Team Fortress 2 should be considered an indie game by now with that one developer.

"TF2 is from 2007 and has only ONE developer" - thank you janator for keeping the game alive.

Even Valve is learning from its own terrible choices, they gave birth to the concept of the battlepass, and now they're getting rid of them

Team Fortress 2 aged so perfectly that Valve doesn't even need to add contents, they just ask for the communities and literally get free work! AND! the ones that made the works got homemade version of the items they put on the market! Win win for everyone.

The way I see it, TF2 is Luigi in 'Luigi wins by doing nothing'. The game just exists at this point and then outlasts any potential competitors by doing almost literally nothing. Those competitors keep on running themselves into the ground or the game just dies for some other reason. TF2 outlasts all even with the bot problem that it has and it's to a point where the remaining players either adapted around these bots or just play on community servers.

WE PUTTING THE OVER IN OVERWATCH WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🔥🔥

it’s funny but almost everything we love and hate about the video game industry can be traced back to valve You know who really popularized Lootboxes CSGO while yes Tf2 has lootboxes before CSGO CSGO was on demand lootboxes that we designed by phycologists to be addicting The battle bass was first created by Dota 2 and well as much as i love steam Steam is basically a monopoly on the PC gaming market that killed physical media and we still don’t know valves plan for when steam shuts down (they said they have a plan back in 2013 but they’ve never elaborated on that since and we can only theorize what it would be) i love valve i think they overall are still more of a good than evil (similar to Nintendo Atlus or Sega) but god these gaming companies need to realize that unless your Valve or Nintendo you aren’t going to get away with it those 2 companies have both revolutionized gaming and have strong fanbases that are willing to put with alot of shit Your fanbase will split the moment you even try to do one third the shit those 2 have done

Can’t believe that a Plant is beating all of the OW developers

Not the fault of the developers, it's the awful higher ups. Those devs are really good, but they are being told to produce wet garbage. You can't just say "no" to your boss, that's how you get promoted to janitor.

tf2 was released 4 days after i was born and it stuck around long enough for me to be playing and enjoying it right now so i think tf2 is going to last forever

Its almost like they shut down the first game... ... And then made a sequel that was could essentially just of been an update. Even the PVE thing could just of been introduced in an update, but no, money hungry game developers who can't keep their promises

Dang I never thought I would see Jack Horner roast OverWatch 2 and expose it like this.

i genuinely feel bad for OW2. it had a massive set up for lore, decent gameplay, in a large community (even if for the wrong reason). it makes me kind of sad to see it go down the drain because the higher-ups wanted a quick cash-grab.

Few months ago i tried to play OW2 through battle net 1. The password i put there didn t work 2.when i tried to change the password it didn’t let me

I think it seriously should be said more that this isn't the developer's fault. They do the best they can with the horrible directions and decision making of the corporate executives who are actually behind the descent to failure of overwatch. I hope that with blizzard being bought by Microsoft things will improve and the dev team will actually be given the chance to make the game how it was always meant to be

So both games dug a deep pit but Tf2 has a slow elevator thats prob gonna get them back up While over watch has a ladder that may break

I'm gonna push a little against calling the developers lazy and incompetent. We've seen what Bobby Kotick and the rest of the corpo gang have done. They might be crunched to hell, or left in disarray after losing so many employees to layoffs, union busting, or outright sexual abuse (And the scapegoat resignations that happen). Plus, there seems to be "big news" coming out every time a controversy happens, so they're probably even more crunched loading one in the chamber for when we find out ol' Bobby's been to a certain island a few years back.

You practically said that "TF2 won this war whitout even putting a fight and that's a problem" and I 100% agree

Tf2 has aged like the craisins on top of the fridge, overwatch has aged like any dairy you forgot to put in the fridge.

i hope saudi arabia win the ow world cup and then leave

man if i could, i'd apply to be a dev for tf2

I'm pretty happy that Overwatch is now on steam, because now we can see through their lies. I mean one of Overwatches biggest things was that it sold 40 million copies, which then got whitled down to 25 million players for OW2, which then would be whitled down even further by looking at concurrent players on a 3rd party site (which was around 10 million when I looked at it in late October), to now roughly 40k concurrent players on Steam.

Glad to see you're making longer videos, like you used to.

Imagine how huge TF2 would be if Valve still cared enough to have a team delivering regular content for it.

I remember when someone said "why play paladins when overwatch is free now" but considering recent events "why play overwatch when paladins and tf2 are free"

Honestly Overwatch 1 was so fun, I loved the franchise until the came out with 2 and closed down the original Overwatch. Blizzard is just a fuster cluck of horrible stuff.

6:00 not exactly. TF2 weapons are mosty side-grades compared to the stock ones and can be obtained via random drop.

4:15 I don't think it's fair to bash the devs like that when it comes to talking about skill level. I don't see how the outcome of overwatch would come from their skill when the direction of the game is based on the higher ups.

Man, im just confused why TF2 doesn't have any devs other than the only one somehow holding the game together.

I like tf2 but it feels kinda dead also. Queueing for casual always gives me an unbalanced match or 5vs5 and shows 'searching for players' on tab. Maybe I am doing something wrong and 90% of players are afk or playing custom servers?

i feel bad for the OW players that got the game when it was good

Damn. This man doesn't get tired of trashing on Overwatch.

this was interesting

I feel like my lil bro can make a better game than blizzard.

The correct answer is that Blizzard finally got what’s been coming to them for a long while. Had to happen eventually.

ow2 players when u say his game is dead : Yes, we know 👻👻 tf2 players when u say his game is dead : umm actually 🤓🤓☝☝

A long video from zealot? Impossible

I view overwatch as the rwby of the FPS genre, at first it started a little rough but it had likeable aspects. Now it’s introducing pointless additions that add nothing and make decisions for the sake of seeming like they’re so progressive and inclusive. (Remember that diversity chart blizzard planned for OW2?) And ironically both series are owned by awful companies that treat their employees and IP’s like dirt and only care for the income rather than their fanbase enjoyment; *AND* both have “those” kind of fans with a weird obsession with said terrible company and will shill any money for them no matter the quality of the product.

If I could describe the current state of Overwatch vs TF2, i'd define it with the Mann brothers rivalry,. That is TF2 vs Overwatch, 2 old beasts that have been fighting for too long, and have basically become walking corpses, waiting for the other to drop dead, and in the end one does, not long before the other does as well.

"valve dosen't make new games" Counter strike 2

8:00 its just me, or this part of this map ( i don't know the name) is similar to pier, between the 2° and 3° point?

As far as I’m concerned the only way to make people want to play the game is PvE mode. Which of course has been canceled despite it being the whole reason Overwatch has a “2” on it.

I'm hoping Overwatch's source code gets leaked just so people can make better versions of Overwatch with actual mod support

When OW2 devs try to get investors with schemes nut tf2 is like “hey we have a really cool seal”

I just wanna see Phil Spencer come out in the Gamescom and say "Hey, we are sorry for the OW Team decision, we are going to commit to keep the previous promises", Like, it's not impossible to do what they promised it would be the number 2 in the game.

I remember the drama with your channel but you've really done a 180 and make informative nice content now I was expecting the average haha overwatch sucks ass with no evidence behind it but you've provided lots of research and logic its really nice good video zealot

wait... TF2 started as a pay 2 play game, in 2012, long after it came out, the game went free, and the lootboxes where actually invented an populirized by fifa

Here’s something I should say, I used to be obsessed playing Tf2, then OW came out and I started playing OW more then TF2 until well OW2, every time I was playing OW2 it just reminded me TF2 and it’s name literally got me to go back on playing TF2 again.

I think OW2 is suffering more from crappy management than lazy devs

Zealot is definitely my favourite Tf2 KZfaqr (keep up the good work)

At this point Overwatch 2 is a cautionary tale at this point

I have to say something i play casual normal and i found like 8 bots are the bots back?

Even though valve isn't making games anymore they are still working on their existing and stuff like steam OS, the steam launcher, steam deck, old titles bug fixes/game updates, etc

It really sucks how OW got treated. I really thought it would be a fun game that would last a lot longer.

Overwatch 2 to lore “Swipes credit card”

what was that song name at 6:36 ? I forgot

Ok but why is the video flipped?

Jeff never wanted the competative mode in the first place, let alone the gold weapons

as a gamer nerd I didn’t expect Another Medium from Undertale in the background.

Bruh why did you invert the B roll footage, I thought you were playing with the left handed viewmodel but I've played on this map before. I'm onto you.

I agree with your viewpoint of OW2, the game is a rotting corpse that is trying it's hardest to squeeze as much cash as it can before it completely decomposes, however, i don't think it's the fault of the developers here, i'll quote what TheWhatShow said "the reason as to why PvE was scrapped was because of upper managment moving away people from working to the PvE content, into working for the actual 5v5 game, because they weren't selling enough battlepasses" I know that it's not a direct quote from him but that's pretty much what he said

when i tried getting overwatch 2 it would get stuck at around 84% download

Hate on Overwatch all you want but you don't disrespect the devs like that, if anyone is to blame its the higher ups att Blizzard

The skill in the background though

Cash grabbing garbage is cash grabbing garbage, no matter where you put it

as former overwatch 2, i agree im play tf2 recently right now.

since when did only a single person work on the game? Voice actors? Model designing? Map building?

i didnt listen to a thing you said but the tf2 gameplay went well with my music so thanks

It’s so crazy that blizzard has over 10 million devs who have more work time and constant updates but yet got their butts kicked by a janitor who knows nothing about coding🤯

Ironically, no, they didn't beg, it's sadder than that. In order for allowing the Microsoft deal to pass, they are required to put certain games on multiple platforms, both CoD and OW2. Also Microsoft has a contract with Valve to put certain genre's of their own titles on Steam, namely FPS's. So yeah, Blizzard didn't want it on steam, it would put it up for actual customer reviews and player stats, but they don't have a choice if they want to be purchased by MSFT.

Honestly how Zealot has changed. From shitty ai tf2 videos that were just down right horrible, to a tf2 commentary guy that I can actually listen to

The only competition tf2 would have is is tf3 released

Whats the songs in the background?💀

Wow, zealot has changed but in a good way

If i have option would i work on overwatch 2 or TF2 i choose TF2

We are just sitting here on the beach with a seal laughing at overwatch 2

Hold on, I still use battlenet. It spies on me?

I remember not bein' a fan of Loot Boxes in Overwatch 1... but now that Overwatch 2's dumped Loot Boxes and taken the Battle Pass approach, it made me realize how much I miss Loot Boxes. 😄

bro I cant even create a battlenet account. It doesn't work.

Overwatch was fun for a time, but never really had any staying power. Every character has locked in abilities and no weapon variety, the best you can get are skins whereas, say, an Engineer could have be stock, versatile with mini-sentries, be a mix of offence and defence with the Rescue Ranger or a berserker who slaughters Heavies on the frontline. You see a Junkrat, you immediately know 'that character has a grenade launcher and is likely going to rev up an explosive tire.' There's no variety, no personalisation, it's one and done no matter how many characters they have. Even their PVE modes weren't anything all that special with 'you four, exactly as you are, need to complete these objectives' as opposed to MVM's 'the waves get tougher, but so do you and there's a bonus for doing well'. And in their efforts to pursue 'inclusivity', they ended up damaging the characters they already had, making it look more like such things were arbitrarily crowbarred in long after their creation for the sake of political pandering rather than something that happened organically. TF2's pretty light on story even considering things like Expiration Date and the comics and even these nine classes have more charm and personality than a majority of Overwatch's cast will ever have unless their name's McCree, Winston or Hana Song. No, I'm not calling him anything other than McCree, it's a name and shouldn't be changed because a terrible individual happened to have the same one, you don't see the Nambian politician changing his because it's the same as a failed Austrian painter.

DAMN YOU ARE GODLY AT ROCKET JUMPING

I prefer TF2, but there are some things we need to consider. For one, by our best estimates there are roundabout 30k bots in TF2 24/7 as determined by mastercoms' tool. I don't know why and how that makes sense but that appears to be the case. So when TF2 reports 100k players, it's actually 70k. The other thing is that OW2 is still on BattleNet and we have no idea how many people play it on BattleNet vs Steam. Blizzard doesn't reveal any data at all. There are some shady third-party websites that claim to have a good estimate on the total playercount but they have zero data to work with and they only exist to shove ads in your face, more than half the web pages are taken up by ads

It's sad to see Overwatch fall from grace as to be real, the real reason why the original creator of OW left blizzard not because of the developers but because of the e-sports league branch that was messing things up for the devs and the direction of the game that Jeff Caplan had to leave blizzard because of the company was favoring competitive over what the game was so supposed to be from the beginning... Indeed this is Sad for what Overwatch had become...

Cause we don't let it live, We finish the beast, Here and now! Brothers to arms!

TF2 made a handfull of characters and built upon them. Overwatch makes a billion characters and build on none of them.

Meanwhile in tf2: RPS ME COWARD

Holy shit I check it reviews today

Not one developer, one janitor.

there are 15 devs in dev tf2 team, not one, its just valve letting them chill out and do their own side projects, they are basically free to do stuff

Ok, but i dont get how is overwatch 2 able to host competitions with huge prize money. The same for Rainbow six (which i sincerely dont understand how they manage to give such huge prize money for a game in which 50/50 people say "its dead and full of cheaters and unfair gameplay".

Overwatch: the old grey mare she a'int what she used to be.... Team Fortress 2: yeah Don't hold my beer, I'm just gonna sit at watch!

“Son, let me tell you about a man named Gaben”

Some info here that don't sound right to me, I wouldn't call loot from playing MvM loot boxes. I'd say the loot box stuff would better apply to CS:GO. Still Valve though.

i immediately uninstalled overwatch after they removed roadhogs one shot combo for me that was the last straw after multiple questionable balance updates

imagine valve still does a tf2 x OV2 crossthing (idk what the name for that is).

hey you say battle net is for spying i have it to play starcraft 2 how bad is it?

W to that guy who wrote into reviews :"bad game, good p*rn"😂

I play tf2 and owervatch, but damn. The least bias Tf2 player:

Can wait to see a similar video again with counterstrike 2 vs valorant. Give it 5-8 years and valorant will suffer a similar fate.

fun fact. in overwatch they released it on steam because they wanted to see what people think of the game with steams awsome commenting system when it comes to reviews