@ 6:30 important to note that trucks will typically only fall out of freight car trucks. In contrast newer passenger equipment and late era steam locomotive tenders are typically pinned such that the trucks will not fall out when the car is lifted. A plaque on the side of many passenger cars will say "Remove Center Pin before lifting car and removing trucks" @ 24:20 newer steam locomotives had a preference for running in the forwards direction on account of their valve gear. What specifically comes to mind is the Laird type multiple bearing cross head guides, because the way the cross head bearing was positioned, you could damage the bearing over time by running it in reverse. Donald Church's book on the Cab Forwards has a great explanation when he talks about the Cab Forward design and why only the AC9 class had Laird type multiple bearing cross heads. @ 26:15 The centerline of the driving wheels tends to be a few inches below the centerline of the driving cylinders. So for many steam locomotives the maximum power output is when rods are at bottom center, where the effective length of the throw arm is a few inches longer.

This is the content we crave to make the work day more enjoyable

Another note about drop-bottom hoppers, depending on location there are mechanical systems that open the hoppers as they're rolling and close them back, so nobody has to open the cars manually or even stop the train. I have video I took from my time at the power plant of a coal drag being unloaded in such a fashion

betsy earned her keep in this one. keep posting the amazing content

As for steel wheels on the road... Mythbusters did put 4 manhole covers on a car and drove those around a track rather spiritfully :D

I'm not usually into trains and especially train history, yet here I am every episode. Your educating me against my will, and I cant stop watching :P

1 - The Commonwealth Railways used standard gauge gondolas/open wagons for Leigh Creek coal traffic in South Australia were unloaded using a rotary dumper at the Port Augusta power station. This included the rotary couplers. This arrangement lasted until the late 1990’s when bottom drop hoppers were introduced. 2 - Terowie (also in South Australia) was a break of gauge location between the narrow and broad gauge networks and a tippler was used to transship coal between the two networks. 3 - Bogie exchange workshops were common for a long time with whole trains being bogie exchanged so they can continue their journey. Occasionally broad or standard gauge wagons would occasionally end up on narrow gauge with occasionally interesting results! Individual locomotives have also worked on broad, standard and narrow gauges during their service lives.

Haha Hyce says "I'll get back in my cab and stay there", 20 seconds later he's out on the roof and all I'm thinkin' is now we need a skin for the Porter with "Get Back in the Cab Before You Die." on the roof in Bastard Railroad Gothic gold-leaf.

A secret tip for y'all: right now, there's a bug in the game that allows you to change how much money and XP you have by pressing the L and K keys. I have a million dollars in-game now. I'm still building sketchy lines between the industries, but now I can derail much nicer equipment on them.

'I'll head you off at the *next* pass' - every railroads online player, especially hyce Very good vid

Inclined cylinders are done either to fit them more compactly within the locomotive, or to maximise clearances in the loading gauge. It's not much of an issue with american platforms since they're so low, but in other places it's been necessary to raise the cylinders in order to clear obstacles like that. The BR standard class 9 is a good example.

So nice to see progress! Even if it is one adorably appropriate narrow-gauge load at a time. I was wrong earlier btw-you didn’t need the hopper just for firewood on the way up the mountain 🤣

With regards to angled cylinders, the Virginian Railway had a massive 2-10-10-2 Mallet, the Class AE, that had the front cylinders angled. In that case it was because the front Low Pressure Cylinders were so massive they had to angle them for the right clearance. Not sure how often clearance issues was the reason for them, but it was one of the reasons to go for them.

That story of 0-4-0 swaying on the track should be told with Duncan's rocking'n'rolling theme. That old Thomas stuff was written by real railroad maniacs:)

1 tiny loco, 1 wagon and a caboose. We finally found the model train set.

That’s a nice little train for little old Betsy

Looks like Hyce needs longer B-roll footage for his end credits this month due to some very generous people on the last live stream...

Since Russia uses broad gage there used to be a truck swapping facility at the border to allow traffic between Europe and Russia without transfers or unloading.

I would’ve never thought that it was gravity alone that kept cars to trucks, but it does make sense. I should’ve expected though, cause on the Newfoundland Railway, there was a car ferry from North Sydney, Nova Scotia to Port-Aux-Basque. But there the NFLD was 3’6”, so the trucks had to be swapped out before head up the line. I’d never thought about how they swapped them out before.

I just love all the knowledge and extra photos @Hyce drops on us in these videos!

“tank drive steam locomotive” we need to have that in game

One thing to note about inclined cylinders was that if you’re railway had more restrictive gauging, you could have larger, more powerful cylinders by mounting them on an incline rather than in the linear. The lms crabs are a good example, as the midland region had quite a tight gauge due to their small engine policy which was predominantly populated by inside cylinder locomotives

The only reason Betsy didn't stall was because you fell out and she was 200lbs lighter. Curse that little oh-fer-oh!

Iron ore Docks here in the Great Lakes Region uses mostly gravity. They use the drop bottom hopper cars into a mesh. Then below the docks Iron Ore Freighters undo hatches. Once they are open, they lower chutes. Then they open panels in the side of the Iron ore collection, and gravity has the Iron Ore slide down the chutes into the cargo hold of the ship. That way, they can carry multiple train load across the lakes to harbor factories

This entire line is giving me Rollins Pass vibes 😂 Edit: The more I think about Donner Pass is to normal to explain this.

Any video that starts with CRAP is a good video. Never change Hyce 🤣

I just completed my first full Iron mine run. 10 hoppers pulled by a Climax A/B engines. 200 per car, 2000 in the bank. Wooooooo

The whole process of dumping loads from narrow to standard, is why side tipping wagons were invented. First wooden ones with the body lifted higher off the chassis and long rods, usually with a door on one side that would open as you tip. Then later one V skips were made, same sort of principle except its all made from metal, and the carrying bit is in a v shape length-ways. The two hinge points are on either end of the wagon, and literally rest on bars at each end, so you tip either way and the skip part won't fall off, but is loose.

@hyce created an "Unstoppable" situation right after watching it during movie night

Betsy is a beast! No help needed for the run. Go Betsy!

So I found this little railroad museum quite close to where I live (can’t believe I never knew about it). It’s an old 900mm gauge peat railway (“feldbahn”) that was used to transport peat from the field to the processing plant. They almost exclusively used the tiniest of tiny 0-4-0 diesel engines to run quite long trains. Today they still use some of these engines, mostly from the ‘30s-‘50s, to run trains of old peat cars that they converted to passenger cars! You won’t believe the curves that they use on those feldbahn railways sometimes, it’s actually ridiculous and it probably only works because of the extremely short wheelbases of the locomotives and cars.

20:35 the best part of steam locomotives is the one can tell if the steamer is moving by the rod's moving unlike the monderday diesel locomotives, if one is a far from the rail line and moving if say a in a bus or car

I work on the Great Lakes and the Sandusky Ohio coal dock has a wicked system to dump the hopper cars and use gravity to move the cars along.

I live just down the road from the place that makes most all the train wheels in the US. Standard Steel has been making train wheels and springs for decades. It was bought up by some Japaneses company. They have a really neat remote controlled yard train.

Yes have a mountain railroading sounds like fun and full of good content

Just got gifted a membership by some love human, and this came up on my homepage. Having seen it, the natural inclination to watch it again was too strong.

I'm pretty sure they angled cylinders for tight clearances: If it's angled, your cylinder will end up being mounted much higher on the frame than if it's horizontal. I suspect that with Betsy's munchkin drivers, horizontal cylinders would be kicking a lot of debris and ballast. In Britain, where all platforms were high and very close to the rails, practically all locomotives with medium-sized or bigger outside cylinders with driving wheels smaller than 6 feet had angled cylinders. The LMS Hughes "Crab" 2-6-0s are a pretty hilarious example, but even the last mainline locomotives, the BR 9f 2-10-0s had noticeably angled cylinders. Separately, some early locomotives like Stephenson's Rocket had extremely sharp-angled cylinders, because they were trying to square the conventional wisdom of the time that said that vertical cylinders allowed even wear on the piston and would therefore reduce maintenance on the engine, with the fact that vertical cylinders just absolutely wrecked the rails, especially in the early days of cast or wrought iron.

Ooh fun facts my favorite part Yeah the sand and tender tanks could really use a gauge cause looking at it from the top it's really hard to guess how full it is

Ok, now we need an animated video just called the 0-4-0 dance where it's just betsy busting some moves.

You know I love the fact I can wake up and scroll through my youtube notifications and see a video posted by you Hyce for railroads online, I am loving this series as well as the history and train knowledge you and Kan provide so thank you.

Enjoying the series. Keep making great content. Nice pun btw 😂

loving the series! so educational and entertaining

It would be great to know the whole railroad language talk, I already know that a small steam locomotive like Betsey is a Peanut Roster in railroad talk

Everytime I see that saddle back all I can see is "Lady" from Thomas and the magic railroad lol

Interesting discussion on angled cylinders! The UK had more angled cylinders than most, I think, mostly due to loading gauge issues. Try googling “Horwich Crab”!

A great example of those rotating gondola cars is still in use in the bone Valley in Florida to this day

I really enjoy your play through. I played RO when it first came out but had a lot of issues so I stopped. With the new update it looks like they have solved a lot of the problems I was having. I may have to give this a try again. Thanks a lot for the info on the updates and will try and learn how to do the builds again as it looks a lot different.

Build your route from the Iron mine to coal mine and then down to the refinery, then link back to the freight depot and call it the narrow gauge circle.

I'm really hoping RO goes on sale for the winter sale because you two are really making me want to play

23:24 I love that old model railroading reference... I haven't heard that one in a long time! For anyone who doesn't get it... The ol' "0-5-0" is an old school model railroading term for your hand! I can't remember the other one I've heard... something like "The big re-railer from the sky" or "God's re-railer"... something to that effect!

The narrow gauge here in Queensland still uses those rotating barrel set ups, but not for coal or iron. Instead, 2 foot narrow gauge lines use them still to flip sugar cane bins upside down whilst still connected to the train to then unload them. Was really cool to watch at Racecourse Mill in Mackay and this is still the method used today.

this game with the out of ore ground physics for making tunnels and cutting track in to the side of the mountings would be insane or even better with the mining part of out of ore for the coal and iron mines plus logging for the logging yard and you could have different ppl helping in different industries

Someone should introduce kAN to the Lombard Log Haulers. Basically class 48's on tank treads

the rotating dumps are still used today! used to live near one and it was fascinating to watch the process when my school science club would take us on field trips to the coal plant, (I was more interested in the trains then the power plant haha.)

After watching you guys play I purchased this game for my son and I and we are have a great time playing it..... thanks

Hyce the 3/4 of an idot videos are great. Also kans rout over the mountain at the coal mine is very posible ive done it twice, you just have to go out where you would come in from the valley you go up at 3 or 4 percent to a spot in the corner of the valley where there is a bit of a cut then you can go down the right side or the left side of of the valley aand down to the iron works. keep up the good work

You need to bolster jack up roughly 1 ft to clear the bearing adapter pocket. Also some cars run keepers that bolt on to prevent the axles from dropping out. Some chemical and most passenger use locking center pins.

Awesome vid keep up the good work

Hearing you say Choo Choo Will Always be a Highlight of my day

Speaking of blind drivers the Maryland & Pennsylvania Railroad had a number of 2-8-0 consolidations that had both middle driver sets blind. I have a number of their brass models in HO.

Jooo perfect timing. I just came home from some shunting at the railway museum I work at and the first thing I see is a video from Hyce 😁👌

In Europe when they change from iberian gauge to standard gauge, they will bring the car onto a track with 4 rails and on the side of the track are 4 big electric jacks witch will lift up the body of the car so they can remove the bogies and bring bogies of the other gauge. Today different company have different methods to do this while the train is moving. Today this process has mostly changed to the new process of doing it while the train is moving but there is still one night train in Moldova that is getting lifted of its bogies. But today it’s often many times faster to just change trains

Can confirm that with the modern equipment it is extremely easy To actually remove the car from the trucks entirely. A forklift operator here recently dismounted a closed hop gondola while trying to get the sand out of it. This was at a glass plant.

lol Kan and his tank steering xD

They had clamps on the barrel roller to hold the narrow gauge cars down. I modeled it in trainz 2014 it was a super pain in the ass And the D&RGW did have 3 narrow gauge side dump hopper cars

6:30 it is not uncommon for suspension components to be held in by gravity at the top so you could have a strut come out

Ello Hyce! now when you showed the photo of the "thing" you mention, I got a little bit of knowledge on it, due to me playing Gmod (Garry's mod) and operating the thing during OPS on a trainbuild server. So, the thing you mention is actually called a Rotary Dump. What it does is that you load the car onto it right? once it is omn there, you or another person go to a special control room thjat has buttons and/or switches to operate it. once everything is set, the operator activates it with a button or switch and the rotary Spins to the upside down position (max is 180 degrees) and the ore dumps out of it whilet eh car is upside down. Once the car is fully empty, the operator uses the switch/button again to spin the car back onto it's bogies. after the car is back on all bogies, there is a special button/switch that will automatically push the car off the rotary. now once it is pushed out, the track has to have a bit of a incline at the end of it and the switch for it will change automatically. now the track for the rotary dump has two variants, one for flat ground, one for incluines. now for inclines, since there is no engine powering the car up, the operator has yet another button/switch that activates a specal device that acts like a escolator/conveyor that latches and pushes on the rear most bogey. after it is latched on automatically, it will then immediately push that bogey makin g the car move up the grade. after it hits the peak of the graded track, it will then automatically release and retract and then move down ready for the next car. now how they stop the moving car? well, they have special stoppers at the end of the double railed mini yard track that will stop the car. once all cars are unloaded from the rotary dump and are at a standstill, they bring in the locmotive to couuple all the cars back together. once all cars of the train are coupled again, the train go es back to the mine or wherever for the next load. also, the stoppers go down when bringing the locomotive in, forgot to say that. I have seen it in Gmod before, since I used to go into trainbuild servers and do OPS and some of my loads, well, have gone to the rotary. so yeah that is my knowledge on it. sorry for this LONG comment Hyce. either way, keep up your guys railroad and uhh also keep having fun! can';t wait to do an OPS session on that with you AND kAN!

41:40 wisteling Diesel is the guy who did it, it was amazing

This is why Betsy is Bestie

Nice Hyce you and KAN Make a great Narrow Gauge Railroad Crew

Lol the day kan has lost his head and says you guys are going to freeze the lakes in a game I never thought I’d hear that !!!❤

Amazing vid, keep it up!

Love the music especially at around 32:00 it seems familiar❤

I am thinking of running the eastern mountain gap between the factory and the iron mine to really cut the distance. Also you can just grab drag and let go to place the iron ore chute at the right angle, no reason to go up and down like that. I also use Y turn arounds on my railroad as they are so much simpler, and I can turn around a full consist with them. Only use turntables when I have no choice for space.

probably wrong, but one possible interpretation of angled cylinders: depending where the cylinder cocks are, it may help gather condensed water to help clear the cylinder

I used to drive past that BNSF station in New Westminster on my way to work!

When you were talking about the tank steering at 40mins British (UK) narrow gauge had locomotives with two fronts.

"Get out of the way Class 48. We're gonna send betsy down the hill with all reckless abandon." Aah yes. The Smells of Kenosha.

anyone else spend most of the video wondering if they were gonna close the sander

Once you finish all the routes would you share the save file? I’m no good at laying track but I do like to run trains.

keep in mind not everything scales properly, sometime a little thing that doesn't make a difference on a big engine in this case, make a huge difference in a very small one. for instance coil over drop shackle on crawlers, in a life size it can be a very bad idea, bit in a rc, can help drastically and doesn't cause problems driving it, with a torquey crawler, you put in a motor for speed and its another story.

Wow. That was awesome 👍😎. Keep up the great work. Both of you,you almost had to head Betsy off at said pass!!!!!!Cool Merry Christmas ES&D 🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄 put the sticker on my Betsy. Van. Anyhoo. Bye

Since the moment I saw the miniature I knew this was going to be good xD

Loved the little train! Daft idea for Montezooma: maybe get a few more caboose to make a small passenger train for it? Not sure about US stock but here in the UK we started out with 4 wheel coaching stock, so may look nice with a few of the caboose you have already with the larger view port caboose on the back?

So I was very much inspired by the iron route you guy took but I went a little crazy with it... its a 9% grade at first and I run a C-70 and the Heistler to pull 4 hoppers, 4 lumber, 4 beams and the bobber up. Its good fun.

lol, i remember the cart wheels on the charger, i think that was westinchaplin`s if im not mistaken, that`s not the only crazy thing he`s done thus far x,D

Learning a forbidden iron loading technique from this video - had no idea that stopping and starting the flow over and over would be that quick!

I just got my iron ore mine line ready. Now in grinding to get a gear train to get up there with some cars

Honestly, it looks like there's plenty of room to have Betsy and the hopper on the turn table at once.

29:54 ah nice, Battle Hymn of the Republic Actually we could drift a handcar probably 😅

15:49 um, I think Betsey has kicked you off the train saying you are not going to bin me today. Lol

Never thought I'd hear hyce mention a whistlindiesel video!

nice work

Good thing kan set up the telegraph office after this XD

Funnily enough they still empty iron ore hoppers by turning them upside down in some where in Western Australia.

Beer and lunch while watching hyce today is a good day

A thing I'd recommend, use Montezuma for lighter traffic over the road, even use her for light switching moves wherever needed.

Just in the first seconds I'm already laughing at your bad pun. Where the limes at? XD

Eyy much nicer looking brake van

aaaaaand there go my plans to stow away on the beansniff