Excellent interview and discussion. The container is key in trauma healing of any kind. There’s trauma of sexual exploitation and others that a direct link from generational suppression, violence or bullying. Indeed there is First Nation trauma in the west, along with substance abuse as well. When I’m personally in contact with these people ( including myself ). I feel them, I’ve learned how to feel it ( or listen and not attach ) then move forward. It’s a great skill, if I’m not overloaded. Again this brings up, the healing container for those involved. It’s imperative that we build systems with the utmost compassion, respect and regard for the whole. We aren’t in a position to do otherwise. We are on thin ice as it is. Let’s keep building, bridging and be the best we can be. Peace and blessings!

I really enjoyed this conversation. It opened up so many levels of reflection and inspiration. I look forward to seeing more! Thanks 🙏🏻

This is exciting. I love to hear more about what you two will come up with. Fine tuning the nervous system's listening and that expands our containers from the individual to larger layered groups. I feel inspired by you.

I’m so fascinated by all of this and feel Re-energized by the hope we can actually heal a lot of the collective trauma. At least well enough for us to evolve in our maturity so we can co-create healthy governance over ourselves and our circles of intimacy. It would certainly ripple its way to how our governments operate, our economies, our healthcare systems, our ecological systems and so much more. It’s exciting to know that possibility is there. Listening to the metaphors from Thomas brought to mind patterns I see. I wonder if some of the voids talked about here can be physically identified within the suffering of Mother Earth. For example, when Thomas talked about the canyon void covered up with rational bridges as a metaphor, I immediately thought about the many sinkholes that are happening around the world. I see a strong pattern there between human emotions and how those play out on the physical body of our planet as well as our own. There definitely seems to be a direct connection. Is there? Does it work like that?

Multilevel container building is at least half of the work, it is the soil something can grow out of..... Beautiful...

Excellent conversation, thank you Thomas and Otto!

so interesting! Thank you both!!! Please also look at the work of Judy Atkinson, she speaks about the consequences of transgenerational trauma and every generation experiencing specific 'symptoms'. Her book is called: "Trauma trails, recreating songlines". Subtitle: The transgenerational effects of trauma in Indigenous Australia.

very inspiring ! thank you !

And yes, my nervous system is going through a major overhaul. Whew .....

Surveillance capitalism - watcher and watched. Stage and voyeur? What did we learn from past traumas? The less we are in fear, the better we function. Trauma impact crashes the fear threshold and shuts it down. Dissociation. Disconnect. Reconnecting then, that's the hard part in it. “Strange as it may seem, horror loses its power to frighten when repeated too often.” ― Michael Ende, The Neverending Story. Do we need a safe holding space created by not triggering traumas (NLP, GfK) or by triggering them and pre-creating a cognitive framework to help process it? Or does it actually take someone who is less afraid in a certain situation than others and is thereby grounding the other ones of a group so they cope better? If humanity reptile brains work like one organism (like my chicken-tribe) they will all calibrate on the functioning-mode of the one with the highest abilities (the one the least afraid, having undergone certain learning processes that the collective nervous system then benefits from by copying) .... Result: Don't be afraid of trauma. Don't be afraid of triggering. Don't be afraid of the impact. Awareness is not avoidance.

Honestly speaking, I do not sense that they have really met each other in this conversation.