Why I don't like Rhaenyra's faction boils down to one thing: they are the most extreme representation of Targaryen exceptionism. They feel entitled to do what they want and feel that they do not have to face the repercussions. We know this from the brothel scene with Daemon where he was encouraging Rhaenyra to do whatever she wants, to fuck whomever she wants. They miss the part where they live in a society held together by rules, both codified and unspoken, and if they want to change that, they can't just expect the world to lay down for them. No one wants to have a ruler that can't be held accountable for their mess and that's what Rhaenyra and her faction represents.

in the dance of the dragons, there is not a single person who can be a good ruler. That's why dragons extinct...

Everyone's forgetting Daeron, Viserys sired three legitimate sons.

Here’s the thing, Viserys kind of set Rhaenyra up to fail. He made her heir but didn’t teach her how to rule (mostly because he didn’t truly understand how to rule), then he had true-born sons. Automatically, this would cause problems, problems which Viserys willfully didn’t see or thought he was above of. He cuddled Rhaenyra and taught her that she was also above rules and norms (which of course can be broken but most of the time they have to be subtly done as compared to the more outright way of Rhaenyra) (which also on its own is not a bad quality, but considering the society can cause problems for not only Rhaenyra herself, but the people around her as well). Rhaenyra’s learned from Viserys, who was lucky enough to reign during a peaceful time, but as we see, that kind of rule ultimately leads to war by inaction. Rhaenyra’s inaction is another contributor to the war, and it had deadly consequences for herself and her people.

I'll admit my first watch of the show I was quite empty headed and didn’t question anyone's motives and actions until my second vieweing, but I do remember being confused because Rhaenyra still had the same routine as before she was named the heir, now that she is to be queen shouldn’t she be taught law and how to rule? I found that odd but just kept watching since I really like the show

Please note also that in the show, Viserys REPEATEDLY pointed out his vivid dreams of having a son named Aegon to ascend him, wearing the conqueror’s crown. Him naming Rhaenyra as heir opposed that dream in many ways and proved his weakness even he cannot trust his so called “dragon dreams”.

I always wondered what made Viserys think that after how he gained the throne people were going to support Rhaenyra’s claim, specially because she had 3 male brothers in contrast to Rhaenys who was the only child of her father with no siblings at all. I believe Rhaenys would have made an excellent queen. Pd. I know she had support from some major houses but the war was meant to happen somehow.

Anyone who can't see that Otto is the best option for the realm, doesn't understand the game of thrones

Even the Iron Throne rejects her in the books. Every ruler who gets cut by the throne is unworthy.

I agree. This shows how well King George VI prepared his oldest daughter well to be Queen Elizabeth II, his heir. Elizabeth II proven herself why she is a worthy successor compared to Rhaenyra in the House of the Dragon.

If Viserys truly prepared her, she would be. But right now, it seems impossible.

Dany isn’t entitled like Rhaenyra. She won her own battles and advanced to rule mereen. She also grew her army and her fleet. Yes she had a council, but every leader does.

I agree with everything you said. Rhaenyra was always unfit to rule. I remember feeling the same way after I read Fire and Blood, even though the Greens weren't exactly the best people in the world either. Rhaenyra just always came across as a whiny, spoilt brat to me in the book, and I could tell that her ambitions for the throne weren't based on a sense of duty (e.g. like Stannis, for example). She was always just selfish and ruthless, though the show has certainly whitewashed these aspects of her personality.

Viserys had 3 trueborn sons.

Rhaenys, The Queen who never be was the Right one

5:37 a critical difference between Rhae and Aegon. Aegon has a ton of similarities to Robert although he seems to have a better relationship with his brother than Robert.

Couldnt agree more with ur statement. I only chose the greens because they know how to manage a kingdom unlike Rhaenyra given she gave the Greens 6 YEARS TO RULE. Rt for all her good heart says she will create a new order but does nothing to help herself, her children, her relationship and image with the people over the course of when she is named heir. 1. Has 3 obvious bastards 2, which weakens Rt claims n creates succession crisis 3. Supports a law that mutilates people( it’s TREASON TO TALK ABOUT MY TREASON) 4. Marries a man who was DENOUNCED as Heir which is the SOLE REASON y she was named heir in the first place. 5. Encourages her uncle publicly in FRONT OF HER FUTURE IN LAWS n help say that rumor was TRUE in episode 5. 6. Makes EVERYONE believe she killed her HUSBAND INCLUDING HER FOMER IN LAWS. 7 and 8 Marries a man who killed his FIRST WIFE AND IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE VALE WHICH IS ONR OF THE SIX KINGDOMS SHE WILL GOVERN N NEED SUPPORT IN THE UPCOMING WAR. 9. Didn’t visit her father for 6 years 10. Didn’t visit king landing for 6 years the place she will rule later. 11. Let greens RULE THE KINGDOM FOR 6 years 12. Didn’t build any alliances for 6 years on dragonstone. 13. trying to USURP THE DRIFTMART THRONE 14 and 15 last minute marriage proposals that were denied by Alicent and Rhaenys 16. Advocated for the torture of her brother in episode 7 17. Didn’t visit her father until she needed something from him a man who is loosing body parts by the minute. 18. Didnt know who her Allies were before she went to war. 19. Sleep with men knowing if they r caught they will be tortured n killed. (Criston +HARWIN) 20. Sent her sons REMINDER LETTERS to the LORDS SHE WILL NEED TO MAKE ALLIANCES 21. Offered NOTHING IN RETURN FOR THE ALLIANCES / EMPTY HANDS. Rt comes with to much baggage as an heir while Aegon faults are not publicly known and lets be honest Aegon will be doing what he and Rhaenyra was doing for the last 6 years lets Otto, Alicent, and the rest of the council do the work lolre of Westeros. I only chose the greens because they know how to manage a kingdom unlike Rhaenyra given she gave the Greens 6 YEARS TO RULE.

Rhaenyra as heir was a disaster right after she tried to pass Jace of as trueborn Viserys should have disowned her and after she followed that by having two other bastards sons well. Viserys was not a good king himself a blinded himself to his daughters misdeeds. And to follow that up by Leanors suspicious death too boot. She would never have made a good Queen her side had no one that k re how to run a relam her closest advisers were Deamon that had run from ever form of responsibility and Corlys that had not sat the small council in years.

I like Rhanerya but she was terrible at politics and wasn't nearly as smart as a monarch should be. Honestly, Jace, even as a teenager, would have made better decisions as a ruler.

The people who blindly support Rhaenyra (team black) tend to be the most casual of fans, it’s mainly just people who watched the show first. It’s the same people who defend Dany burning an entire city down for no reason (and hate Jon) while in the same breath calling the writing bad and saying she wouldn’t do it. The greens have the more logical fan base by a country mile, and those who don’t choose a side period tend to be even more based.

The only reason she failed was because she took the throne while a war was ongoing and the crown in debt thanks to Alicent and aegon spending most of it on the war and as long as both rhaenyera and aegon were alive it wouldn’t have ended and it didn’t anyway until Cregan showed up. Had she taken the throne in a peaceful time when she was suppose to it wouldn’t have happened viserys having male heirs didn’t help her situation at all.

Firstly, the show version of her is not the same as the book version. And she was forced to marry a gay man, so the only likely way she could have any children would be through a paramour. Also, the 'true born' argument is all well and good but so was naming a successor - which he did. In fact, that is how HE was on the throne too. Book Rhaenyra aka the Realm's delight because of the tours she did of Westeros in her youth was married young and then had the business of producing children. But im sure you would also blame her if she hadnt had any children! Vicerys is the main problem here. He shouldnt have remarried and to her friend no less, and then had more children which put her position in jeopardy despite the succession had already been decided and reinforced several times. Her move to Dragonstone was brought aboit because Alicent was constantly berrating her and making her own children despise Rhaenyra even though she had done nothing to her brothers and sister. And Alicent, is she had indeed been a close friend, shouldnt have seduced her friends father (after he unsuccessful attempts at seducing the previous king!) but again, its her father who pushed her to do this to give himself more power. And if she had been a man, and screwed half the kingdom, no one would be calling him a whore. The double standards are infuriating! Its a shame she was forced to marry a man totally unsuitable and hadnt married Daemon as they both wished. Then there wouldnt have been as much of an issue.

A very well thought out video. Fans of the show tries to pretend that Rhaenyra is some “woman boss” where critics and dislikers dislike her because she’s solely a woman when the show is showing that neither party had any right to sit on the throne.

It's good to find someone else on the internet with some common sense *TEAM* *GREEN* *FOREVER*

rhaenyra is not fit to be queen. I never seen any reason to root for her. Both aegon ang rhaenyra is not fit to rule. She is the first woman to be the heir. So she should prove herself and pave the way to next future queens. But she just do whatever she like

Thank you for the great video ❤

rhaenerya is by far my favorite character but your analysis is by far my favorite and i've listened to A LOT of them. subbed!

aegon was way more “lustful” i would say

Weird, Aegon was blamed for NOT practicing & studying (like Aemond did), but the same viewers consider the mistakes of Rhaenyra to be meaningless & harmless??? She was dumb enough to risk her future for a cheap-shot brothel visit. She demands instead of DOING anything to reach the goals. She neither trains the dragonriders (not of Pern), nor does ANYTHING royal or pro-house Targaryen. It COULD be a depiction of the madness that is subtly running in ALL the Targaryen bloodline.

In the show she seems to be more competent

Remember that in the books it was possible they weren't really the bastards - their grandmother had black hair due to Baratheon heritage.

i know this title of the show is house of the dragon and centered through the pov of targaryeans, so the show subconsciously makes people root for her, but she's completely incompetent. she has no allies, and had years to network and gain support but never even bother to. she stupidly have bastards who are clearly not looking like what valyerions look like...that itself shows her lack of political savviness. and lastly, she basically just throws around "i am the heir" and have no gravitas. and she is too dull to see daemon was using her as a stepping stone to rule. i dont think she's a bad person but she's just not fit to rule. it's not like the other option is great either but she has the worst claim to the throne. the only thing that she clinged on to is her father declaring her heir. sometimes going into the subreddit and reading the comments supporting her just make my eyes roll lol

Thank you for sharing your views, it really changes how I know her as a character

I really believe that ANY of the characters of this story are good for the throne all of them are just thinking in themselves using the people or the crown responsabilities like an excuse, No one have the values that are needed to be a good leader.

Exactly this I missing in tv show. Creators needs to stop portray her as heroic protagonist.

You are the only person who actually told the truth ❤love the video

someone enlighten me on this? couldn't Viserys just said that Rhaenyras first born male son will inherit after his death, instead of her?? would that solve anything?

You are absolutely right Ser..!!

Rhaenyra is what rhaena the black bride would have been as queen i always say that

Somebody had to make video like this.

great video 👏🏻 thx

Interesting points. Even though those were the same thoughts that everyone had during the intro of the Civil War, here is a question: What is a bad king and vice versa to a bad and good queen? Because the books are written from a biased point of view and also take in statements from three unreliable resources. On the show, we see how things are played and how they happen. Now, to the point of her not being a good queen? I say it comes from not only her but also the period that she was born in and the individuals in that time. Viserys, Otto Hand, Alicent, and Daemon. Viserys should’ve never been king in the first place, and I’m very certain that there were people who could take one look at him and knew right away he would never make an effective ruler of the seven kingdoms, should’ve never been king in the first place, and I’m very certain that there were people that could take one look at him and knew right away he would never make an effective ruler of the seven kingdoms. He was very indecisive, he was very slow to act, and he was quick to please everyone, he was the Aenys Targaryen of his time. he was very indecisive, and he was very slow to act, and he was quick to please everyone. Otto was already opposing her from the moment he suggested that she would be named heir to keep Damon away from the throne but also he was not a very trustworthy advisor. He already made her and Daemon and Corlys very wary of him, and he turned them into enemies, he didn’t even want to teach her the importance of the governance of ruling the kingdom. Alicent made questionable decisions, here and there, and more importantly, the audacity of her to order Reynera to send her baby to her bed chambers just to take a look at him right after giving birth which is very low. In my opinion, she is a dutiful queen, but the problem was, that she was contributing to the division within House Targaryen and her actions didn’t prevent the war from happening. Daemon was a terrible influence on her. She knew all along the type of person that he was, but she was drawn to him as he was just like her they burn fire, and they burn brighter. She begged her father many times to allow her to marry him therefore, it would combine his claim with her as he is a P or Targaryen, and that’s all she ever wanted but at the same time, he would have the power over her as well. As well as the lords, but I also want to point out that she made a huge stupid mistake in disregarding the wise words from Rhaenys and for sleeping with Criston Cole.

Uma rainha fraca filha de um rei ainda mais fraco. Nunca teve um pingo de dever durante a vida toda e esperava que o dormindo iria ganhar o jogo dos tronos. Foi irresponsável ao extremo em todos os pontos cruciais de sua vida, botou 3 bastardos no mundo, insistiu em ficar ao lado do principal risco do pai dela (Daemon), fugiu de Kingslanding e deixou os verdes fazerem fincarem ainda mais suas raizes. Mereceu perder a guerra e nunca mereceu o trono.

Where is the video about Daenerys?

The Targaryen were leech Lords, landlords of a foreign people. Refusing to interact or breed with them to keep their blood pure from the commons. Jaehaerys the conciliator was the first true ruler of a people and not some landlord with a dragon

I know it will be a comment out of the storyline but especially in Dance of Dragons, they were all plot devices to make happen the civil war. George needed a civil war that would wipe out the dragons, and he made it happen with the wrong choices of multiple incompetent characters. In such a story, that's the only way. In ASOIAF, he firstly created characters and through them he develop the story. But in Fire and Blood, the civil war was always there, in ASOIAF some characters mentioned about it, and when it came to Fire and Blood, he had to fill the gaps. That's why they all seem incompetent, failing bunch of people.

Rhaenys would have been the best choice for everyone.

I would rather choose Maegor.

She has the cart before the horse. She's trying to win the throne to save the kingdom. When she should be trying to save the kingdom to win the throne.

One of the things I liked about Fire and Blood that I don't like about HotD is that the former isn't trying to spread propaganda for one side, it gives the raw cold truth about both sides. It's adaptation however is clearly shilling for the Blacks

Family legacy on the line dragon pit under duress? She ran away.

Pt2. And Danerys’s character was so much more fleshed out in the books. We don’t even know if she goes mad or not. The show writers destroyed her, Jon and Tyrion’s characters so they could run off and work on star wars.

anyone who supports rhaenyra loves her just because she is kinda hot

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9) "She has three obvious bastards!" - Yeah... so was Catherine the Great, yet she managed got throne despite fact she had ZERO royal blood in her and then passed this on her son who was legally legitimate son by Peter III... but everyone knew Peter in all probability was not his father. So entire Romanow dynasty since Catherine weren't Romanovs. But point is none could PROVE this in legal way - both in Rhaenyra's and in Catherine's case. 10) "Cruelty to her enemies" - Argument null and void: we are talking about world that has death penalty within. 11) Her marrying Daemon with 'disregard to Laenor' was BRITLLIANT move. It presented her as ruthless, yet legally innocent, and gave her two dragons (Craxes and Moondancer) on her side. Moreover the only people who could have probelm with that were Velaryons - and they still decided support her. In book this wasn't even a question.

Neither Rhaenyra nor Aegon wouldve been good rulers. The same arguments you made about Rhaenyra (irresponsible, no sense of duty, cruel to enemies) could be made even more strongly against Aegon.

Dumbnerys Targeryan first of that name, the unlearnt, mother of harlots

While I do get what you’re saying. I think it does go against the themes for her not to assume her rule. She is basically just a female ruler that acts like a male ruler. A lot of her cons are only cons because she is female.

This is more true for the books, show Rhaenyra is different and definitely more understandable as a person. In the show, yes Rhaenyra would’ve made a good queen before the war . The events of the war and loss of her children will undoubtedly change her . Also her being less likeable in the books can be chalked up to the book being written predominantly by supporters of the greens who’d want their side to be more sympathetic. Even in the books, I feel Rhaenyra would’ve unquestionably made a much better ruler than Aegon .

In my eyes the dance of the dragons shows wonderfully why feudalism sucks

women, am i right

1)1:45 - she moved to Dragonstone as male heir would. What 'action' you expect her to do? 2) Legally Rhaneyra does have any bastards. All her children are recognized by her husband as legitimate. And even if Rhaenyra had a bastards - that still wouldn't not make her 'bad' ruler as many male rulers had bastards to. It's misogynistic to demand she can't have batsrds, but at the same time do not see issue with male ruler having them. 'Pretend they were legitimate' - No, she didn not pretend. They were recgonized as Laenor so they were legitimate. Simple as that. You cannot prove otherwise. Laenor was the ONLY person who could denounce children. 3) Cersei was in right - none could prove her children was bastards. They were legally Bartheons. If I was reading some history book about them, I would thought Ned and Stannis were greedy traitors. 4) Rhaenyra does NOT have illegitimate children. None had ANY problem with Velaryon boys except Greens. It wouldn't 'lead to war' if people simply accepted her as they should. 5) 2:56 - Straightforwad lie. No comment. 6) 3:21 - So just because people will protest for female monarch, that makes it okay? Are you in support of taking away women inheritence because of their gender? 7) 4:18 - That is EXACTLY what she DID in episodes 2-6. She was entire time by Viserys side. She couldn't bear anymore Alicent humilating her, so she moved to heir seat - Dragonstone. But yeah, let's disregard over 10 years she was at King's side! 8) 4:31 - Most Houses did accept her. You act as if she had none on her side.

bro not team vomit making this video as a propaganda and not a simple critics on rhaenyra when the greens had done worser in the books💀💀💀

Easy cause as a woman rhaneyra cant fight her battles.

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Seems like you're uncritically recounting the events as told in fire & blood as if the narrator is 100% reliable. Much of it is written with a bias against Rhaenyra's faction. Doesnt mean she is a saint. But you cant take it wholesale like you seem to be doing in this video.

I mean com on the book was written by Green supporters to make Rhaenyra look as bad as possible..im happy that the show is correcting this

Rhaenyra was not a good option but was her brother who was crowned any better. A man having bastards is not an issue and normal life in that show - she basically behaved as if she was a male heir and her children are to inherit her family not her husband’s. But for everyone she was not a Targerian heir but a woman, so her actions are improper. It never about her being bad as other options were not much if any better, but people love to see young men as more promising than they may be, and women - can never do right. She was just too naive and not cruel enough - should have killed her friend while she was just pregnant with Aegon.

grrm writes a story where tragedy happens due to greed and infighting... HotD watchers: she mah queen 👑!!! PS: That was me years back.

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She is the rightful heir though .. She might have been a good ruler in different circumstances .. in addition, Aegon was far much worse than she could ever be and there are many unqualified Targaryen rulers who have set the Iron throne

She would’ve made a GREAT QUEEN

Still better than Aegon, good video tho!

You greenies are so cute

Hmm, this smells of Green propaganda 😌

Great video other than the pronunciation of Viserys

Y’all glossed over the fact that she was forcibly married to a gay man. And she did have a sense of duty. She had three children who were accepted as true born by her husband. You can’t just say she did whatever she wanted when her husband would NEVER give her any children. She would be barren and old by the time vicerys died or sir laenor ran off or died. She has two more legitimate children with her husband Daemon

Treason! Treason I say!

So what you just trying to say is Aegon Will Make a better King? /😮 That's the biggest crap I've ever heard. Please reevaluate this entire video because you make no

I think she has more sense of duty than you suggest. She cares about people live in her kingdom

Yikes. Never thought I would hear such a misogynistic and terrible take on the Dance. But then I remember "Men" and Maesters exist- smh

Visseriss? 😂

Rhaenyra is much better than Aegon.

6:50 - 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤦🏻‍♂🤦🏻‍♂🤦🏻‍♂🤦🏻‍♂🤦🏻‍♂🤦🏻‍♂ Because it WAS her rightful claim. So it was with Daenerys (at least if we exclude Jon/Aegon from picture). And it was not Joffrey's birthday but his intronization at Prince of Dragonstone.

6:09 - Excuse me: WHAT???? Well, Aegon put himself in danger - tell me how it ended? Wait, I know: him being not able to rule and Green faction in chaos with Aemond as poor leader who lost King's Landing. Rhaenyra was Queen and Rhaneys was one of her warriors. 6:30 - Well... agree. Rhaenyra was not able to rule during Dance. But that's why I think your video is misleading: you only proved Rhaenyra was not able to manage during war. But you yousrelf admitted, if she rule din peace she would be 'mediocrate' ruler. That's why I have issue with this video. It is not giving Rhaenyra justice she deserves.

Yep, should've sent Daemon to take out Alicent's kids much sooner.

She'd have made a good queen if they didn't usurp her and killed most of her children. Her mental state was fucked after that and she made some grave errors. Aegon or Aemond however would never have made a good king from the start.