How long before someone makes a carbon fibre mouse that'll cost a fortune

I feel like shape is more important than weight

Started with a 502? My old ass remembers gaming on ball mice. Razer boomslang, anyone?

When I see all these honeycomb mice, what I don't hear about is sanitation. All those holes seem like skin cell, oil, dust traps.

Thank you for this video, I was starting to feel like the lightweight mouse, are helpful somewhat, but not as important as mouse shape that is suited for your hand size. I've tried all these mouse mentioned and more, and I still find my way back to the Logitech 305...this is my baby!

My favorite tech reviewer. Always straight to the point and never feels like an ad.

0:30 windows with Catalina wallpaper, nailed it

Expertly made video. Great take on mouse weight. I feel like people are going over board with it like they used to with high DPI.

I absolutely love the Cooler Master MM710 personally, I have had zero issues with pinching or creeking.

I have been using the "brick" for around 2 years and while it might not be the optimal mouse for shooters, it definetely does have a good shape for larger hands and has quite a decent feature set. Also, the build quality appears to be pretty good (it survived 2 years of daily and long usage, including left clicking a lot of people in Minecraft lol).

your vids are always well put together man

I switched to the Viper Mini and fingertip grip and my aim has improved greatly, it’s 61 grams so in that 60-80 gram range. The optical switches are probably my favorite part of the mouse.

Well produced video, with transparency and morphing animations.

“Weight is sign of reliability. If it doesn’t work, you can always hit him with it.”-Boris the Blade/Bullet Dodger

Thank you so much, big fan of how you make your videos

I really love the XTRFY M4, ergonomic shape and the cord is super light I never notice it

Bought a Corsair Scimitar because at the time I had absolutely no idea that weight and grip style was important. Felt fine in my palm, and mOsT iMpOrTaNtLy had lots of buttons. I don't use many but do appreciate having at least 4 thumb buttons. Still have yet to find a light-ish mouse that has that.

Very nice comparison! The fact that you review these mice with a much more critical eye (not to mention a much higher dose of common sense) than a lot of other channels, which can sometimes behave like cheerleaders for whatever the new trend is, is also much appreciated!

I love gaming with the g502. Still using the first edition of it that came out.

fun fact, I started playing Overwatch with a G502, and got pretty far into competitive gameplay, even getting started into e-sports with an amateur team (we got up to the Open Division week 2 at one point and that was really fun). I was a main hitscan DPS in my team, and frankly was doing great. I was playing at 1600dpi and a sensitivity of almost 20 in game. I bought lighter mice afterwards, even after our team disbanded and I quitted esports for good, and right now I play at 800dpi with an in-game sensitivity of 5, and I REALLY con't know how I could play comfortably with such a high sensitivity back in the day. I have the feeling to have considerably improved my aim since then though

I went from the Mamba Wireless to the UL2 since it released. A pretty drastic change in how I play came soon after the UL2 arrived. I have very large hands so the shape is not perfect for me but I also only fingertip grip the mouse since it makes small adjustments easier in my experience. (I will mention that I do play on 200 DPI) Although I have not had the luxury to try such a wide variety of mice, I don't think anything will beat the UL2 for me until I have the chance to try other FinalMouse offerings or some of Glorious'/G-Wolves products.

g305 has been my main for 2 years. I've tried like 8 other mice but they just don't do it for me. Razer Viper Ultimate was awesome but the shape just wasn't my favorite. I have the Pwnage Ultra Custom Wireless coming soon in the mail so i'm excited to see how that turns out - 69g / wireless / ergonomic - it's a kickstarter

3:02 Narrator: "He did not" Edit: now it's up! Thanks dude

69 grams is the sweet spot for me.

The M4 is strangely god like, I didn't like it first but now I am hooked. :D

i’ve gotten many lightweight mice but i always come back to my g305

Holes in the shell are a dealbreaker for me. I am quite picky in regards to shape and contact points on the mouse (I'm a claw grip user) so even though I haven't had any mouse with this hex pattern I feel like it would get annoying pretty quickly. Weight is important but comfort for longer sessions is even more important for me.

Just bought an ultralight 2 because my model o- broke. Excited to try out that 50g

I'm using the G305 with a AAA battery. I don't play competitively thus never tried to gauge any improvements there, but it certainly makes other mice feel more cumbersome by comparison. The wireless is a really nice feature and I still haven't had to swap the battery after nearly 5 months on performance mode. Maybe I've gotten used to it, but it doesn't feel that light to me in general use. Only when I compare it to something else does it feel light. Clicks feel good, pretty good mouse overall. Only complaints are that I enjoy having more buttons to play with and G Hub software is trash so I had to use the older LGS instead to even get the mouse into performance mode, but I only used the software one time to set it up then it's saved to the device.

Reminds me of the Ultralight backpacking community. They'll sacrifice all creature comforts just to save a few grams and believe it'll somehow enhance your backpacking trip. It's just playing the number game that doesn't really effect real world performance.

The pinnacle of first world problems lol

Your aim improves from practice not getting a lighter mouse. I started off with the 87g razer diamondback and then switched to the 120g g502 and my aim is as good as ever. I'm also using a pretty low sensitivity.

Great video as usual! A lighter mouse has definitely improved my aim. To address the lightweight+wireless situation to anyone who may be interested, I bought myself a Pwnage Ulta Custom, it's like a wireless Glorious Model D, under 75g and it's been a joy to use!

i like as many buttons on the side as possible even if I don't use all 12 its nice to have media controls or push to talk on the mouse

Personally as someone who uses low sensitivity I prefer wireless because even paracord gets in the way sometimes. I also prefer a solid shell. All the honeycomb ones I've tried will have either my finger somehow landin on a hole or it feels like a cheese grater on my palm.

Subbed man just for how clean your production studio is. I bet your sock drawer is perfect huh? All cleanliness aside you have some good info man. I have most of these mice starting with the Razer Viper Ultimate, Razer Viper, Razer Viper mini, Logitech G Pro wireless, Cooler Master MM710, Glorious Model o/o-, EndGame Gear, Glorious Model D, Razer DeathAdder v2/v2 mini, Zowie S2 and S1, Logitech G305, Roccat Kone Pure Ultra, Zowie EC2, Rival 310 and the HK Mira S. Out of all these mice my top 3 are the Viper Mini, MM710, G305. Thanks man for not being Linus, and you and RocketJumpNinja should hook up and do a video. Ha

Lighter gaming mice do make a difference. You may take a while to get use to it but worth it imo. The pro top mice list may not be up-to-date and most likely will change in the future since light gaming mouse is still new for some people

Love ur mice reviews

Switched to the g502 lightspeed about a year ago coming from Razer. Valorant forced me to drop from my 1200 DPI to 450. Starting to see the ways lmao. Looking for a lighter mouse now but hate that my current options mean I lose at least 4 buttons on my mouse 😫

I used to play competitive FPS, mostly Overwatch (got to Top 500) with the G502. I found I was decent at flick shots to my right, but never to my left. What's your experience? I stopped playing cause I would get too absorbed and have to spend a lot of time maintaining my mechanical skill, but recently started playing single player shooters and man, I miss that FPS rush.

Great video man, keep it up!

I actually improved with my switch to the Cooler Master MM710. I used the Zowie S1 Divina before but I didn't like the glossy finish. So I picked up another mouse. However build quality on the Zowie is much better.

i like this video because this talks about how weight isn't everything. in fact i don't think that weight has much to do with mice and aim at all. use a model o and a g502 interchangeably with arm aim and i see improvements with each switch between the mice. i believe that body and trial and error is the way to go. if you like a mouse like a g502 or a model o then go for it. you can be just as good with either option. just try a bunch of mice and find the best one for you.

With the weights we're talking about here, from 45 up to 120/150g's the individual matters immensely, so much so I don't think you can draw a definitive line under where weight stops/starts being a factor clearly at all. These are minuscule ranges when compared to the variance of poundage per square inch of force different people can produce/maintain control over. I'm a guitar player and teach 4-6 hours a day, while I've got thin/long fingers the lower arm/wrist itself can generate a lot more power than the usual person my size, on the scale of a larger man with more mass behind him. Think of it like I skipped everything but hand day, everyday. For me, 120 feels light and easy to manipulate, but 60 feels like I could throw it across the room at any point if I'm not kinda "clamped" on it, it's too easy to overshoot if I'm not being very wary of the force I'm putting in because that upper threshold is higher. Not to say I couldn't get used to it, but it immediately feels like it's not compatible comparatively to a heavy boi. On the other hand, If I were a woman/man with smaller/less beefy hands 120 could potentially feel extremely sluggish and they'd find an immense advantage to cutting that weight in half. This is one of those things I wouldn't buy sight unseen and just hope it'll be alright. Ideally (not always possible) If you can get a feel for it in a shop you'll likely make a much better purchase for you personally.

It really depends on the position of your hand and the grip. If you are low dpi FPS gamer that uses the movement of the whole arm, than sure, lighter is better. But for me, i need higher and well shaped mouse (example Logitech MX 518), because i control my mouse mainly with my wrist and fingers, my elbow is below the level of the desk, and it needs to be quite heavy (desirably about 80-100g) to have more control and reduce unwanted mouse movement. So in my situation weight doesn't really matter, the shape and the grip texture is the #1 concern (beside the sensor quality, but today even cheap sensors are still very good, not like 10 years ago).

I'm glad you brought up the point that these lighter mice will not help everyone. I actually prefer to use higher dps as well since I dislike the feeling of using a light mouse. To me this is like people putting on swimming suits without actually knowing what type of swimmer they are. I remember this girl in my class nobody paid attention to her cause she was a slow surface swimmer. This is all changed when we did a diver type class, and she did a whole lap underwater without taking a breath. When she came up we were all shocked to hear her say, she only surfaced cause her eyes started to hurt (no googles). These companies advertise these mice like they will make everyone into pro players even if they never been in a competive match.

yo Ali, i assume u use custom video config for apex, seeing from how clear the subjects are. mind sharing those configs?

What lamp are you using in the background to get that neon glow? Thanks.

Are you using the g640 mouse pad?

EC2-B Is a heavy mouse but the shape is there. For me a heavy mouse helps steady my aim when doing fast movements rather rid I used a light weight mouse which I could overshot with because of the weight

I love the pink Divina big pad ec2b for counterstrike. Do you have a wired mouse that you recommend for me based off the size and feel I already use? I do not care about price. I just want the best. I play on low sensitivity and I think I use my elbow.

what was that target pratics game? looks nice to train with to get better

I have the g502 hero and I love it. I’ve never tried a 40 gram mice or anything but I love the way the mouse feels and the two buttons directly to the left of left click, I cannot live without anymore. Might get the light speed one day but we will see

So much details great video

u forget to mention G-wolves skoll, it's the same size as the zowie ec1 (also shaped like it) and its lighter.

I currently have a model O (~2 months) and Im still not really sure if its better than my old G400s, especially weight-wise.

I have Logitech g402 and it’s not crazy heavy and I like the programmable buttons

I've been using a G305 and G900 back and forth. While the weight of my G305 is really nice I feel like the G900 fits my hand perfectly. I feel like I perform better because of the shape of the G900

I kinda wanna see you doing a G305 weight mod...

I use the Glorious Model O, not the minus one though. The larger one fits my hand better and I just feel like the smaller one would've been too light. I was coming from a Logitech G502, and the difference was astounding.

What is that mouse pad? It looks great.

I use a coolermaster mm710 mouse at 600 dpi and I find it to be very accurate. The only thing I didn't like about the mouse is you can only adjust the dpi in increments of 100 instead of 50 in the software.

I personally use G304 and I consider this the beat wireless mouse right now due to it's price and performance. I'm using lithium AA so it weighs round about 90g. How many hours does AAA Batteries give you vs AA batteries?

I am an Ultralight 2 user, not because of the weight and hype/hate behind the brand - But because of the size and shape, it has improved my aim in the titles I play coming from the G305 and Air 58 prior. Also tried the Model O- and Divina S2, but those really didn't suit me at all.

May I ask what was your high sens and what is the low sens you use now? (Would help me determine what kind of mouse I should get)

G305 user right here! For it’s price it is still a banger mouse today, basically a cheaper gpro wireless

I'm pretty fond of heavy mice because they help you make small adjustments when sniping.

You can still buy the Finalmouse Ultralight 2 i know a store with a good ammount of it in stock. the updated Endgame XM1 is my main atm the shape of it is sooooo gooood. i hope for a wireless version of it soon

Tiny mice are surprising good. I used a $20 Lenovo basic cordless mouse size about 2/3 or maybe less of a normal mouse and I loved it. Light! Fast. Ok didn’t last forever but for $20 is was excellent.

Is the mouse glorious and the mousepad glorious a good combo? Sorry for my bad English.

"shape is more important than weight" true to a certain extent. I've been using the basilisk ult at 107g for 3 years, kinda cancer. 20 hrs on aimlabs master 1. switched to the superlight at 63g went on aimlabs, took a bit to get used to the weight and grip but jumped to gm 4 instantly

I know I’m late to the discussion, but I picked up a Hati M Classic at 58G. Feel like my sens is shakier than a mouse around 70ish grams. Thinking about getting the XM1R.

Hi!. Will you review that P-ATX SFF case?.

Yo bro can u pls tell me what would u prefer the cooler Master mm711 or the sharkoon light2? Pls answer me... Thx

What mousepad do you use? :)

G305 is my daily. And I bought the model o when it first came out. Keep going back to g305

Once mice gets below to 100g the limiting factor in its usability become the cord. 50g and less and you start to realize that having cord REALLY sucks a lot, even more than before. I'm all in for 45g and less but it has to be wireless otherwise I wouldnt bother

I'm choosing between glorious model D, G wolfes scoll, zowie ec1 and roccat aimo 200 wireless. Could you comment what mouse is better and why? My palm is 19.5 sm, width 9sm. Palm grip

Just bought the G305 a month ago. With a lithium AAA battery, it's just about the perfect mouse for me.

Which one is good for claw grip?

2030: 0 gram mouse

The endgame XM1 is the best mouse I've ever used hands down.

i have very big hands, XXL glove size, so even the 502 feels small and cramped to me. i absolutely cannot use anything smaller than it as it cramps up my hands and hurts in a matter of minutes. i'm stuck with the chunky ones but i actually like the weight. had some lighter mice before and i typically do worse with them

Do you compare the Gwolves Hati with Pwnage Simm wired? What do you think comunity?

Yeah, cable whip can be noticable if your bungie is so far from your mousepad and you have so much slack to whip around ...

The best mouse is the one that's wireless and has the lowest weight without putting holes in it, which by my accounts is still the logitech GPW which is why i use one. Shape is also important, perhaps the #1 thing for some, then the rest.

my mice path until now: DA Chroma -> G403 -> DA Elite -> ZA13 -> FK2 -> EC2-b -> MX518 Legendary -> Model O -> G305 -> GPW -> Model O minus ->Viper Mini -> M711-> currently waiting for Xtrfy M4 and DA mini -> want to try Viper Ultimate, Model D, DA v2, Model D minus

Im more concearned on the use of optical switches for reduce the input lag even more, hope Logitech and other brands release some mice options wired or wireless because the control quality of Razer Products are questionable.

Actually battery isn't so heavy , so u can use any shell u want (like model o-'s one) and make ur own lightweight wireless mice

What about the normal Model O. I have a medium to large hand and a semi pro csgo player. The model O seems to fit my palm grip play style perfectly.

I'm in it for the shape and size. The weight is something I don't care all that much about as long as its under 90g.

Nixeus Revel is a very good minimalistic Mousse with Sharp Sensor 3360

I'm not a competitive FPS guy (blind in one eye, so it's kind of pointless for me) but I have tried some light gaming mice. My problem is something you touched on: I have large hands. Virtually without exception these mice all disappear under my hand. I've been using a Logitech G6 (got it mainly for playing mmo's). It's large enough that it's more comfortable in my hand. It weighs a ton as mice go, however, heh.

For me a mouse has to be 65-107 that makes me feel comfortable a 45 gram mouse feels like it would fly off the table when u turn on the AC

I use the Redragon M602-a right now, and its 130.4 grams. Should I go lighter?

Good weight distribution,good build quality and good shape makes more sense than a trypophobic nightmare imo

I had a model O, I liked the shaped but ultra-light weight isn't really important and made absolutely no difference to me... I still hit my shots just like I would otherwise and it didn't boost anything in Kovaaks aim trainer. I also absolutely HATE the honeycomb design and after a few months dead skin cells get inbetween them and you have to scrape it off with a toothpick... yuck. I'm going back to Logitech mice. Currently using a mix between g703 wireless and G-pro hero. Gonna buy a G-pro wireless tomorrow.

RIGHT AS I UPGRADE A NEW MOUSE THAT HAS SUCH A GOOD SHAPE COMES OUT

I mean, using the Logitech G402 (Upgrading to G502 Soon) I use/ like heavier mice, speaking that I use 4,000 DPI (Max) and a high ingame sensitivity.

are there any wireless mice under 80 grams that have a similar shape to a g502?