i did holy prot levelling in the past and its so much fun

So you don’t end up getting holy shield in prot??

I've sort of landed on this build as I go. Don't feel like I'm killing too slowing questing / open world, and love the versatility of easy tanking and healing in dungeons.

​@@squantizzy3367too mana inefficient, it's not needed at all

Enchants for leveling? No idea. The BEST thing about Knightly longsword for AoE is that it doesn't kill things fast. So make of that what you will.

I hear that.

and so did alex... disabled comment

It is because of all the hardcore addon/community/restedxp controversy that's going on and how they just wanted to milk people for the addon.

so surprised zoomers play classic wow

literally same, alex ruins everything

I have a video on this somewhere. TLDR is that you go 11/10/0 = level 30 Then 11/21/0 = 41 From there you have 3 options / can do whatever you like. You put more point in PROT... or HOLY... or RET for the cheaper seals and 5% parry.

No AH I assume also means no Trading I take it? Use Leather Stam / Int with Shield. Works MUCH better than other options.

@@pallytime2156 yeah no trading or anything. Thanks!

General Drakasath or whatever also comes to mind... Hmmm... I use to have a trick let me try to recall... 9/10 the BEST thing to do is for you to tank it until the agro reset, NOT using Consecration as it uses up to much mana, and when the reset happens you have a Druid or Warrior tank it and YOU become a healer. Prot tanks HEAL almost as well as well as deep holy at that point, same gear, same talents. With two healers I have seen rogues tank that boss, your healing + Holy Agro buff WILL cause you to get agro back at some point + Excorsim and all that stuff. For Drak (Final Boss UBRS) I would heal from the start of the fight with the agro buff on and when tanks lost agro he would be on me... which is fine.

Basically if they have agro rests = Don't tank, heal instead. Double healers trivializes a LOT of fights in Classic WoW, Drak is the only one I can think of where it won't be trivial but that's a 10 man soo...

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As long as its mail stam / int you are usually fine. Armor be like 200 for plate = 100 for mail = 50 for Leather = 25 for Cloth. More Armor > Than more stats unless the item is REALLY out of date or its Blue Leather. For Hard Core more stats > as long as your shield is up to date. In truth their is a LOT of leeway in the gearing here. You can be in all leather and a Blue up to date shield and be good. Out of date Mail with up to date shield is fine. You are WAY tankier than you really need to be most of the time anyways unless you doing something crazy. Just take the warning signs seriously. If you get in trouble and had to use Bubble and such to live = You are screwing up somehow either in gear or crazy. But that's Hard Core.

I though you got more out of it at the lower levels... but apparently you don't

Shield armor in FULL plate mail is +60% armor. In Mail it would be +120% Armor. What I am trying to say is that your Shields Armor is the lions share of your ARMOR on you character. So you can use leather / mail gear rather than plate but you NEED a good, high armor shield. Sense it is the biggest source of armor.

@@pallytime2156 Good stuff, thanks man!

Imp SoR increases the BASE damage of SoR by 15% not any of the Spell Power stuff. Base damage is like... 10 rank 3 at level 60... 1.5s wep.

18.666% or 20% spell power ratio for Rank 3 SoR 1 handed (hard to tell which) Everything else is 10-12% per Rank. NO ONE really has spell power leveling until BRD at level 54ish. I wouldn't value it super high. Best gear in game = 300-350 Spell Power. (but that's PvP)

Care calculating DPS gains as magic damage ignores armor so 10 magic DPS = 18 physical DPS

@@pallytime2156 yeah i won't find alot of spellpower on a freshserver. But right now on classic era i got enough gold to to lvl a (twink paladin, not for bg's but just buying the best gear that is available for my lvl) and i was wondering if spellpower if available was worth taking or if you would rather suggest to just take lifestealing and invest in stamina/intel gear. Thanks for replying so quickly

I was just thinking Life Steal > Spell Power on Knightly or Flurry axe for sure. Every Enchant is about = in performance for us. Life Steal just CHEEP and effective with 6.66PPM x2 SoR (1 proc per 4.5s swing time). If you got the gold, test out crusader fast 1 hander. No one really knows how it works. We all just life steal. Maybe a furry war knows.@@TulsaGaming

I use Life Stealing... they are all good but it really depends on what you are using it for. Mathmaticaly if using SoR Life Steal is really good.

I have a rotation video but yes.

@@pallytime2156 what is the title of the video? Having trouble locating it

Stam / Int Paladin Rotation@@adamcooper2242

Go the Stam / Int Paladin or Stam / Spirt Paladin Route. One can do it all... the other is a bit more specialized but can do everything except Heal in Dungeons.

@@pallytime2156 awesome thx, going with your advise on the fast sword, its working great for questing.

I have guides... 1-20 Guide 20-30... so on... TLDR = Holy... Get consecration then all in Prot... so 11/X/0

Not at all. You grind way faster with a Warlock as Paladin. Best duo aoe grinder is definitely double mage though. Nothing tops double mage properly using tempo cooldowns.

he hide because he got caught lol

@@Mati-mk5wd and alex made commenting imposssible on all his videos. Bro in america everything takes money. Without him without true love it is just outdated missmanaged game

@@Dualities its the thing he has done solely for the sake of more people buying the guide like adding certain rules, its not morally correct imo.

He is greedy.

Y’all all lost souls. People been selling guides since the conception of wow. He’s greedy for creating a product and selling it? Get outside and do something with your lives. Bunch of drones 😂😂😂

The +15% from SoR talents affect ONLY the base damage of the seal, not the spell power behind it. So for Rank 3 it would be +15% for 6 damage on a flurry axe. 1 handed mastery near bot of Prot tree is the odd ball. It's written that it should add +10% 1 hander damage but it really should say is "Most damage you do while using a 1 hander is increased by 10%" So you consecrations = +10%, your Judgements, SoR... stuff like that. Also I just tested it... SoR rank 3 has an 18.666% spell power ratio. I just made a vid but have to sleep on the subject. Rank 3 two hander is still 20% though. I searched some old dueling video photage I had and its just been me being wrong this whole time lol.

@@pallytime2156 Very interesting regarding the weapon specialization talent. Okay, TY.

@@TimangiFanClub yeah I just asked minno... apparently both the 1 hander and 2 hander specializations increase Seal and judgement damage... not sure about consecration or anything else like oils

@@TimangiFanClub I'll spend the gold to test it I guess

@@pallytime2156 Not sure in what universe it would be done, but could the (negligible) Imp SOR talent interact with it? And any other outside sources like engineering? I imagine pursuing these talents for a slight dps increase would actually just be a gimp to the class, but interesting to see how damage can be ramped up anyway.

I sucks. Very low proc rate. Flurry axe is 7.5% x2 with SoR and the procs can proc procs just like Ironfoe. I hit a shaman one time for 7 procs 1 hit was kinda funny.

ok thanks for the info and the great content

Uh... Skullflame shield has 100% spell power ratio on the life steal, but no ration on the AoE fire. Its considered the BiS AoE farming shield, along side Deamonforged Armor which has 60% ratio

More like every paladin should have a shield and a 1 hander... swap to them as you need.

You want the FASTEST 1 hander possible. Thrash blade = slow = AWEFULL. Get both and test it.

What you are discribing should be impossible if you know where to go to FARM. There are 2 Farming Methods... 1 is to gather 4-5 mobs using Rank 1 Consecration as you run around to gather them. The other is to pull 3 mobs in and burn them down... then another 3 mobs and burn them down after a short drink. Why? it only takes about 2/3 of your mana to kill 3 mobs... so you drink back up to 2/3 really fast and do it again then drink to full rinse and repeat.

@@pallytime2156 okay so I guess 2h deep ret or 2h reck is only good for pvp while leveling if there is a lot of world pvp going on ? Then what for AOE, I gather mobs with rank 1 conc then once I got mobs together I use max rank until they die ? + mana seal and judgement to not go oom.

You can 2 Hander in Classic for sure... its just not recomended for HC@@jarlfisk

Can do as you like at 60... or check out my "Healing in Raids is NOT what you think vid"

I don't even have one of those. Maybe I will be one 10 years from now.

Lol? Look up any "Paladin vs X class PvP guide" and its me and only me making vids. TLDR is Heal yourself and you can outlast almost any other class while leveling. Super Easy. SoW is for AoE Farming SoR is for Single target SoR3 is for when you are low level have good spell power, OR have a really FAST 1 Hander. SoR5+ is best used for slower 1 Handers later on. Always check to see which SoR is doing more for you SoR3 or your Highest current Rank. Even do this in Naxx gear honestly.

@@pallytime2156 ok ok will do thanks for the reply, just found your channel and have been enjoying your videos. Ret was feeling clunky at 45 and this knightly sword build is super fun. I am mostly dueling my buddy who is a pretty skilled feral druid and I watched your guide and you said "just equip a shield and you can kill like 3 druids in a row" lol. With my ret build he was still beating me so now im gonna try this AoE build. Im only lvl 46 so I am mostly wondering if I should: Use knightly even in duels with SoR3 OR use a stronger sword like vanquisher's with higher rank SoR. Guess I will test out the dps for myself but thanks for the tips!

Oh also I put the fiery blaze enchant item from badlands on my knightly and it seems pretty nice

I have a holy shock stam/int build video leveling at 40... gives a good idea of why SoR5+ over SoR3 for the 2 handers and single target@@SqweezyC

@@pallytime2156 oh great okay ill watch that. Thanks for all hardwork on these excellent videos.

It increases the base damage by 15% but not any of the bonus damage from spell power. In theory it gets viable while level past level 34... with a 2 hander where you are using higher ranks of SoR... but it ends up being an opportunity cost issue for your talents. All that said... its STILL garbage. Level 60, no spell power... rank 8 SoR base damage is +24 DPS... and we are talking about increasing that by 15% for 5 talents.

2 Hander and Wreck bombs mean they don't mess with you much past level 40.

VERY easy to out heal them when level with Stam / Int build... kinda silly actually as long as you know to Freedom and RUN when counterspell is avalible.

Sure, I tested it early on in Wrath... Hakkari Manslayer still had a 100% spell power ratio and 10% proc rate with SoR. Enjoy. About all I got.

AoE grinding for a paladin level is 4-5 mobs at a time. 5 is sketchy on fresh.

@@pallytime2156 I meant from level 45 and up, aoe grinding will be tough with all the horde around in the world with pvp going on. But if you're talking about "fresh" server like a private server, then sure.. if you're ahead of the pack that is. Plus all the competition of mage aoe spots. Still great to do tho and tons of fun. Doing this on classic Era will be tough with the amount of players in the world, not a bad thing though hehe.

Not sure what you mean... I am getting requests for talent trees if you like lol

@@pallytime2156 yes, do you have the full 1-60 leveling talent trees anywhere or possible a link to the wowhead calculator?

@@John-gu2iv Hold my beer... I will make a very... very... VERY detailed video series today on that.

@@pallytime2156 my hero

You can see my more recent vis for that but the TLDR is that you need all but 4-5 pieces of gear to be Stam / Int gear in order to do a 4-5 mob pull even with the Judgement mana pull back. Its like 70s of combat time... 9 consecrations... 500 mana spent on seals to get 1600 mana back in that time... 2k with other factors like parry haste, reckoning, spirt ticks... Need about 3k mana bar at level 47 = TLDR You will have 3.9k with FULL stam / int gear. Drinking at 45 gives 97 mana per second so recovery time after 5 mob pull will be about 20s Spirt gear and MP5 don't make a DENT this as you can't really out compete 97 mana a second. The bonus mana just lets you handle 6 mobs rather than 5 (theoretically if you could get them) But that's why its almost ALL stam / Int with 4-5 peices Stam / Spirt

Ok looked it up, and ranks 1 and 2 have 15% spell damage scaling rank 3 have 20%. Then when you look at rank 4, it only has a 10% spell damage scaling. It wasn't obvious in the video why rank 3 was preferred.

@@johanlahti84 I say it so often that I just get tired of repeating myself. Those numbers are off a bit. For 1 handers Its 13% for 1 and 2... 18.666% for Rank 3... and 10% for the rest. 2 hander is closer to what you are saying with 15%... than 20% for Rank 3... than back to 15% for the rest. The actual numbers VERY quickly become not important because whatever weapon you are using either Rank 3 or Rank 8 will be best. 2 Handers always use rank 8 while fast 1 handers use rank 3... and slow 1 handers use Rank 3 or 8 depending on mana supply. For example my 2.5s wep Rank 3 and 8 do about the same damage but Rank 8 will do 100 more damage in the judgement.

I would watch the more recent vids... possibly the rotation guide video. For single targets you use 2 hander

thank you for the tips. for stam-int does a faster 2h weapon work better? @@pallytime2156

Need to judge Crusader and use a fast 1 hander... otherwise... yeah... higher ranks.

Lol seriously... I'm like OK... So how to we build it?!

I just made a 1-20 guide to go with my 1-30 and 40+

@@pallytime2156 Awesome i am loving leveling like this so much fun.

Mana per 5 second

LOL good luck with the suck. Kek

sure mate haha

he is such a victim that guy...

drama tends to be cringe, wow drama is always cringe tho.

ironic when alex disabled all comments on his videos

how did he get his ass kicked again? because he tried to make money by selling a levelign guide? cmon. u guys acting like all his love was fake. i wont take that. that guy put more love and energy into wow and the community then most. hope he brings back soon :)

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@@leonvonleon7154 Thanks!

Part of what problem?

How was he scamming people ?

Hahaha your comment is just pathetic

Was it rly that bad ? He could just apolegize and put up the videos again, lol.

Yea I was annoyed he took all his videos down. That was really dumb. Now I gotta listen to pallytime drone on through non edited videos 😅

You do know people been selling “guides” since 04? So he saw an opportunity to sell people something? Props to him. Soft community these days. 😂