The Polygon trilogy had so much wasted potential. Like, each movie has at least one amazing idea that could have been expanded on. Godzilla becoming the apex lifeform so the earth has to adapt to him. A city finally fighting back against Godzilla because of Mechagodzilla city. Lovecraftian Ghidorah was such a good idea that they revisited a similar premise for Singular Point (Which I enjoyed, but totally understand why some people don’t.) But what we got was just a collection of bad anime tropes and multiple laughably bad attempts at being deep and mature.

The lying in debates thing is very annoying. I had someone try to convince people that the MV didn’t use mocap for its SFX and the sad thing is it worked on some people. The debate was about whether MV Godzilla is a “real” Godzilla. My opponent said that since the MV doesn’t use suits they don’t count, but Shin uses mocap so it counts. They just straight up lied about MV not using mocap. Like you said, if you have to lie to defend a point is the point worth defending?

Oh boy. It’s my old farce of a friend, the Polygon Anime Trilogy…here to show us that slow, boring paced storytelling and fake out marketing is still “vastly superior” despite Hollywood beating them to the punch in terms of having a better representation of King Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla

The reason why Godzilla: King of the Monsters is my favorite Godzilla film is because it explores the biblical allegory that has done well much better than The Planet Eater.

didn't this movie literally use the Mothra religion as a way to stop Ghidorah though? that kinda undermines the supposed anti religion thing.

The 3rd film felt like an episode of Ancient Aliens which was playing out in congress hearings the other day.

Even as an atheist who sees at least some religions as harmful cults promoted by power hungry charlatans, the whole anti-religion message of the 3rd film felt incredibly shallow and I rolled my eyes when I heard it. It wouldn't be so bad if it was at least consistent throughout the plot with Mephitus' whole Ghidorah clut, but Mothra and her people are an example of a good religion and it's not presented as though Mephitus or even anyone else who says religion is just propaganda are simply mistaken in their beliefs. No, it's just a straight contradiction that feels like the writer just wanted to show their opinion of religion into the story without it actually meaning anything narrativlly speaking. The irony is that Godzilla King of the Monsters has loads of religious/mythological undertones throughout the film and I love it for that because of how well intrigued into the story and how portraying the kaiju as living gods feels very fitting for the franchise as a whole.

Its still feels weird how we have a trilogy of freakin' Godzilla anime movies PLUS a series, yet I have no interest in sitting through any of them.

As someone who used to be religious at the time the film came out I honestly thought Planet Eater did a bad job of criticizing religion even upon a recent rewatch

I immediately rolled my eyes when you menrioned this person tried to gaslight you. I hated the trilogy and put out some memories of it but i still remember which character delivered that tirade.

So-called "kaiju twitter" is a stain on the fandom but bad takes is hardly its biggest issue.

I'm always baffled when people decide to go to bat for something and insist, not that while it may have flaws that there are some things they like about it, or perhaps that they like it despite it's flaws. Instead they argue that there are in fact no flaws and that you are bad in some way for taking issue with whatever they are defending. The polygon trilogy has a lot of problems Pointing them out isn't a bad thing. on a similar note I've noticed a lot of people defending the Godzilla series in general with takes that effectively come down to "Well it was always bad so this is fine." Like I was under the impression that we liked Godzilla and wanted it to prosper pointing out flaws and giving criticism isn't the same as making excuses for something and claiming that standards don't matter. Seriously I feel like I'm losing my mind in these conversations sometimes.

Victor Hugo's The Hunchback of Notre Dame could be considered anti-religion, with it's subject material, though it maybe more anti-church. I think Gen Urobuchi did the anti-religion message a little better in the final few episodes of Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet. But in terms of movies I think 'When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth' from 1970 is a better Anti-religion movie, I mean really think about it, the whole plot of the movie is about a blonde girl trying to escape from her radical tribe who wants to sacrifice her, then said tribe goes to another tribe and flat out converts them to their religion. The movie visually shows how religion could build a community and unite people, while showing how it could also corrupt and make them commit horrendous acts. Woah! Did I just say that a movie from the 1970s with mute cavegirls in skimpy bikinis and stop motion dinosaurs provided a better anti-religion message than a trilogy of films made in the late 2010s? Perhaps I'm wrong, what do you think?

I'm a religious guy myself, and while I'm no lover or ardent defender of the Anime trilogy(or even much of a defender at all outside of "it tried some interesting things and ultimately was a swing and a miss").....I don't know if a film calling "A" religion bad, especially a fictional death cult religion....is necessarily the film calling "ALL" religion bad. I have not referenced the dialogue specifically, but even still....one particular character, a scientist in particular whose major experience with religion is a death cult....having an "anti-religious" perspective doesn't necessarily make me feel like the movie as a whole is operating as some staunch opposer of any and all religion. It is certainly a pronged point being made, but I'm not sure if it is meant to be the entire thesis of the film. Especially since we are being shown a very fictional setting with very extreme circumstances....it didn't necessarily feel like a "forced agenda" to me. Although I haven't watched it in a good long while...so there is a chance that if I saw that specific dialogue scene again, it might rub me a little worse than it did a few years ago, when my own walk in faith wasn't nearly as progressed as it is now. But generally, I think the anime trilogy has much more basic and fundamental issues holding it back beyond some anti-religious sentiment. I'm comfortable enough with my own faith that such jargon, especially in a very outlandish context like this, doesn't really get a rise out of me. Certainly nothing compared to the "stereotypical Bible waiving Christian extremist" that many Hollywood productions like to force in over and over.

Could you also try countering defenses given to Singular Point?

I think I have an idea of whom you're referring to but I won't say anything else.

Exactly, don’t believe them! Seriously what do they know about these movies?

Hello Omni Viewer, your probably already over on this though as you said at the end but I like to share my opinion on this film subject as well. I hope you take the time to read this on your free time because there a huge contradiction on the film lesson which I have to bring up that no one discussed. If you take the time to read this whole comment you have my thanks for taking time to reading this. I'll continued to watch your program related to kaiju or any similar media we both share on your channel. I'm know, I'm late in this discussion and I have finished your video on your though. I like to throw in my honest thought on the subject too but I'm not defending the person on excuses nor am I saying this film isn't "anti-religious" coming from a religious man like myself quite the opposite. What my thoughts on this is simply that this film is a terrible executed take on a anti-religious message. How well simply their are two religious group. The one we mainly focus on is Exifs more importantly Metphies alien religious zealots being the film and series focus on this main religious factors that we as an audience categorize as every zealot religious group, even though there factors goes into a more Occult groups category. But the film is deeming them as film message of why organize religion is foolish from critical and political aspect in society. You even said that Dr.Martin was this film and writer mouthpieces to give clear to that message, however I like to re-iterate why this anti-religious message was poorly executed. Because As i said their two religious groups and one that Dr.Martin and the film seem to make an exception to the rule. '"Who' you asked ?" said no one. Why the Houtua tribes. That who. Even though they aren't zealot tribes but they have a religion based around the protection of Mothra and from the fear of Godzilla Earth. Yet we forget they are religious just more primal way than factors class. Even when Metphies plan is expose who do martin and Maina turn to for help to get through Haruo under Metphies Trace and who intervene in the dream state that right! Mothra! the Houtua tribes deity. Even martin is rooting for Godzilla Earth to fight against this noodlehead Lovecraftian Ghidorah. And after Haruo suicide sacrifice himself to Godzilla Earth to be destroy to purge humanity's past hatred, The Houtua tribes now made traditional ritual based around Haruo's Sacrifice. my point being for an anti-religious message film it seem to favor one side over the other. My Stance is similar LINKARA AT4W"Superman at World's ends" review where that comic stance was "You can't have an anti-gun message when you clearly had gun solve the problem. My saying is simply that "You can't have an anti-religious message when clearly their one of the religion that help solve the conflict." Now normally you can argue that Mothra didn't solve the problem it was Houtua own willed to fight against Metphies own influence that help severs Ghidorah ties to earth dimension. But it was thanks to interventions from Mothra, Maina and Martin that help Haruo get the clues to stop Ghidorah from consuming planet earth. if the going to go through with it having an anti-religious message then Houtua tribes should not have work and their following and worshipping Mothra should have been a farces when Mothra egg was dead, the only Houtua tribes telepathic influences was from mankind own self state of evolution or adaption of their new environment. no divine intervention from Mothra what's so ever. That would help its anti-religious message. But no, it actually favors the Houtua tribes even the surviving remaining human integrate into the Houtua tribes, If it was for Haruo action Dr.Martin would have restart humanity advance technology from the remain of the Vulture mech using the Nanometal made by the Bilusaludo alien bring back mankind struggle to fight against Godzilla Earth Possibly bring back Ghidorah(If we going by Metphies message from Haruo head). The films fails at its anti religious message is what I'm trying to say. Thank you for taking time to read this critique rant or opinion. I know my paragraph is pretty much to simplistic, I've also want to apologies for any spelling errors, grammars and bad paragraphs. I promises I'll do a better job on the next discussion with a better though out critique.

Blunova LMFAOOOO

I have only seen Planet of the monsters of the three movies, and I thought it was ok, nothing great but nothing terrible either, but I do understand why so many people hate it and I respect them. but the fact that they are still people out there defending it as some sort of philosophical masterpiece is absolutely laughable

How can anyone defend thst horrendous trilogy

It’s been some years and I actually kinda forgot the anime trilogy existed. It’s such a bland and forgettable film trilogy.

I NEVER watched the planet eater fully. I just watched the fights and pretty much stopped watching it. I didn't know there was an anti religion message in the film.....

The Polygon trilogy seems to have brought out some of the very worst in kaiju fandom over the years since its release.

reminds me of the whole "oh maybe the writers were given too many restrictions", but that excuse sucks ass for the fight vs Ghidorah. Ghidorah as a whole is the most pathetic portrayal i'd ever seen. runs away while being hit once and...that is it? this is why the movie got so marketed? a bite and a slap? Thank GOD Legendary Ghidorah is an actual character who got three fights. I refuse to believe Toho would mandate a Godzilla that did *jack shit*. I can't, specially for fighting movies. So, until i see proof, i feel that is the fault of the animators and writers.

the only good thing that came out of this is the prequel story which honestly should had be what the polygon films.

Have you seen Blunova videos on the trilogy?

Didn't you say you would one day make a video explaining why Anime Mechagodzilla could be dangerous to the rest of the Godzilla franchise?

Twitter changes its name to X *Angry Kozerah noises*

I'm not sure it's a lie, exactly: Mephtius was basically using some basic religious and theistic forms to trick people into doing what he wanted, and his own religious goals were nihilistic in the extreme. He's the embodiment of the secular Dr. Martin's casual complaints (with the Mothra cult being a different form of those complaints -- specifically what Dr. Martin has in mind and in view 20 minutes into Film 3). Also, when Mephtius starts spelling out his actual beliefs toward the end, he isn't exactly a fan of positive religion per se either. So I could understand someone mis-remembering Mephtius as the source of Dr. Martin's more mundane declaration: Mephtius is a lot more flashy (in several ways), and he's the chief in-story example of how religious belief, whether sincerely believed or not (or both in his case), ruins everything. That doesn't make the trilogy good, of course. Not by a long shot. Nor would being pro-religious make this trilogy good.

interesting video...

Really the only defenses I can give for the Polygon Trilogy is Godzilla having new cool abilities that I’d like to see come back and the premise of the story’s setting. That’s it. But like everything else they were wasted. So much awesome ideas wasted (and don’t get me started on Singular Point which I’d argue is actually worse than the Polygon Trilogy)

Anytime u can tear down the polygon trilogy is a good time Omni

This subject reminds me of how the prequel haters try to convince people that the prequel trilogy was the worst thing to happen to the Star Wars franchise only 4 the world to c how good they r, were or ever will b compared to the sequel trilogy

-_- Why is this important to you?

Hey Omni!

I interested in your opinion on Jurassic World: Camp Cretaceous, but have not gotten a response. If planning to make a video on it, then please let me know.

I don't want to watch those movies again please don't make me

I have mixed feelings on the trilogy on one hand I didn’t really care about the humans characters and only enjoyed the Godzilla part but on the other hand Godzillas design was a perfect adaptation of his classic look but making him look threatening.

That whole series was lost potential. There was plenty of stuff that could and should have made great story lines but they either ignored it or trivialized it to the point of irrelevance. I'm taking your word, Omni Viewer. I can't go back and watch it again. Not even for a few minutes.

Still better than the heisei and millennium movies

Well to be fair Mr Collins, this guy rattling off his defence of the trilogy at a breakneck pace, forcing you to go to your channel to give your take of him doing such, as well as explain your counter argument, is actually no different than your tactics of skillfully ignoring intelligent, respectful, comments, while giving priority to comments you happen to agree with. Dont believe me? Scan over your comment sections from a few months back, where you were "supposedly " upset about new owners of books you happen to like, changing the contents into something more acceptable to a wider audience. You talked about the first amendment, & those books being just fine as is, yet somehow ignored DeSantis flat out yanking books HE declared unfit for Florida classrooms, offering non stances like oh its a parents thing, none of an authors buisness etc. And no, im not saying you refused to engage with just me, you refused several opportunities to explain the blatant double standard we noticed. Go ahead, take a look at what you answered & what was ignored. Its breathtaking considering you claim to be a follower or the word, & the word spells out whats right, & whats wrong. Bearing a false witness comes to mind firstly.