One Month with GNOME Web / Epiphany was NOT FUN

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00:00 Intro
00:27 Sponsor: this is better than a VPN
01:21 The Good Stuff
03:57 Website Compatibility
06:13 Video Playback
08:11 Password Management
09:56 What will I use, then?
First, Epiphany looks RIGHT. If you're using a GTK desktop, or even a Plasma desktop with a correct GTK theme set, it looks really nice.
Second, Epiphany just so happens to share Safari's rendering engine, and generally, when I identify a bug on Epiphany, it's also going to happen on Safari, so it's a nice way to debug for what my previous boss uses.
Third, Epiphany syncs with my Firefox account.
Fourth, EPiphany, on a laptop, has 2 finger swieps to go back and forward, which is an amazing way to navigate using a touchpad, and *why are other browsers not doing it, seriously.*
And, finally, Epiphany doesn't come with an overload of features.
First, the website compatibility: Epiphany has issues on that front. It might use Safari's rendering engine, but it's surprisingly less capable. Here are a few examples I happened upon:
Epiphany triggers A LOT of "are you a bot" dialogs. In the startpage search engine, especially, I get blocked all the time, because it seems to think I'm making suspiscious requests.
On top of that, EPiphany is heavier than Firefox, that I used before.
Next issue, the video playback. KZfaq on Epihany is basically a 50/50 thing. You can play any video you want, provided you're playing it from the start. If you're trying to resume a video you've watched but not finished? Won't work. If you're trying to move forwards in a video? Nope, doesn't work. If you try to go back to the beginning, it might resume playback, but not always.
This is probably the WORST problem I have with Epiphany, and keep in mind it happens both on my laptop and my dsktop, both with beefy CPUS, and with mesa drivers or with nvidia proprietary drivers.
The sync with Firefox isn't super reliable. I often get an issue telling me the sync secret is invalid, and realize nothing has been synced for a while. But that's manageable, I just re-login to the Firefox account, and sync starts again. Not perfect, but it's OK.
No, the real issue is taht Epiphany doesn't really fill login forms on a lot of websites. On my accounting software, it doesn't fill either of the fields, login, or password. On the website I work as a freelance product owner, it doesn't auto fill either, and while it offers a list of logins, selecting them with the mouse doesn't work, using the arrow keys doesn't select them in the right order, and doesn't have any visual feedback, and it won't fill the password field.

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@TheLinuxEXP 2 жыл бұрын

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@SirRFI 2 жыл бұрын

Looks promising. Last time I tried it the GUI was mostly not functional, so for now waiting for it to become more useable.

@nothingtoseeherelolkek 2 жыл бұрын

@@SirRFI nah, it’s still most of the times doesn’t show notifications or buttons on notifications doesn’t work

@abdallahtarek3602 2 жыл бұрын

Make video about accessibility in Linux

@Ghoxtfire 2 жыл бұрын

JUST USE CHROMIUM

@jongeduard 2 жыл бұрын

"Portmaster". Offtopic, I know, but what a badly chosen name, sorry that I need to say it. Because it's totally duplicate, since a completely different thing in with that same name exists, namely for FreeBSD. The developers should have verified that in my opinion. And I am not even mentioning that some people today are offended by the word "master", so that's already a reason not to chose that name for new stuff

@kevinbreen4510 2 жыл бұрын

Nick, I'm so entirely impressed you managed a full month and didn't lose all your hair. I wish Epiphany was better as well since we all like having non chrome options. Maybe your video will help?

@TheLinuxEXP 2 жыл бұрын

I wish it did better as well!

@HoussamElbadissi 2 жыл бұрын

@@undefined879 as if you've done anything helpful like this. a browser is one of the most complicated pieces of software we use and it's just not easy to get right. Still, having a small team of individual contributors get something like this to life (without basing it on chrome like every new startup does) is incredible and is such ana awesome feat. If you can actually help these people, then do it. I don't see a reason to blame and rant about people who do all they do with good faith and for the benefit of everyone.

@benygh911 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP Nick _"mi Amigo"_ GeT in Contact with Andy from Linuses [LTT] Channels, as YOU said HE may Bring up the issue in front of *Millions* of suscribers and they may Actually DO something 😁👍

@PHDWhom 2 жыл бұрын

@BoulderBro999 why? suck on that? Super helpful input. For people that need to get work done, and in a web browser, Gnome Web is simply not good enough. It has nothing to do with the size of the team, or not being grateful for free software. Web is not bad, but it’s absolutely not something I could use, for example, for school. Or work. This is the reality of the situation, and why so many Linux users use it to download Chrome or Firefox.

@benygh911 2 жыл бұрын

@@skulver INDeeeeeeD Brother, I harbour Nothing but Great-fullness towards them and their Efforts out of the Kindness of their heart as someone said in this thread, I just Tried to help with that idea, GreeTs and GOD Bless you ALL..† 😀✌️

@akza0729 2 жыл бұрын

Well... At least it looks clean. Also I think we need to hire famous influencers so that developers actually fix these issues rather than being offended for pointing out a bug. As I said, the power of famous influencers is just amazing. Fix the bugs, KDE finally going a bit more minimalist and noob friendly ( supposedly ). LTT just set many things on fire. I wonder if he used Chrome in Linux. Because Chromium scrolling sensitivity is so bad in Linux, with mouse wheels that almost everyone use Firefox. So bad that there is a dedicated extension named "Linux Scroll Speed Fix".

@arinkhandelwal 2 жыл бұрын

Yes I had the same issue with chromium on Linux. I spent an hour trying to fix the scroll speed issue but still wasn't able to since it required something with changing some vague xinput settings in the terminal and all the guides I found were convoluted. In the end I just gave up and went back to Firefox with its smooth scrolling

@vellfire_9938 2 жыл бұрын

Wait so I’m not weird for installing a scrolling speed extension? Thought it was just me!

@MyurrDurr 2 жыл бұрын

What scrolling issue?

@khankbar 2 жыл бұрын

Hire famous influencers? You're actually such a genius. How about we give that money to developers instead? Ever thought about that option?

@akza0729 2 жыл бұрын

@@MyurrDurr low sensitivity on mouse. While you can move on screen with a one scroll on MS Windows, Linux needs 3-4 scrolls. Probably doesn't apply to people with exotic mouse ( not sure ). In Xorg, you can use IMWheel to handle it but in Wayland, so far no choice but browser extensions. Touchpads aren't affected.

@amano_akane 2 жыл бұрын

It's ok Nick, we're all weirdos.

@TheLinuxEXP 2 жыл бұрын

Hahah I guess so!

@arandomfox999 2 жыл бұрын

Speak for yourself! I am perfectly no... Oh wait... No.

@erdemyilmaz6172 2 жыл бұрын

Eat your cereal

@amano_akane 2 жыл бұрын

@@erdemyilmaz6172 connoisseur

@Kyuubi840 2 жыл бұрын

We watch his videos after all :)

@Vrtox1337 2 жыл бұрын

Actually librewolf gets updated quite quickly and is mostly just a few days behind the Firefox releases. There was just no Firefox release (until today) for a month that's why it only got updated a month ago. The next librewolf release should be ready in a few days

@toranshaw4029 2 жыл бұрын

That's good to know, ta, as I am a LW user too!

@Vrtox1337 2 жыл бұрын

@@toranshaw4029 I personally don't use librewolf but am planning to in the near future. But i need to check all the settings to customize it to my needs because some of the changes impair my daily usage of the browser e.g. Deletion of the history or the lack of drm, on arch I used firedragon because that fit my needs really well but I am using feren OS right now and don't want to compile it from source every time 😅

@SFSAtlas 2 жыл бұрын

I use librewolf but I disabled auto cookie purging because I don't wanna log in each session

@abhabh6896 2 жыл бұрын

Its app image will not start...yeah, I dont use btw distro.

@AlakranGtz 2 жыл бұрын

And it was recently added to ubuntus package manager. I used the app image but now I update from the package manager. I use Linux Mint

@yamankumar3811 2 жыл бұрын

Lol I got inspired by you a month ago and installed epiphany on my Manjaro desktop. It was so horrible I removed it the same day. I admire your courage for using it for a month. 😂😂

@matthewblott 2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha ha, I couldn't even last 20 minutes with Epiphany on Debian. I'm running it on a Macbook Pro 2014 (old but still a good spec machine with 16GB RAM). It sent the CPU crazy. Horrible, uninstalled it quickly.

@yasoomorimoto8474 2 жыл бұрын

As someone who tries epiphany every now and than to see if it has finally gotten good, I knew you wouldn't last long hahhaahhaha

@guss77 2 жыл бұрын

My experience as well

@michadybczak4862 2 жыл бұрын

LOL, as predicted. Still, interesting to see someone being a guinea pig and testing on himself ;). P.S. I use Firefox at home but also at work. It turned out that the company's spying app is not capable of recording site addresses (probably because of FF containers) :D. GO, GO Firefox! :D

@meowcula 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking one for the team, Nick! I pretty much came to the same conclusion. Firefox fulfills most of my needs and annoys me the least of any browser.

@TheLinuxEXP 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Firefox it is for me too!

@mariaobrien1753 2 жыл бұрын

The stuttering lag in Gnome Web you experience is a memory leak in the browser caused by faulty CSS implemention and not related to the WebKit render engine nor a a fault with web developers. The same websites run fine with other WebKit browsers.

@softwarelivre2389 2 жыл бұрын

That's unfortunate. Do you know which CSS property is responsible for this specific leak?

@ioneocla6577 2 жыл бұрын

@@softwarelivre2389 analysing the code i Guess..

@softwarelivre2389 2 жыл бұрын

@@ioneocla6577 I found it and opened an issue both on Webkit Bugzilla and on GNOME's repository, and I found a temporary fix for it. You need to run a specific line of code I wrote in the console to disable a background-blend-mode filter (which is set to 'luminosity' and the script sets it to an empty string).

@softwarelivre2389 2 жыл бұрын

@@ioneocla6577 I tried to paste the link, but KZfaq doesn't let me. Issue 1669. If one's in GNOME Gitlab closed issues, one can find it.

@ioneocla6577 2 жыл бұрын

@@softwarelivre2389 nice i'll do some researches

@donfruendo 2 жыл бұрын

You missed the perfect opportunity including CGP Grey's "Tale of Tiffany" while using Epiphany to give the name more fame :D

@Watchandlearn91 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's exactly why I never tried gnome web. It just seemed like one of those linux applications that would be pretty buggy - plus all major browsers support Linux so not much of a reason to.. There is already enough trouble finding replacements for certain apps in Linux so i'm not usually trying to replace the apps that actually are cross platform and work :)

@ricardosteijn4693 2 жыл бұрын

Firefox (especially on Wayland) feels a lot smoother and less buggy than all those Chromium browsers together. I hope they can keep it going.

@fredrik2008 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah chromium based browsers kinda suck in linux, laggy and slow scrolling.

@_nom_ 2 жыл бұрын

@@fredrik2008 Interesting, I'll give them a go. I found Edge surprisingly smooth on Linux. I have a hard time disassociating firefox with slowness. Wish me luck.

@fishofthepeople 2 жыл бұрын

Your channel was one of the most important when I was making the decision to switch to Linux 18 months ago (50% switch, because Adobe + hard headed partner).

@TheLinuxEXP 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad I could help!

@ShiroCh_ID 2 жыл бұрын

same with me, troubles was adobe and anticheats rootkit

@Vlad-1986 2 жыл бұрын

You might get lucky with emulation for the software that only works in Windows. It was a life changer when I started uni. Virtual Machines have improved a lot if you are lucky and can do hardware passtrough!

@fishofthepeople 2 жыл бұрын

@@Vlad-1986 all well and good for myself. partner's machine will have to stay on Windows for the time being, she just wants to do her work.

@smugmode 2 жыл бұрын

If you can afford it, use one dedicated PC for your personal shit (Linux) and another for gaming and photoshop shit (Windows/mcOS).

@RedBearAK 2 жыл бұрын

I was going to say something back when you started this experiment, but I thought nah, it’s better to learn this lesson on one’s own. And everyone will get to see that Firefox isn’t actually that bad and deserves more support as the only really viable non-Chrome browser.

@mytech6779 2 жыл бұрын

FF is not terrible but it is going the wrong way on many things so people are looking for another browser they can support as a backup plan. The real problem is all of the non-standards compliant websites.

@dinobotpwnz 2 жыл бұрын

Firefox is only bad when you compare it to the firefox of a few years ago.

@cloudkungfu 2 жыл бұрын

@@mytech6779 Hey what are some of the things FF is going the wrong way on?

@mytech6779 2 жыл бұрын

@@cloudkungfu Changing user settings without permission of the user, and forced updates without regard for user scheduling or permission(even directly against explicit user settings) are two major issues.

@TheWilldrick 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not one to say "I Told you so" but... I just hope someone creates a blink-powered gnome-web.

@razvansodoleanu9755 2 жыл бұрын

I get the reasons for which you left Firefox, but I still can’t find something better in terms of RAM and cpu usage.

@sheebajohnson5581 2 жыл бұрын

I guarantee you that the problems you encountered with gnome web are browser bugs and not website bugs. I just tested it on my macbook with safari and they all work fine. Safari and gnome web are both based on webkit. Gnome web is just not mature enough to handle browsing as a daily driver. not the fault of the website, not the fault of the render engine. its a fault of gnome web itself.

@Vednier 11 ай бұрын

well, Gnome web is nothing more then Gui for WebKitGTK with bunch of other libs. Problem with this sites may lay in this lib\engine which in turn tied to WebKit. I very disappointed with Gnome web experience but i feel like its not much they can actually do.

@DonaldWyman 2 жыл бұрын

That has been my experience with epiphany as well. I want to like it, but it just doesn't work the way I need it to. Also, I need my extensions

@wallyhackenslacker 2 жыл бұрын

It would probably be more worthwhile for GNOME to ditch Epiphany as it is and change the browser to be a reskin of Firefox. Just ditch Firefox's current UI and change it to a GTK 4 based one. That still would probably be a lot of work, but somehow I think it would be less work than trying to take Epiphany as it is to feature and performance parity with actual Safari, Firefox and/or Chromium.

@tomaszgasior772 2 жыл бұрын

It's not possible since Firefox's web engine is not embeddable. It was in the past when Epiphany used to use Firefox's web engine.

@BrunodeSouzaLino 2 жыл бұрын

They would never write the darn thing, as porting Firefox to GTK4 would take more than 6 months and...GNOME changes their API every 6 months.

@raeedibnzaman1 2 жыл бұрын

manjaro comes with a theme that reskins firefox to look exactly like epiphany very much possible

@goldencherry2695 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, It's really amazing that you stuck with it for a month, I couldn't use for most than a day haha

@MansakeLabsOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

I saw the video where you intentionally decided to use Epiphany, and I was confused. I am no longer confused.

@edwardbrennan3963 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid! Would be great to see these daily driver tryouts for other apps!

@DVictor23 2 жыл бұрын

When your criteria for choosing a browser is mostly the appearance, it's normal to have to deal with those problems.

@fredrik2008 2 жыл бұрын

Well I use firefox for the look, can do anything looks wise with css, its important for some people.

@TazerXI 2 жыл бұрын

"I'm a sucker for consistency". Now I understand why you hate windows so much. As a linux user, I prefer linux, but I can still go back to windows (I use it for school/work/have it duel booted in case I need to use it), but I think I know why you could never use it

@nikkehtine 2 жыл бұрын

Every time I switch browsers, I come right back to Firefox. It's not that good anymore, but the alternatives are much worse

@caseycu 2 жыл бұрын

Let’s start a list of things we can try to get Linus to comment on! lol but actually, it’s kind of sad it took Linus pointing things out to get them fixed when loyal users have been saying the same thing for years. Obviously, “Linus >>> actual Linux users” for too many devs.

@nuclearbomb9483 2 жыл бұрын

Linus tech tips?

@BrunodeSouzaLino 2 жыл бұрын

When you consider Epiphany is *18 years old* ... I wouldn't be any making points about how good it looks. Looks fade after a while...just like they do on human beings. What's left is everything else. Ironically, it goes well with GNOME'S philosophy of introducing features nobody asked for and removing ones everybody uses. All the issues you mentioned? I had them 5-10 years ago in earlier versions of the browser. Exactly the same.

@Ironpants57 Жыл бұрын

To this day.. Even on newest kernels. Even on gnome-nightly. Even with all needed packages installed.. Videos on doesn't play well on Epiphany. Begs the question why are they even developing a web browser for "x" years? Why are they trying to build on top of something that is "broken".. 90% of the media people share or consume will be videos.. I'm glad that at least firefox exists still.

@Dark__Thoughts 2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was a bit weird to go from Firefox to a browser that's essentially worse overall. Yeah, some directions of it are stupid, but is there really a better alternative?

@Rsanda 2 жыл бұрын

Is there a reason why you didn't choose Waterfox? I remember that scoring really high in your last video.

@dimitriosvelessiotis6808 2 жыл бұрын

This video is the most representative as to why Linux Experiment is one of my most favorite channels: the creator is knowledgable, but is in line eith the needs of the common user and on top of that he is not afraid of self-sarcasm: I wish there were more w...s like you Nick! World (and software) would be better!

@timothyjholloway 2 жыл бұрын

3:31 I'm on a Chromebook and this finger-swiping works so well that it can be annoying when I'm trying to move around a single webpage horizontally and end up going to a previous page. I just tried it out again here before starting this sentence. It just works.

@cho4d 2 жыл бұрын

Firefox feels less bloated than chrome to me tbh. I will keep useing firefox unless it becomes actually bad just because we need to keep browser diversity alive! Also google is too powerful already.

@ScutoidStudios 2 жыл бұрын

What would you say is actually bad?

@ferfromla 2 жыл бұрын

The only good news here is that your experience might stimulate those at Firefox to do a better job at updating their browser and fixing all the bugs and problems with it. FF has so much potential, but I agree it is a pain to use.

@laufragor7571 2 жыл бұрын

The summary of the video in the description is useful af Yo thanks for taking the time to make that 🙏

@Jel.Awesh.M 2 жыл бұрын

Well done, that is why this channel is called the linux experiment.

@jeremy_clarke 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the update! Was there a reason why you didn't move to Waterfox from Epiphany?

@ludoviclagouardette7020 2 жыл бұрын

You know, the video I watched just before this one happens to be one from some minor Starcraft 2 streamer that happens to play weird challenge runs and I think I am starting to see him everywhere now

@kalmonsalmon1946 2 жыл бұрын

I switched over to Waterfox because of your last video. Honestly, it's great. Looks fine (to me), syncs with Firefox, is more than fast enough (not noticing any difference with Firefox myself), all my addons work, it's not Chromium AND... I like the blue icon it has more than the red/orange Firefox logo.

@Hobbitstomper 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a web developer. I disagree with the statement at 5:31 that it's not the browser's fault but the web developer's fault. Back in the early 2000, Internet Explorer was notorious for not following W3C standards. Microsoft decided to create their own pseudo-standards, and because IE6 had 95% market share, web developers did indeed only optimize their websites for IE6. This however is no longer the case. We don't optimize websites for Chrome or Firefox. Web developers nowadays follow W3C standards, and if the browser implements that correctly, then there is no issue.

@Hobbitstomper 2 жыл бұрын

Also keep in mind, just because a browser like GNOME Web uses WebKit doesn't mean it works as wel as Safari. Browser developers can always make changes on how certain HTML, CSS or JavaScript should be interpreted. As you experienced it yourself, with GNOME Web on Linux, it's a nightmare and many websites don't work, yet with Safari on MacOS which uses the same render engine, all the websites you tested, work fine.

@TheLinuxEXP 2 жыл бұрын

As someone who worked in web development and has done so for 10 years I can safely say that while devs don't optimize specifically for Chrome, they also never test for anything else. Chrome isn't 100% compliant. No browser is, AFAIK. But only testing for Blink led to this.

@Hobbitstomper 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP Actually no, because as I said, Safari works perfectly well with all the websites you have issues with, yet both use WebKit. That fact alone puts your theory to rest that the issue is engine based and/or web developer issues. It's an issue with GNOME Web. Bugs and lacks of feature implementation. Also, I hardly know any web developers that exclusively test with Chrome. Especially professional companies have entire test suits set up. All the companies I worked for, we always run tests with Chrome, Firefox, Safari (if available on the OS), across PC, Mac, Android phones and iPhones. I started as a web developer in 2001, that's when IE6 dominated and we only tested and optimized for IE6. This mentality is long gone, to only focus on specific browsers.

@softwarelivre2389 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I tried to open an issue due to the lack of support for the CSS property "user-select: none;" on GNOME Web (which only works if you add the bloated "--webkit-user-select: none;" and the devs just closed my issue and told me to just f*** off.

@RogerioPereiradaSilva77 2 жыл бұрын

@@softwarelivre2389 Sounds about GNOME-y to me. :)

@mattiaborda 2 жыл бұрын

Did you enable the hardware acceleration gsetting? I found Epiphany unusable as well but after doing that a lot of websites (including youtube) run relatively smoothly

@CjqNslXUcM 2 жыл бұрын

9:30 is there no clipboard manager in GNOME? Whenever I need to copy multiple things, I just ctrl+c them all one after another and then paste them from the clipboard history

@muhammadchaudhary1056 2 жыл бұрын

There is a gnome extension that offers that functionality

@FunnyHacks 2 жыл бұрын

It was really interesting to see the follow-up. Thanks for posting

@adriabruicortes490 2 жыл бұрын

You said most browsers don't have two-finger swipe by default. Does that mean you can activate it any other way? I cannot find any information on that topic. I would appreciate the help. Thanks in advance.

@RajitVikramSingh 2 жыл бұрын

As someone who tried switching to Gnome Web because is looks oh-so-good on Gnome - I saw this coming the day you uploaded that other video.

@sykoteddy Жыл бұрын

Great work, this is topic is so huge I'd never even try it. But I the ad about Slimbook makes me wonder, in recent days you mention Tux or Tuxedo using the same (your logotype) on the computer. Do they both have that option? Because in this ad you at least mention that you own the product yourself, you don't do that in that other ad. Thanks for great content!

@aquual1462 2 жыл бұрын

When it comes to web browsers you really have to stick with Firefox or Chrome based browsers

@KaiDeLorenzo 2 жыл бұрын

Huh, I just ran KZfaq on Gnome Web 41 on Fedora Silverblue 35 (Fedora Packaged Flatpak) and was able to scrub around. Not sure what's up with that Wayland? Different video format?

@kumoh6753 2 жыл бұрын

just a small correction, it doesnt run on the same engine as Safari, it runs on a ported version of the engine, so makes sense that it is not as reliable as Safari

@arinkhandelwal 2 жыл бұрын

You are doing a video on using vanilla gnome right? I have been seeing the monitor in the background with the activies overview open for the last couple of videos. Not too mention you are using gnome and adwaita dark theme in this video too

@TheLinuxEXP 2 жыл бұрын

I am :)

@arinkhandelwal 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP OMG! That's amazing! Can't wait to watch it since Gnome is my favorite DE. Just a suggestion, definitely do try using it with no extensions or at least extensions that don't change anything about the workflow, you will be surprised at how minimal yet useful it can be. Although I have a feeling you are going to like it anyway since it doesn't have those murderers, the desktop icons:)

@foss_sound 2 жыл бұрын

Haha. I had the same thoughts at your first video, that it's gonna be a hard time for you. But: I can not reproduce the issues you had with my Manjaro Gnome41 Web/Epiphany. At least KZfaq works as it should. I really love the UI of web. But it's lacking so many features. A bookmarks bar on a new tab is one big issue for me. Addons for more security besides a built in adblock are essential for me: ClearURLs, HTTPS Everywhere, Skip Redirect, Smart Referer and uBlock with Script Block (not just ads)...

@JXQU3 Жыл бұрын

5:30 sometimes it is. I'm a web developer, and I was trying to make a desktop app with NeutralinoJS(which uses webkitGTK, same as epiphany). Using the normal (and basically only) way to play audio (WebAudio or HTML5, neither worked) it had a delay when playing or pausing audio. A big delay. I thought it was my code but I tried using electron (which uses chromium) and worked flawlessly. Then I took it to a web server and any browser worked well except for epiphany (and other webkitgtk browsers)

@genblob 2 жыл бұрын

All of the webkit browsers have potential but the main issue is the engine itself. It's so behind at this point that any browser using it isn't viable for daily use. I hope it gets better in the future but until then firefox or anything firefox based is the only viable alternatives to blink and it's terrifying.

@jongeduard 2 жыл бұрын

I have now tried it on new Arch installation with GNOME 42 on it, because your video made me curious. Well I can say that it's BAD indeed. :D I have tried it both with GNOME on Wayland and on Xorg. On Wayland a video simply never starts, while on Xorg the the browser still responds extremely bad, but a video sorta plays. I am using NVIDIA, still with an older videocard, but the rest of my system is very new and powerful. The whole experience with GNOME itself is a roller coaster experience. First of all I needed to manually tweak UDEV rules to get Wayland working because by default GDM didn't give me the option (while starting in wayland mode from th TTY did work so I knew it had to be possible). Second, I have a 4k display on which I need exactly 150% scaling. Fractional scaling out of the box is always blurry, so I never do that, I always play with DPI instead to get a sharp experience (even though they never recommend you). (100% scaling is really to small while 200% scaling is monstrously big) A lot of messing with settings and environment variables eventually gives me the scaling result that I want. But in gnome's case the end result is still somewhat bad, because fonts are the only thing that I get bigger this whay while the windows and icons are not growing with it. Xfce and KDE do a much better job with it (still problematic though, with also a lot of try-error and research time needed to get things right, but the end result is eventually very good, because DPI scaling causes non-font things to get bigger as well in the case of KDE while in the case of Xfce i can configure multiple things myself to make them larger so that the problem is solved).

@andrewpalm2103 2 жыл бұрын

After seeing your video a month ago I gave GNOME Web a try. The trial lasted two days, if I recall. I was immediately put off by its poor importing of bookmarks and how limited the bookmark management was. Then it would not play live stream videos. So "sudo apt remove epiphany" it went. Thanks for your channel, which I quite enjoy.

@nappy-dl3kb 2 жыл бұрын

I have been using Brave for a while, and because of your last video I decided to try out another browser. I decided to try out Vivaldi (need Chromium based so I can swap profiles for work and personal) and it was the little things that pissed me off. Closing and reopening did not re open all of my tabs, and if I did it from history it would then double my pinned tabs and I would have to close them. The taskbar icon would not stay pinned by profile (it would work, but open another window). Honestly, if Firefox had easily switchable profiles out of the box, I would hands down be using it as a daily driver (love container tabs) but it doesnt look like it ever will.

@RetosSpace 2 жыл бұрын

"Hi im NIck and im a Linux Weirdo", definitely a new line of merch!!!! THanks for this informative video Weirdo!!! This channel is banging good!! Merci from Cape Town, South Africa

@lobau_ 2 жыл бұрын

My fans just started to blast just by looking at your Epiphany's screen recordings.

@MichaelSharpTechniSmart 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Nick, I have been using Epiphany Technology Preview, which is in alpha.43 and all those problems are fixed. How about taking another look. I am running it on Gnome 42.3. How about talking about how helpful it is to save a web site as an app, or that extension support wors. So many posititives for this upcoming minimalist star. Once a browser gets out of my way, I am happy, and that's GNOME Web / Epiphany.

@DimitrisPapageorgiou-Manon 2 жыл бұрын

20 minutes ago, i watched the video about you going to epiphany, now i am watching this video and without any further experience to epiphany i tried to browse youtube yet it never failed loading videos or browsing forward of back.. truth is i am so hooked to chrome and i don't mind the data it collects off of me BUT i loved the native app feel of epiphany so i am going to give it a try :)

@alira7296 2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to be honest: when I watched your original video, I got the impression that Firefox was going to be best for you. It's definitely not perfect, but at least most of its flaws (e.g. unnecessary features) can be hidden away and kept out of mind!

@siliconhawk9293 Жыл бұрын

firefox it trying to get many features that most chrome users would want but because they are newer features it might have a hiccup when its just implemented but i am sure it will get fleshed out, just look at firefox from like 7 years ago or something it was not that great, today i can say firefox is the best browser experience on pc, better than chrome no cap

@robinverdenal-tallieux4318 2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried the nightly version. The new versions of epiphany seem to have some improvements. And if there are problems with page rendering i think that's not the fault of epiphany but webkit-gtk. New versions of webkit-gtk also seem to bo better. Trying the flatpak nightly version from gnome unstable repos should solve some problems...

@MrOscarpor Жыл бұрын

Question, Nick. What version of linux/GNU do you use?

@avichaldas4615 2 жыл бұрын

Haven't watched the video yet but gnome web laggy on my pc :/ it lags and bugs much more than Firefox. So I switched to Vivaldi instead:)

@yeezet4592 2 жыл бұрын

Wish it worked with gtk

@ashwin372 2 жыл бұрын

Is there adblockers popup blockers, KZfaq adblockers and sponsor block on this browser?

@cats824 2 жыл бұрын

I go with you on consistency, I usually lose my mind over getting a consistent desktop. :P

@k3ysersoze Жыл бұрын

small status update, Epiphany 43 works like a charm... ( just missing extensions)

@NofarahTech 2 жыл бұрын

I knew that you will go back to your previous browser, I'm a big fan of consistency of appearance between apps, but I couldn't use epiphany for more than 10 minutes

@TheLinuxEXP 2 жыл бұрын

Without the youtube issues, it would have worked out, but that was too much!

@needsLITHIUM 2 жыл бұрын

Most desktop programs need better touch pad gesture and touch screen support in general, regardless of whether or not they run on Windows, Mac, BSD, Linux, etc.

@BriefNerdOriginal 2 жыл бұрын

I've just bought a secondhand laptop to run my own Linux experiment ✌🏻(a personal pilot to map the job's workflow and push for Linux replacement of corporate Windows). I'm changing as little as possible and should say that Firefox (preinstalled) is still fast and rock solid.

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

Excellent! That's a good way to test drive stuff without risking your production device!

@BriefNerdOriginal Жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP the testing is going quite well actually! I just need to find a way to replace super proprietary software such as Cisco Jabber and I believe I might get to the second phase: replacing the work laptop completely. The third phase will be the longest: writing a report 🤓

@karvie 2 жыл бұрын

I'm watching on Epiphany rn, and I don't have any playback issues. I can skip around, change speed, resume a video I started previously, enable/disable subtitles, and everything works fine

@PaperReaper Жыл бұрын

It seems recent updates made it a looooot better

@JackMasterOfNone 2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't quite make out the name of the other video service mentioned at the end here, my apologies. What was it?

@davidwayne9982 2 жыл бұрын

I LIKE your videos-- no matter if they ARE a rant... I rant too... when I have something I like to rant about!!! But I learn a lot from your "rants".. and so far have agreed with all of it I've tested out on my own.

@neeljepaliya7575 2 жыл бұрын

Gstreamer-vaapi and it's associated plugins makes gnome web very usable. Could you retry it for a day?

@Vinnie_PT 2 жыл бұрын

Funny thing, you seem to trace every step i took a month before: the switch from Manjaro KDE to Fedora, trying to use Epiphany and going back to Firefox with a Gnome theme. Are you by any chance looking into how to enable video acceleration in Firefox (and desktop video players)? Because that's what i did next

@TheLinuxEXP 2 жыл бұрын

Haha no, Firefox is already hardware accelerated on my computer

@helloimatapir 2 жыл бұрын

Competition in the browser space is important, but if you are going to complete, it's got to work right.

@afr5075 Жыл бұрын

Use Brave. It is very granular in controls and that's what I like, can make it do what I want it to do. If you use KDE, unless you keep everything default, configuring it should be a peace of cake. Use the Gnome dark theme from the store and it looks almost like it.

@hemnath1291 2 жыл бұрын

Hello nick, Can we try linux on smart tvs or Android tv box? Try once, if possible.

@The-Fishkeeper 2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know of any way to get KZfaq videos working on Gnome Web? I literally can't even get them to START playing anymore. Other than this MAJOR issue, this is my perfect browser. It's the only Linux browser (that I'm aware of) that supports basic gestures like pinch to zoom and Swipe left / right with two fingers to back and forward, which is essential to me. It even has the "peak back" functionality that Safari has when you do a half swipe back, so you can quickly glance at something from the previous page without actually going back and reloading the page, which is a feature I LOVE and use all the time on my MacBook. The lack of a browser I like is one of the last big hurdles in the way of me switching to a Linux distribution as my main and sole OS , and Gnome Web is SOO close, but I need to be able to watch KZfaq. It's so frustrating.

@npgoalkeeper 2 жыл бұрын

try a different branch? works for me(tm) on fedora silverblue 36 on dev

@scottfranco1962 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I applied the "deblur" filter on your passwords.

@mathiasfantoni2458 2 жыл бұрын

3:38 Sarcasm? At least on macOS, all browsers I've used have had this setting by default. And weren't you considering Waterfox as well before Epiphany?

@Abdo70t 2 жыл бұрын

Really appreciate the series ❤️❤️ i have been looking forever the perfect browser

@victorthevictor1976 2 жыл бұрын

The theme pages not displaying anything is a bug with the page, as I had this happen on Chromium too around the time of the making of the video.

@finitecrystal 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, just thought I'd point out that there is a way to disable Pocket in Firefox. I also don't use it and even consider it "bloatware" to some extent, but after realizing that Firefox is really the only viable option that I'm willing to use on a daily basis, I wanted to find some way to get rid of it. Unfortunately, it is slightly fiddly, but you can remove most of the Pocket integration by going to about:config and changing extensions.pocket.enabled to false. The only thing leftover is the "Recommended by Pocket" section on the New Tab page, which can easily be disabled in the preferences.

@dany08011 2 жыл бұрын

I tried doing the same thing, with my i5 laptop there's not much of an issue, however with my atom n570 laptop, that's impossible, performance is very bad unless you have good hardware :/

@larsradtke4097 2 жыл бұрын

As I understand it, the User-Agent in epiphany is empty and that lets you ran into issues with website compatibility. There is a way to set the user agent to Mozilla or Chromium and this should improve browsing experience a lot. I remember the opera 12 and before times, so many website said no, not compatible, but when you set the user agent to IE, all just worked fine.

@The-Fishkeeper 2 жыл бұрын

I've never really been able to find a browser on Linux that I really like. I always feel like I've had to settle. They're always lacking in features compared to their macOS counterparts. If Gnome web actually worked like it's supposed to, it might have been the exception.

@larsradtke4097 2 жыл бұрын

Vivaldi + Opera FTW But Falkon browser works.

@Keyshooter 2 жыл бұрын

well, what a bummer, i hope the devs make big changes in the upcoming future and make a better browser, to me, the final flaw would be the containers, those are so good

@WolfRites 2 жыл бұрын

I can't believe you switched to Fedora on your desktop. You were once very adamant about only really liking Debian based distros/.debs, and really disliking .rpms. :p

@arnonart 2 жыл бұрын

i checked the flaws you mentioned in KZfaq but mine works perfectly. eventually i managed to find one flaw. on Kan 11 streaming, the picture freezes but the sound is ok. i still use it and it's fun.

@RaymondGibsonReverend 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your testing

@eyssewieringa2084 2 жыл бұрын

I know Vivaldi is "an entire system in a web browser", but tamed with the right settings, it's really clean and doesn't look overwhelming. Maybe you should try that one.

@Rundik 2 жыл бұрын

I never understood why so many distros have their own browser preinstalled. Normal people would probably install firefox or chrome right away. And crazy weirdos would compile it from source on their custom kernel gentoo anyway. Ans it's not like windows where you need a browser to download a browser so it doesn't make any sense

@harude 2 жыл бұрын

I abandoned this browser after just a few days of use. I commend your perseverance for even using this for a whole week

@haruhidaso 2 жыл бұрын

This video summarizes problems I had with Linux. It generally works well, but some problems that I used to never worried about just comes up, and makes me frustrated. I hope in the future, Linux just works

@aforgottenfriend2987 2 жыл бұрын

firefox allows changes to its css, maybe tweaking it around some would make it feel more native?

@daradris7806 2 жыл бұрын

Just wanted to take the time to say that i really love your content

@TheLinuxEXP 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@pompuyoytspunbytails9907 2 жыл бұрын

What about librewolf? Why wasnt it in the ranking?

@Lambda_Ovine Жыл бұрын

I thought you were going to got for Waterfox at the end, but I guess making it look as native as possible is that important, which fair enough, must of us consume all our digital info with the eyes, after all.