My son might be autistic and we are scared... how autism affect child growth... do they become violent or gard time studying or do they have any language barrier when they grow up.. thanks

Omgsh I was thinking of starting it I'm glad I saw this video and these comments. There's nothing wrong with how my son plays i don't care if he lines up his toys, looks at then from all angles, etc. I actually love watching him I'm surprised they tried to stifle that!? I agree there's nothing to be fixed. I just want to teach him life skills and to help him, not stifle his curiosities and how he plays the last thing I want is to cause him harm

@@adrialee8149 If your son seems particularly interested in lining up these toys, these toys are likely his Special Interest Area (SIA). SIAs are great educational tools to help autistic children learn all kinds of things. I'll give you a few examples. 1) There's a true film called "Life Animated" about an autistic boy who couldn't speak and was very interested in Disney. The boys parents noticed their son was imitating the Disney characters, so the parents began speaking to him like Disney characters and the boy rapidly progressed. 2) There was a girl who could only read first grade books and was interested in space. The school got her parents to read a book about space with her and within 2 months she turned from a first grade reader to someone halfway through grade 2. 3) There was a boy who didn't know how to keep an appropriate distance from his peers, he was always entering personal space of others who was interested in the Titanic. Each time the boy was about to invade someone's space his supervisor said "Iceberg ahead!" and it made the boy stop before he hit the iceberg, then it didn't take too long to learn how to keep an appropriate distance from his peers. Whatever you want your son to learn, link it to his interest, have a read about Special Interest Areas online if you want to know more.

Right!!?? I totally agree ! What’s the problem w lining things up? They told me my son would get mad cause they wouldn’t let him “finish” the puzzle he started!! Why not just let him finish the puzzle??

I agree and I'd add that "improving the quality of life" can also be done the right way or the ableist way. The right way is to listen to the child (first) and the parents who know them the best (second). What's practically needed to make the child experience joy in their everyday life? What makes them happy and grows their confidence and joy to live? The ableistic way is to think that looking different will bring struggles to the child like bullying, so we should teach the child to hide (to mask) their difference. No, that's the duty of the environment, to get educated and become more accepting and accommodating. We don't hide physically disabled children from the society (anymore), why should the autistic children be hidden?

Absolutely instead of trying to make them fit into a box they should be looking at how that child learns. I’m order to teach them the best way.

The only way neurotypicals will ever listen to survivors of ABA abuse is when they learn the truth for themselves. After having my experience with antipsychotics disregarded, I decided to step back, remain silent and let them learn. Harsh? Well, they taught me to be that way.

Well some kids are non verbal and parents want any help available. It might not work for you but can work wonders for others.

There is a autism herbal recommendations I got about dr Oyalo and his herbal remedy has work perfectly on my sons improvements in speech and social skill and my son fine till now

I think the therapy you are talking about needs to stop being called ABA. It hides a majority of questionable ABA clinics behind fluff that ABA is “not how it used to be”

This makes me so incredibly happy and sad at the same time. I am so sorry that you are experiencing these issues now.

I used to do ABA for 4 years at home. I barely remember them because I was 4-8 at the time. I don't recall any abuse but I do remember I finding it boring.

@@bunnybird9342 The abuse happens beneath the person's skin, ABA techniques literally harm the inside of the body. To ABA humans are just a sum of behaviors, everything biological is disregarded.

You need to understand that autism is a spectrum so the response from your kid might be different from those who oppose it. I encourage you to try and monitor each an every stage

@@michiremwaura9811 Literally every scientist who has nothing to do with ABA opposes ABA because it is a direct violation of the science community's bioethics code. Have you heard about the doctor in China who was jailed for 3 years for altering an embryo with CRISPR? Scientists went berserk because it was entirely against the bioethics code and has the potential to end genomic research. Secondly, no scientists support the limitations of the naked eye. The science community in general opposes ABA including psychology.

You’re responding to them like they’re a parent of autistic children rather than an autistic individual. Read the comment again.

You did the right decision, since there's no cure for autism... we shouldn't even be looking for one, that's the wrong approach.

@JudeHavina I hate these kind of replies 🙄

I didn't have ABA either, just antipsychotics (Tegretol, Mellerill, Zyprexa, Solian and Risperdal). The "first and only option" of the medical professionals I saw over the years. Sure, the drugs may have "helped" with anger and insomnia, but when the side effects include weight gain and facial tics, who really benefits? Not autistics!

Drugs do help some people in proper dosages over limited time periods, but not for me. Two types of people Sharon: me and everyone else and sooner autists start depending on themselves and not others, especially Psychiatry, the better off we be ~~

She talked about how ABA is compliancy training. This becomes a hell of a lot scarier when you consider the possibility of an adult asking a child to do something that adults shouldn't be doing with children. It's extremely dangerous to try to take away a person's ability to say "no". Dog trainers will point out that this is absolutely unacceptable in dog training. You are not allowed to train a dog in any way that endangers the dog. You may train a dog to stop barking on command, but you may not train a dog to simply not bark at all, because that would put the dog in risk of serious danger. Dogs need to bark for their own safety. In other words, comparing ABA to dog training is an insult to dog trainers.

@@SynthApprentice That's what I'm saying. We don't train dogs to say, "I don't want to be petted," or to tolerate being petted, but we train children with autism to suppress their emotions, and to learn to tolerate certain sensory stimuli. We are also taught to learn to accept the vibes other people give off as totally normal and acceptable, even though deep down, we have that 'bad feeling' about said people's intentions, but aren't allowed to trust it. A dog is always allowed to trust their gut feeling about people.

There is a autism herbal recommendations I got about dr Oyalo and his herbal remedy has work perfectly on my sons improvements in speech and social skill and my son fine till now

What you mentioned about the insurance is very frustrating. Ours covers ABA but not OT or speech therapy, which is what we decided to do.

That’s not true! You’re misleading people. Aba successfully teach them to request things they need, yes or no stop bad behaviors like addicting to playing games. So many things that are mandate to survive. It does work.

​@@greengreen9326 Works to do what? Get you what you want. "addicting to playing games" They're children, are you expecting them to spend their freetime doing even more work? This is how we know you don't love your children, if you loved your child you wouldn't feel the need to change him. You: "son, I will only ever love you when you jump through my hoops, I do not love you for who you are."

@@greengreen9326 ABA teaches them to people please at all costs and to abandon their own self regulatory techniques even if these are safe ones! turning autistics into total people pleasers when they are already potentially vulnerable leaves them at a very high risk of being groomed by predators. Also an fyi multiple scientific studies of ABA have concluded that the "behaviours" deemed to be not neurotypical enough ie the behaviours ABA works to change or remove are actually not going away these children are just masking. Have a research on what kind of damage years of masking and people pleasing does to autistic people.

​@@greengreen9326 it sounds very sus if one simple method works for every issue you have with a child. Learning to request things - are you sure the child wouldn't have learnt that by any other method? Like the ones that emphasize natural, mutual (also to the direction of the child) and respectful interaction? Addiction to games - you may not like it, but your child loves the games, and maybe also gets an escape/break from the struggles they have on daily basis? Trying to find ways to ease the child's struggles irl & finding things that motivate them very much irl that are not games, could work, for example. Sure aba sounds like "an easy answer". But do we expect to have just one trick to manage every issue we have with a neurotyoical child? No, we look at the situations separately and try to see the things from the child's perspective. Which is what autistic children need and deserve as well, instead of cold "dog training" and killing their spirit to follow your every order.

it might be good for your child, it helped some a lot.

Thank you so much!

Wow I didn't know this about the US. Here its a fight to get ABA therapy funded.

@whitneymason406 hi! I’ve been trying to figured out if that is possible I want to have a “shadow teacher aba for him at daycare in other for him to move up classes he is 2 we live in Nj can u tell me more plz?

@MariaCorrea-ev4vj Hi, does your child have an autism diagnosis? Have you been referred for ABA services yet?

@@whitneymason406 yes he has been diagnosed since he was 17 months now he is 26 months. He does early intervention and some therapies with copay ( insurance) but I’m in that boat that the daycare don’t want to move him up he is still in the infant class. So the director suggested a shadow teacher, I’m not sure if I want to do aba with him cuz I’m scared but the insurance will cover aba I was told now I don’t want him to go to those “ centers” so I got surprise u mention he got the aba at daycare, wonder how to do that!

@MariaCorrea-ev4vj yes so some ABA centers are able to send an RBTs (Registered Behavior Technician) into the home and some allow them to go to school. It depends on the state, company, and the policies that there have on place. I would call centers and see what they allow. 💞

Thank you Sarah! yes, the food thing is a huge deal at the moment

Thank you for sharing your experience Dean, it is so informative to us as parents to listen to your experience and learn from it to impact our children's experiences. I am so sorry you suffered stress, rejection and trauma that's awful!

@@aussieautismfamily Thank you! ☺

Aw , I apologise it's taken so long for me to get the guts to post this. Jacob has been out of ABA for over a year and I was just in fear of judgement.

One thing that constantly comes to mind when I think ABA is Pavlov dog's.

@@MsB130 Pavlov's theory that human beings are nothing more than stimulus response animals without a soul is at the heart of most psychiatric and psychological "Therapies". It's important for the public to know how these "Professionals" view their fellow human beings as this will and does influence how they treat them. It was very astute of you to notice the "Stimulus response animal" theory at work in ABA torture.

​@@aussieautismfamilyI'm glad you had the guts to post this. It needs to be said, even if you didn't learn it sooner. Judgment, that's... tricky. I wouldn't be honest if I said that I didn't have a mix of feelings listening to this. You made mistakes, and for that, I don't think you're a bad person. At the same time, you recognize that your mistakes may have caused some damage, and that means you'll have to face some very hard truths about the consequences of those mistakes. I think it's fair to expect you to carry the responsibility of the consequences of your mistakes, while still not judging your moral character for simply making the mistakes. You seem to already understand this, which makes me optimistic.

Absolutely!! I wish I knew more back then, but I guess its good now sharing the experience for others.

Jacob loves dresses, so I also let him wear whatever he likes and feels comfortable in! 100% I'm the same with eye contact

@@aussieautismfamily right now he’s only an occupational therapy. I try medication to help his mood and he told me it was making him frustrated and angry so I took him off the drug the next day.

Aw thank you so much

I love that. ABA needs to change or we need something other than ABA.

There is a autism herbal recommendations I got about dr Oyalo and his herbal remedy has work perfectly on my sons improvements in speech and social skill and my son fine till now

We need to have an alternative name for a better way that isn’t abusive ABA.

Thank you so much!!!

@@aussieautismfamily 😘🥰

OMG! Thank you so much. I always felt that the measure of mental health being how well a person complies and follows orders would make a being like a dog 🐕 the most well-adjusted, intelligent being. The system wants to turn as many human beings into neutered dogs as possible. Autistic and/or ADHD people may very well just be persons with a mind and trajectory of their own, not necessitating the reward of validation from others.

How is it “going out on a limb” to liken it to gay conversion therapy? It’s the same therapy, devised by the same man using the same principles, just applied to a different group of people.

what is the best approach to deal with autism... my son is 2.5 years old

Very well known and renounced animal trainers train “focus” and it is so helpful in dogs.

You should always look into and research therapies for yourself, this was just our experience. I hope he finds a great therapy that works for him!

@@majahello how old are your twins. Our doc just recommended this therapy for our four year old son.

@@majahello wow, glad to get a real and honest answer to this. Glad to hear everything is going well for you and we’ll definitely look into this now. Thanks again!!!

​@@deboman81 You should also listen to what actually autistic people have to say about their ABA experiences.

@@EclecticallyEccentric where can I find that?

If any BCBA does a general plan then they aren’t doing it right and need to be reported. The whole basis of ABA is that it is personalized.

Truth!

I agree .. I have asd and I have 3 kiddos with it as well my son has level 2 autism and we have to put him in aba therapy because it’s helped and it’s worked for him .. we put him in for elopement and communication issues (he had a drowning accident 4 years ago) so for me I’d say to each their own. You may not like that he has to wear clothes and hurt but it’s apart of life you can’t be comfortable always and I’m a big proponent of pushing your self out of your comfort zone (also in training as an rbt so I’m a supporter of aba )

There is a autism herbal recommendations I got about dr Oyalo and his herbal remedy has work perfectly on my sons improvements in speech and social skill and my son fine till now

We ended up going with a sensory friendly brand called 'comfort on the spectrum'

Right! We don't know a lot and trust professional opinions.

To your first paragraph: yes, traumatised most often, corroborated by autistic adults who went through the process. To the rest of your post: i hope you realise what they were doing is bad and that it may be a good idea to consider a different job or atleast not join in at the very least.

Jacob does speech, occupational and music therapy. His sessions are mostly at home!

There is a autism herbal recommendations I got about dr Oyalo and his herbal remedy has work perfectly on my sons improvements in speech and social skill and my son fine till now

i relate to the sunglasses. not to the degree of panic attack (i get those for other things regardless) but growing up (without a diagnosis and therapy) i managed to figure you other people didnt have problems with bright lights and so i always thought of myself as too weak and useless if i cant look straight into the sun. i even had a period where i would stare into a lamp for hours with tearing eyes just to try to become less sensitive to lights. of course that didnt work. ive now finally come to a point where it suddenly clicked to me that other people have needs for certain things, such as glasses if their eyes are bad and no one thinks diffrently of it. just because i need diffrent things than what is considered standard, doesnt mean im more needy or weaker than other people. just diffrent

I love this!

Yes I agree it can be useful in some things, however just not for us!

There is a autism herbal recommendations I got about dr Oyalo and his herbal remedy has work perfectly on my sons improvements in speech and social skill and my son fine till now

Why is it always the victims of bullying who have to change? Why are we, the autistic, the ones who need therapy? It's the bullies who have to change and need therapy in my book.

Yeah it sounds like this lady took all the programs steps as a bad thing because the boy cried or was out of his comfort zone …. It’s going to happen just seems like she’s overly protective to where she’s hampering any progress. She doesn’t want to see him shed a single tear. It’s like going to the gym and never really going hard just kinda loitering and being afraid of what the machines can do out of fear of discomfort

@@BigALdeek sensory issues are not discomfort. Sometimes they are physically painful like being stabbed. There is an actual difference between autistic brains and typically developing brains in the way our senses are processed.

⁠@@budgetforsuccess835you don’t know that your making an assumption. There’s no Tests that’ say sensory stimulation with small things can be jabbing pains ! I understand your soft and emotional but the world is tough! No one will baby you when you get out there. Yes things have to be overcome with sheer will and persistence. I’m not saying force things on day one but change is hard and it’s a long road YOU WILL Face adversity in every sense. So many try and cocoon the child in safety blanket and the kid falls apart when the parent isn’t there. You will NOT always be there remember that.

@@BigALdeek Umm I am not assuming as I have sensory issues with Autism so it is a reality and yes I do function daily with the hard world and you don't know me so do not assume I am "emotional and soft" I am just explaining it is more than "discomfort". I am not a parent either so I don't know why you are acting as if I am babying a child. Yes change is hard yes learning how to deal with life is crucial I am just stating that unless you know the parent in the video assumptions about her should not be made the way you made them. I know you are trying to insult me but I am not offended and not arguing. Goodbye.

@@budgetforsuccess835I’m sorry I wasn’t trying to offend. I also have a family member who is autistic and non verbal and extremely Aggressive. So my comment is aimed more at aggression and overcoming that issue. I’ve noticed the moment a child is being helped they don’t like it and the parent jumps in and doesn’t let the healing happen. Look at cancer patients ! You think the recovery process is smooth? And painless it’s not it’s torture but it’s heals and you are reborn when completed successfully

There is a autism herbal recommendations I got about dr Oyalo and his herbal remedy has work perfectly on my sons improvements in speech and social skill and my son fine till now

Thank you Tyreese!

Please know this is our experience only, you know your child best, you know his therapy. I would just keep an eye out on the real goals and how they get to those goals.

Thank you for that perspective. My son is autistic and I try to protect him while still pushing him to do things for himself it's good to hear this

@@adrialee8149 Thank you for such a nice note. Sending best wishes to you and your family. The fact that you are even mindful and have some internal debate tells me that your son is a very fortunate young man.

@@migbham1 thank you, he's my world for sure ❤️ I can tell you and your son have an incredible bond too

@@adrialee8149 😊 thank you, but I actually don't have a son. I am the son.

@@migbham1 oh oops my bad I got confused and thought that comment was from the mom in a video regarding aba therapy!!

There is a autism herbal recommendations I got about dr Oyalo and his herbal remedy has work perfectly on my sons improvements in speech and social skill and my son fine till now

There is a autism herbal recommendations I got about dr Oyalo and his herbal remedy has work perfectly on my sons improvements in speech and social skill and my son fine till now

So glad I found your channel. I am 55 and just got my diagnosis last year. You have helped me so much learning how to cope with things

Autistic fairy, Autistic adults against ABA are not been ableist about the matter. The problem is most ABA is not actually ABA, most interventions call themselves ABA for the sake of insurance, they are not actually ABA. Even though I am against ABA, I recommend "ABA" to parents because it is not actually ABA. Actual ABA is no different to gay conversion therapy, if it's not conversion therapy, it's not ABA.

@Daniel Moore even that is an ableist comment. Some people. Actually most autistics need basic skills. Like zipping up a coat, going to the bathroom. I left these communities because they are so extreme anti teaching. Has nothing to do with ABA. It's about shaming people into teaching life skills. I'm so done with this able bodied pretence. Just because reinforcement of certifian skills don't agree with you don't mean someone doesn't need it. Now new trend is no communication training even. Are you kidding me? I'm glad I'm not an extreme autistic to such a degree that if it don't benefit me it shouldn't be offered to others. I do have certian extremes, but thankfully not in the area of empathy and perspective taking. Teaching someone skills is not conversion therapy. Punishing someone for being autistic is, but sadly comes more from the autistic community than any skill teaching fields.

@Daniel Moore I work with super voilent individuals. I don't care what toxic communities call it. But they need to learn adaptive and acceptable ways to express themselves.

I would try it…the problem is it all depends on the therapist…it’s kind of like a crap shoot. We had a great one and then two “less good” fits so we stopped after that and just do 2 hours a week with our original therapist. Most RBTs are young college kids just starting out so finding one good with kids that’s the right fit for your child’s personality makes all the difference.

Ms. B, ABA is for no one if you actually do research concerning how ABA techniques effect humans in the long run. You may not see anything hurting while he’s young, but ABA only begins the development of numerous health disorders. Scientists say behaviourism is not for humans because of the limitations of the naked eye disregarding everything happening inside your child’s body. ABA damages the nervous system and other biophysical factors, in ABA there’s no child development, physiology, neurology, mental health, the disabilities themselves included. For example, one of their techniques is to ignore undesirable behaviours, but according to child development, physiology, neurology, and mental health, ignoring a child who needs attention is psychologically harmful causing trauma, hinders development, and as the child ages into adulthood that piece of trauma had been gradually growing and continues until it develops into mental and physical health disorders as severe as cancer. Just like smoking gradually develops lung cancer, the cancer does not come immediately. If you choose to do ABA, don’t ignore what is happening under your child’s skin by sticking with the limitations of the naked eye. If your child shows any sign of distress immediately stop whatever the therapist is doing. Even though we have more technology and scientific discoveries about health than ever today, this is why health is deteriorating worldwide, these little pieces of trauma are seen as so normal that they are disregarded, we didn’t ignore these little bits of trauma in the past which is why they were fewer health problems. Our world has become so stressful, and stress alone is the cause of numerous physical and mental health disorders. So you must never disregard distress no matter how small it is if you don’t want to hurt your child in any way.

Thank you all for your input and opinions I appreciate it a lot as I don't have other people, family, friends I can talk about this with. We did however decided to just stick with occupational therapy and not explore ABA options. Our son has flourished with his OT and is not the same boy he was only months ago, in a good way. He went from being non verbal, meltdowns that had self harm, only eating red fruit and visual stimming with no interaction to a happy boy that loves to play WITH his little sister, had normal 2yr old tantrum, can tell me what he wants 80 to 90% of the time, follows 2 step directions, no self harm and can eat us out of house and home. Last doctor visit they said he gain more than what was expected and are no longer concerned. It just has been incredible to watch.

@@MsB130 I'm glad to hear the good results, ABA not being for humans is the whole reason why specialists developed new methods of interventions like OT, CBT, DIR Floortime, Music Therapy, the newer interventions are health based while ABA is only concerned about changing behavior which is ineffective in the long run according to decades of research.

Of course ABA helped you. With no doubt. That’s what it’s designed for. It’s designed to make your life easier by training your child like a dog. Since your child is not a dog your child suffered through ABA and still suffering from trauma. Congrats!

No, no no lol ^ I will not tolerate others bullying others because they say they do ABA therapy for their child and it works. LOL are you serious right now? Even this awesome mom (who posted this video reiterates over and over,) don't let this deter you from getting your child help. This was HER/HER child's experience. And yes, actually I am a ABA therapist and AS one I actually agree with this mum (I am a mum myself) on why ABA was detrimental for her baby boy. And she also mentions how every child is different, what might work for one might not work for another. With that being said I do agree that withholding foods is a no. I and the correct way to do ABA (which is a huge problem; hiring people who don't actually care for children who only sign up to work as a therapist for the paycheck and that's when ABA is being done incorrectly,) they definitely need a better system to not just hire anyone. Moving along to some of the therapy/trials taking place with the child. Real and true therapists know withholding food or rewarding with food is not ok. I don't like it, you are right who withholds food from a baby? With that being said, the whole eye contact trial (I have it in my plan with the two kiddos) I don't make them look me in the eye the goal is to simply get them to respond to mom, you (the therapist) or peers (friends), by turning around and looking at that direction. Because alot of children with autism (depending on diagnosis/severity) will just stare blankly, and no, we are not here to" fix" these children. They don't need fixing they are beautifully themselves, they have their own personality (so funny and sassy haha some of them) , they are loving and my kiddos do love me. Now, (yes there are times the kiddos won't want to hang out and that's understandable) they know what I'm there for and they simply don't want to work and that's ok. I will literally leave my session if it's clear that my kiddo does not want to that day. He is entitled and should be able to say "I don't want to do this today and should not be forced.) I know when my kiddos are being pushed to their limits and I do not force them to do something they don't want to if they're tired. They go to school and they should not be forced into doing more work. They are babies, little children and should be able to get upset if they're not feeling up to do therapy and are tired. So, yes; I do agree there things that need to be addressed and changed within ABA. In my own personal experience (I'm new to this going into my eight months and I still consider myself new), but I have seen progress with the way these clients socialize without hitting peers (some clients with severe diagnosis bite, scratch cause physical harm to others.) Throwing tantrums just to get their way? Lol is not acceptable just like any child. They are more than capable to understand they can't kick their parents or throw themselves on the ground screaming and crying to receive something because that's not helping them that's causing harm too. Teaching them if I just yell and hit I'll get my way. And while I can see the perspective and understand where this mom is coming from and agree, that some things shouldn't be forced. I do believe (when done CORRECTLY) ABA can help. Again, it might work for some and it won't for others and that's okay. No one needs to be sitting here writing nasty comments in response to someone saying they do, do this and it works.

@@cindymelgar2259 Oh that's right YOU'RE the victim here. How DARE those autistic people describe the trauma they had from undergoing torture. Just because YOU do not torture your clients does not mean that the field isn't broadly abusive. Also those 'severely' autistic clients you describe as 'throwing tantrums to get their way'....they're likely intellectually disabled. Imagine if the being touched caused you profound sensory agony, and you didn't have the mental capacity to understand why people kept causing you such pain. If your brain was literally designed to focus on a 'special interest', making it a rare source of comfort/joy in your life, and someone just took it away. You'd fight back and try to protect yourself. THAT'S why many 'severely' autistic people often hurt others. We can also bite ourselves, punch our heads, etc. because for some reason that feedback helps reduce sensory overload and can help PREVENT meltdowns. When non-autistic people act in these ways, it's usually just to hurt themselves. We are neurologically different from you so our behaviors do not have the same meanings. You can still address safety without dismissing our disabilities.