P2837 and P287B 2012-2018 Ford Focus (& Fiesta) With DPS6 Transmission: Common Issues

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2 жыл бұрын

This video is a continuation of my series on the 2012-2018 Ford Focus common issue. In this video I go over, what I have seen as, the most common point of failure inside of the DPS6 transmission. The point of failure is a broken shift drum locating tab inside of the transmission case. (I think the proper term what I am calling a locating tab is a stop.) This locating tab is just behind the upper shift drum. This tab is much smaller than the locating tab on the lower shift drum. I also go into a procedure that I came up with to help get a better "feel" or "understanding" of what is wrong with the inside of the gear box before it has to be taken apart. I also go into how I personally like to repair a transmission with this particular failure.
As mentioned in the video codes P2837 and or P287B should be set in the TCM when this problem occurs. You should experience an SES lamp on.
Typically just a transmission case half will be needed. Of course all the one time use parts required for this repair will be needed too. The rest of the transmission should be thoroughly cleaned and inspected. Replace additional parts as needed.
The use of a repair manual is a must when diagnosing and repairing this transmission. Do not use this video as a repair manual....I'm simply sharing my experience with you and giving you a tool to help in this video.
Note: The 6.5 turns and 4.5 turns on the clock gears from stop to stop, mentioned in the video, is approximate.
***Also it is entirely possible that a faulty TCM could be the cause of these codes. However, I have yet to see a TCM fail in this particular way.
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@vittaveve1939 2 жыл бұрын

This guy is the best explainer of things ever lol. He gone have me talking to my mechanic like I’m the expert 🤓

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the complement!

@dmncgmz 11 ай бұрын

Thanks man. I've been having so many issues with my transmission and don't want to replace it. You're right though, they are very durable and the learning feature is awesome. Thanks again

@elhehe8476 2 жыл бұрын

Dealership tech here, I’m sitting on at least 15 Focus and Fiestas that need TCMs :( these suckers are on back order and have been since the longest. Surprisingly enough though this issue isn’t as common. I’ve done a handful of case replacements for this concern. But not as often as the shudder on acceleration. Nonetheless I love these little cars. 7 years of consistent workflow because of these. Thank you Ford.

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 жыл бұрын

I love them too! I'd own one. You can't beat the fuel economy. If ever the opportunity arises, for the right price, I'm gonna have to jump at it. So easy to work on.....when parts are available.

@ghurabapeople 2 жыл бұрын

Hey buddy thanks for the amazing explanation. I've a 2012 focus that is throwing in p2831, p2832 and p287b at the same time. Got it diagnosed by the dealer they tried pinpoint test and tcm adaptive learning three times and it failed. Checked for tsb/ssb found none. Car is in limp mode, and i can definitely hear some clanks/grinds within the tranny when shifting in limp mode. Also, previously during winter i had a p090c actuator circuit B low code coming in, which after changing actuators remained but went away as soon as summer kicked in. I'm tight on budget, and hence would you recommend changing the tcm first like the dealers recommended (not to mention there's a huge part backorder), or just remove the tranny for inspection. The new codes suggest it's the case half, but the previous issue during the cold hints towards a bad tcm too or maybe a battery issue?. Do you think i should have the tcm taken off and check the clock gears? I don't know where to begin. Would really appreciate your feedback.

@waldecyrodrigues7359 Жыл бұрын

Tks buddy , you teacher very well .

@juanambriz9231 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

@BarboursAutoHelp 5 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

@benjaminkline4855 2 жыл бұрын

If only someone made an aftermarket control module with a stepper motor that counts turns and doesn't rely on repeated hard stop calibration

@JonDoe-007 2 жыл бұрын

Is there a video somewhere explaining the process of reshimming differential? Would lt be the same procedure as other transmissions?

@BrandonSL500 9 ай бұрын

What is a good repair manual that you recommend getting? Appreciate all your detailed videos.

@Jleofam33 2 жыл бұрын

I have codes P2872, P70A3 would this be the problem? Car will drive but transmission over heat on display and slipping. I was going to change the clutch. Removing transmission tomorrow. Sure wouldn’t hurt to do the upper gear test though.

@steveguest8028 11 ай бұрын

Great video

@BarboursAutoHelp 11 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@unknownuser4263 3 ай бұрын

@Barbour’s Auto Help. I have 2018 ford focus with these same codes and only 93k miles. Am I just better off replacing the whole transmission and do clutch on it? Or is there some troubleshooting I can follow before throwing money at it.

@Thunderroad8517 9 ай бұрын

Is that 6.5 and 4.5 full turns of the gears. I have a 013 fiesta that the shift drum won’t relearn in the adaptive relearn procedure. I also have p2832 A and p287b A not learned. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance .

@brownb65 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2018 ford fiesta and when I slow to turn onto my daughter's road, it is a slight hill and the transmission acts like it has a delay in shifting

@garrieparsons2265 Жыл бұрын

I think I’ve just successfully ruined my trans moving the forks in my 2012 Ford Focus I was winding in and out the forks to try free up stuck open position sensor a .. the screw that’s on the fork came out and the fork no longer springs back after rotating anticlockwise .. it changes in all gears but won’t go in top gear now .. other than that it’s working ok but I’m sure it will over hear if it doesn’t go in all gears properly???

@Oerstec 2 жыл бұрын

I like your video because you show work on the gearbox area. Most videos show the clutch area. I changed the clutch in my 2011 Fiesta but the new axle seal failed and my family member did not mention the noise. I have a good clutch and would like to keep it and replace the gear part only. Is it possible to use a Focus transmission since I can find very many Focus cores for $150 to $250 range. I'm guessing several of these are clutch related failures. I have searched online and have not found anything definitive about interchanging Focus and Fiesta transmissions.

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure exactly what part you are referring to. Are you talking about the case half or the clutch being interchangeable?

@Oerstec 2 жыл бұрын

@@BarboursAutoHelp Thanks for getting back. It's not the clutch side, so I guess it's called the case half. Is the entire transmission physically the same? If not, then is the gear set in the case half interchangeable? By interchangeable I mean physically the same between a Focus and Fiesta (not counting minor revision differences)?

@BarboursAutoHelp Жыл бұрын

@@Oerstec The case halves are different. Not sure if the gear sets are interchangeable.

@jesuszavala9866 2 жыл бұрын

Im having the same 2 codes on mu 2015 focus i removed the tcm amd counted the turn and i get exactly 6.5 and 4.5 like you mentioned, any ideas what else can be causing these codes?

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 жыл бұрын

At this point if it passed the test outline in the video I'd have to direct you to "the manual". I'd highly recommend performing the appropriate pin point test per these codes as outlined in a manual to insure you head down the right road and replace the right part. Unfortunately I'm not able to provide you with that information. Don't want you going down the wrong road.

@charlestye8059 2 ай бұрын

I have a question . Could a person that welds aluminum repair the shift drum stop instead of replacing the case

@gabrielkoelho1 2 жыл бұрын

Theo clock gear should turno easily Mine os a litle heavy It Cam indicate anoter problema?

@whitneyautomotiveanddiagno994 2 жыл бұрын

Had a customer tow in a 2017 focus, saying that he had a dead battery and changed the battery himself. After said battery change the car was in limp mode. He then disconnected the battery and reconnected it and had a no crank no start. Once the car was here I found a loose connection at BJB and this fix the no crank, no start. However the transmission will move the car forward but not in reverse. It has a P0287B, and a P2837 code and is unable to recalibrate shift forks. My question is if I remove the TCM and turn those gear after marking them, will that tell me if that tab is broken off inside the case?

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 жыл бұрын

That's how I do it.

@orangeguy3314 Жыл бұрын

I had 3 transmission redone by a ford dealership. Of course they were on on warranty. After the third transmission being done I sold it and then got a focus 5 speed manual transmission car. That's how I fixed that problem. I think in australia ford had to buy back all of these DCT ford cars.

@ntitechman08 11 ай бұрын

If that locator tab is sheared off, and I reset the check engine light, why does the car drive fine and as of yet the fault hasn't happened again yet?

@music7arts 2 жыл бұрын

Can this test be done while the trans is still in the car??? My codes are P2837 and P287B. Has a new TCM and can't learn. If this test can be done while still in the car. Do the actuators need to be removed??? Also if changing the gear case portion, I would like to see your video for that and what special tools are needed???

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 жыл бұрын

The test shown in the video can be done with the trany in the vehicle. Just the TCM needs to be removed to perform this test.

@music7arts 2 жыл бұрын

@@BarboursAutoHelp ??? I really appreciate your reply... I did that test and as turning both like your video shows. Both stopped as if the tabs are still in tact. Do you have any suggestions??? Internally what could be the problem. I am pretty sure there is no electrical issue, as ford themselves were confused and wanted to remove the transmission to inspect. I am thinking based on my two codes. P2837 and P287B it may just need a complete clutch kit and Clutch release forks.. I can get the car into drive every now and then, by disconnecting the battery and reconnecting, then it will go into drive, it stutters bad but still no reverse with the Tcm unlearned. Before taking the car into Ford, the car was only intermittent not going into reverse. They changed the TCM and then nothing worked at all. Please let me know your thoughts? I am really thinking Clutch release fork A is bad.. And is there a way to test without pulling it apart.

@garrieparsons2265 Жыл бұрын

I put 2 new shift forks in my 2015 Ford Focus the clutch I set with the tools I bought put it on my computer to do a relearn it said clutch travel test failed does this mean I need the clutch also ? Thanks for any reply

@BarboursAutoHelp Жыл бұрын

Why did you replace the shift forks? Or are you talking about the forks that actuate the throw out bearing for the clutch?

@JonDoe-007 Жыл бұрын

Can you reassemble transmission without the special ford table? It's almost $2000. Where did you source the preload tool set?

@BarboursAutoHelp Жыл бұрын

Freedom racing shows a table for less than 1.5k. Not sure where the bearing preload kit can be obtained from other than Rotunda. You have to have an account to get the tool through them.

@d4rizob Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@BarboursAutoHelp Жыл бұрын

You're welcome

@roaddog1973 2 жыл бұрын

I have this problem right now with my son's car. It has the P2837 code and also fails the shift drum adaptive learning procedure. If I check what you just showed and the tabs are fine, then what? I just can't get to pass. I have a brand new TCM and brand new shift drum actuators installed and it still doesn't pass.

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 жыл бұрын

Then there may be a problem with the shift forks or something inside the transmission or possibly the TCM. Not likely to be a TCM problem though. I have strong doubts that its something other than a broke case. It only takes a half hour to check it the way shown in the video. Check to see how many times the clock gear rotates and then let me know what you find before you go further. (You are going down a dark alley so, not sure what mechanical experience you have, but if you aren't confident in taking things apart and reassembling then I'd advise having a tech do it for you. ) Either way, I'm here. Can't make you any guarantees though.

@kerrysowards5084 2 ай бұрын

Great video! I replaced the case half on my Focus and I unfortunately did not do anything regarding differential shims. What’s the biggest issue I’ve created? 😂

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 ай бұрын

Improper preload on the bearings can lead to bearing failure and potentially catastrophic transmission failure.....Even more catastrophic than just replacing the case half. I'd take it back out and fix it if you just did it. I've seen it happen.

@IamDaytrader 2 жыл бұрын

P2837, P287B, and PO882 are my codes. Car has 14,000 miles on it and this happened already. I wouldn’t think a major mechanical failure. This happened after the battery went bad and I replaced it. Couldn’t that locating tab be welded and ground to shape.

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think the type of metal is the easiest to weld. I think it's best to replace.... if it's broken. Just my opinion.

@kianwilliams2512 Жыл бұрын

If the tab is broken would the car still have Park?

@BrandonSL500 8 ай бұрын

Can't seem to move the clock gears mentioned, either way more than one turn. Does the transmission have to be in neutral? I have the trans out and last was set in park. Thx

@BarboursAutoHelp 8 ай бұрын

It may help a bit. Just move the shifter lever on the trany any place out of park.

@theempirestate6982 2 жыл бұрын

My bottom gear continues to spin in the clockwise position, but stops in the counter clockwise position, is this normal?

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 жыл бұрын

It should stop, after so many turns, in both directions.

@SmajoDune 6 ай бұрын

Is an assembly table needed to replace a case half? Where could I find a repair manual on reshimming the differential?

@BarboursAutoHelp 6 ай бұрын

Yes, a table is needed. Alldata, Shop key, and on demand are pretty good. I believe with some of them you can just get your vehicles information and it's a lot cheaper.

@ryangrant5777 2 жыл бұрын

I have a Ford Fiesta automatic transmission when I put it in reverse it makes the vehicle vibrate

@baldhead_bandit Жыл бұрын

What’s the part number for that half

@Jesse-ys8wu 3 ай бұрын

Can I take off the TCM and spin the gears without dropping the transmission? Please help I hate the focus

@BarboursAutoHelp 3 ай бұрын

Yes, that is how I do it.

@oscarcee6831 Жыл бұрын

How can I check this with the transmission still in the vehicle?

@BarboursAutoHelp Жыл бұрын

The same way shown in the video, just with the trany in. This is how I do it at work. Of course, I have the vehicle lifted overhead. It makes it much easier.

@oscarcee6831 Жыл бұрын

@@BarboursAutoHelp so it has to turn full circle from the mark mines has these codes but it stops going both ways . What should I do ?

@shanew3293 2 жыл бұрын

great info and video..sadly the dps6 is trash

@pks570 Жыл бұрын

What cause of tht broken??

@user-wp8rk7mh1g 5 ай бұрын

How can I get in touch with Keith from BarboursAutoHelp?

@BarboursAutoHelp 5 ай бұрын

Hello

@antonlimbo 3 ай бұрын

what's the cause for breaking the stopper?

@Jesse-ys8wu 3 ай бұрын

I've heard it's the battery voltage or swapping batteries. It causes the transmission to slam into itself

@alejandrolozano4703 2 жыл бұрын

How much does a repair like that cost?

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 жыл бұрын

LOL! I really don't know. I do know it's about 9ish hours labor. I never really payed attention to parts prices. (I just fix em)

@Afroo. Жыл бұрын

How much such job would cost me?

@jamielockman4308 Жыл бұрын

Could you please fix my car? I don't know where to start and know nothing about cars😭😭😭

@michaelco2001 Жыл бұрын

I have 3 codes P287B P2836 P2837

@raya2smty 7 ай бұрын

I have the same. Did you fixed it? What was the issue?

@CHIBA280CRV 2 жыл бұрын

I think the repair for the ford issue is replace the whole brand of car ! Ford sucks ! That should have been a recall !! Thanks for sharing.

@BarboursAutoHelp 2 жыл бұрын

Actually this is a rare occurrence. As stated in the video this is just the most common failure inside the gear box when there is a failure inside the gear box. It is very rare for the gear boxes on the DPS6 to fail. In order for something to be a recall it has to happen on a bunch of vehicles. I wouldn't say Ford sucks. I don't believe any of the big three has them beat. Shoot, I'd drive a Focus. You can't beat the gas mileage. Also, the 2.0 is bullet proof. Yes, they have issue with the clutch and TCM. But, for me it's a minor inconvenience. (of course I can fix them too so that plays into it.)

@2511jeremy Жыл бұрын

Instead of replacing the case why not just tig weld it

@jessemartinez6781 Жыл бұрын

Can't ya just mold your own locating tabs with JB weld puddy 🤔

@BarboursAutoHelp Жыл бұрын

I'd say no. Especially considering the amount of force that it has to withstand. The existing metal tab broke off. I don't think a puddy job will be stronger.