Thanks a lot for sharing this. Very happy to hear about your positive experience. very excited to see how this frame will work out.

@LukeRichardson1981 @klein-concept I'm considering either a ti frame or an carbon bike. But it is very tempting to do the ti frame as the maintance is very low, and that I can have a good bicycle for the rest of my life. When working with a geometry of another bike. Did you just say: copy this frame?

Thanks a lot. Wish you a happy new year as well 🎇

In my day job i also deal with manufacturing in China so thats how i know about this very important time of the year.

Happy New Year Luis. Hope you had a good start. Thanks a lot. Very curious to see how this will compare to steel 🤔

Me neither 🤩

I m actually also considering to at least get the front painted so that it blends in with the black fork. Lets see 🤜🤛

Thanks a lot. Great to hear about your experience with ti 🤜🤛

Happy to hear that. I am also very excited especially after reading all the comments here. Also spoke with Sumi already today. Now i m aware she is a girl 🫣

That sounds like a proper statement. Being your 1 out of 10. Very happy to hear that. Mine should arrive next week. 😍

Hope it can give you an extra push hehe 🤜🤛

Thanks a lot. New proper long build video on its way as well already 🫶

@@klein-concept by the way, can you include information about the process of import fees/customs when the frame arrives? would be interesting to see about imports to germany rather than all the channels that are in the us or australia :)

Good point. Yes i will also include all the import fun once it arrives 🤜🤛

Thank you. I will. The frame has already been shipped so i should have some updates soon.

Thanks a lot for the tip. Will do a proper inspection when it arrives.

Will do. I think it should arrive next week. 🤜🤛

@@klein-concept Any updates?

@@geoleo2597 so far no additional payments and the bike arrived already 2 weeks ago.

​@@klein-conceptdid that overall total include VAT charges?

​@@bobareturnedyes thats all in

That is crazy to get a manufacturer ghost you. Regarding Waltly i read a lot of good things about them and the pictures of the frame look real good. Lets see how smooth the build and ride will be. 🫶

It actually already arrived a couple days ago. Might at least post an unboxing and first impressions already as it might take me a couple more weeks before i get to building it up.

@@klein-conceptdid you have to pay customs fees/ taxes or was the frame delivered directly to your doorstep without issues? I see that Waltly is offering XDB shipping which should include everything. About to order one myself.

@@bastisk8 didnt have to pay customs so far. Sometimes DPD sends an invoice afterwards but ive been told its all included.

Uh a steel Colnago 🤤. Love it. I will try to upload the unboxing video asap so you can get an idea about quality and weight.

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Bin auch sehr gespannt aber reviews sehen ganz gut aus.

Thanks a lot for sharing. My mind has already changed in regards to made in China. So i m very excited to build this one up 🤜🤛

Thank you. It has already been shipped. Should arrive next week. I went with a raw look. Need to think if i want to get it painted here or keep it all raw.

@@klein-concept Maybe you could keep the raw look & laser print some deco details for the bike.

Wonder how lasering would work on a bend tube. Need to read about it a bit more.

Thank you. It actually came with a fork from them with integrated routing.

Sounds like you re pretty happy with your frame if you would consider them again right? Do you feel any big difference compared to other frame materials.

Compared the few steel or chromoly frames the one noticeable difference is the front end is more twisty when stand up pedaling. The chainstays though feels stiffer when sitting down and spinning. I try to keep a 90 cadence and wiggle waggling is something I notice even on the steel frames. It's mainly from a high gearing of 48/14. I reviewed the frame and one thing is the chain slaps the seatstays due to the snake like design. That's really all I'd change.

Hehe real legend 🫶

Happy to hear that. I will start building mine this weekend. 🤜🤛

Me too 🤩

@@klein-concept 😁

No there was none of that. Only that it might not have more impact than 100g. But as i have already spend way more than 250$ to save 100g off a build i thought it might be worth giving it a try. I will check in with them now that i read your comment. Thanks for pointing it out 🫶

Hey Marco, thanks a lot for sharing your experience. I will have an in depth look if what arrived is what i ordered. To fully understand, did they deliver something different than what was send in the technical drawing for approval? Or was there some communication after that that got lost?

@@klein-concept good question…the first trial I did was a Pinion Gearbox MTB, the tolerance on the pinion cage was too much, we could not fit the pinion gearbox and they forgot to cut the downtube for the belt, so it was done later with some signs and marks that I was not happy, also other parts in the chainstay had a big tolerance which we struggled when building. I obtain to ship back the frame and make a new one but they asked me to add severla extra bucks, now I got the new frame, seems ok and it’s almost built, but Sumi forgot to do few things I asked on the finishing, she shipped without sending pictures and at the end there was not wording and finishing was wrong. For me a terrible experience overall, but again, this is my experiemce, your will be better for sure…but if I considered the money at the end I spent, the time it took and the real final outcome it’s not just worthy, I think custom builder has to be easily accessible, frequent communication, trials and errors, and to do it remotely with someone in Xiamen ….well you must be lucky to get it right, but there is some chance to get it wrong! Anyway, this company has a lot of good feedbacks so, I am definitely in the minority group, so you have good chance to get it right! Anyway, great video, I am following you

Uh that doesnt sound like a great experience. Luckily i think my project was way simpler than your s has been so i hope to be on the positive review side. Think i will start the build in 3 weeks.

@@klein-concept yes, looking forward to your new video, I am sure it will be fantastic bike!

Very good point. Yes so far i was planning to keep it raw or get it mirror polished. Any recommendations?

@@klein-concept Polished is the only way to go in my humble opinion. Good Luck!

Yes i had a look at them. They are in almost the same price range when on sale but then i preferred to get a custom one made which matches the geometry of my reference bike.

So maybe a custom ti frame might be the solution. If you dont go for the dual butting and are fine with external routing that would drive the price down as well.

@@klein-concept I'll wait to see how your project turns out. I'm curious what the weight will be. On the Lynkey I had scram rival 1x and it weighed around 16.6 lb. I think it could have easily weighed 16 with a few cheap modifications.

Do they even make bikes for your height? lol

@@TRISHYXX being able to ride a road bike is dependent of flexibility. My latest bike is a Tarmac SL8. As mentioned, if your short it's all about being able to get low enough on the bike

That really sounds like the perfect requirement for a custom frame. So you can have a good looking maybe even slammed stem setup. I now realized that Sumi is a woman. Shame on me 🫣. Already spoke with her this morning.

@@klein-concept yes, that is the idea, at most 10mm spacer

I have also heard that. So lets see. Maybe next thing will be a 5k litespeed frame. Just to compare 😂😂

nahhhhh, Litespeed is in the middle of the road, there are so many boutique builders, Kish Fabrication, English, Moots, Mosaic, Bishop, De Rosa Corum Ti and many others. I am not advocating for expensive frames only but the quality of titanium used and the manufacturing is essential for the ride quality you are after. Welcome other thoughts , in US used TI frames are available for $2k

Good point. You are right. Prices are openended with some of the brands you mention. Was wondering what the main difference is. So you say they use different titanium tubes?

Very happy to hear that and thanks for the advice. I had a similar experience in the first mails but after talking about the specs for a second time and sending the details in a different format allowed them to update the dimensions in the second draft. 🤜🤛

I have a 19 mm but oval chainstay and 16 mm seatstay. We actually didnt discuss the pipe diameter in that area so i relied on their expertise. I think its also 16mm on my steel bike.

@klein-concept on my bike those pipes are 22.2mm and 19mm.

@@hensemzp1 thats interesting. Also a road focused one or an allroad or gravel design?

@klein-concept mine is a gravel bike.But I use mostly like road bike.Maybe because of that. I built mine in the 2020 and planning to build new one.

Ah that might be it that they used more solid tubes because it needs to withstand rides on gravel.

Happy to hear that. How comes you have three frames from them? How do they differentiate?

Pretty good so far. Review coming up once i put a couple more km on it. 🤜🤛

The frame is ready and has been send out. Will give an update once it arrives 🫶

@@klein-concept looking forward to!

I ve done a bike fit a while ago and tried to keep track of it along the way using myvelofit. But you are right it would have been the perfect opportunity. But now i focus on comparing ti to steel so i needed to matching geometries for this.

@@klein-concept ahhh, ok cool, and ya, got your point in doing the comparison to the steel frame

Hey Klein! I'm so glad KZfaq algorithm led me to your video. Interested to find out the difference in ride feel of a Columbus frame to a Ti. I had a gravel bike built by Sumi as well. I had my fork also done in Ti as well to fully customize the rake and height. Made the bike heavier though but I don't mind. BTW. Sumi is a pretty girl. She is not a he, but a she.

@@mikelim5987 hehe glad you found the channel 🤜🤛. I am also very curious in the ride difference lets see. Re Sumi. Shame on me 🫣 and thank you for letting me know. I will correct this of course in the next video.

100% this. My geo is based in fact on the outcome from a bike fit. The bike fitter told me to put a seatpost with reversed 2cm offset (so to the front) and like 5-6cm spacers (long legs, small torso and arms) so this was really calling for a custom frame. Designed it with a very very upright (75deg seat tube) and a very tall headset and short reach/top tube)

Schreib mir gerne eine nachricht auf meinem KleinConcept instagram profil 🤜🤛

Hey, sorry i dont think i understand 🫣