Framing Gun Comparison! Milwaukee v Paslode v Hikoki v Dewalt [2020]

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Oz Tool Talk

Oz Tool Talk

4 жыл бұрын

oztooltalk have cranked out our best comparison yet! Pitting the latest battery operated framing nailers against the long-reigning Paslode FrameMaster.
Tests include 75mm and 90mm nails into pine, hardwood and LVLs, plus skew nailing. We score power (10), ergonomics (10), speed & consistency (5), usability (5) and noise (5).
Thanks to our sponsor TOTAL TOOLS!
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Models:
Dewalt - DCN692 Gen 3
www.totaltools.com.au/150227-...
Hikoki - NR1890DBCL / Metabo HPT NR1890DR
www.totaltools.com.au/133045-...
Milwaukee - M18FFN / 2745
www.totaltools.com.au/146284-...
Paslode FrameMaster - B20543P
www.totaltools.com.au/106961-...
Full Spec Sheet - 5:06
Skew Nailing - 1:08
Pine Nailing 90mm - 2:49
Hardwood + Pine - 3:48
High Speed Nailing - 5:28
Hardwood + Hardwood - 7:51
LVL + LVL - 8:58
Wrap-Up - 9:14
Full Scores - 21:18
AUD Prices - 22:34
Thanks for watching!

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@turbocut
@turbocut 4 жыл бұрын
you two really give a good, clear and factual demonstration on this, there are loads of videos where the reviewer is the owner of the tool and therefore really talks it up but you two don’t do that. Top blokes, top review!
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
thanks man. we try REALLY hard to be objective ! :D
@SpriteHide
@SpriteHide 11 ай бұрын
I bought this nail gun as we were planning to renew all the fencing in our back garden. As this involved 19 double slatted fence panels, 10 of which needed to be cut down in size, we knew there would be a need for a great kzfaq.infoUgkxHQsUrwNr5GQrnx9V4xDdUr56qxwuiBHt deal of re-stapling the wooden slats to the wooden framework. Each alteration required the re-stapling of 62 wooden slats with double staples. Prior to starting the work we ordered sufficient additional staples as per the instructions with the gun.The gun performed fantastically throughout the entire project with no jams of misfires. The adjustable power was excellent allowing the staples to be fired into the 8mm slats to the correct depth. For the price paid this was a bargain and it proved itself to be so reliable and versatile making an arduous task much quicker and professional. I cannot recommend this product highly enough and it will be used on many other projects in the future.
@blusuperman100
@blusuperman100 4 жыл бұрын
My father has a HiKoki & is really happy with it. I have just ordered a Milwaukee after watching loads of reviews.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
nice
@sibbyd8743
@sibbyd8743 3 жыл бұрын
Best comparison video I've seen so far on cordless framing nailers. Thanks guys!
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@trulyhappy8855
@trulyhappy8855 3 жыл бұрын
Just found the channel. Great comps, great reviews and I really like the rating system used. Looking forward to building up my tool collection using useful info from you gents
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
thanks pal! love your support :D
@xavi9565
@xavi9565 4 жыл бұрын
New to the channel but this is awesome production, very informative, I'm yet to own my first nail gun and was leaning on the paslode just because seems like everyones got one and has to be for a reason, but now I'm considering more the Milwaukee, thanks guys
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
thanks xavi, glad to have another fan :D hope you've sub'd!
@Dazzafourfifty
@Dazzafourfifty 4 жыл бұрын
I have the Hikoki framer running the 36v multi volt battery platform and a Hikoki 15ga finish nailer, both are brilliant and perform well ! Love using them !
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
nice! Noting though that the multivolt batteries are both 18V and 36V, and that the nailers themselves are 18V.
@scotttrujillo363
@scotttrujillo363 4 жыл бұрын
Great video guys, thanks! I’m looking to buy and had a few questions and you have answered them. Cheers mates!!
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 4 жыл бұрын
I've had the HiKoki for a while now and love it. But I was going to buy a Milwaukee tomorrow so I am glad this review popped up because I don't think I'll bother now. Cheers guys for another great review.
@jethro1066
@jethro1066 4 жыл бұрын
Tools & Stuff what are your thoughts on the Airbow?
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
thanks pal! hey where are you from ? [Dwain]
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 4 жыл бұрын
@@OZToolTalk Auckland.
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 4 жыл бұрын
@@jethro1066 I don't see the point really. It's massive and you have to carry around a special compressor just for that nailer. I don't see why anyone would by that over a cordless nailer. To me it is an invention that has arrived 15 years too late.
@jethro1066
@jethro1066 4 жыл бұрын
Tools & Stuff interesting, I know we’ve chatted before and you made me cry about my hilti. I’m finally coming back to the land of the piss down. And was just wondering about a few tools. I’ve seen the prices for when I get home and they scare me, a little. So I was comprising a wish list in my head.nailer being one. Here’s one, do you ever use bumpfire?
@bartnettle
@bartnettle 4 жыл бұрын
Gen 3 is working great and a no brainer for me at the moment, though bunnings running a paslode framer and finisher for $1299
@petyt8
@petyt8 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent and thorough review as always guy’s! You should give the paslode im360ci a bash! Probably still not the best but I won’t change it for anything. A friend I work with went through two default framers in 8 months and went back to paslode but is now using that hikoki which is a nice tool but by hell is that belt hook annoying
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting thoughts
@Aladinscave
@Aladinscave 3 жыл бұрын
Dewalt is crap went through 2 in 6 months
@johnlandis5889
@johnlandis5889 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review guys!!!
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@cpt.hindsight
@cpt.hindsight 4 жыл бұрын
Great review! Thanks for also mention the noise level on your tools, thats the first thing I notice when buying tools. Gotta keep the noise down with tinnitus and sensitive to noises. Everyone should use earprotection, ask anyone with tinnitus.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
agreed!
@davek8386
@davek8386 4 жыл бұрын
Best damn tool reviews on the net! Well done boys bloody top work 🤘 really appreciate it. I'm getting a Hikoki in NZ this weekend.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave!
@kurt9055
@kurt9055 4 жыл бұрын
No bump fire on NZ models
@davek8386
@davek8386 4 жыл бұрын
@@kurt9055 yeah I'm fine with that. It would be nice to have but I never have to nail that fast anyways 😂
@novosib9017
@novosib9017 4 жыл бұрын
@@kurt9055 They made the decision for you, they dont want you to shoot your "Bubble buddy" ....what a kindergarten lol
@davek8386
@davek8386 4 жыл бұрын
Ok boys I lied 😂 just walked out of the tool shop with the Milwaukee
@joshblackmore1206
@joshblackmore1206 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve had my hikoki for over a year now. We work with a lot of hardwood doing renovations. It’s been great although it doesn’t skew nail that well. My bosses paslode is a headache. It’s fussy, high maintenance and lacks power. Blows my mind the paslode guns are so expensive. I’d hand nail everything over buying one 😂
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
cheers for the feedback Josh
@pauljackson5281
@pauljackson5281 3 жыл бұрын
Well presented and genuine. Really good. Following you guys. I have a paslode. It drives me crazy with missfires. Going to have a look at a new desalt at that price
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support Paul. Nice one :D
@michaeldahm214
@michaeldahm214 4 жыл бұрын
Great review. Very real world tests and comparisons
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
thanks Michael!
@ITubeTooInc
@ITubeTooInc 4 жыл бұрын
You nailed it guys!
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
haha :P
@mikewasowski1411
@mikewasowski1411 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid as usual boys
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike
@Christoph1888
@Christoph1888 3 жыл бұрын
The one Ive been hanging out for! Pity I've already bought one.
@dansheehy7415
@dansheehy7415 3 жыл бұрын
Hi guys. Great review, very thorough. I'm a carpenter and I've had the hikoki nailer for a couple of years. I really love it! I know fellas that have the DeWalt and paslode and they just don't compare in terms of power or speed or easy maintenance. Its so reliable, it works perfectly every single time and has never even jammed on me, even if it's left unused for months on end. You are right about the stupid rafter hook on it though, but hikoki do have a smaller hook, which is easily swapped out for that one and it's much nicer. I think the gun shuts off after like half an hour of non use but that doesn't really bother me.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
cheers Dan, nice feedback.
@freelikeaman960
@freelikeaman960 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, do you have the miss fire issue on your Hikoki nailer?
@josephine4611
@josephine4611 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent demonstration and reviews
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@benjaminromshak2921
@benjaminromshak2921 3 жыл бұрын
Love the Hikoki (Metabo HPT in the states) I will say that it would be nice to have the option to throw an extended magazine on it though
@Zodfsxx
@Zodfsxx 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent review guys. Got my Milwaukee here in UK paid £500 body only.. absolutely love it, went from Paslode, yes a bit heavyer but it's well worth it! for me is much better balanced than Paslode, no more regular maintenance no more gas canister..
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Nice
@mymate18
@mymate18 3 жыл бұрын
hows it holding up want to get one but heard they break?
@Zodfsxx
@Zodfsxx 3 жыл бұрын
@@mymate18 it's been excellent mate no missed fire or single jam I've done countless partition walls with it, using 90mm ring shank nails I find it strange that I have an extended magazine on it and it feels lighter and balanced, also using 2 amp battery. it's alot heavier than Paslode, but so powerful.. I have 2 Chippys working with me and they love using the gun! especially outside on cold days, I also have the new 18 gauge model absolutely beautiful as well. If you do get one I do recommend you to get extended magazine as well, well worth it!
@dragan3290
@dragan3290 4 жыл бұрын
The power of these guns are better than in the early 90s. Paslode never had that much power. Air hoses used to drive me nuts. I just bought dewalt framing gun and finishing! If I have to I can do a fit out with no noisy compressor! Love these vids!!!🙂🙂🙂👍
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
cheers mate
@MegaJay254
@MegaJay254 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the review!! Tks guys!!
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@davidkelly2660
@davidkelly2660 4 жыл бұрын
I've had the paslode since it came to Ireland in 1998 always a good fun , but I've always had issues over price of nails and constant servicing and I've been thinking of going battery . You've just made up my mind . All the rest of my gear is Milwaukee so I can just buy bare tool and case . BOOM ! save a fortune on nails alone , thanks
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback David. I hope it serves you very well!
@bannockchief
@bannockchief 4 жыл бұрын
I like my paslode, I use it for framing, sheathing, and siding when nails are appropriate. I use it year around, dirt, snow, rain, it works. Never had in issue with my new one for three years, but they do get grumpy when they get abused for a long time.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
good to hear Bannock!
@andyallan1897
@andyallan1897 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve had mine over 12 years. Serviced every year. Out kicks mates new paslode.
@TheNoodfood
@TheNoodfood 3 жыл бұрын
Loved my dewalt! Last about 5 years, new driver last year spent $300. Started playing up, not the spring kit, decided to get a milwaukee. At $529 in Australia, the dewalt is still a really good buy
@Dale37
@Dale37 4 жыл бұрын
I have ran a Paslode framing and finish nailer for five years now. I just got the Milwaukee 30 degree framing nailer and 18 gauge finish nailer and they are my go to now. The bump fire setting is all I use and wished the Paslode guns had it in the past. The Hitachi as it's called here in the U.S was a consideration but I already had Milwaukee tools.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Makes good sense Dale :D
@N1rOx
@N1rOx 4 жыл бұрын
it's called metabo hpt now in the US
@alessiomarin1218
@alessiomarin1218 3 ай бұрын
I have only ever used Paslode and Hikoki when doing work experience with carpenters. I'm attracted to the battery guns, particularly the Milwaukee one simply because it's narrower around the body than the Hikoki or indeed the Paslode, and I've been in situations before where the clunkiness and general size of the gun presents clearance problems. That being said, I've also had to skew nails at times and found it harder to do with battery guns than with Paslode ones due to how they're designed. The Milwaukee is a lot cheaper without even considering the cost of fuel cells, and Milwaukee is a platform I'd use for more specific tools such as impact wrenches or SDS drills. It's a pity Makita, one of the more commonly used tool brands in carpentry, don't make very many good nailers if any at all. Not shitting on Makita, but their speciality is just not in nail guns. It's more in saws, planers, impact drivers, drills, etc...
@Mattt1527
@Mattt1527 4 жыл бұрын
I like the paslode for doing the roof and little things but air for the rest. Paslode I can also clean and service myself.
@zaneh6224
@zaneh6224 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, I have had my Paslode framers for many years, they have served me well, ultra reliable, easy to service myself,
@Patrick-857
@Patrick-857 3 жыл бұрын
@@zaneh6224 The only problem I ever have with my Paslode is sometimes it starts dry firing because the follower in the magazine sticks. I believe its caused by the glue on the nails, so cleaning helps. Other than that it is extremely reliable.
@matthewevans7382
@matthewevans7382 4 жыл бұрын
Advice needed please. Love the channel, I love DIY and I’m in the middle of renovating a property. I need to erect feather board fencing around the perimeter of the garden. I currently have 18 & 16 gauge nailers. I’m guessing these are too lightweight to attach the boards. What nailer type / nail length would you recommend? Thanks in advance
@thetallcarpenter
@thetallcarpenter 3 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. As much as the non gas nailers are reliable and powerful, I've never gone over to them purely based on their additional weight and bulkyness compared to the Paslode. I can fire a couple if thousand nails a day when roofing on a big job, and the extra weight is punishing on your wrist/arms. Its not usual to machine fun nails in like in your tests, so I don't find the Paslode wanting in that regard. You've just got to keep the thing clean. Cheers from the UK.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
yep I can absolutely see this position. I thought in retrospect that we probably weighted too heavily towards speed...
@yewenjin6532
@yewenjin6532 7 ай бұрын
You need a hammer with Pasload. 😂
@messenger8279
@messenger8279 3 жыл бұрын
Great review. I have owned a Paslode for many years and without a doubt its the most unreliable and frustrating tool i have ever owned. Many times i've wanted to smash the bloody thing. Doesn't matter how many times you clean it either. That's a poor excuse as i see it ,for a tool that lacks power and is so unreliable. My next will be Hikoki.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@LongRangeRifleSystem
@LongRangeRifleSystem 3 жыл бұрын
Hikoki is great in many areas. But my god the belt hook is awful & the weight can sometimes make life hard. But out the 4 it is my choice (haven’t used milwaukee)
@messenger8279
@messenger8279 3 жыл бұрын
@@LongRangeRifleSystem Just waiting for mine to arrive. I am hoping I can change that hook to something smaller.
@histguy101
@histguy101 2 жыл бұрын
@@LongRangeRifleSystem Do you mean the rafter hook?
@LongRangeRifleSystem
@LongRangeRifleSystem 2 жыл бұрын
@@histguy101 yeah, it swivels around to become the rafter hook, but as a belt hook it’s too loose
@rahabsong899
@rahabsong899 3 жыл бұрын
감사합니다! Thanks!!
@rickyjackson4633
@rickyjackson4633 4 ай бұрын
Wish I'd have watched this a few years ago I got the dewalt and have recently moved to Milwaukee and its night and day the Milwaukee is absolutely brilliant I only wish I'd gone milwaukee the first time
@danielford7377
@danielford7377 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding scientific review. Thanks so much.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure! thanks Daniel!
@MikeS92
@MikeS92 3 жыл бұрын
Great video guys just ordered a milwaukee to replace my broken paslode
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
hope you like it!
@joseangeles375
@joseangeles375 4 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks guys 👋🏻👍
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@jel5034
@jel5034 3 жыл бұрын
Been looking for a while now and I'm in two minds between the Paslode and the Dewalt. Probably go with Dewalt as i have 3 x 5 and 2 x 9amp batteries. We in the UK are being ripped off big time if that's what you guys are paying, so cheap. Also, can't believe i've just listened to 2 Aussies for 28 mins and there was only one swear word!! Good work fellas, all the best from the motherland.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Jel! Haha :D
@ryanmurphy007
@ryanmurphy007 4 жыл бұрын
ive had the hikokis for a while now. little on the heavy size but you get used to it. the hook is rubbish but if ur niffty its easy to modify. theres some after market ones on ebay. i could never understand why a passy gas cost $18. absolute bullshit. glad to see some good competition out there now. nice video boys.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
thanks Ryan
@jrelectrician4387
@jrelectrician4387 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU FOR THE INFO 👍🏼✌🏼🍺
@DoesntHurtYet
@DoesntHurtYet 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you mentioned the weight. The milwaukee is the heaviest of these guns by far, it's very noticeably heavier. Even with the 3 amp batteries that come in kits
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
well unfortunately the 3Ah batts in the kit or basically the same weight as a 4/5/6Ah battery. to reduce the weight you need a slim battery.
@DoesntHurtYet
@DoesntHurtYet 4 жыл бұрын
@@OZToolTalk good point, after looking it up it's about an 80 gram drop for the 3amp high output vs a 30gram increase to the 5amp original battery so i suppose it's less relevant than i implied. Overestimated the weight of the lith-ion cells
@joshuaware3304
@joshuaware3304 3 жыл бұрын
Oh by farrrrrr yeah cuz a few ounces must feel like poundsssss. Go lift some weights hater
@christopherlee622
@christopherlee622 3 жыл бұрын
This is a really good review, it should be mentioned that no manufacturer designs these as primary guns so if you use them that way service requirements do go up a bit
@ashmayer2916
@ashmayer2916 3 жыл бұрын
Paslode are designed as primary guns,Paslode has shot counters that top out at 1.6million shots but the guns keep going regardless-not one of the other brands can make that statement.
@christopherlee622
@christopherlee622 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashmayer2916 I would believe that, they get used that way for sure. I was just lumping them in with the design focus of the other guns, and must admit I haven't looked into the paslode design focus for myself. I have heard it from every other company rep though that their gun is meant as a backup
@HotForgeChaos
@HotForgeChaos 4 жыл бұрын
Kind of glad I went with the Wilfuckyee nailer now. We don't get them as kits in NZ (or at least not that I know of) but I just got the skin on sale for $750 retail. I already have a pair of 5 amp batteries so that's no issue for me. I was looking at older second hand Paslodes but again thank christ I didn't get one. I'm not a chippie by any stretch of the imagination, but I do the odd construction project here and there so this looks like it'll do the job just fine.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
nice Reflex.
@ianbracewell2142
@ianbracewell2142 3 жыл бұрын
great review
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
thanks Ian
@velociraptor5962
@velociraptor5962 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is where Total Tools got the sound effects for their radio add. haha
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
haha we wish *royalties!
@CharlySwitzy
@CharlySwitzy 4 жыл бұрын
Love the Hikoki, have one and don't mind the weight. My only wish is that the tip was a little more aggressive, like the paslodes. The same can be said for the Milwaukee, would benefit from an agressive tip. I wonder if it can be purchased as an aftermarket/upgrade part?
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Don't think so, I wonder if they could be work a bit?
@joes2318
@joes2318 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Skew nailing with those small tips is a bit annoying.
@CapitanGnar
@CapitanGnar 4 жыл бұрын
I literally sharpened up the tip of my hikoki framer during my lunch on Wednesday and it is MUCH better now. Skewing nails has never been easier.
@chaseme9860
@chaseme9860 3 жыл бұрын
I've used my Paslode for over 20 years.
@tyler5734
@tyler5734 4 жыл бұрын
Hikoki rafter hook can just be changed to the finishing nailer rafter/tool belt hook changes the gun alot in feel
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
agreed, that's what we did.
@starlsdd6278
@starlsdd6278 3 жыл бұрын
Some of these guns can be finished?? That would be a godsend for me. I'm a woman that wants to finish my house correctly like a work of art. I even bought a nice router and table and bought $50 more a special bits. Feeling the Box because I have to learn quite a bit. I really appreciate all of your expert opinions I've bought a lot of Sears Craftsman products before. They do stand by their products not sure I'm sure can power tools. I would like to build things other than finish my home to make money at home. Like dog houses with special needs. I would like to take Consignments from people by looking at their home and their lifestyle with their dogs or whatever kind of pet they have.
@borisjohnson6809
@borisjohnson6809 3 жыл бұрын
Hikoki wins it for me. Had mine for a year and love it. Great gun.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
nice!
@bigglilwayne7050
@bigglilwayne7050 3 жыл бұрын
Way too heavy for me, the Paslode is way lighter
@Wackywoodworks
@Wackywoodworks 4 жыл бұрын
I love my Hitachi/Hikoki I also have the brader as well... They haven't skipped a beat and just works when I want it to work. (I also have the AEG Brad nailers and prefer the Hitachi one over them) The weight you point out doesn't bother me and haven't really noticed it... My rafter hook isn't that big like the one you got... ? My "father in Law" been a builder for 50 odd years... and a Paslode user for years is seriously thinking of switching to Hitachi/Hikok after using mine for a while...
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 4 жыл бұрын
We seemed to get smaller hooks on the nailers in NZ for some reason.
@anthonyschmocker8751
@anthonyschmocker8751 4 жыл бұрын
best review to date..........nough said
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate 👍🏼
@dyc9124
@dyc9124 4 жыл бұрын
I have the 3.5" framer and 18g brad from metabo HPT (hikoki) they are both great
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@hendrixcrossan9104
@hendrixcrossan9104 3 жыл бұрын
I'm doing my apprenticeship for a framing company. We build the frames lying down and stand them when finished framing. We use Milwaukee, paslodes and air compressor. Id say the milwauke is the fastest building frames due to its rapid fire. The air compressor can be just as fast if not faster but you have to pull the trigger each nail. Just have to be trigger happy. But for standing and nailing frames together prefer paslode as its so light and great at skewing nails. Prefer paslode for everything other than building frames due to its size and weight.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
absolutely understand that sentiment! thanks for your thoughts!
@ccb3313
@ccb3313 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a dewalt user always have been but everyone I know with a paslode talks about it as if it’s made of solid gold I’ll tell you what after watching this I think I’ll stick to what I’ve got I might even show it to them next time they slag off me tools haha
@mickquaid7709
@mickquaid7709 4 жыл бұрын
Hikoki have released a new spring which makes it wayyy softer so you don’t have to use so much force and genuinely makes the gun seem lighter now
@joshstevens9577
@joshstevens9577 4 жыл бұрын
Mick Quaid really? Where do you buy?
@tehsheik
@tehsheik 3 жыл бұрын
I'd also like to buy this
@arianaandjamesrabanaleslop9053
@arianaandjamesrabanaleslop9053 3 жыл бұрын
What's the model # for kit or bare tool
@arianaandjamesrabanaleslop9053
@arianaandjamesrabanaleslop9053 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have the model # for kit o bare tool
@arianaandjamesrabanaleslop9053
@arianaandjamesrabanaleslop9053 3 жыл бұрын
@@joshstevens9577 do you have the model number for the kit o bare tool..
@OneIdeaTooMany
@OneIdeaTooMany 2 жыл бұрын
Love the hikoki framing and finishing guns. I use them with a battery adaptor so I can use my Makita batteries since I don't use them often enough to warrant a hikoki charging station and batteries, but I'm also quite lazy.
@unicopropertygroup5045
@unicopropertygroup5045 2 жыл бұрын
would you mind sending me to the right direction in finding the same adapter please?
@georgerobinson9110
@georgerobinson9110 2 жыл бұрын
Can you please send me the link to get the adapter please?
@ITubeTooInc
@ITubeTooInc 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. So what's the difference between the gen 1, 2, and 3 of the Dewalt DCN692? And how do you tell the difference between the different generations in the store/online if they are all named the same?
@jrsuk1170
@jrsuk1170 4 жыл бұрын
It says type 3 on the body. Only the type 3 is any good.
@mickt4882
@mickt4882 4 жыл бұрын
Gen 3 has the speed and feed switch on the base of the gun below the handgrip. Gen 2 has the switch’s on side up top above the hand grip. Also the price, gen 3 presently only one selling for 529 as a kit.
@zackfishle1009
@zackfishle1009 4 жыл бұрын
@@jrsuk1170 Dewalt will upgrade the item without changing the model number, just the 'type'
@saildulcinea
@saildulcinea 3 жыл бұрын
As a plumber I agree with your comment at the end of the video. I had a paslode and as used it in infrequently the gas had either leaked or was off and the thing never worked properly. Bought a DeWalt nailer and never looked back, several thousand nails through it and never missed a beat. And you don't go freaking deaf with it either, damn paslode are LOUD! I hate sites where the builder is using a paslode.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
yep i feel ya on this...
@djackson93
@djackson93 3 жыл бұрын
What's your thoughts on the milwaukee now its been out for a while? I've talked to total tools and they are having plenty come back. With them playing up. (Mostly due to running out of nitrogen) Just wondering whether you will be doing another review with the new paslode out and talk about reliability of these framers?
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dean. Excellent question, that I'm afraid won't have a good answer. Reliability is REALLY hard to speak to on a public forum. We can't get hold of return rates and couldn't back up anything we said with any evidence. I'm sure there are plenty of Milwaukee's in for repair, but I also know that they sold the living shit out of them. With higher sales comes higher returns.
@TheCartoons4you
@TheCartoons4you 3 жыл бұрын
Just got a brand new Paslode for $329.00 at Home Depot. Just a FYI. Gas was like $14.00 for 2 cans which lasts roughly 2k nails. Love it :)
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
being Australian, we of course give ozzie prices :D
@TheCartoons4you
@TheCartoons4you 3 жыл бұрын
@@OZToolTalk I am more or less helping the Americans out :) Sorry mate.
@zaneh6224
@zaneh6224 4 жыл бұрын
Milwalkee also has an optional extended capacity magazine, it holds 93 nails, Hikoki has 6 year warranty Milwaukee 3 years, Hikoki comes with better higher capacity batteries, they also have redemptions on at the moment to get free batteries etc, Milwaukee don't, I am considering to Hikoki over the Milwaukee as guys I know have them and love em.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
yep all that info was presented in the video :) (except the redemptions as that is locally specific)
@AndrewBrowner
@AndrewBrowner 4 жыл бұрын
just checked milwuakee with battery (5.0) and charger is 649$ at homedepot in canada and without a doubt could be found a tad cheaper but homedepot is a good baseline in north america i think the two 3.0s would suffice for running the nailer if you didnt have many or any other m18 tools by the time you shoot through one 3.0 the other would be charged only what a 40min charge time on basic charger for a 3.0
@shifty277
@shifty277 4 жыл бұрын
It's without doubt the battery mailers are the future they just need to carry on the engineering and research to bring the weight of all the components down. Right now there could be quite a few framers around the world that are not keen on the weight of the new battery nailers and the gas or air nailers they are happy with for the majority of the time Great comparison and video love the overlays you do where you have the video in the corner of you guys phenomenal comparison as always
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
thanks heaps Ryan! We agree totally :D
@MrJimmyXu
@MrJimmyXu 4 жыл бұрын
I use Hikoki and I loved it, maybe Milwaukee a little better, but the price of it in New Zealand very expensive.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Enjoy !
@customoutdoors8376
@customoutdoors8376 4 жыл бұрын
I'm the same, use hikoki in New Zealand and have done for just over a year now
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 4 жыл бұрын
The Milwaukee and Hikoki are the same price at the toolshed at the moment.
@sylvainjullien188
@sylvainjullien188 Жыл бұрын
great review though I still can't figure out which one I want! 🤣
@jimcraiggeezer
@jimcraiggeezer 4 жыл бұрын
I had the paslode for over 20 years.. Same gun.. Serviced it regularly myself.. Finally shit itself a couple of years ago and I bought the Hitachi.. Loved the paslode but compared to the Hitachi its not as good.. The Hitachi for me is a great tool... Apart from the rafter hook.. Cheers.
@FixthisCD
@FixthisCD 4 жыл бұрын
you can order the hook that is on the trim gun (smaller hook)
@zackfishle1009
@zackfishle1009 4 жыл бұрын
20 years is a damn good run for a cordless tool. Thanks for sharing.
@whitacrebespoke
@whitacrebespoke 4 жыл бұрын
I had exactly the same issues with my paslodes. The were great for 5 years then issues crept in I brought a hitachi wouldn’t go back to any gas gun now
@68cristian
@68cristian 4 жыл бұрын
hi guys, I bought the dewalt framer 692) on your advice after watching this vid three weeks ago - cheers for the vid. after initialy working really well (started today) using 50mm nails, it will now only fire the 75mm nails, refusing to fire the 50mm ones. Ive read the manual, done everything in trouble shooting guide. It is not a blockage, it just now refuses to fire the 50mm nails. is this a common issue? am I doing someting wrong? I cant find any advice online as this is a new bit of kit.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
hmm that's weird. I don't use 50mm nails much, but haven't had an issue with them. Gonna have to give Dewalt a call soz.
@keirwilliamson1274
@keirwilliamson1274 5 ай бұрын
Just bought the hikoki 425 quid in UK came with 3 x 18A36 MV Battery Packs and case
@kirkweaver6721
@kirkweaver6721 3 жыл бұрын
Hey guys I have to ask what were the depth adjustments you had on the guns? cause I have noticed about any proudness of the guns shooting nails, I used paslode fairly commonly for a while before I switched to the MIlwaukee and use the paslode for a backup .. but my paslode very very rarely shoots nails proud, skewing or straight down ? I mean every one has their own settings on the guns, I havent got mine maxed out so Im just curious to know about the guns depth settings? I love the Milwaukee and the paslode, both are amazing guns in their own right , MIlwaukee is great for the raw power it has and no gas of course, Paslode i like for the lightness mostly , I would love to see milwaukee and other brands somehow reduce the weight in future designs .... I think it be awesome to see paslode bring out a gasless range eventually, I mean gas guns are good , but eventually will be no longer wanted.... and since other companies are bring out gasless framers out , I mean paslode will soon be out gunned in the market what are your thoughts about that, do you think be cool to see paslode bring out a gasless (battery only) range in the not to distant future? and maybe competitor brands bring out a lighter weight model as well while doing their best to maintain as much power as they can ?
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's only a matter of time before Paslode bring out a battery-only nailer. I think Paslode punches the nails VERY hard initially, but starts to leave them proud as you use it in quick succession (at least in our findings). All nailers were definitely at their max depth setting.
@TheMingilator
@TheMingilator 4 жыл бұрын
I got the dewalt in the UK as a bare unit with 10% off from screwfix (bought a drill with a battery and got 10% off any bare tool) for £225, its at least as good as my pneumatic with a full compressor tank and better when the tank is low, as for weight, the dewalt wins hands down when you consider trailing a hose behind the gun, doesnt have the same nail capacity but no issue there, yeah the ramp up is a pain, I cant see why they couldn't have a mode where the flywheel was always run up but still needed the tip seated and a trigger pull to fire, one other thing, bumpfire is as agood as uselss with 90mm nails, always leaves the head sticking out, 50mm and 75mm, no problem!
@adamspiller4842
@adamspiller4842 3 жыл бұрын
I would buy the Milwaukee, I have a paslode at the moment and the gas is a pain, I’ve used the Hikoki and it’s much faster than the paslode. but quite heavy.
@lena19191
@lena19191 4 жыл бұрын
Put the Max gas framer in the mix too ...one of my favourite gas gun due to its longer nose , happy to loan mine
@mikeott6756
@mikeott6756 4 жыл бұрын
Too late sorry, shes all done and wrapped, i have heard god things about the max though, we sold them years ago at Mitre10
@jamestutt2678
@jamestutt2678 4 жыл бұрын
@@mikeott6756 how do i find you on instagram mike
@NRK1988
@NRK1988 4 жыл бұрын
Built the same as pasload just a different battery same as the Makita framer
@dannyrascalmusic
@dannyrascalmusic 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve got the Milwaukee, I run a 3ah hi output battery, it reduces the weight by quite a lot... it’s still heavy compared to my Paslode, but for 80% of what I do it’s definitely the better gun.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
common feedback Danny :D
@LensCapJB
@LensCapJB 4 жыл бұрын
Thx lads. Think you guys really under stated how annoying the ramp up is. Also the Milwaukee sounds way too heavy.
@mattymanderson9453
@mattymanderson9453 4 жыл бұрын
If all 4 were used equally for a year and the same tests were done then, do you think the results would the same? I guess durability could be a big factor for people looking to buy.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
that's the million dollar question. unfortunately we can't answer it :/
@wadegambetta7846
@wadegambetta7846 4 жыл бұрын
It all depends on the gun I have a paslode and love it wouldn’t change from paslode but one of the bloke I work with had issues with his so bought a Hikoki has had it about 2 months and it’s shit it self already and another bloke loves hikoki has all there cordless stuff and just bought a hikoki cordless dropsaw and he said he wouldn’t get the nailer
@benjaminromshak2921
@benjaminromshak2921 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been running the Hikoki Frammer for almost a year..zero issues and the thing gets used daily
@feellikemusic1725
@feellikemusic1725 3 жыл бұрын
Don't buy a DeWalt one if you want to talk more with the DeWalt customer service than with your wife....
@dangeddes855
@dangeddes855 3 жыл бұрын
The Hikoki will fuck up after 6 months in the UK 4 guys bought the gun within 6 months of each other all different models all have the same problem of misfiring. The spring which pushes the nails up after a shot is just not strong enough this means you have to push the nails up after every shot. Consistent problem throughout different models. I wouldn't recommend the Hikoki to anyone
@JimTom.
@JimTom. 4 жыл бұрын
I have the Hikoki, very well built great power, but its very difficult skewing nails in nogs and studs, sometimes you cant get the angle steep enough, plus the weight and bulkiness of it is a huge pain. Every now and then i get an episode of constant misfires which aggravates the shit out of me as it can be all day, ive thrown it off the ladder several times now. The Paslode is the perfect weight, size and shape, if they release one exactly like it with battery only, it would be PERFECT
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for the feedback Jimmy
@douglasashby4349
@douglasashby4349 Жыл бұрын
Yes agree fully
@caelanpitts5507
@caelanpitts5507 4 жыл бұрын
I feel hikoki and Milwaukee is a similar obviously Milwaukee touch more power but is that extra power needed for another 300grams?
@zackfishle1009
@zackfishle1009 4 жыл бұрын
Milwaukee seems to be the newest generation to me.
@sonofajewishcarpenter9041
@sonofajewishcarpenter9041 4 жыл бұрын
i have a couple of of delwalt guns the gen 3 is a great gun but the rafter hook kills me on it i don’t know why they changed it from the gen 1,2 it has fallen off my nail bag when i’ve been on the roof twice now surprisly the gun still works no problem. but my favourite gun i own would be my gen 1 that has a gen 3 motor in it! gave up on paslodes a few years ago and haven’t looked back i save $150 on nails a week and less missfiring
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Wow interesting comment! $150 a week!!! [Dwain]
@bencannizzaro94
@bencannizzaro94 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a technician at a tool retailer in Melbourne Best guns in my opinion is 1. Paslode- light easy to work on, easy diagnosis and overall the best framing gun. 2. Dewalt- all mechanical and a simple design thats reliable. ( shoots a little slow ) 3. Hikoki- heavy, powerful, but I see these the most for failure and warranty returns, full of electronics and can be hard to diagnose. Milwaukee is a new unit, have not delt with them as much, but I do think it will overtake hikoki in the coming months.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Love the feedback ben!!
@lamdog24
@lamdog24 2 жыл бұрын
Any update since you made this comment, Ben?
@troysgt
@troysgt 3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@harrykeeling7125
@harrykeeling7125 2 жыл бұрын
I keep 2 guns in my Ute.. paslode and hikoki, paslode for pine and hikoki for when I’m working with hardwood. Never have any issues
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 2 жыл бұрын
nice Harry
@patmaloney5735
@patmaloney5735 3 жыл бұрын
did you guys adjust the paslode nose piece. ive used the alot and they bury nails. I have to adjust the nose because im in formwork and we pull all our nails
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
yep, was on full power. It hits hard when used intermittently, but struggles if you try to use it quickly over and over.
@dchh2872
@dchh2872 3 жыл бұрын
As a DIY I have a non branded gas nailer from the Toolshed in NZ. it hasn't been that great, purchased to build a fence, hated the gas so was looking at the Dewalt, (dare I say it in this fourm I have the Ryobi Crown stapler and finish nailers- and yes builders around home have used them rather than drag out there compressor for small jobs) so I started to do research and came across a couple of videos with the Milwaukee, and quickly changed direct, sure its more expensive, but I think I'll go down the Milwaukee track, my only concern is the 3ah batteries in the kit.
@rowanmiller6679
@rowanmiller6679 3 жыл бұрын
I currently run a Bostitch air framing gun, looking to switch up, but it seems like no option is perfect. With air I obviously have a hose and annoying compressor to cart around, but it's reliable AF and hella powerful. It seems that every Paslode used by a member of my crew has some issue or other - "finnicky" is right. With the battery-only options, it seems like the more powerful and reliable you go, you're also going more expensive, and substantially heavier. What's a scrawny carpenter to do?
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
yep no solution is perfect, hit the nail on the head there pal. [Dwain]
@cameroncrane3770
@cameroncrane3770 4 жыл бұрын
I bought the Hitachi a while ago before Milwaukee talked about releasing theirs. But now I think I'll buy one of those too since I'm more on their battery platform and I want the longer magazine.
@william38022
@william38022 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never used one of these before however I am thinking about purchasing one to replace my entire back wall in the kitchen where the back door is,,,, I noticed these things shoots a nail a little below the surface of the wood sometimes is this the way they are supposed to function??? is it OK to have the nails a little below the surface of the wood???
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
nails SHOULD be sunk below the surface. in framing even up to 10mm is fine. in finish work the brad nails should also be left a couple of mm below surface.
@Lakenbeer
@Lakenbeer 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know about all the nail guns but the paslode has an adjustment on the nose where you can set how far you want to set the nail in
@kirkweaver6721
@kirkweaver6721 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for the review guys, been looking in to a new framer, helps to see australian reviews as im an aussie chippie .. recently started changing from makita to the milwaukee platform , been wanting a fairly thorough review of the milwaukee framer, as well as a comparison to other framers, safe to say my mnd is made up and will go out and buy the milwaukee, ive been using the paslodes since day one, but im bit over the upkeep costs and having to replace gas and stuff, i want a nailer that only needs the battery and nails, since you guys did this head to head has there been any longevity issues with the milwaukee at all ?
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
not so far Kirk, but it hasn't put up any houses either
@kirkweaver6721
@kirkweaver6721 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome , well most of my jobs are renovations, I did new builds when I was an apprentice but they got pretty boring , same thing basically every job. Renovations are where I like the job more , a lot more creativety and imagination is involved, another reason I want to get the Milwaukee as the Paslode doesn’t shoot into old hardwood very well which I deal with on a regular basis , so it be nice to have a framer that punches the nails in all the way How many nails will I get out of 1 battery ... the kits come with two 3.0amp batteries but what will I get out of them and what will I get out of the 5’s which are basically the only size Milwaukee battery I have so far
@cameronscott4392
@cameronscott4392 3 жыл бұрын
Hey guys , you might of missed pointing out that the Paslode shoots 9,000 shots per charge, and is the only framer on the market that shoots 50 and 65mm dekfast and cladfast nails and from a maintenance view, I maintain my gun over a beer (very simple) I have owned Pazzzys for 25 years and wouldn’t change as all these tools are not tried and tested over a long period
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
but battery charge yes, but not even close to that for the fuel cell. you have two power sources to manage, which is a slight negative to the Paslode. That's an interesting point about the dekfast and cladfast products (both Paslode proprietary). Are there similar products that will work in the battery nailers?
@cameronscott4392
@cameronscott4392 3 жыл бұрын
The nails mentioned only suit Paslode as they are an impulse product and come supplied with gas fuel cells , I haven’t seen any other brands with this product, but the way my current Paslode framer has fired 1.3 million shots, cheers
@iCRSMMO
@iCRSMMO 4 жыл бұрын
Please do this with the same guns but the finishing versions :D
@christopherlee622
@christopherlee622 3 жыл бұрын
Just don't get the paslode cordless finishing nailer the electronics are poorly designed and it breaks often, their framer and pneumatic tools are good
@garethheathcote4988
@garethheathcote4988 3 жыл бұрын
@@christopherlee622 the problem we have with the paslodes here in the UK are that they refuse to fire when it's cold as the gas doesn't like it. I recently bought the Milwaukee, I could have got the hikoki twin kit for only a little more money but I liked the look of the Milwaukee.
@christopherlee622
@christopherlee622 3 жыл бұрын
@@garethheathcote4988 yeah we run into that here in Alberta Canada as well, and the milwaukee as well as the hikoki both do a good job of dealing with this. I sell three of these guns at my job and get reviews back from direct and continuous use in the field. my comment on the finish nailer was more from a service perspective, where the design does cause the gun to break more often. the hikoki is the first to really unseat the paslode in regular use though even with the problems in the cold
@jamesbailand4311
@jamesbailand4311 4 жыл бұрын
I've ran Paslode, and now run the Hikoki. There is no weight issue as far as I am concerned. The only issue it's got is the positioning of the controls and the ridiculously shite belt/rafter hook. Great round up as always fellas. 🤙
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers James
@fr8train539
@fr8train539 3 жыл бұрын
I've had 2 Dewalt framers previous generation and neither have lasted very long before only shooting nails in halfway. Hopefully the gen 3 lasts. But ill stick with the Milwaukee
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
hope you have better luck going forward now
@fr8train539
@fr8train539 3 жыл бұрын
@@OZToolTalk keep me updated how yours holds up. Hopefully its keeps on pounding em in
@user-ve9cs7ee6x
@user-ve9cs7ee6x Жыл бұрын
I've had the hikoki framer for a couple of years now. Great power & shoots quickly, but anybody who owns one of these framers and uses them regularly will tell you 2 things: 1. The hook is annoying as anything. 2. It misfires. The hikokis have a tendency to misfire if you use any nails aside from paslode nails in them. Furthermore they have feeding issues which prevent smooth operation. I'm considering buying a paslode next.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk Жыл бұрын
thanks for the feedback T7 :D
@billweir3919
@billweir3919 4 жыл бұрын
Will the milwaukee or hikoki shoot 2 1/2" (60-65mm?) into sheathing without overdriving?
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
Mmm, I wish we had tested this. Meant to .... 😬
@justjacked8189
@justjacked8189 3 жыл бұрын
Over here in Canada our prices are way closer. The Dewalt kit is $499 The Metabo kit is $579 Milwaukee kit is $678 Paslode kit is $629 I have used the Dewalts for years now. The batteries dont like the cold and are ridiculously priced. I have also used Paslode and would never buy one unless they go gasless with better batteries. I have never used the Metabo but I do like there air tools alot. The Milwaukee for me is the best gun and the batteries are better priced and can handle the cold way better.
@wayneneale1129
@wayneneale1129 4 жыл бұрын
Parslow are the best nail guns handsdown they wear well they durable i’m not too sure where you had the depth gauge set on the Parslow but I’ve never had that problem before as much as you guys did cheers
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 4 жыл бұрын
we had the depth gauge on full power for both paslode guns we tested. i think our testing was harder on the guns because there would usually be more breaks between firing into HW on most sites. [Dwain]
@MrBigbobsbeans
@MrBigbobsbeans 4 жыл бұрын
My boss had a Paslode and I’ve got the Hitachi, in Nz timber the paslode leaves 10mm proud, Hitachi drives it flush. He’s got the hitchi now, no more messing with gas, the smell and the noise.
@bhangraboyin
@bhangraboyin 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats HiKoki
@JanvanDeBoerka
@JanvanDeBoerka 3 жыл бұрын
Walt
@HenningJohansen
@HenningJohansen 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, however, I think I would have put a bit more emphasis on the fact that the Milwaukee can 'optionally' hold twice as many nails as the others.
@OZToolTalk
@OZToolTalk 3 жыл бұрын
Did we mention it at all? I can't remember. I don't think it would have played strongly into scoring, but it's important for some people.
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