Otto Hightower Did Nothing Wrong | House of the Dragon Explained

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In-depth analysis of Otto Hightower from House of the Dragon.
Among the fans, there is a highly negative sentiment towards Otto Hightower, and from the way in which people speak of him, one might assume that Otto is the epitome of evil and the worst person in the world. However, I believe that this perception is based on assumptions and a lack of understanding of the distinction between what we and what Otto knows.
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@willsalomone4137
@willsalomone4137 5 ай бұрын
Daemon is a sociopathic narcicist who murderered his young wife. Otto's determination to keep him away from the throne demonstrates his commitment to the realm.
@seto_kaiba_
@seto_kaiba_ 4 ай бұрын
Otto's opposition to Daemon is entirely hypocritical given the fact that he wants to put a degenerate lazy pdf file on the throne. He is not committed to the realm at all. He is a moralistic, deceitful, self serving hypocrite.
@pruthvirajchavan-patil380
@pruthvirajchavan-patil380 4 ай бұрын
Low iq comment​@@seto_kaiba_
@persephone342
@persephone342 3 ай бұрын
Otto reminds me of Ibrahim Pasha, Grand Vizier under Süleyman the Magnificent.
@darriuscole8544
@darriuscole8544 3 ай бұрын
​@@seto_kaiba_ - A lazy bum on the throne is much better than a crazy murdering lunatic. A lazy bum will simply let the hand rule for him.
@rexibhazoboa7097
@rexibhazoboa7097 Ай бұрын
@@seto_kaiba_who is the pdf file? I don’t remember any implication that Aegon was a pedo.
@TihetrisWeathersby
@TihetrisWeathersby 7 ай бұрын
Otto fits perfectly into what a Medieval Lord should be and would have done
@bri-manhunter2654
@bri-manhunter2654 13 күн бұрын
Otto Hightower, from House of the Dragon, may exhibit characteristics common to ambitious medieval lords, but his actions exceed typical medieval conduct and venture into morally reprehensible territory. Unlike many historical lords who sought power through marriages, alliances, and occasional conflicts, Otto’s methods are marked by extreme manipulation and betrayal. He actively plots to subvert the established line of succession by placing his grandson, Aegon II, on the Iron Throne, directly opposing King Viserys I’s declared heir, Rhaenyra (Martin, 2018). This deliberate undermining of the king’s will and destabilization of the realm through instigation of the Dance of the Dragons marks him as particularly unscrupulous (Condal & Sapochnik, 2022). Furthermore, Otto’s willingness to sacrifice familial bonds and moral integrity for power highlights his exceptional ruthlessness. Historical medieval lords often balanced their ambitions with loyalty and duty to their kin and liege. Otto’s betrayal of his own family members and manipulation of key figures to incite civil war suggest a level of moral bankruptcy that goes beyond typical medieval power struggles (Abraham, 2022). This relentless pursuit of power at any cost, even at the risk of plunging the realm into chaos, positions Otto not as a standard medieval lord, but as a figure driven by an excessive and destructive lust for dominance. References Abraham, D. (2022). House of the Dragon: Behind the Scenes. HBO. Condal, R., & Sapochnik, M. (2022). House of the Dragon [TV series]. HBO. Martin, G. R. R. (2018). Fire & Blood: 300 Years Before A Game of Thrones (A Targaryen History). Bantam Books.
@goro114
@goro114 11 күн бұрын
​@@bri-manhunter2654 Well, it's no secret that showrunners sympathize more with Blacks. Although for me he and the Greens are almost heroes who saved the dynasty from a bastard on the throne.
@ElectricAlect
@ElectricAlect Күн бұрын
⁠@@goro114bastard?! How is Jace a bastard when A - Laenor and Velaryons accepted him as part of their family with Corlys saying “They remember names, not blood” and B - He still claims legitimacy through his marriage with Baela who is the daughter of Laena and Daemon and C - Jace would have made a good king through diplomacy (Dealings with Freys, Starks, Arryns)
@goro114
@goro114 Күн бұрын
​@@ElectricAlect He is a bastard, and Laenor's opinion is irrelevant. Whatever he accepted, it will not change the circumstances of Jace's birth, which disqualify him from the throne.
@ElectricAlect
@ElectricAlect Күн бұрын
@@goro114 it is relevant when the head of the dynasty accepts as his own, and Laenor the father accepts as his own as well. It does not disqualify at all.
@Rengokuo4o6
@Rengokuo4o6 7 ай бұрын
. FINALLY COMMON SENSE!!!!! Corlys was willing to give his 8 year old daughter to viserys but everybody forgets that happened.
@mg-cx5tv
@mg-cx5tv 5 ай бұрын
Exactly !!!! Though she was 12 not 8 but yes people are ignoring everything of blacks side .
@Rengokuo4o6
@Rengokuo4o6 5 ай бұрын
@@mg-cx5tv Aaaah my mistake.
@dontatme__
@dontatme__ 4 ай бұрын
The right choice was Corlys daughter. Politically it made more sense. He would have married into a more powerful family and solidified unity throughout the realm. This is a mistake he tried to rectify by Marrying Rhaenyra into their family.
@endor8witch
@endor8witch 4 ай бұрын
because the show is putting the targaryeans on the forefront...subconsciously people root for the targaryeans and see the hightowers as social climbers. sadly people don't think objectively, but that's also part of how the fandom behaves
@darriuscole8544
@darriuscole8544 3 ай бұрын
​@@dontatme__ - The right choice would have been to marry low-born whore or no one at all. Any high-born marriage was a threat to Rhaenyra. A son of Viserys and a former whore might have been a threat as well, if he was competent, but at least he would not have the family of a lord paramount bound by blood to back him.
@thalmoragent9344
@thalmoragent9344 7 ай бұрын
People calling Otto the "new littlefinger" and "a snake" don't understand his character at all. By all accounts, he was a solid Hand of the King, did it for years, and was Politically savvy
@conharb
@conharb 11 күн бұрын
I would take it a step further and say they fail to understand the world at all. It feels to me that "Team Black" watchers approach the world from their own contemporary perspectives, rather than attempting to understand the culture, laws, and norms within the world... Otto is incomparable to Baelish, and is hardly even a morally grey figure...
@10bunks12
@10bunks12 10 күн бұрын
He more Like Tywin
@tjjordan4207
@tjjordan4207 9 күн бұрын
I viewed him as the new Littlefinger when watching the first couple of episodes (of the first season), but he grew on me over time because he was more so a logical person with layers to his character and I realized how wrong I was to project him as another Littlefinger. He truly loved and wanted to protect his daughter by marrying her to Viserys, while also serving his own needs. It does create some questions about which is more important to him but I don't doubt his love for her. Also, he understood his place and worked to keep himself in that position of power that suited him.
@snipershot6014
@snipershot6014 5 күн бұрын
Who says he's like Littlefinger???? I always thought larys was more like littlefinger than otto
@mrsnulch
@mrsnulch 5 күн бұрын
Larys is the closest parallel in this show to Littlefinger. People who compare Otto to Littlefinger are smoking crack lol. Otto is more similar to Tywin, behind Hand of the King and ruthlessly politically savy.
@user-ti5cw1ug6l
@user-ti5cw1ug6l 7 ай бұрын
There's nothing that makes Otto exceptionally evil for a man of his setting. He's just the archetypical ambitious lord. Most lords would've taken the opportunity to marry their daughter to the unmarried king without a son as well. On the contrary, he's such a pragmatic and talented statesman that even Jaehaerys I recognized him. He pretty much always gives the most objective advice for a medieval context. Haters will say that him picking Rhaenyra over Daemon and then Aegon is a contradiction but it's not. Male preference primogeniture says children of Monarchs's come before siblings and that principle does give Rhaenyra a leg up over Daemon. With Aegon however, the dilemma becomes brother or sister. Also, Aegon marrying Rhaenyra is much less weird than Daemon marrying Rhaenyra. The age gap is much worse for Daemon and Rhaenyra. It was the best advice. Considering that Aegon and Rhaenys are the male and female candidates to the throne with the strongest claims or that the customs and precedents heavily support the Greens at all, Rhaenyra's claim with bastards to follow her is so weak that she would have to deal with Aegon, Aemond, and Daeron to save her dynasty from them or their descendants. Them or their descendants will inevitably press their claims against the Strong boys at some point since they could always claim to be the true kings. Otto didn't orchestrate this war as much as people think he did. In understanding a medieval setting one can see that most of what Otto says is common sense. This is why he would support a son even if he wasn't his grandson. Succession rules applied consistently means less dynastic conflict because people aren't claiming the throne by wildly different metrics (heir by customs and precedents vs named heir). As for his hatred of Daemon, it's clearly justified given how so many of his actions already would be grounds for deposition or would otherwise be seen as extremely cruel even by medieval standards. He's the epitomy of "doing whatever the hell you want just because you're a Targaryen." He's summarily executing people all the time. He's a literal murderer and does it in almost every episode.
@MrFredstt
@MrFredstt 6 ай бұрын
And, despite what people think about medieval societies, killing your wife and/or treating her the way Daemon did was always looked down upon. Everyone even knows Daemon killed her or at the very least they suspect him of doing it. Viserys was just too spineless to do anything about it
@mg-cx5tv
@mg-cx5tv 5 ай бұрын
First of all even if rhaenyra doesn't wants to kill her siblings she would have to eventually because there would always be a risk of rebellion and backstabbing etc even if she wouldn't have had bastards , she would never let her half brothers live or anyone from her side would have get them killed if she would become the undisputed queen. Suppose if after war greens lost , blacks won and in this alternative version all rhae rhae's kids are alive. How can people be so naive as to think that Daemon Targaryen would let her bastards take place before his own trueborn sons? That man is crazy about blood purity and all. He would have find a way to get rid of strong boys one way or another and before or after would get either full control over rhaenyra aka queen or put her in a cell or something , I mean are we forgetting that he took her to brothel to defame her and wanted to marry her simply to get closer to power ? Besides what otto did is same what corlys did just played better and won. Yeah I hate all this as a woman and feminist but in those days things were unfortunately like this and that's why people don't want to understand TG characters ( except few actually problematic ones like Larys, aegon ) , people think they would seem old fashioned to even understand these characters so they simply settle for seem silly and judge these characters by 21st century. Those who can't understand HOTD's medieval world should really watch Magnificent Century, that series is the reason why I could understand TG and intentions of Alicent specially.
@4549uef
@4549uef 5 күн бұрын
The ironic part is that you can totally remove the Greens descendants and still have a real civil war between the Strong boys and their little brothers (Aegon and Viserys) because ain't no way Daemon the supremacist will be happy seeing Jace Strong sitting at the iron throne while his silver haired boys are just the "loyal brothers", lol Daemon's whole personality is about not respecting those with more than 25% non-valyrian dna 😂, and I don't want anyone to tell me he won't because Jace will marry Baela, Daemon not once thought of Baela's rights on Driftmark (neither the feminist Corlys and Rhae) all for the sake of getting closer to the throne through Rhaenyra, I don't think he'll chose Baela's offspring over his own sons, on a final note: the Blacks are extremely patriarchal, because they're ready to take away Baela's rights and give it to any boy whether a Velaryon or not, a trueborn or not (I'm pointing out to Alyn) Corlys will give Driftmark to any boy but not Baela yet expect the Greens to throw away their beliefs and safety for Rhaenyra and her Strong boys because it's convenient for him and his ambition, the Blacks are misogynist in denial, the worst type
@mmmelancholia
@mmmelancholia 24 күн бұрын
The only problem with Otto is that he underestimated the stupidity of his grandson Aegon and didn't prepare properly prepare him for the throne. Even though Aegon isn't a monster as Maegor was, he's a terrible king, driven by lust, anger and hedonism. Otto recognized this a long time ago - but either he nor Alicent took Aegon under their guidance or tried to change his behaviour.
@shakaibanwer2174
@shakaibanwer2174 21 күн бұрын
Aegon was never raised right, he had a deadbeat dad and an emotionally manipulated woman as a mother.
@deejaydj6013
@deejaydj6013 6 күн бұрын
In further defence his first born was also brutally murdered. I think anyone would go crazy
@mmmelancholia
@mmmelancholia 4 күн бұрын
@@deejaydj6013 Yes, that also plays a huge part in his development. He might not always have been the best husband or even the best father, but he clearly loved Jahaerys very much. :(
@yakubu05
@yakubu05 2 күн бұрын
Aegon was a mess well before he had children. He was failed by his father, mother and Otto. In their defence they were ruling a kingdom and probably had little time but they should have made time.
@thomasjuniardi3559
@thomasjuniardi3559 Күн бұрын
I must agree with this one, if father and mother failed educate their son than a grandfather duty to step in especially for a man with so much power like Otto 😅
@khfan4life365
@khfan4life365 2 ай бұрын
I love that Otto has spent his entire life ruining Daemon's aspirations for the throne. I have a thing for underdogs and to see a mere knight and second son unabashedly defy this prideful, malevolent prince who thinks himself so superior is just entertaining as hell.
@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096
@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096 26 күн бұрын
Wait Otto was a second so god I got to reread fire and blood
@AL73250
@AL73250 18 күн бұрын
@@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096 Yeah, his older brother even appeared in Season 1 (and looks much younger than Otto 😅)
@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096
@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096 18 күн бұрын
@@AL73250 and now I got rewatch hotd
@ratikantrout1865
@ratikantrout1865 3 күн бұрын
In the end otto line dies out but not the hightowers they are really smart when you think about it, all through the dance nothing happens to the old town they suffered some losses to their army and wealth but they pretty much came out unscathed out of the dance.they even get a Targaryen princess as a bride, daemon daughter 😂 no less.
@xtron1234
@xtron1234 2 күн бұрын
@@ratikantrout1865 Hightowers stay winning no matter what 💪
@abdulwahab558
@abdulwahab558 4 ай бұрын
You can hate Otto as much as you want but you can't deny the fact That OTTO IS ALWAYS RIGHT EVENTUALLY
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin 3 ай бұрын
Fax
@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285
@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285 Ай бұрын
I mean, He started a civil war that irreparably harmed the Targaryen dynasty. And caused untold devastation and loss of life.
@vahagnmkhitaryan9909
@vahagnmkhitaryan9909 22 күн бұрын
Even if he had done nothing, the war would have started sooner or later, because the "heiress" wants to put a bastard on the throne after herself, despite the fact that she has two legitimate younger sons, how many years would have passed until the children of Strog and Daemon start dancing and plunge the country into complete A nightmare? And that's not to mention that the Greens will always be in danger with a king consort like Daemon. God, just let Aegon be king and the country will forget about the blacks as a terrible dream
@TheRealHerbaSchmurba
@TheRealHerbaSchmurba 21 күн бұрын
He caused the dance by over stepping his ambition. He was doing well until wanting Aegon to be crowned. He already secured dragon riders exist in his family line and that his family is royalty.
@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285
@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285 21 күн бұрын
@@TheRealHerbaSchmurba Beyond that he expressly violated the will of his king who he was sworn to serve to the best of his ability; Viserys had never expressed any desire for his daughter to be anything other then his heir. Beyond that, Aegon the 2nd was ~quite frankly~ shit; he had none of the proper education or experience to perform the duty of leading the realm and as such his reign was frankly lackluster.
@regulusvalorant
@regulusvalorant 7 ай бұрын
How people blame Otto for what Viserys did or what didn't I never understand. Viserys always thought he is living in a wonderland while Otto knew the reality of Westeros.
@tylergracyne2511
@tylergracyne2511 3 ай бұрын
Uuuh, because perhaps, he’s her father while viserys is not emotionally or familiarly responsible for her
@rexibhazoboa7097
@rexibhazoboa7097 Ай бұрын
@@tylergracyne2511what are you even talking about?
@thebighoney9034
@thebighoney9034 Күн бұрын
@@tylergracyne2511 me when I can't read:
@mrsnulch
@mrsnulch 5 күн бұрын
Not sure why people compare Otto to Littlefinger. Larys Strong is this show’s closest parallel to Littlefinger. Otto is more like Tywin.
@MarkStorey-dc4tm
@MarkStorey-dc4tm 7 ай бұрын
You make some very interesting points. Still Otto's plans often seem pretty flawed. If Aemond hadn't happened to claim Vhagar (something Otto had nothing at all to do with) the Greens position is far weaker. Otto later launched a Coup d'etat in Aegon's name without first securing Aegon's support. There was a non-zero chance that he could have been left without the king he was fighting for. Even once he had Aegon on the throne it was a king who'd never been prepared to rule and who actively disliked Otto. I think the popular villification of Otto is exaggerated but to say he did nothing wrong is going a bit far.
@ValaritasYT
@ValaritasYT 7 ай бұрын
Of course I am not suggesting that he was successful, clearly he was not, but I think from his perspective, he did what he had to.
@Shahi_lancer
@Shahi_lancer 7 ай бұрын
As a grandfather, he was not wrong for expecting Aegon's support in the coup.
@thalmoragent9344
@thalmoragent9344 7 ай бұрын
Wouldn't say he actively disliked Otto, just wasn't overly fond of him
@Thrawn23.
@Thrawn23. 7 ай бұрын
Still not sure about that. Rhaenyra sent her sons off after saying she does not want to rule over a kingdom of ash and bones. So she definitely planned to try to get the throne
@pg1448
@pg1448 5 ай бұрын
This is some fair criticism. Otto really should have put more effort into preparing Aegon for his role and paving the way for a smooth succession, he could have secured him strong alliances beside the Hightowers and Lannisters and found decent marriage pacts for his siblings. And he should have encouraged them to claim powerful dragons like Vermithor or Silverwing. It's amazing how poorly they were prepared for something so predictable and long awaited as the kings death. I suppose his efforts were hindered somewhat by his dismissal and his absence in Aegons youth. He also couldn't risk making his intentions too obvious to Viserys. If Aemond hadn't claimed Vhagar I don't think Otto would have proceeded as he did.
@roguecraft8456
@roguecraft8456 5 күн бұрын
I really like the duality of Otto's character. On one hand, he's committed to the good of the realm, whilst on the other, he is a self serving politician who wishes to advance the status of his own house. Many of his actions are understandable within the context of the world, even if they are not justifiable by our standards. Brilliant character.
@loudwhispre9406
@loudwhispre9406 27 күн бұрын
You're forgetting all the times that Viserys tried to give Daemon the benefit of the doubt, and Otto told him with zero proof that Daemon was plotting against Viserys. And whenever Daemon would try for Viserys' attention, Otto would intercept those efforts, and tell Daemon that Viserys doesn't trust or love him, which Otto KNOWS isn't true, since Viserys tells him that he wants to reconcile with Daemon. When Otto goes to Dragonstone, he lies to Daemon's face that Viserys has no interest in hearing out Daemon, despite Viserys suggesting he to go to Dragonstone to settle the feud himself. Otto might not be as slimy or traitorous as Littlefinger, but he's just as conniving and dishonest. Truthfully, Otto is Littlefinger if you remove all of Littlefinger's weaknesses and replace them with more intelligence. Otto did what Littlefinger couldn't. He was able to obtain the second highest position in the realm, and secure power for his bloodline in as few political maneuvers as possible. Peter Baelish never even came remotely as close as Otto Hightower to sitting on the throne. Otto Hightower is closer to Tywin Lannister in terms of influence and power, as both effectively ruled the seven kingdoms from the position of Hand of the King, by controlling young kings with no head for politics. But to say that Otto Hightower was faultless is a lie and a delusion, or a purposeful misrepresentation of the truth. He had plenty of insight into Daemon, and was worried mainly that Daemon wanted to replace Otto, and there was precedent for it. Kings had often names their brothers to be Hand of the King, and Daemon even confronts Viserys for the very fact that Daemon was never made his Hand, so we know Otto was right to be worried about his job. But the way he went about securing his position, trying to sow discourse between Daemon and Viserys, and knowingly trying to usurp Rhaenyra's claim to the throne (he knew Viserys wanted Rhaenyra to be Queen, but went against it anyway) was all kinds of underhanded. As soon as Aegon is crowned king, Otto spends the rest of the Dance waging war against the rightful heir, that's treason in the show, and its dishonest because we all know that he knows Rhaenyra is supposed to be queen. Otto knowingly pits brother against sister, and causes a civil war. He obviously doesn't expect it to cause the extinction of House Targaryen, but he's also still starting a civil war. Whether you hate or like Otto Hightower, you can't act like this is for the good of the realm. This is pure selfishness, he's willing to spill blood and let all seven kingdoms suffer the casualties if it means he wins.
@Bft149
@Bft149 16 күн бұрын
People saying Otto proves to be correct later on are also being disingenuous since he is a key player for the events that happens. If he were a bystander observing from the outside it would makes sense but since he’s actively throwing rocks and pointing fingers it comes off as hypocritical.
@yassincowboy3876
@yassincowboy3876 5 ай бұрын
Otto Hightower is my favorite character in HOD. I agree with you 100%. That is why I support Team Green.
@grahamo5966
@grahamo5966 7 ай бұрын
Otto is the only sane person in the show 💚
@RayVitoles
@RayVitoles 22 сағат бұрын
Rhaenys?No?
@Otto-Hightower-
@Otto-Hightower- 6 ай бұрын
It's so good to be among my own people Team Green Forever 💚💚💚💚
@maedre1759
@maedre1759 6 ай бұрын
My lord hand!!!
@maedre1759
@maedre1759 7 ай бұрын
finally someone with a common sense.
@CCEkeke
@CCEkeke 19 күн бұрын
The mistake Otto made was not preparing Aegon on the DL to be king.
@spottedslash4256
@spottedslash4256 16 күн бұрын
Didn't think that Aegon was going to be so impulsive and stubborn. A terrible miscalculation.
@flippy5555
@flippy5555 7 ай бұрын
If only this video can go viral to all the supporters of the blacks, It's like they are applying the standards of the the modern world instead of the times envisioned by GRRM esp the role of women and security for family imo, Thanks for great content , Go Greens
@Leo_ofRedKeep
@Leo_ofRedKeep 2 ай бұрын
Black supporters are not applying "standards of the modern world", only the fantasies of the young fools who call themselves "progressive" and believe they are the first generation to have a brain.
@rexibhazoboa7097
@rexibhazoboa7097 Ай бұрын
The writers and directors either purposely showed the story from Rheanyra’s limited pov, or the audience are easily lead astray. Because put a dope background music behind some useless character and suddenly, they are baddass? I hope the writers write and direct the greens like they are the heroes in season 2, I want to see how people react to that so bad. Then in future seasons, play neutral.
@Allyourbase1990
@Allyourbase1990 Ай бұрын
The first season I absolutely hated Otto . After watching the first 2 episodes of season 2 , I’m hating him less and less . He hasn’t done anything that’s truly evil unlike Daemon and Rhaenyra.
@sushmitaraodesaraju6330
@sushmitaraodesaraju6330 2 күн бұрын
What did Rhaenyra do that was "truly evil"? Also, Otto had the body of a child paraded in the streets against the parents' wishes in season 2 episode 2.
@A_divisive_scarecrow
@A_divisive_scarecrow 2 ай бұрын
I am so glad there are still people out there who are able to think, and analyze smart decisions and motives of people and not confuse it with treachery and malice. In GOT it was kinda obvious that the Lannisters are the bad guys since they have done several evil things with or without much reason, like Joffrey and Cersei did. But here both sides are relateable and understandable, and it's up to the audience whose side are they on based on their views. It's partly because of Otto why I am team green since their characters feel much more real, relateable, disciplined and overall a lot of them are much more better people than the blacks. In summary, that was a great video explaining how many of Otto's moves were based and actually bold and smart. So great job my man!
@Sly-Regicide
@Sly-Regicide 10 күн бұрын
He was the one that encouraged Viserys to name his own daughter over Daemon as succsessor. I don't see why he couldn't make Viserys see all the conflicts ahead with her named as heir. I thought of Otto more like Tywin.
@danthemancushecan
@danthemancushecan 9 сағат бұрын
In episode 3 (season 2), Rhaenys said "Otto Hightower would never approve this". She was referring to the attempted assassination of Rhaenyra by Ser Arryk, which resulted in his and his twin brothers' deaths. Even Rhaenys knew that Otto was a reasonable and level-headed man.
@joeyhamilton6854
@joeyhamilton6854 4 күн бұрын
It’s important to remember that Vizzy is like the 5th targ king. The second king was killed by Maegor. Maegor married a Hightower and horribly abused her and the realm. If you see Desmond as Maegor 2 then a lot of Otto’s actions begin to make sense.
@sushmitaraodesaraju6330
@sushmitaraodesaraju6330 2 күн бұрын
The second Targaryen king was Aenys. He died of poor health. Maegor wasn't even in Westeros when that happened. Maegor killed his nephew Aegon, who was the heir to the throne, but was not king. And just like Daemon, Maegor had a love-hate relationship with his brother and thought his brother a weak King, but neither of them ever tried to hurt their brothers. If Maegor and Daemon had actually wanted to hurt their brothers to seize the throne, neither of them would have gone into exile silently when their brothers banished them from court and from Westeros. They would've just killed them instead, because both Maegor and Daemon had formidable dragons. Yet they never did that, did they?
@AdinoyiSuleiman
@AdinoyiSuleiman Күн бұрын
The expression Otto had on his face before going to inform Viserys of Rhaenyra's shenanigans kind of stood out to me, almost seemed like he knew it would benefit him, but was still reluctant to do it because he does care for Viserys and Rhaenyra too to an extent
@krulidn
@krulidn 3 күн бұрын
Almost all of these refutations are red herrings. The main issue people have is that his ambition to have his grandson on the throne, no matter how unfit he is, and despite the fact he's not the named air causes the war. Otto planned to have Aemon crowned even before he was aware of Alicent's misunderstanding of the king's final words. You'd have to argue that Otto was right in directly disobeying his king's orders for his goals and that there would be a rebellion if the Green faction didn't pop up around Aemon, without the support of the hand and the high council. In the scenario that Otto forewent his ambition and supported the Rhaenyra's planned succession, I don't think it's likely there would have been a groundswelling of lords going against their word and rejecting her. If you can't disagree with that, you have to rely on your rationale that Otto's ambition is justified and justifies the war.
@paulhammSOLD
@paulhammSOLD 7 ай бұрын
Very well made. Made me reconsider my thoughts on Otto 👏
@AndreFlickUS
@AndreFlickUS 7 ай бұрын
as always great explanation/analysis from Mr. Valaritas! But still, I support the blacks and Otto would never gain my affection.
@elmaestroco
@elmaestroco 19 күн бұрын
Saying Otto is not evil, fine. But saying he did nothing wrong is a bit of a push. He kept the King “drugged” so he could run things. As hand, he well knew that Viserys’ wish was to have Rhaenyra as heir to the throne. He didn’t just put his daughter in front and let things evolve “organically”. He was very much actively trying all he could to undermine not only Rhaenyra’s claim but also that of her descendants. He knowingly pushed many decisions that would have broken the King’s word (ex: The new Lord of Driftmark. Thanks to the King’s epic return that ruined his plans). At every point, he tried to draw a wedge between the King and his Targaryen family. He used his position to push his own interests above (not concomitantly, or even right after) those of the King. That alone makes him bad. The contrast was clear when Lord Strong was the hand.
@sushmitaraodesaraju6330
@sushmitaraodesaraju6330 2 күн бұрын
Exactly!!! He actively tried to start a civil war, where both sides had dragons. He knew of the devastation that would cause. He is not evil for being ambitious, he evil for placing his ambition for the throne over the lives of the millions of people that live in Westeros. If the Green faction didn't exist, would Rhaenyra's succession been challenged? Probably. But the other side would not have had dragons. People consider Otto evil because he started a needless civil war and ruined the decades of peace that Jaehaerys and Viserys worked for.
@izzypfutzenreuter
@izzypfutzenreuter 7 ай бұрын
I love Otto tbh. I think he’s more comparable to Tywin who I also love.
@Wait_who_am_i
@Wait_who_am_i Ай бұрын
In terms of medeival sense… he is a good father. Perhaps even in modern times he’s still a good father. His terms are my family will survive no matter what and I will fight for them no matter what. Our bias paints him negatively, but he’s exactly the kind of a man you want on YOUR side.
@esrasimge8351
@esrasimge8351 7 ай бұрын
I really love your analysis!
@bankoleolalekan1915
@bankoleolalekan1915 Ай бұрын
Otto is still the best in that show. No one is perfect but he has demonstrated a character better than even Tywin
@johannestzimiskes2524
@johannestzimiskes2524 Ай бұрын
I always favored the side Daemon wasn't on, so I could understand him well.
@CorvoThan
@CorvoThan 2 ай бұрын
Otto has the wish and drive to improve his families standing. He doesnt do so by some dagger and poison method but by carefully political movements and diplomacy. Honestly the only argument you could bring against his political actions in general is saying that in a feudale society no one should dare and try to improve their own standing. Also if you look at daemon only through his actions...than daemon is a bloody psychopath
@Absolumdan
@Absolumdan Күн бұрын
Otto: find out whose happy and tell me what theyre happy about Larys: find out whose unhappy and tell me what they are unhappy about Littlefinger: find out who wants a secret kept then offer them a place to keep it...
@aleksandrakja6792
@aleksandrakja6792 7 ай бұрын
As you said, I think that problem with Otto might lie in the show's composition. In my opinion the show makes blacks' decisions more understandable and explored than the greens'. Everyone is cheering for Daemon and Rhaenyra while Alicent and the rest tends to be portrayed as the bad ones
@Thrawn23.
@Thrawn23. 7 ай бұрын
I hope they explain why the greens wanted to make Aegon king because there are several good reasons. I don't know why they would leave them out of the 1st season since it would add more context then them just being power hungry. But because it would keep the realm at peace and fulfill Viserys dream he told Aemma in episode 1
@Leo_ofRedKeep
@Leo_ofRedKeep 2 ай бұрын
The show is entirely written for young American idiots and it is obvious in every scene.
@mehukattti
@mehukattti 19 күн бұрын
He had lord Caswell murdered.
@dustinthegael
@dustinthegael Күн бұрын
you didn't address the number one thing he did wrong - his coup. he was planning on putting Aegon on the throne despite Viserys making it clear that he picked Rhaenyra as heir. and he planned on doing this even before the whole "prince that is promised" death bed misunderstanding. this has led to civil war and the death of thousands, and debunks your claim that he did nothing wrong
@fayedunaway8
@fayedunaway8 3 ай бұрын
Fans often like to forget that the fear factor of Maegor the cruel was still in everyone, even extending to King Viserys. It shocks me that they think Viserys would even consider Daemon to have a powerful position, or even the throne.
@morgoth4962
@morgoth4962 7 ай бұрын
mr valaritas, thanks for that great video!
@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke
@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke 2 күн бұрын
Season 2 killed this with Otto expressing awareness that nobody (importantly Viserys) wanted Aegon to be king, and that he put Aegon there anyway despite Aegon being entirely unprepared to rule. I blame the show writers for the oversight of it though. Having Otto believe that he is doing what is best for the realm, that conveniently happened to have some self interest sprinkled in, fit the character better. They just had to destroy it with one poorly thought out scene. At least Otto's actor sold it beautifully to dampen the pain the scene inflicted on the deeper plot elements.
@STARK0181
@STARK0181 Күн бұрын
But it's true, I didn't even need to be said.lol Everyone knows what a degenerate Aegon is.
@arnold3817
@arnold3817 6 ай бұрын
Your videos are really underrated Keep up the good work. Your indepth analysis is very hard to find
@ValaritasYT
@ValaritasYT 6 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@corvoattano4777
@corvoattano4777 3 күн бұрын
Daemon murdered his young wife brutally for no reason he isn't the good guy.
@siewmj1
@siewmj1 8 күн бұрын
Funny you said Otto take a page from little finger book when it is the other way around lol.
@Dinozzzaur
@Dinozzzaur 4 күн бұрын
Otto's character wishes for stability in the land, but he also wishes to forward his own family. I think putting his daughter in King Viserys' path was always going to compromise him. He could not be a good hand and a good Hightower. Predictable pitfall, that's why I love his character so much.
@lisamann
@lisamann 22 сағат бұрын
Otto to me is like Swearingen in Deadwood... you think "what an asshole!" until HEARST comes along.
@michaelbuick6995
@michaelbuick6995 4 күн бұрын
People criticise Otto for having ambitions for his family. Well what about Rhaenyra? 3 of her sons are bastards yet she wants Jacerys to inherit the Throne, and Lucerys to inherit Driftmark. She has her ambitions as well and, unlike Otto, hers are based on lies. Viserys MARRIED Alicent it's above board the Hightowers are legally in-laws of the royal family. His plan worked. Rhaenyra just stumbles from one disaster to another and blames everyone but herself.
@vasileseicaru8740
@vasileseicaru8740 Күн бұрын
Otto is not the new Little finger, he's the new Tywin Lannister. They modeled his portrayal in the show after Charles Dance's portrayal of Tywin. And he certainly has its moments though he doesn't have the same commanding presence. I count Otto among the few things that were done right in this show, even if he is just a copy of a better version, at least when it's his turn to be on screen, significant things are said and significant things happen.
@tjjordan4207
@tjjordan4207 9 күн бұрын
The differences you provide between Otto and Littlefinger are true. On the surface, they are similar, but once you start to go deeper it becomes clear that they are different. Even their beginnings are different. One is a keeper of peace, and the other is a causer of chaos.
@atoris1919
@atoris1919 5 күн бұрын
Otto is not an evil person by any means, his actions do not depend on his moral compass, but he does politick and scheme with certain lords of westeros to support aegon's claim over rhaenyras, as such he weakens and fractures the realm further(note that im not saying he is entirely to blame for the war) but he does work to fracture the realm (not out of callousness nor sadism, but out of ambition & duty for his house which nonetheless are unjust acts) Hes not a bad person and he tries to minimize collateral damage but he is a vital tool in starting the war and making the war possible in the first place, at least in the show (books are a tiny bit different so far). Yet regarding rhaenyra, people who claim that rhaenyra should be passed over due to matters of tradition & custom should look to our world or westeros's history because progress is always occuring and certain traditions are always being forsaken for the sake of progress and better governing.
@fyahhype
@fyahhype 4 ай бұрын
Thank you I been arguing this case and everybody keep saying I’m crazy
@RationalOrc
@RationalOrc 12 сағат бұрын
Otto and Daemon are both second sons. Theyre both in a situation where they have to do something scummy to move up in the world and be more than just a servant to the their older brothers. They just go about it in different ways.
@mr_clean91
@mr_clean91 22 сағат бұрын
Daemon's fiasco in the Riverlands proves Otto right. He's gained the support of exactly one house at the cost of making the other houses hate him, which he lost when he allowed a kid who's been lord for about 10 minutes to bully him into chopping off his only allies head. So now they all hate him, think he's weak, and a fool. The only thing Otto was wrong about was thinking Daemon is a real political threat. He's simply too self-centered and reckless to consolidate power.
@filizgurel1640
@filizgurel1640 7 ай бұрын
Great video 🎉
@4549uef
@4549uef 5 күн бұрын
The ironic part is that you can totally remove the Greens descendants and still have a real civil war between the Strong boys and their little brothers (Aegon and Viserys) because ain't no way Daemon the supremacist will be happy seeing Jace Strong sitting at the iron throne while his silver haired boys are just the "loyal brothers", lol Daemon's whole personality is about not respecting those with more than 25% non-valyrian dna 😂, and I don't want anyone to tell me he won't because Jace will marry Baela, Daemon not once thought of Baela's rights on Driftmark (neither the feminist Corlys and Rhae) all for the sake of getting closer to the throne through Rhaenyra, I don't think he'll chose Baela's offspring over his own sons, on a final note: the Blacks are extremely patriarchal, because they're ready to take away Baela's rights and give it to any boy whether a Velaryon or not, a trueborn or not (I'm pointing out to Alyn) Corlys will give Driftmark to any boy but not Baela yet expect the Greens to throw away their beliefs and safety for Rhaenyra and her Strong boys because it's convenient for him and his ambition, the Blacks are misogynist in denial, the worst type
@petrogcracker6718
@petrogcracker6718 Күн бұрын
The only thing he did wrong was having his Children crowning King. He knew it was not what the King wanted and he knew who was in line first. But he worked a lot to secure power to his house.
@danielcarrillo4385
@danielcarrillo4385 Күн бұрын
I would then have to classify his decision of supporting Aegon as a bit short sighted
@FreeDocumentaries-y4y
@FreeDocumentaries-y4y 6 күн бұрын
Knowing what we know what's been revealed in the newer season. Daemon doesn't love his brother 100%.
@DenverJohn
@DenverJohn 3 күн бұрын
I've started watching the series a few days ago and I'm now on episode 7. I still don't understand why Otto is considered a villain. On the other hand, I can't comprehend why Daemon is a fan favorite. He seems like a sociopath, or maybe even a psychopath.
@DreamersOfReality
@DreamersOfReality 27 күн бұрын
Some people really do just live in delusion, my god.
@xrpbible
@xrpbible 5 ай бұрын
Nice explanation
@peachymin1404
@peachymin1404 Ай бұрын
Otto is certainly an interesting and nuanced character but to say that he did nothing wrong also lacks of nuances as he did a lot of things to push his personal interests against what the king wanted and the best for the realm, which were undeniably choices that he made. Otto pushing his own house is not a rightful behaviour as well because obviously, an action fitting the narratives of that period of time/world doesn't mean that it is right. Other characters did not do the same under the same position as Otto. I think that it is not quite fair to leave out several characters (such as only comparing Otto with the Sea Snake), comparisons, and things that Otto did (such as pushing and manipulating his daughter into hating her friend) in this discussion because when these are included, it will be very clear what Otto did wrong. Like the show (2nd season) very much highlights the fact that Otto manipulated his daughter (not just into marrying the king), passing down to his grandchildren, into something worst and that came back to bite himself.
@rustyshackleford8497
@rustyshackleford8497 Ай бұрын
Otto is actually my favorite. I admire his farsight and how he can simultaneously protect the realm, his daughter, and his bloodline from behind the curtain. I think he's completely justified and brilliant
@TheGadecka
@TheGadecka 13 сағат бұрын
I can’t blame him for believing his daughter when she came and said that visairus said aegon should be king. He did what was necessary to ensure his last wishes were kept he’s a particularly cunning player of the game of thrones. He always ensures situations are mutually beneficial for his family and the royal family. But he never overstep his boundaries except when he was talking to aegon When he got the handed of king title taken from him. And you’re absolutely right about him going to drone if he was pussy, he would’ve never went. That took a lot of balls for him to stand in front of a dragon and the dragon rider like that.
@smpk9667
@smpk9667 7 ай бұрын
Corlys offered his daughter in a marriage pact, While Otto sent his unwilling daughter straight into the grieving kings bedchambers. While trying to marry off your very young daughter too an adult is fucked up, sending your young daughter into an adults bedroom in your dead wifes revealing dresses is no less fucked up. Had Otto offered a marriage pact like Corlys then you would have a point, but what Otto did was wrong.
@amanimckenzie32
@amanimckenzie32 6 ай бұрын
Whilst it’s quite fucked up, from a purely practical stance, it was a pretty good move. Laena was the better marriage option and in order for Otto to beat Corlys in the race for Visery’s hand he needed to do something to better Alicent’s chances. So he planted his daughter in the Kings bedchambers and got Viserys to “lust” for her. So he won the contest.
@daviandrade5845
@daviandrade5845 15 күн бұрын
You need to read the book, in the book Alicent is already an adult, the story in HOTD definitely tries to put the Greens in a bad light, whilst the books are much more neutral.
@jimmyandersson9938
@jimmyandersson9938 Күн бұрын
So as hand of the king, he defied the kings orders to put the rightful heir on the throne, a peaceloving queen instead made a coup to put his drunken psycho 10 IQ grandson on it thus starting a civil war. And all this is explained away with he has ambition and was stunning and brave when he went to dragonstone :D
@manabuizayoi9567
@manabuizayoi9567 Сағат бұрын
Corlys proposal to the King was open and direct. Otto was calculated and premeditated.
@faustsiftar7683
@faustsiftar7683 Күн бұрын
Otto didn’t need to do any of these things though. The Hightowers are already one of the most powerful houses in the realm, and Alicent would have prosperity and security no matter what, as a high born daughter. While its possible that the realm would have been divided anyway with Rhaenyra as heir, Otto definitely pushed this division for his own interests. This video doesn’t mention that Otto was the key member of the plot to usurp the throne, killing those lords who supported Rhaenyra, and ironically creating the war he said was “inevitable”. I do not think that he cares at all about his family, only for their status and power. In this way a better comparison might be between him and Tywin. The few scenes we see with Otto and Alicent in S1 show her visibly uncomfortable. He just uses her as a tool for the gain of his house, and ultimately, I see his failure with Alicent as a cycle continuing with her failure with her own children. In S2 (spoilers) He clearly does not care about Jaehaerys, Helaena, nor Alicent. In the scene in Ep2 where he proposes the funeral procession, he says that he “loved” Jaehaerys, which to me seemed fake and forced. This isn’t really an argument, but in all of the scenes with his family I just don’t see any real affection for them. In short, he is a good hand but a bad father, and someone who doesn’t really care for the realm
@mrsnulch
@mrsnulch 5 күн бұрын
Best video. I honestly don’t understand how everyone considers Otto evil. He is self-serving but he’s not evil by any stretch.
@harukrentz435
@harukrentz435 4 күн бұрын
He CAUSED the vvar! How can you say he wasnt €vil?
@sergiokentweiss8122
@sergiokentweiss8122 Күн бұрын
another title: findings reasons for NOT HATE Otto Hightower.
@KhalkedonYT
@KhalkedonYT 7 ай бұрын
Team green is here! ❤ Love the video. Otto could see the realities of Westeros and always acted accordingly. Didn't spill the first blood and always tried to compromise. He is far better than Daemon, just because he didn't choke Rhaenyra or didn't beat a soldier out of small d**k anger people doesn't like him.😂
@jpdlg1003
@jpdlg1003 7 ай бұрын
Totally agree
@dreamfield92
@dreamfield92 21 күн бұрын
Great analysis of characters of depth ;)
@ShantYouneedsum
@ShantYouneedsum 4 күн бұрын
Honestly great explanation I totally forgot Otto tried to marry them to prevent the war
@diegozigg
@diegozigg Күн бұрын
Guys Whats the song playing on background?
@r.rsmith
@r.rsmith 2 күн бұрын
Hot take, but I believe that Larys Strong the Clubfoot is more like a HotD parallel to Petyr Baelish "Littlefinger"...
@packleaderstealthcamping1808
@packleaderstealthcamping1808 Ай бұрын
Very good video. I like Otto. Standing up to Daemon, the gold cloaks, and most of all Caraxes was extremely brave. Also, if Robb had listened to Theon's military advice at every turn, I think he would have won the war of the five kings without the whole Red Wedding &Theon Turncloak incident ever happening.
@felipemarin8789
@felipemarin8789 20 сағат бұрын
i agree with everything, but why otto try to put aegon on the throne? i believe that's the only thing i don't understand about his character, he surely knew that would set everything on fire and blood
@sushmitaraodesaraju6330
@sushmitaraodesaraju6330 2 күн бұрын
People don't hate Otto for his ambition; they hate him because he started a needless civil war with dragons on both sides. He knew his actions would end decades of peace that Jaehaerys and Viserys struggled to maintain. He also knew that war with dragons could and would result in hundred of thousands, if not millions of casualties. He knew all that, and he did it anyway, just for power. That's why people hate him.
@edwinvoncarstein
@edwinvoncarstein 4 күн бұрын
Reasonableman should be Ottos superhero name
@florinzam6964
@florinzam6964 16 сағат бұрын
He was planning to put Aegon on the throne no matter what Viserys wanted and plotted for years against the blacks. He got what was coming for him, and his biggest success is Aemond being a mirror image of Damon and claiming Veghar which he had nothing to do with him.
@yeol174
@yeol174 14 сағат бұрын
Thank you, you made me understand hi character better!
@whitepeter619
@whitepeter619 3 сағат бұрын
"Vizerus"??? Bro they said it in the show in like, 2011 lmao
@ArifulIslam-kg5xm
@ArifulIslam-kg5xm 6 ай бұрын
Your videos are absolutely amazing, just discovered you channel and have been watching them non stop. Could you make videos about Tommy Shelby from peaky blinders, Negan from walking dead, Lorne Malvo from Fargo, Roger Sterling from Madmen and Felix Gallardo from Narcos Mexico?
@ValaritasYT
@ValaritasYT 6 ай бұрын
Why not!
@aboithatsaboi182
@aboithatsaboi182 2 күн бұрын
1:43 Otto is a terrible father. Alicent does not want to have such a powerful position and manipulating events to make her become queen only put her in danger, whereas she would have been no threat to anyone had she remained as just the hand's daughter. The entire shows conflict can even be traced back to that action.
@Morfe02
@Morfe02 3 күн бұрын
Man HotD did dirty to the Greens, of course they made a betray-move against the crown But the reason wasnt "well Viserys says about a dream of Aegon" bruh Otto literally says that Daemon would rule the realms, the place is going to be a brothel and the head of Otto and his family is gonna roll And he was right, Rhaenyra turns into the vein of mad King (Maegor) in some way because of the deaths of her family
@maxrocha1876
@maxrocha1876 Ай бұрын
Você foi extremamente preciso em tudo que falou, concordo 100%. Otto jogou o jogo dos tronos como precisou ser jogado e fez seu dever como Mão de um rei fraco. Clássico personagem que Martin ama escrever.
@Parasmunt
@Parasmunt 2 сағат бұрын
A dragon ls worth an eye. He was an ambitious schemer who worked for power, not ruthless but a Machiavellian trouble maker. Viserys imho is the villain of the series.
@caesarhansedwards
@caesarhansedwards Ай бұрын
You are a gods-send, far too many people watch this show through the lens of modern sensibilities without respect to the time and setting it actually takes place in. He is by far the most logically written and compelling character.
@bri-manhunter2654
@bri-manhunter2654 13 күн бұрын
Otto Hightower, a prominent character in House of the Dragon, is often depicted as one of the most morally corrupt figures in the series. His cunning and ruthless nature become evident through his relentless pursuit of power, often at the expense of others. Otto manipulates events to place his grandson, Aegon II, on the Iron Throne, undermining the rightful succession and destabilizing the realm (Martin, 2018). His machinations include deceit, betrayal, and instigating conflicts, showcasing a willingness to sacrifice anyone, including his own family, to achieve his ambitions (Abraham, 2022). Otto's role in initiating the civil war, known as the Dance of the Dragons, further highlights his unscrupulous tactics and relentless drive for power, regardless of the ethical implications, cementing his position as a particularly evil character in the series (Condal & Sapochnik, 2022). The Blacks, led by Rhaenyra Targaryen, hold the strongest claim to the Iron Throne based on the clear line of succession established by King Viserys I. Rhaenyra was named heir by her father, and her claim is backed by significant legal and traditional precedents (Martin, 2018). Despite the patriarchal norms of Westeros, Viserys I's declaration and the subsequent oaths of loyalty from the lords of the realm bolster her legitimacy (Abraham, 2022). Furthermore, Rhaenyra's lineage and direct descent from Viserys I position her as the rightful ruler, making the Blacks' claim to the throne not only just but also in line with the established laws and traditions of the Targaryen dynasty (Condal & Sapochnik, 2022). The Blacks' support from key houses and their moral high ground in adhering to Viserys I's wishes further strengthen their position as the rightful heirs to the Iron Throne (Martin, 2018). References Abraham, D. (2022). House of the Dragon: Behind the Scenes. HBO. Condal, R., & Sapochnik, M. (2022). House of the Dragon [TV series]. HBO. Martin, G. R. R. (2018). Fire & Blood: 300 Years Before A Game of Thrones (A Targaryen History). Bantam Books.
@cbeaudry4646
@cbeaudry4646 2 күн бұрын
Otto has been my favorite since e1 or 2 of season 1
@elguerojusticiero
@elguerojusticiero Күн бұрын
Otta is what happends when tywin lannister is not a mehalomaniac with a grudge
@soratarz7830
@soratarz7830 4 күн бұрын
this is WAYYY too much benefit of the doubt, he ran a COUP and started a huge war, and this guy is like "hey he's not a bad guy"
@everythingisnormal
@everythingisnormal 6 күн бұрын
Hey there, what's the song? It's so familiar it's killing me.
@ValaritasYT
@ValaritasYT 6 күн бұрын
It's the cover of Queen Alicent's Entrance.
@everythingisnormal
@everythingisnormal 6 күн бұрын
@@ValaritasYT ha that would do it. Thanks!
@user-en2tk2tw4v
@user-en2tk2tw4v Күн бұрын
Feel like every point is really obvious are there really people who aren’t picking up on this?
@atlantistalamantes9262
@atlantistalamantes9262 7 күн бұрын
Videos like this are what create the situation where most viewers blame everything on Alicent who was literally pimped out as a child by her dad, and blamed for the succession war when Otto started it all, manipulated Alicent into it and was going through it without her knowledge anyway. And most of the fandom already ignores Otto and viserys to spew misogynistic vitriol at alicent. Why does Otto need a defense video at all, but especially saying he did nothing wrong exonerates the countless men in history who treated young girls and women in general as disposable.
@atlantistalamantes9262
@atlantistalamantes9262 7 күн бұрын
Just because it’s historically accurate doesn’t mean it’s okay and men don’t get to exonerate misogynistic men
@johnkonig865
@johnkonig865 6 күн бұрын
Cry harder.
@atlantistalamantes9262
@atlantistalamantes9262 6 күн бұрын
@@johnkonig865 defending pedofilia and historic misogyny doesn't make you cool it just makes you a creep and a nerdy loser
@Justbkstuff
@Justbkstuff 24 күн бұрын
The only man who rivals Otto is Tywin
@Drayran
@Drayran 17 күн бұрын
Otoo did suggest to marry Aegon and Rhaenyra in good ol' Targaeryan tradition. Would have avoided the dance altogether.
@mickygurll
@mickygurll 9 күн бұрын
THIS!
@user-xp2gc9dn2g
@user-xp2gc9dn2g Күн бұрын
Uh he went against his kings wishes . That is wrong he admitted it himself .
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