8 to use in low light on the street and the 14-150mm II for outdoor travels. I am happy but I still think about that 12-40PRO too as a good travel do it all. I would like to see you pointing the pros and cons of each choice : do it all pro f2.8 vs standard primes set f1.8-f2

I can tell you my experience with Panasonic lenses (12-35mm/f2.8, 20mm/f1.7, 12-60/f3.5-5.6, olympus 45mm/f1.8). I would not buy 12-35/f2.8 today. Olympus lenses may differ in characteristics and flaws, but conclusion would be likely the same. 12-35/f2.8 has it's use: bad weather, dull sky, lower light conditions. I mean autumn and winter walks. In other cases, there is always better option. 12-60mm/f3.5-5.6 is just as sharp, it does not suffer from lens flare so much (despite not being advertised as having nano-coating). It has more versatile zoom range, size is roughly the same and it's lighter. Only disadvantage is aperture when it matters and not so smooth zoom for video (you always somewhat rotate whole camera with zoom ring). So this is my all-round lens for summer and travelling. 20mm/f1.7 is old lens (autumn 2009!) with slow focus and no IS, but it's by far superior than f2.8 zoom for various indoor social events. You can set shutter speed to 1/60s or 1/100s and difference between f1.7 and f2.8 can be ISO800 and ISO2500. It has quite nice bokeh. 45mm/f1.8 is great for portraits and kids Basically what I want is low aperture sacrificing zoom. For zoom lenses, I would prefer zoom range and weight saving sacrificing aperture. Zoom with medium aperture sits in the middle, it can somewhat do all, but it's rarely the best option. NOTE: it can be best option, but 12-60 is too good for the price (especially in sets) and situation may differ for Olympus lenses. And I did not considered use for videos.

Pavel Peřina, Thanks for you comments. Seems to agree with my initial reasoning when buying the 17mm f1.8 plus 14-150mm II. Your Pana 20 f1.7 is a great little lens, I also tried that but ended up buying the Oly 17 for the extra wide angle, clutch and faster auto focus on Olympus body. Anyhow I totally agree with your point on the importance of fast lenses for M43 sensors, specially for indoors and low light situations. Oly's 45mm f1.8 is one of the best sellers, appreciated for the IQ/value, that is on my wish list.

@@Ed-bj5eq You are welcome. I forgot one use and it's taking hand held photos of the city after sunset.

Most likely small water drop wont do any harm, but I would still be careful if the body or lens is not weather proof.

The elements in the F1.2 are bigger and heavier, you need more motor power to drive the focussing process.

@@brianlaunchbury4491 Ahhh makes sense. Thank you!

Stephen Mason, I love that lens, too. It’s often on my E-M1 when around on my walks in Scotland where rain is always on the cards. It’s great because it’s light, weather-sealed and can do very good close ups of flowers or insects. I often prefer it over my 12-40 Pro which is heavy and not good for close-ups, not to mention that those additional 10mm are really convenient for wildlife. It’s a shame they don’t make that lens anymore. But when it comes to street photography, the 25mm or 17mm prime come out. They are sharper and just so much faster. - As Peter said, it depends on what you are using the lens for.

When you upgrade to an EM-5 or EM-1, your sealed lenses can be used on the sealed body and you can take photos in rain/dust/cold.

M.Zuiko 12-50mm is a good lens. One reason to the get Pro lens is if you need a weather sealed lens. But then you also need a weather sealed body.

That is true. It is like FF standard is close to 40mm than 50mm. I think the reason is that it was easier to make a 50mm lens than a 42mm. Not sure if that is the reason.

Have not tested it, so cannot really say anything.

@@ForsgardPeter as an Olympus representative the best thing you can do is have knowledge of competing products

Your Lumix lens is a fine lens and if you got it for a good price, keep it.

I have the Panasonic 25mm f/1.7 and it's not a bad lens. I believe Rob Trek did a video a while back which showed that the video autofocus on it is slower than the Olympus 25mm f/1.8 when used with an Olympus camera, but I have found it to be fine for stills. Sometimes it will hunt a little bit with a moving subject in low light, but that's true of most any lens. However, when you consider that you can often get a brand new one cheaper than a used or refurbished Olympus 25mm, it's hard not to like that lens. And it's sharp enough that I don't hesitate to use it wide open. I haven't used the Olympus or Sigma 25mm and 30mm lenses so I can't compare it to those, but I haven't experienced any issues with this lens being extraordinarily soft wide open or producing a lot of chromatic aberration or anything like that. In fact, the only mft lens I have sold due to image quality issues is the Olympus 45mm f/1.8.

Panasonic 25 mm f1.7 lens are as good as M.Zuiko 25 mm f1.8. In my opinion, Panasonic better renders colours while M.Zuiko slightly sharper as wide open.

Pana lenses are great lenses. I still recommend using M.Zuiko lenses on Olympus bodies. One thing is the af speed that was mentioned.

​@@ForsgardPeter I don't think most people will notice any difference in autofocus speed between the Panasonic, Olympus, and Sigma lenses for stills, with a few exceptions like the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7, which is notoriously slow to focus. However, if you use autofocus for video, the autofocus will probably be the deciding factor. For sports and wildlife photography, you definitely want a camera and lens from the same manufacturer in order to get continuous autofocus in burst mode, but for most people shopping for a 25mm lens, that's probably not a big deal. And don't rule out the Sigma lenses. The Sigma 30mm f/1.4 has been around long enough that I've seen it going used for close to $200 in the U.S. and according to dxomark.com, it is brighter than the Olympus 25mm f/1.2! So that may be another alternative for those who prefer a slightly longer standard lens and don't need weather sealing. It's a lot bigger and heavier than the 25mm f/1.7 and f/1.8 lenses though!

These are lenses of different classes. M.Zuiko 25 mm f1.2 one can compare with Panaleica 25 mm f1.4.

The difference is about one stop from 1.2 to 1.7.

@@ForsgardPeter One stop from f1.2 will be f1.4.

@@sstansm7f From f1.2 to f1.4 is 1/3 of stop.

@@ForsgardPeter The F-stop factor is square root of 2 - 1.414. 1.4x1.414 = 2, 2x1.414=2.8, 2.8x1.414=4, 4х1.414=5.6, 5.6x1.414=8 - results bit rounded. But you are right 1.2x1.414=1.7. Really one stop.

Dragonfire 2701119 , it is always a shame when a company develops a great product the public under appreciates or cab not afford.

It is not equivalent to f2.4. The aperture is f1.2 when we talk about the exposure. The dof is equivalent to f2.4.

@@ForsgardPeter yes, i do agree with you. But nowadays we do have very sensitive sensors, thus usually we no longer fight for more light like in the past. Nowadays we fight for shallow dof. On the other hand sometimes people wish it to be so shallow that it is just unusable and yes, full frame dof is often too shallow (but what to do, people are crazy on this)... I may be wrong of course.

I know it is a bit confusing.