I am shocked how cheap e-trones are. I wonder why?

My 2019 (according to my local dealer) has an 8 year or 100K mile motor warranty.

@@Whole_Leash_It unless you bought an extended warranty I'd encourage you to double check, especially as dealerships still aren't familiar with EVs and can easily misspeak/confuse issues. 8yr/100k is the battery warranty, but the basic and drivetrain warranty is 4 yr/50k.

​@@Whole_Leash_Itthat is the battery warranty

Is there a data source for the motor failing eventually? The when not if part? I'm seriously looking and this is the one thing I've heard could be a problem, though the anecdote was coolant leaked and that is what caused the motor to go out.

@@miketaylor3947 This will be a tl,dr, but short answer, no hard data, only Audi would have that and I'm sure its not a number they plan on releasing. Long winded answer, as someone who owns one I'm in a few forums regarding the vehicle so have seen that its an issue without a real solution, other than maybe some preventive maintenance. Both motors seem to regularly seep coolant, front motors were replaced with a recall and that seems to have mitigated the issue for the most part, so if you're shopping around make sure that recall has been done, but the front motor will still require the coolant to be drained at 20k intervals, I don't know how DIY this is, it looks a little complicated to me. The rear motor has a overflow canister, if you have a mount and are handy, checking and replacing this does look to be a bit more doable on a DIY level, the rear motor just notes replacing the canister at 20k intervals, no draining like the front motor (I did my 20k service at about 24k miles and my dealership said my canister was dry and didn't need to be replaced at that time). The failures of the rear motor, which seems to be the motor that is failing after the 4 year mark, SEEMS to result when that canister gets full and it isn't caught in time. So potentially regular maintenance checks of the coolant on the two motors MIGHT prevent the motor failure, but there doesn't seem to be any real consistency between vehicles as to how much coolant leaks in to the overflow canister in regards to mileage or usage, there have been some that got the rear motor failure before even the 20k mile mark, it just seems like some vehicles are luckier than others as to the rate of coolant leaking.

Do you have pointers to this issue?

Seconded, Audi makes the best sportback.

@@godofdun❤

Also slightly more efficient due to lower drag.

I'm actually thinking of trading in for the q8 sport back E-Tron...

Not only that but Tesla’s bad earning will likely push them to do more price cuts and therefore plumet the prices across the board for new & used

@@hammiusa1Great for consumers!

I saw a video that explained most luxury cars across the board depreciate fast in 4-5 years because they are over engineered. Once the warranty goes out, repairs are too expensive and drawn out.

Looks like the motors have a coolant problem that makes it only a matter of time until they fail. Accountants prepare those extended warranties, and if they’re excluding motors, that tells you all you need to know about them.

@@Jeddin Is there data on the motor failure rate? I'm seriously looking and I'm pretty sure my top question after basic history of the car is remaining warranty, what's covered and what's not and options for an extended.

I second this!

I think it would be interested to see the aero impact of the wheels as well!

That seems like a no-brainer... if the charging is free, plug it in at work every day! Level 1 charging is better for the overall health of the battery, just set 80% charge and take advantage... you may not even need to charge anywhere else on a regular basis!

I drive the Kia EV6 and I think I could do it. I have done the 18 minutes 10-80%. If you can live with a slightly smaller car, there’s a Kia EV4 coming. It should be on the same platform but a little smaller and cheaper.

​@@tomm5936The Ionic 5 definitely can't, in the AWD model. You'd have to go 225 miles at 75mph and the car is only rated for 233 miles on the highway, so even 18 minutes 10 to 80 loses 30% of the rated range and puts that at only 163 miles, or 2 hours 10 minutes of driving for 18 minutes of charging, not 3 hours for 15. They are getting close, but still a pretty far gap to 3 hours in 15 minutes.

@@Snerdles yes you’re right. With a little calculation I see that wouldn’t work. I drive the RWD which is more efficient on paper at least and I believe I get more than the 163 miles but you’re right it won’t go 225 miles.

Are you planning on becoming a bank robber then?

@@martyndavies1482 Uh, what? No. I just do regular long trips in the 600-800km range (return) where I drive to a location, work for usually about 4 hours, and then drive back. In my PHEV I can fill the night before leave with a charge, drive an entire 800km, get home, and still have enough gas while combined with daily charging to do the next few weeks of city driving. An EV would need to charge twice during those trips, so if it was something like an E-tron that would add another hour and 20 minutes to the trip making it nearly a 14 hour day.

They both have the same charge time to 80%, so the Q8 should do slightly better if plugging in around 30% since it will hit the 170kW for a bit.

Get the e-tron! Better range, better charging, and a nicer vehicle.

Where are you based? I looked at the I-Pace in the past, but you don't see them over here at all (Germany). Also it's a big difference if you want to buy or lease.

etron is the newer/better car, will charge much faster than an ipace.

@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 I'm in the Northeast US, looking at used 2019-2021's. E-Trons and I-Paces are about the same price here with the same options. They have about the same power, range, etc as well.

I was looking at an I-Pace until two friends who work at JLR as service advisors steered me away. Apparently they had a lot of issues with those cars that the dealer themselves can't solve all the time. Eventually went with the Audi e-tron and happy with it overall.

My e-tron always remains in eco mode. Never felt the need to take it out of it. Its been 3 years.

@@flashingc okay! 👍 What is your reasoning behind the decision?

@@Harrythehuncoz in most cases I don't need the super fast acceleration or blaring air conditioning. For a daily driver that is always parked inside, efficiency mode is enough.

Or the 10-15-10 challenge

Isn't it down to the local laws that restricts companies reselling electricity directly? Charging by time is just a loophole to get around that.

@@martyndavies1482 Not anymore in Canada. That used to be the case for years but recently changed. Almost no suppliers are changing to per kWh charging even though they could since it is far more profitable not to.

He has done the ioniq 6. Look at his video list. I "sold" mine ioniq 5 before he could use it to do the test. But I did the charge test and got 55.2kwh in 15 minutes at the same charger he uses most of the time

@markrichards9792 thanks... I'll take a look... They should do well...

The difference between Chademo and CCS is even if every CCS station disappears and its only Tesla superchargers, CCS cars can still use a Tesla charger (assuming the station is open to allow other vehicles at this hypothetical point) with an adaptor and still get the full charging potential of the vehicle. When Chademo disappears Chademo vehicles just have to be phased out or live with level 2.

It's a different platform - MEB vs. the upcoming PPE from Audi

I’d rather buy an EV from a company that knows how to build a car that doesn’t rattle and clank, has panels aligned and doesn’t have paint that simply falls off under normal use.

@@fupresti556 who’s paint falls off?

@@fupresti556 I have two Teslas and none of this is true.

@@fupresti556 The eTron is really solid, no rattles or squeeks. If one developes the dealer will be glad to fix it.