Original Dune Saga: The Machine Crusade
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4 жыл бұрынMany wars have been waged throughout the history of the Dune Universe. But the most influential of these wars was without a doubt the Butlerian Jihad. A War which would ultimately leave humankind free from their machine-empowered oppressors, but also plunge mankind into a dark age in which all interplanetary travel was either too slow to be considered practical or extraordinary perilous.
Generations of humankind endured the Butlerian Jihad. The Great revolt lasted from 200 BG to 108 BG.
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@Agriking 4 жыл бұрын
The puppy was well played. Well played indeed.
@aperson22222 4 жыл бұрын
I think good old Frank had the right idea by talking around the Jihad in generalities, keeping it vague. When each of us read _Dune,_ assuming we were going into it more or less fresh and without much knowledge of either of the dueling EUs, we each came up with our own idea of what the Jihad involved based on those few clues. I didn’t give it a great deal of thought at the time-it was so peripheral to the story-but I think I assumed it was a vaguely Matrix-like fight to the death against robots. But there are other directions in which to take it, many far more interesting than that. I think broad strokes of backstory like this are usually best left to each fan’s imagination. When someone gets around to writing a detailed “definitive” version of the event, it rarely compares to what we’d each imagined.
@skipintroux4098 4 жыл бұрын
I have a different perspective as I read the entire series in chronological order starting with the Butlerian Jihad, and really love the machine wars and how it led to the era of the complete ban on machine intelligence.
@aperson22222 4 жыл бұрын
Skip Introux Hmm, interesting. I’ve never met anyone who read them in that order before. Please elaborate on your perspective.
@skipintroux4098 4 жыл бұрын
aperson22222 the differing writing styles became obvious, if I recall my impressions rightly the Brian Herbert/JIA stuff was more gratuitous sci-fi while the Frank Herbert books come off more sci-fantasy. I suspect my own preferences forAI stories made me more interested in the machine conflict than the seemingly never ending intrigues of the Bene Gesserit for example, but nothing too controversial in my conclusion, the original Dune is the jewel (or is that spice?) in the crown.
@darinr9424 3 жыл бұрын
should read dune the machine crusade
@rayramos8435 3 жыл бұрын
@@skipintroux4098 Interesting how the Butlerian Jihad contrasted with Muad'dib's Jihad during the Golden Path. It seemed that in the former, humans had laudable goals and it was like an intifada,a shaking off of machine hegemony while Paul's war was a culling of himanity in order to fit on theGolden Path. The scope of this whole series is fantastic.
@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 4 жыл бұрын
Just the content we’ve all been looking forward to seeing
@AndiKandarre 4 жыл бұрын
Sun Tsu also had the idea of winning a conflict without a battle. If I remember correctliy he called it the hightest form of millitary leadership.
@JamesEriksen 4 жыл бұрын
Yup. Someone must have left a copy of The Art Of War somewhere for FH to read. Ha!
@vonn4017 4 жыл бұрын
yes..u need premium gasoline to win without combat
@3baxcb 3 жыл бұрын
It may be the highest form of leadership but I'm guessing that very few generals have ever achieved it.
@brandtbollers3183 2 жыл бұрын
Cited very few Examples....
@ryanhampson673 2 жыл бұрын
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” -Sun Tzu.
@roccodebellis2946 4 жыл бұрын
Just finished Dune. Now gonna start Messiah.
@NoNeedtoFeedtheJudge 4 жыл бұрын
Rocco Debellis right on brother
@hermeticxhaote4723 4 жыл бұрын
Enjoy it, and read the whole series! Heretics and Chapterhouse are awesome!
@alishermukhametkali9230 4 жыл бұрын
Me too
@svankensen 4 жыл бұрын
I'd personally stick to the first book. The rest drop in quality a lot and the core ideas and worldbuilding of Dune are all contained in the first book anyway. I suggest reading Cordwainer Smith or LeGuin instead.
@robertcohen1888 4 жыл бұрын
Rocco Debellis I hope you enjoyed dune as much as I did.
@Sk4M_.RangeroftheNorth 3 жыл бұрын
The Butlerian Jihad is one of the most intriguing and amazing stories from the Duniverse. Im seeking out the book to read but honestly think this has the potential to become an amazing cinematic saga. Im working my way through all of your videos on Dune and find them fascinating. Thanks Quinn.
@realmchat6665 4 жыл бұрын
I like this format of breaking down specific stories into small segments, I hope that you do more content like this, in any case thanks for all you have done and continue to do.
@sawedhammer2679 3 жыл бұрын
You present the worlds you describe with excellent clarity and sound visualization, great work!
@adrianchatman5734 2 жыл бұрын
I loved the Butlerian Jihad series. Very well written imo. Erasmus was a great villain.
@ossem1 4 жыл бұрын
Quinn, thou shalt not use the likeness of an adorable puppy to acquire Patreon supporters!
@3baxcb 3 жыл бұрын
Is it alright if he uses the likeness of any puppy to obtain control of the Spice itself?
@DistantEarlyWarning 4 жыл бұрын
Finally some more Dune content, great stuff as always!
@StoryBake 4 жыл бұрын
Quinn, I just want you to know your videos are epic. Thanks for making quality content. 💯
@robertmckenna3994 4 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing the next video on the Butlerian Jihad. It is interesting to compare the two stories.
@BRBearUSA 3 жыл бұрын
The artwork in this video is awesome man! Keep that up, please!
@paullandry6573 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the puppy surprise ending. After such a very serious presentation, that but of levity was excellent.
@AethyrPrime 4 жыл бұрын
If you compare the plot of Frank Herbert’s B.J., to that of Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson. They are nothing alike. Frank Herbert’s has so much more gravitas to it. You can tell he had a vision.
@klyanadkmorr 4 жыл бұрын
Brian is the case of the Apple falling hundreds of Meters away from the tree.
@blackphoenix77 4 жыл бұрын
I ignore Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson's Dune stuff: it's not canon IMO.
@isaacgriffin5690 4 жыл бұрын
That's to bad you feel that. Brian Herbert's books are what got me into Dune as they're an easier read with more action. I think it's to bad so many people are hostile towards their vision when its likely their books get people interested in Dune. Just be glad they've tried to continue the story rather then letting it die with Frank.
@TheJohno95 4 жыл бұрын
@@isaacgriffin5690 It annoys me how many people consider that Dune Encyclopedia canon and hate on Brian and Kevin's work. Frank didn't write the Encyclopedia and said himself that it wasn't canon. He respected their work, but didn't accept it into his own canon. But, you can't change these purists minds. They'll go their entire life hating Brian and Kevin's awesome work for the sake of purity. They remind of some of those Butlerian cultists from that last trilogy. And they'll never know what I mean by that.
@elizabethw7756 4 жыл бұрын
Brian and Kevin's writing style will never come close to Franks. I doubt if they got anyone to write more stories in the dune universe it wouldn't even come close. I have to say i prefer Franks writing. I've read all but the last book they put out, which I'll probably read b/c it has the dune name attached. I like most of their stuff, but a bunch just doesn't fit with what's in the original books. Whether or not they've been faithful to the notes Frank left, we'll never really know. I've never read the encyclopedia, hope to though so I can't really comment on that
@dickiedollop 3 жыл бұрын
This really is a great channel, I read all the Dune series many years ago being inspired by the Dino de Horrendous film directed by David Lynch (which I thought was very good all things considered) I think I might read them all again as there’s a lot to read. Thank you Quinnyour channel is a credit 👍🏻
@jamesmaples1255 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear your thoughts on what Frank Herbert was trying to teach us through the events and outcomes of the B.G.
@nivekleveb8872 4 жыл бұрын
I'm currently reading Battle of Corrin and its interesting to see the similarities and vast differences between this version and the one in the prequel novels.
@JennySimon206 Жыл бұрын
I'm reading The Machine Crusade right now. Just read The Butlerian Jihad.
@jedidrummerjake 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for all your informative videos!
@knightshousegames 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting you brought up Foundation for those bloodless victories, the description of it reminded me of Salvor Hardin completely owning Anacreon.
@kwill81 4 жыл бұрын
Best plug for patreon. That is such a cute puppy.
@juckoosaurus 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid Quinn its been a really shitty sunday until this
@danibee9943 4 жыл бұрын
Agree. Thank u Quinn. 🙂
@dougsignorovitch1493 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, Great channel Great work Thank you 👍👍👍👍👍👍
@hellodarkness5644 3 жыл бұрын
Love your content Quinn. Just found your channel after rekindling my Dune affair.
@justintaylor6604 4 жыл бұрын
You are the My Name is Byf of Dune! Your content is amazing, I can’t wait to see more.
@TheJaviferrol 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice of you to pull double duty in these hard weeks
@MinusMaximusXX 4 жыл бұрын
I love your vídeos. I had know this chanel by the Game of Thrones (HBO) vídeos, but the dune content (my favorit book) was what made me stay
@Bluemilk92 4 жыл бұрын
Such a drastic change in format, when compared to your "Ultimate Guide to Dune" series! The Covid struggle may shackle your ability to produce content similar to those works of art. Or, maybe "The Algorithm" AKA the ethereal entity that motivates KZfaq content, favors these shorter videos. Regardless, I love it, as always. I can't wait to see where you go. I've a few books to read before I go into the Dune "extended universe," so I'm metaphorically *lusting* for any morsel of information regarding this aspect of the "canon" timeline. It helps that you've clearly proven yourself to be a superfan, yet also astute enough to grasp some of the deeper themes inherent in the series.
@Henbot 4 жыл бұрын
Says jihad and waiting for YT to demonetises
@HighLordSythen 4 жыл бұрын
Shows how silly the policy is.
@Jay-ln1co 4 жыл бұрын
"Butlerian Isolated Incident" just doesn't have the same feel to it.
@gabbar51ngh 4 жыл бұрын
Context matters
@johnroach13 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jay-ln1co Isolated Incident lmao, it does sound funny af though. He really could just say the great revolt
@bradlemke7550 3 жыл бұрын
They probably don't want to cause issues with the Muslims. It's a religious idea not just the word war so they don't flag it or whatever they do. It's all stupid the 90s and 2000s was all about reducing censorship the 10s are all about brining it back I guess. Sad really
@erudite6640 4 жыл бұрын
This channel is great for "Dune" lovers. Quinn has a good narrator's voice.
@childofthanos84 4 жыл бұрын
Yes!!!!! I was waiting for this one.
@lindaw9687 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@hermeticxhaote4723 4 жыл бұрын
I am in the Seattle area, thank you for posting this video while I sit my ass at home. Time to reread Dune again!
@shaihulud4515 4 жыл бұрын
Every time I watch Quinn's vids, I want a Dune comic novel so hard! Much more than any movie...
@MThyne-oz2zu 4 жыл бұрын
My head is spinning. But I'm all in. Nice job young man. Jeez.
@SannasBookshelf 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! As usual. :)
@weedle5221 4 жыл бұрын
you just earned yourself a subscriber!
@Theinfamouskiki411 4 жыл бұрын
love these vids on dune and i signed up for your book!
@aaronarguelles8322 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta Love Quinn and the Dune videos man!!! Awesome!!!
@josephclark7814 3 жыл бұрын
I loved the later books and I’m glad they were written.
@fifthofascalante7311 4 жыл бұрын
Finally some Dune, my favourite stuff! I just can't stomach any more GOT. Looking forward to more Lovecraft as well.
@JJMHigner 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@mackd5308 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@patrickwrightson2072 4 жыл бұрын
Well played with that puppy, sir. Damn.. a clever bastard indeed 😂
@keirscott-schrueder5625 3 жыл бұрын
This is really interesting, I wonder if Herbert thought about what his universe looks like now in 'present' day, then wrote reasons to explain that, or the other way around.
@florianadolf2256 2 жыл бұрын
This is, objectively, the *best* channel. Hands down.👇
@John_II 4 жыл бұрын
I really like your videos. I happen to like the Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson books (Butlerian Jihad, Machine Crusade, and Battle of Corrin) better than the Dune Encyclopedia. But you really knock it out of the park when you narrate these. :D
@PantherJaguar 3 жыл бұрын
I love those books too. Brian and Kevin don't deserve the hate they get.
@pontificateyourlife4536 3 жыл бұрын
Heathen! KJA is a hack.
@barrybend7189 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Quinn please review the Dune inspired manga Five Star Stories by Mamoru Nagano. Its a good series.
@CZpersi 4 жыл бұрын
I wrote it under one of your other videos, but before Brian Herbert came with his prequels, I liked to consider Matrix and Dune to be parts of the same universe.
@AethyrPrime 4 жыл бұрын
That is actually how I describe Dune’s history to the uninitiated. “Did you ever see the Matrix? Well that is essentially what happens 20,000 years before the story of Dune. So all thinking machines are banned, there are these human computers called Mentats...”
@CZpersi 4 жыл бұрын
@@AethyrPrime Exactly!
@BlckCloud73 2 жыл бұрын
I just totally geeked out at work explaining the Butlerian Jihad to my coworkers.
@antonleimbach648 3 жыл бұрын
Frank Herbert created such a rich and deep world. You videos do it justice, thank you for your hard work!
@makeracistsafraidagain 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the entire series of books.
@UpcycleElectronics 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Quinn, I have one question, although unrelated, is Scytale's inner narrative reference _"... Farok might never even have heard of a camel or of the Golden Age of Earth."_ (p51 Dune Messiah) The only reference to Earth or are there more?
@nihilus0 3 жыл бұрын
5:48 I love this bit bc of the logic and cause&effect - only the rich with their wast resources could stay afloat, so if you’re lucky to be born in such a family you’re all set. And so the nobel families rose. With no government feudalism was the only outcome in such a large system.
@trikstari7687 4 жыл бұрын
I need to know the music you use in these videos. It just....works.
@hendrsb33 4 жыл бұрын
Why do I get the feeling you're holding that puppy hostage? Lol!
@ScaryBaldMan 4 жыл бұрын
First, I like this Butlerian Jihad much better than the abomination we got from Brian H. and Kevin A., and I think it's what Frank Herbert envisioned. Secondly, the idea of winning a conflict without battle sounds a lot like Miles Teg's way of doing things in Heretics.
@HeathenGeek 2 жыл бұрын
Earth. It's such a simple name. I wonder what the other inhabitants in this universe call it.
@harrisonhunter9433 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, makes me want to write epic scifi novels that are too long
@GeneraluStelaru 4 жыл бұрын
That was neat!
@LegionaryAtticus 4 жыл бұрын
NGL the puppy was the best part of the vid bro
@TheJebBushOrchestra 3 жыл бұрын
“Ideas of fire and SPICE”
@AmazonKC 4 жыл бұрын
I Cant tell if I really love these stories or if I love your telling of them. You really should do voice over for audio books. You make even boring things sound really interesting. We're all going to need more real entertainment in these boring and anxiety producing self isolating times.
@MrCountrycuz 3 жыл бұрын
Have you listened to the Audio books of Dune read by Simon Vance? They are my favorite way to listen to the 6 books of Dune.
@AmazonKC 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrCountrycuz No I haven't but I'm thinking that it might be a good way to go. I will look for that name when I look up those books. Thank you.
@Wedneswere Жыл бұрын
nice puppy. "thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a dawg."
@freewilliam93 4 жыл бұрын
Have you read The Book of The New Sun? Its had more side stories like dune past the core story. Your vids on it would be anything but torturous, its my faveorite book series.
@JS-hd5uy 4 жыл бұрын
Good job.
@kyle857 4 жыл бұрын
You can't have calculators! Didn't you defeat us using starships? Do as we say, not as we do!
@conlinbryant5037 4 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered what's the human limit for computerless technology
@klyanadkmorr 4 жыл бұрын
ever hear of abacus used for centuries to do math and steam punk or older gearing can be used with out embedded self aware thinking machines AI
@kyle857 4 жыл бұрын
@@klyanadkmorr Yeah, probably not for calculating FTL travel or doing the math needed for even modern high end engineering and weapons production.
@fwootamala 4 жыл бұрын
I'd say I only joined your Patreon for the puppy but I didn't know about that. My prescience needs work.
@shellyhaner7503 3 жыл бұрын
Well done with the puppy. How about some kittens too? They need our support too! 🐈💜🐾
@AdamDawoodjee3 4 жыл бұрын
What are the sources for this video. Interesting but different from Brain Herbert's books
@Reverandfatdave 4 жыл бұрын
This video was better than the 3 books.
@midgetydeath 2 жыл бұрын
In other series, the robot slaves rebel against humans. In Dune, a group of neckbeard brats took over the Internet and networked machines to enslave humanity.
@stargatefever 3 жыл бұрын
What is this from? I only know the Kevin j anderson novels. I thought i read all of frank Herbert's also but I never heard this before
@RobinJohnstonphotography 2 жыл бұрын
I’m still traumatised about what happened to Paul’s pug puppy in the 1984 Dune film.
@BobfishAlmighty 4 жыл бұрын
I really need to read _Dune_ properly. I read a couple of them, out of sequence, in my late teens, but never committed to the full series
@ATREIDESDUNCAN88 4 жыл бұрын
I read them back to back 4 times. Back when there was 15 books.
@ATREIDESDUNCAN88 4 жыл бұрын
You could also just listen on audible.
@BobfishAlmighty 4 жыл бұрын
I'm only really interested in the core six, so it shouldn't take me too long. Just need to stop procrastinating. All those video-games won't play themselves ¬_¬
@michaelfisher7170 4 жыл бұрын
Start with Dune and read in sequence at least the Frank Herbert series. I'm not a fan of his son's works. Like Christopher Tolkien, the son isn't the father as an author.
@BobfishAlmighty 4 жыл бұрын
That is, indeed, the plan. This time
@benforrest8271 3 жыл бұрын
KZfaq has Dune: The Butlerian Jihad audiobook now do th same with Machine Crusade and Battle of Corrin, I would like to listen to the otherz also, please let me know if you can find/make the rest, thank you very much
@craigharvey-gurr337 4 жыл бұрын
Since that the new Dune movie is coming soon, I hope there will be future Dune movies and tv series.
@sulla1537 Жыл бұрын
1. I’d love to see a film adaptation of this but doubt it’d resonate the same as the later Dune stories due to the sweeping changes in appearances and technology. 2. Dune is underrated in its “practical” predictions of humanity’s future.
@poposterous236 4 жыл бұрын
4:17 Hey, that's a Crusader Starliner, how'd that get in there?
@AriManPad8gi 4 жыл бұрын
Very cute puppy :)
@yellowrose0910 3 жыл бұрын
"Thou shall not make a man in the likeness of a machine".
@necronhex 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome makes me want to go out and destroy some Ai
@erichusayn 4 жыл бұрын
Awww. Cute puppy.
@themowgli123 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Quinn. Do you follow the Star Trek Picard? It looks like they have "adopted" the Butlerian Jihad and other ideas from the Dune saga .. what do you think?
@demogorgonzola 4 жыл бұрын
Just some thoughts about the similarities... - Zhat Vash vs Quwat Milat is starting to look like Bene Gesserit vs Honored Matres (both female based secretive and powerful), and of course the crusade against synths like the Butlerian Jihad... bane of the old civilization and a new impending doom because they did survive somewhere in the universe, - Dahj/Soji/Jona may be a construct like Duncan Idaho Gholas. They could have their pre-ghola memories reawakened by forcing to experience some kind of psychological trauma (like activating Dahr in ep 1 or later Soji at assassination attempt), or... by sexual imprinting techniques (what Narek was trying to do), - Using doctor Yueh to kill Atreides in Dune and using Dr. Jurati to kill Maddox, - Hugh was killed by a needle dart like a Gom Jabbar, - the scene where exBorgs almost rip apart Narissa looked like the death of Beast Raban, - blue search-eyes on holo-Rioses like spice-eyes of Fremen...
@themowgli123 4 жыл бұрын
@@demogorgonzola Aha .. you've caught more than I did. 👍
@themowgli123 4 жыл бұрын
@Finn MacCool ripped off is more apt 😊
@sahamal_savu 4 жыл бұрын
George Lucas and many others ripped off Dune in so many ways over so many decades. Nothing surprising.
@josevieira5700 4 жыл бұрын
@@sahamal_savu George Lucas is a bandit for the rip offs he did
@ATREIDESDUNCAN88 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite book
@harkonnentruppen4094 4 жыл бұрын
The Crusades against the machines...crazy times man...
@DaviesMartinezBeats 4 жыл бұрын
Verrrrrrry Much looking forward to you covering the first 3 Legends books... In my opinion, they are the best out o the entire Dune series....
@aubreybilskyrozier 4 жыл бұрын
Can anyone verify weather or not the Herbert got the name Butler and the JB from the author Samuel Butler ? My research lead me to a very interesting paper by S. Butler called ‘Darwin among the machines’. It’s actually an incredible piece that was far ahead of its time in thought. Considering the machines at the time. I don’t think the name Butler can be a coincidence. It’s a must read.
@archmageaskara 4 жыл бұрын
I am suddenly very confused. What books is this in? I have read the Brian Herbert's Butlerian Jihad, and this doesn't seem familiar at all. Is there a video where you explain the continuity?
@elizabethw7756 4 жыл бұрын
This is from the encyclopedia of dune. Brian & Kevin's version is very different. From what I read in a different comment on this video or a different one of his is that not even Frank considered the encyclopedia to be canon. He approved of it but he didn't write it
@RX552VBK 4 жыл бұрын
Im proud to say i still have my original Dune Encyclopedia from '84. The paper cover is gone, the spine is fractured and the pages turned crumply and dog piss yellow. But I still read it every ten years or so. LOL
@holonet2936 2 жыл бұрын
I still have mine too. Cover a little beaten up but still attached
@claudeyaz 3 жыл бұрын
Bro you look great in the hat.
@wangbot47 4 жыл бұрын
YAY Dune stuff
@Mark-ft8yx 4 жыл бұрын
4:45sec Looks like a Genesis StarLiner from the game Star Citizen. Good choice, it fits right in there. Does anyone else play SC? Maybe one day it's space will be as vast as Dune.
@mpalfadel2008 4 жыл бұрын
I love frank Herbert His work is immortal and unmatched by all but the most celebrated of sci-fi writers of all time if that But this half fleshed our version of the machine crusade doesn’t flow as well as the version his son compiled from his notes and polished by Brian Anderson Not a popular view amping those who know the series as eruditely as Quinn but that’s where I stand Btw read the whole series multiple times Read all of the expanded universe material except for the three House books Tried but the first book never hooked me Cheers
@landocalrissian8758 4 жыл бұрын
Could you please put your GRRM books in chronological order?
@mirabellaj.miranda4453 4 жыл бұрын
Ideas!
@brandtbollers3183 2 жыл бұрын
"Thou shall Make No Machine in The Image of Mans Mind."
@timothyvonvictory7105 4 жыл бұрын
Power plays over violence
@sandbridgekid4121 2 жыл бұрын
Official prequel trilogy of Dune series made this video the Dune: Legend Universe.
@AshtonCoolman 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought this war was against the thinking machines was more like a war against the Terminators or Men of Iron in 40k.I'm a 40k fan and I know that a lot of it was strongly influenced by Dune. I always feel like Dune is 40Ks backstory in a lot of ways 😅
@marcusaaronliaogo9158 Жыл бұрын
I think Frank Herbert implies it to be like humans fighting against humans who use thinking machines.
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