Soo its the price of these rounds that hit you the hardest or actually getting them? Logistics i mean

@oxide how woild i go about sending you ammo i have 2 rounds of 7.62x54r api i would donate

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One thing I don't get is why the US doesn't have a Steel Cored AP round akin to the 7.62mm NATO M61 Black Tip but in 5.56mm NATO considering that even the Military supposedly has to pay $15 a round at minimum for the Tungsten cored M995. They would be more economical vs Hard Targets and body armor plus could more readily use tracer versions. At one point I could have sworn I stumbled across a possible mention of such a round under the 5.56mm NATO article on Wikipedia but it wasn't there when I checked later.

i have to wonder why you wouldn't shoot the IOTV as a whole with the plates properly installed. Not to be pedantic but it's just not realistic tbh..

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Loved ur 9x39 test video too!

Good takeaways in the comments like this give me hope

@@Oxide_does_his_best I've heard that the xsapi might actually use an aluminum plate to help Bond the strike face together, though it is a bit older, I'm wondering how it performs in this aspect.

@@qwe304 actually if im not mistaken, both the esapi and xsapi use steel crack arrestors embeded in the plates, but seeing that on the tests the plates dont seem to have it, it would seem its rather exclusive to the xsapi line

It probably also comes down to cost and complexity; a complete armor Kit (plate carrier and helmet) and set of plates for a Single US Soldier is supposed to cost Thousands of dollars. Not something you get for a few hundred $ at Ar500 and T-Rex Arms...

@@qwe304 Going Ballistic tested an XSBI (the same thing as XSAPI but a side plate) plate and confirmed that it does have a metal layer.

I'm just wondering were in the hell he found brass cased 5.45x39 lol

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@@2bidfilmsguyPretty sure Hornady makes a 5.45x39 round.

It belongs in a museum😂

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Love running armor on squad. You guys should try out the Sealz server. Lots of experienced people on there.

The 12.7x55 have multiple AP loadings, one of which has a 76g sabot like bullet with a solid penetrator (probably made of tungsten, although that is simply an educated guess). Edit: The round I am referring to is the STs-130VPS. Edit 2: 76g is 1,173 grains and the velocity of the projectile is 980 ft/s. Muzzle energy equates to 2,451 ft•lbs according to “Military Technology” issue 7-8 of year 2020 on page 52 at the end of the first paragraph. So the STs-130VPS has a hard penetrator with a lot of ass behind it. I agree that it would be supremely interesting to see it tested against western armor, however, considering that the cartridge and their weapons only entered service fairly recently (the first ShAK-12’s were delivered to the FSB in 2011) I believe that they might prove to be the limit of what Oxide can get his hands on. But I would love to be proven wrong! Source: monch.com/ebooks/military-technology/2020/07hgr2wcm/52/ Edit 3: Ok I appear to have clowned myself pretty damn hard. I didn’t watch the last 30s at first, but it appears that Oxide will be able to get his hands on a 12x55 rifle and cartridge. I am stumped.

@@Burner_1-one I know it's asking for a lot but would pretty cool to see. With the AP loading statements I was referring to the AR-15 straightwall/ thumper concept loads (.50 beowulf, .458 SOCOM, .450 bushmaster, and more). Primarily because their designs were evaluated by SOCOM that wanted what 9x39mm and now 12.7x55 offer (heavy sub sonic rounds) but because the AR-15 straightwall cartridges didn't get adopted officially nor do they have any (well known) AP loads. I think the Barnes solid loads got banned because of the funny ATF rulings and that was solid brass IIRC and that's been proven to be not so good at armor penetration. I'm aware of the 12.7x55 AP loads. It's just the American competitors just don't have those loads known or publicly available. So we can't get a true comparison but can theoretically guess.

.500 Phantom and .470 rhino I didn't mention because like the phantom's name it's basically a ghost and legend ( I believe the custom brass making killed it off pretty quickly). interesting rounds though. with commercially and still viable rounds .458 is the closest we have. 26g loads @489 m/s putting out 3,148J is fairly close to some of the loads of 12.7x55mm (similar energy to the Sts130VPS load {AP load} , 76g @295m/s producing 3,307j). .50 Beowulf is actually an outlier to them because alexander arms goes kind of nutty on what they want the round to do (6.5 Grendel having great BC and smaller but comparable to .243) they made the .50 Beowulf a beast. 26g @550m/s producing a hard hitting 3,902 joules. the caveat is that neither .458 or .50 beo are spitzer types or have active loaded AP rounds that I can find. they make a polymer tipped .458 spitzer but none have penetrators. which is the problem because we can only theoretically guess unless a madman makes some customs. a 458 or 50 style SLAP could probably give 12.7x55mm Sts130VPS a run for its money but it doesn't exist and can't really be tested sadly. Note: using the metric system instead of the standard American way because I studied a decent amount of physics and easier for my brain to process joules, grams, and m/s. Also got drunk and probably rambling sorry if i did and this makes no sense

@@AceFalken I had actually never heard of .500 phantom or .470 rhino before, for the same reason that they’re hard to find I guess. Same for the .458 spritzer. Can the spritzer be fired through a regular AR-15 magwell? If the casing is the same as .458 socom (I assume) than the bullet would either have to be super short or it would not fit in said magwells. If it is longer than .458 socom then I would assume that it is meant for AR-10 (7,62x54) sized magwells? I live in Europe and use metric for day-to-day things and for physics and such in uni, but I used imperial here to dodge all of the moaning that usually follow whenever I use metric when discussing cartridges and firearms.

@@Burner_1-one Sorry must have been a little bit of a mishap meant to reply to the other guy with that last comment. Little confusion on Spitzer is basically how many common bullets are. They come to a fine point. Most common 458 and 50 beowulf loads are flat points (they don't have points). they can't change the length of the round so instead they use a more harsh angle on the bullet to come to the fine point and some times at a slight loss of mass. to have an AP load you'd have to have a Spitzer type bullet. Works the same as the flat noses but more aerodynamic for more range. They do make some Spitzer for both but are pretty rare and have a polymer ballistic tip to help with expansion while hunting. You could in theory make a mold and replace that tip with steel and make a psuedo penetrator but it wouldn't be an AP round like other rounds. more like M855/SS109. more of a barrier defeating bullet than a armor defeating bullet. If it could get an actual tungsten or steel penetrator it would be AP.

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I immediately recognized it and got really happy

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Agreed. That 0edit vibes makes me damn happy. Any recognition for Ed Harrison is good in my books

very hard layer backing the armor is not a good idea IIRC, this can reduce the potential for proper defeating ability, as there is less room to flex further, IHPS showing was questionable for me

a slower bigger round will pen less but do more blunt trauma theres ur anwser

@@dalejrjunior1298 no

@@Oxide_does_his_best no

Im still of the opinion that we havent saw every existing round in current Russian or Chinese service, tried against Western armors. Or. Nor have we saw what might be still under development in Eastern nation arsenals. And some of what is being done in testing here and elsewhere? Are approximations....educated, very well done approxoimations,....but approximations nonetheless, of what we "think" might be in existence, versus how that might fair against the given armor under test. I mean. For example. 7.62x54 alone has had a Hellascious amount of development poured into its 108+year history. With AP, API, and even tungsten and explosive tipped bullets having been tested/ developed for it. And it IS still in general service by a crap ton of countries. Whereas .308 and .30-06 have taken more of a backseat in the one case and been completely declared obsolete in the other case, in the West. So its difficult to say just how .30-06 might perform if it were modernized or developed furthur than its old black tip iteration. Which seems to be the only version of '06 thats around to be tested these days. And .308/7.62x51 itself might still have some room for development. But. Either way. I think one thing that IS being revealed by these tests, is that the smaller caliber cartridges in the 5.56-5.45 line? Have pretty much reached the end of their AP, developmental life. Their speed and flatish shooting at close to medium ranges might be nice? But they just dont have enough bullet mass to deliver the necessary amount of metal to meet the meat, across the board, nowadays.

@@Oxide_does_his_best huh? u gotta be kidding right? the bigger the round and the slower it moves obv it will do less pen. xd when ur shooting a 50cal projectile at subsonic speeds its kinda ass

Jaysus Christ hahaha

Yes it all is

glad people still remember it lol

Finally someone recognized it

@@Oxide_does_his_best is it lc/70 marked or is it a reload? there were very few made and all in that year, so its a decent indicator. should have significantly better penetration than even SLAP rounds.

@@qwe304 some boomer messed with them so I have to reload. The giveaway is the violet around the primer

@@Oxide_does_his_best I doubt there's any published velocities for that ammo, so you're probably in the dark.

@@Oxide_does_his_best I say just load it hot as you are comfortable with. Also, it's hard to tell from just photos but is the sabot discarding or is it just meant to separate on actual impact?

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Yeah I'd be interested to see the new round as well. So far the math doesn't add up to the claims the military is making about its armor penetration capabilities.

@@smokeeater917 the m5 will use an m80a1 style exposed tungsten penetrator loaded to 100k or so psi to defeat level 4 armor at extended range. Exposed tungsten supposedly is much more effective against ceramic than tungsten core

@@user-oy9zy4ds9m it's only 80,000 psi out of a 13in barrel. The velocity is less than 2600fps. The math isn't there to back up the claim.

@@smokeeater917 no supposedly the AP round will be around 100k psi. 80k for standard ball rounds or training. The 80k still send the 135 grain round about 2900 not 2600. The gun is capable of handling up to 120k psi

That is Zach yes

Would probably be easiest to just load it into a breach loading 50 caliber, but at lower velocity

Delayed for sus

@@Oxide_does_his_best Amog us reference??????1????1??

Зачем? и так все ясно, 7н22, черный носик, держит один, два других пробило,один из которых застрял в кевларе, до 7н24 разницы практически нет, 7н40 это патрон повышенной кучности, для меткого бойца из отряда с новым стволом и оптикой, о пробиваемости речи нет.Удивило, что её пробил 7.62\51 бронебойный, надо было отстреливать свежим 7.62\54 б-32 бз, результат интересен, должна держать, но цена плиты и вздутие которое она дает от 7.62\39 бз пипец! Гранит бр5 6а Техинком и Щёлковская будут получше, единственное, наши тяжелее , т к из оксида алюминия.

5.8X42mm is not exported at all to any country outside of china unfortunately so that is impossible. All export versions of the 5.8X42mm rifles are rechambered in 5.56.

@@REIDAE Damn that sucks

ASH12 was made for close quarters anti terror operations for the FSB where they needed to be able to defeat a hostile in armor in one shot without any over penetration, i saw a few videos but i dont have the links to it but its not a common gun, ive never been able to find an actual reference picture of it being used unlike the VSSK which i have seen a few of but its also a rare gun.

I doubt anyone but the actual Russians are going to get that video out. There are no private sources for those guns at all unlike the ~relatively common VSS and AK12, AK105 etc.

@@deltaforce2780 Well thing is its not even meant to penetrate armor, after Incidents when terrorists were on heavy drugs and just kept going after being shot even if it penetrated armor. Thing desighned in a way to drop anyone down just by force alone

It's not BP, BP (7N12) is new round more effective than 9x39 SP6 and PAB-9 in video at least by 10%.

Good question, 9x39 does a better job of breaking up the plate and will penetrate sooner with repeated hits. AIM for the face instead. Your weapon is suppressed either way and likely you’ll have the first shot

@@Oxide_does_his_best But what if the cheeki breeki ruskie has hard plates duct taped all over his face??? Great vid tho, was great to see the 9x39 compared to others.

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The round is indeed identical. They're SiC.

@@Oxide_does_his_best Is it SiC or B4C? It seems there's conflicting issues as to what they are made out of. Maybe the newer rev's are Sic? The Rev E didn't have the crack arresstor my "E" did.

@@BuffRANGE I’m pretty sure that these are SIC plates. Unless I’m on drugs I don’t think boron gets this silver right?

@@Oxide_does_his_best That I'm not sure. No one has ever been able to give me a definitive answer. My own experience could be just an incorrect observation but Sic doesn't clean up well. Its like it gets embedded into the table and surface it touches. Lots of "dust"/dirtiness. B4C, just wipes right up.

@@BuffRANGE I hate this so much, I’ll test it later and figure it out

I used to have an NDM86. Bought old russian API 54r at a gunshow. Shot it against a commercial lvl 4 plate. It stopped the threat. Shot it at 30 yards. People should have confidence with their lvl 4 plates.

@@humansvd3269 they do the job 👍🏻

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