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I like OPR. Any resemblance to 40k is no big deal because: Warhammer 40k-Rouge Trader launched in September 1987... After copy/pasting entire sections from these... Robocop(July 1987) Starwars(1977) Dune(1965) Starship Troopers(1959) The Foundation(1951) Enders Game(1985) Judge Dredd(1977) Aliens(1979) Lord of the Rings(1954) Terminator(1984) Startrek(1966) Rambo(1982) Preadator(1984) 1984(1949) Animal Farm(1945) The Forever War(1974) Call of Cthulu(1928) Then get mad if anything remotely resembles what they ripped off. They are the Disney of Great Britain

"Damn, that is both stupid AND smart at the same time. You start Monday."

Hell Yeah!! Best of luck to you. :)

Good luck!

Wish you well in the war to come!

Luck!

I keep trying to get my friends to give it a try but I can't seem to get any takers, even my buddy that plays 40k. I just dont get the reluctance.

I totally agree! I think that they're starting to take steps away now which I'm a big fan of :)

@@DiscourseMinis Yeah, I'd be really intrigued to so what they could do if they had their own IP, what with all the goodwill they've generated and their rules-lite approach to gaming.

Yes, fully agreed. And not only they can come on the wrong side of GW's heavy-handed brand protection, they are also giving hobbyists the impression one must always play something designed directly or indirectly by GW. That's not the best in the long term :/

You cannot trademark game mechanics.

Games workshop I believed already came for their "pound of flesh". IIRC OPR had to change their name because of GW. Either way, Rules in themselves are not protected by copyright and OPR's designs are their own while their naming is generic enough to not cross any lines. OPR is fine.

And with their advanced rules you can make them more complex with any options or as many of them as you want to as well :-)

Well, yeah, but OPR army lists have one to one equivalent unit types with their GW counterparts. This is a good thing, IMHO. I can take my existing GW army and simply look up the OPR stats for it and play. I have a LOT of rule systems (well over 200)… and without this 1:1 equivalency converting armies is always a bit of a pain.

Yes, I actually never liked the lizardmen in fantasy, but boy howdy do they check some boxes when outfitted with cyberimplants and future tech.

I don't think that's fair assessment. Yes, GW stole left and right -- er, "were inspired by" -- but it's one thing to drink from the same fountains as GW's designers, and another to take the laziest path of just copying GW directly. Battle Brothers are not powered armored space troopers, they are 40K space marines, plain and simple. And that's lazy and bad for the hobby.

@@theandf It is good for the hobby because it gives 40k players a way to use their old minis to get into a new system. OPR having new and different armies on offer gives those transient players a way to stay in the new system for a better price. Notice OPR don't sell any battle brothers models? They don't sell most of the armies based on 40k, and that is good; gw can't get at them easily, and it makes onboarding 40k players easy. Not lazy. They are stepping-stone armies to help onboard new players to the system.

@@jimmysmith2249 color me unconvinced. Grimdark Future has a Not Space Marine in its cover -- that's as lazy as it gets! I don't think being in the business of giving GW players another home for their minis is good for the hobby. It reinforces the idea that gaming in the 41st millennium is where it's at. Better handled by truly minis agnostic games which don't have ties to GW's thematic universe: you can use your Age of Sigmar minis in Frostgrave, and Frostgrave doesn't feature a Stormcast or a Khorne Berzerker in its cover art.

The Saurians are how I got into OPR and war gaming in general!

Honestly I hope they move into things like Necromunda and Blood Bowl. They are revamping their star ship game and making new models for that as well. I know they are developing a new game right now so models for that will show up at some point.

I think that's the plan. They've already released a couple of unique factions for their systems like the eternal dynasty and saurian starhost.

They already did that - twice! First the Duchies of Vinci and then the Eternal Dynasty- Thrice if you count the Star Scales

@@Rakaziel I can't believe I forgot the duchies. Coming from a person that's printed off 6000 points of them you'd think I'd remember lol.

@@davidpitcher2338 they are they have some rules for some games like them it's a work in progress of course but at least they listen to fan feedback.

The rules let you use any minis you want so you don't have to print them yourself. Also I have see whole armies print sets for sale and people on their discord server that will print them for you.

Space Lizards for the win. Suck it GW!

I just did the same. The value you get is amazing !

I do this on the downlow!

Yeah I'm doing this at the moment, making custom backpack and mechanical arms + legs for an 'Undead' themed Imperial Guard using a basic skeleton STL and some free Servo Skull STLs as the starting point...it's slow going but I'm getting there, I know my stuff won't look anywhere NEAR as amazing as proper digital artists who sculpt minis (I have neither the experience in Blender or sculpting) but they'll be uniquely mine!

It also lets you mix and match other small models in to make your own fun kitbashes, like a Necron Overlord in a flying rocking chair with a sleeping cap and fuzzy bunny slippers, and a coffee mug.

I would totally buy any books they put out, I'm a grognard and just have never liked reading on anything that wasn't a physical medium, and I'm far from alone in this

Have you seen the Jackals? I'm a big fan of those. They're loosely Kroot equivalents rules wise but feel pretty unique aestheticly and lore wise. I feel like OPR are trying to be more unique with recent releases

My warband for Grimdark Future Firefight and Stargrave are The Fleabitten Few - Jackals rock!

You buy a 3d printer, resin and the pateron you get the rules and STLs it is still cheaper than getting GW models never ind the rulebooks as well.

@@yagsipcc287 Yeah, for me, I think it is the GW rule books that kill my enthusiasm. They are so expensive, and too frequently updated/superseded for me to take the plunge.

@@euansmith3699 Yup I totally agree, hell OPR has some simple rules for solo play if you are someone like me who works nights for 50 hours a week is a God send just to have some fun.

@@ONIMOT100 IMO they already are you can get a great one from 150-220 resin is dirt cheap and 1kg last ages enough to do an army at least including things like tanks. For me I have had my printer settings the same since day one zero layer lines (I printer smaller than most people do so it takes a little longer but makes the quality insane) Took me 5 or 6 hours on day one just testing one small test model at a time with each setting. Upfront cost is less than a 40K army and after that its only the price of resin and of models you buy, get for free or signed up for and each print of each model makes it cost less and less with each print. Hey each to their own anyway, they also have online stores you can buy their physical models from as well if you like any of them as well :-) or Hell just buy the full rules I think they are under 10 bucks for that.

@@ONIMOT100 you can get the same printer I use for less than 200$ and a litter of the resin I use for about 36$ both on Amazon and print at 4k resolution. You can literally get a printer and 2 liters of resin for less than the horus heresy 2.0 box set and be able to print 10 times the content of that box set. The up front price excuse is not valid. If you can't be bothered to mess with it that's reasonable but don't blame it on price.

Plus the lack of any kind of significant immersion in their universe. It is just about playing with toys. No lore/fluff/universe building

@@NightfallTH I find no issue in playing GW's crusade(ish) campaigns while using OPR rules for games themselves... Obviously, some of the OPR's factions do not have wh40k lore, but come on, OPR gives you a game system that is actually playable. I can play 3 games of grimdark future in the same time I would play on 40k game.

@@el33ment who cares about gaming? If you want to go for a game where your gaming pieces have 0 background and mean nothing to you, then play Monopoly. People need the lore, they need emotional attachment and this is something you cannot provide with one page. I have exactly the same, zero amounts of feelings toward those strange space jackals as to the monopoly shoe.

They're effectively parasitizing GW rather than competing with them. I'm not sure they'd be able to break out of that disgruntled GW fan niche though; the problem is, I can't see any reason you'd be interested in OPR if you weren't interested in 40K to begin with, and if you were interested in 40K odds are you'll be grabbed by GW long before you've even heard of OPR.

"as soon as GW comes up with a new Edition or a major update, people are going back to the original". Some people might, but you're counting on GW with all their resources and experience in this area (you would think) changing their ways and coming up with a game that people enjoy. Their rules are *work*, not fun. They've had a long time to get it right. Not there yet or foreseeably.

Hey Alex thanks, I like to draft the scripts to have the disclaimer in there naturally. I've covered OPR quite a bit on the channel now so I don't really dwell on the business model of the company much anymore because I've mentioned it a few times, but the video linked from this goes into great detail

Paper miniatures (with front and back art, not just one-sided standees) are seriously underrated as a very accessible option. They can be quite visually appealing if done well. Plus they harken back to metal flats, which were the type figures used at the dawn of modern wargaming in the 1960s. Look up Donald Featherstone & Tony Bath. The former's "War Games" from 1962 is arguably where the modern miniature wargaming hobby began.

Exactly. 3d printers (especially resin ones) are a steep barrier to entry for many. Also, a number of supposedly "miniature agnostic" games are anything but since they stick close to GW's faction lists. It's no wonder the notoriously litigious folks in Nottingham leave them alone, because they provide free advertising and drive sales. This adherence to 40k factions is another way in which GW dominates the hobby and actively contributes to it becoming a monoculture. Several times I've read game rules thinking, "I dig these indie rules. They sound fun!" and then slog through yet another set of generically-renamed 40k faction lists. I love the indie spirit of OPR and would like to see them get more creative with the factions.

They are planning to expand the lore, and even had a survey about it a few months ago. Mostly because they have started releasing armies and factions not covered by GW.

I mean if you fiddle with it you can probably get some decent results printing minis but resin is so much less hassle for WAY better results.

Alas, I lack the time of patients for figuring out the mystery of quality filament print ing 😁 A resin 3d printer is just something I will need to save for.

Back when I started wargaming, minis were CHEAP - a bag of Prussians from Minifigs was $10 US. Printing our own - we can, and have, bribed people to start in the hobby by GIVING THEM THE MINIS. This is often followed by people getting their own printers.

They have partnerships with businesses that 3d print for other people.

There is a solution to this which is digital kitbashing but it's a touch more complicated and less intuitive than standard kitbashing because you've got to teach yourself how to use Blender and Meshmixer (or Zbrush if you're really willing to spend some cash). Since you get the STL files, load the models you want up in your digital kitbashing studio of choice, cut parts and swap them around. Though, like I said, it is a bit of a slog, I'm learning blender just for mechanical parts (I do not hold out any hope of fully sculpting miniatures for a LONG time) because they're pretty easy to do.

Dark Gods on MMF is also worth a look - especially for "Plague Demons"

Hopefully more designers start making modular parts, there are a few but I would like OPR to do it as well

I loved the Tzeentch range until I saw the OPR Epic Avatars of Change, hell, OPR even made good Slaanesh proxies

Or as you point out, even for those with printers they may not be able to afford the largest printers needed for the biggest minis

If it was me, who works in the games industry doing business planning: 1. One page heroes, make books for the hero units for the factions of 40k & Star Wars legion for some small fee. Hire a writer to make your own lore for these copies to avoid legal difficulties. 2. Redo old armies with better details or alternate options (death corp of Krieg vs catachan type stuff) same rules, different aesthetics. 3. Turn your unique model line and rule system into a video game with matchmaking and a ladder, inject some competitiveness into the scene 4. Terrain kits, sell different settings and terrain types, create rule kits for fortifications and buildings 5. Campaign kits, use the rule system as an engine to tell some unique stories using your models and terrain that people can play through. tie these in with the previous 4 steps to create a healthy drive to buy everything you’ve ever made. 6. Make games out of these campaign kits.

Meshmixer, or some rigging in Blender

Anvil Industries gives you modular parts to print and mix as you wish, and lots of their stuff has shells you can take off or swap around for easy digital kitbashing.

@@williamings773 Monstrous Encounters also has a very good selection

The Makers Cult has many modular kits for several factions: guards, hives, techno, marines, etc.

nice!

They sell and ship printed mini’s as well.

Agreed! Been with them since last October. Amazing value!

@@davidpitcher2338 I see you like mushroomhead. Hello fellow person of culture.

They were the antiGW in like 2010 maybe. Now they're just as overpriced for what you get, ya know?

They are eliminating something like 90% of the range, they are worse than GW.

Yeah......bout that. They are now trying to sell 3D printed models for GW prices ( a STARTER set with 22 printed models for $200). If that's how they're doing a starter set, I don't even wanna know what they'll try and come up with for the rest of their range.

That's all covered in the video linked :)

@@DiscourseMinis I'm a family man with full employment and heaven forbid, even other hobbies. Every second I spend cleaning, maintaining, troubleshooting etc. a 3-D printer is a second away from the hobby stuff I actually want to do. If you compare prices, you should compare with commercial printing services and there printing currently LOSES, big time for bulk troops, less for characters. Maybe that will change over time, who knows but right now the print services are IMHO overpriced. "No one should buy bread from the store, home baking is so much cheaper" -- only if you fail to calculate depreciation for your equipment and value your time at zero dollars per hour...

For models you definitely want a resin printer. A fdm printer will not give you great detail compared to a resin. I printed a 1000 pt beastmen army from OPR on my resin printer and they are amazing in detail.

You only get the digital files to print them out yourself. Not a physical print of the miniature.

You have access to them in your MyMiniFactory library :)

@@DiscourseMinis oh man. I'm sold. I've been trying to get into Infinity and I love their models but they can be difficult to get and play in the US. But OPR's models are awesome and if I can just print them off that would be awesome. Just got to get a printer. Do you have a video recommding one?

@@lincolnwillis3345 remember to put it in the basement/garage/workshop so you don't inhale resin fumes i have an Elegoo Mars 2 (not Pro) and it works well for Warhammer. use recommended resin profiles provided by the producent. also you can buy this month's files, download them and print them later (that's how you start an unhealthy file hoard)

40k is simple but it's just the special rules on top of other special rules especially from codices that made it so unnecessary complex and bloated. After playing opr, I don't feel like coming back to 40k. Feeling like I had to study for an exam before playing.