She still needs more range in her tendrils.. i mean like click to confirm the tendril travel

What does the dots do

This hurts so much because its so true.

@@sietse5738 the more u have, the dark siphon and obliteration heals u more, and the siphon does a cripple at max dots. The obliteration does 300 more dmg at max dots

@@Habibalhoque oh thanks

I think that's just free information that needs to be learned via awareness rather than just being handed to you.

@@fuzzmanx how about lex then.. Why does he get an indicator for his ult? Doesn't seem fair does it

@@Bo-sy7qv Don't forget Maeve's Street Justice indicator as well

@@KitDoctor yeah exactly!! And that's isnt even an ult ffs XD

​Imagine executing enemies using Maeve's Street Justice and Lex' Ult via awareness

more like he needs a hard rework. he’s really weak and annoying at most.

they just need to revert him back to his old self

@@KAINARTZ it would be problematic reverting old torvald + he used to be most hated Champion when torvald was introduce in the game

@@arguellesblakedarren1527 well atleast he wasnt a shield turret at that time he used to be able to fight the most hated thing about him used to be his F ability where he shoots an aoe projectile that silences everyone in that area that was op other than that he was pretty decent also lets be real here whats not hated in this game there is so much spam and unfair shit in the game now (dredge scuttle spam and blind tiberius projectiles bouncing off walls) i bet even if they revert torvald no one would notice it

@@arguellesblakedarren1527 it won’t be problematic if there is already broken, stupid shit in the game

Just get rid of mid air inaccuracy all around.

@@CheddarGetter I can side with that yea

@@CheddarGetter ya, inaccuracy midair just encourages people to shoot and get luck with the bloom rng

What accuracy?

Well grover actually did receive a change around his mid air accuracy. The first axe you throw after using vine, doesn't have mid-air inaccuracy.

Nearly perfect except Vora has the worst flank movement ability after moji

@@bxas1st697 She can swing herself over half the map in a second or 2. Yea ill have to disagree with you there, despite the cooldown

IMO Obliteration needs a small leap forward, now it feels a bit clunky like this.

@@hyuga9034 its not that good tf

@@kazukilee7949 If you compare it to Maeve or Evie, yes compared to them its not as good. Compared to Androxus, Zhin, Talus, Koga etc its a prety good movement ability, especially with the double tendril talent giving you either a even further map reach or a more realible option to either get out of combat or, if you play with tendril DR, a potential play maker option in fights. So no, Tendril is not a bad ability, in fact its a good ability that could only use a slightly lower cooldown

She's a very difficult character to get changed. Any flat buff tends to make her too effective against lower level players due to her core design. Then when it comes to soft reworks or meatier changes, the devs feel like there are characters that need those kinds of changes more than her. Like Imani/Lex this patch and Torvald being their next target.

@@JayFlare132 Could she at least get a small buff without breaking her too much? Like reduced cooldown on Hidden from 15 seconds to 12 seconds and a flat 15% speed boost while in Hidden? She's a flank after all without a movement, Sha is jumping back, Seris is immune and Strix doesn't have cooldown on his stealth, just a energy bar and a good speed card.

@@JayFlare132 can u suggest to give her F ability like atleast 50% movement speed so that she can still run and hide from those enemies with illuminate? Im thinking as quick as vora’s ult just lessen the duration of hidden to 3-4sec? And obviosly that movement speed wont apply with her smoke bomb cuz that would be busted

@@StupakSH neither of those buffs would change her spot in the game at the end of the day. They might make her seem even more OP at low level which could put new players off the game who don't understand the mechanics yet. Skye is just an unfortunate case of a character design. She's a fun character when u first start playing and she seems cool but once you get better, you realise that she can't do much since her whole kit is countered by a single item and she feels neglected. However she does have a place, she manages (very rarely) to be played in the ppc in pirate ship comps so that's something lol

I mean, a lot of people wont agree but Andro has only 1 movement ability and its 10seconds thats fine but they nerfed the distance? they removed reset from sheilds and deployables? now you MUST hit someone with it to survive, but no one care cuz they hate andro cuz he's too strong now cuz of his range and damage

And that is why vora become oppressive. If she has her ult she can fuck around without problems. Amd the dmg reduction? It's not 30%. It's way more. Feels like you shoot paper to her. Awesome design

All you need is one person that buys maxed bulldozer and is dedicated to killing the dog/cat. and that is 18 seconds of no doggie/kittie issues. usually the main tank that contests point should be the one that does it.

Double support comps have a lower winrate than double frontline comps on average, so I don't know where he's even coming from. Dealing with two frontliners isn't any easier than two supports.

@@dreamhaze9123 maybe he means on console but even so ,off support require more skill than off tank because most tanks are aim assist friendly.

@Makoa The Ancient i mean yeah but if they jsut push all the nerfs through i think it will help a lot especially the movement speed card

I play with lots of teams that do double support and what I noticed is that they usually try to find healers that would match with the main healer as well as the team of course. When they don't match the off support with the main support it starts causing the team to lose as well if they don't go full healer. Plus, if the main healer can't even heal everyone on the team it causes it to fall apart and be pretty weak. Most people don't pick flanks anymore they end up picking extremely strong damage champions to make up for the loss of extra damages or pick a pretty strong flank as well. Double support often would lead to two tanks at best or even IO so luna can be put on point like usual.

I was thinking this just last night. Not sure if it's possible, I haven't looked into it but I was thinking to myself that I wish I could disable cross-platform gameplay

There is an option to disable cross platform game play. You can choose your method of controller, keyboard or cross play, and you'll get queued with those players

@@anishbalaji9530 Yeah, disabling crossplay only disables keyboard use, not PC controller which is entirely different from regular console controller, it’s extremely advantageous and beyond not fair in comparison, basically I know this sounds weird or just me complaining but i’d either hope to keep platforms very separately if desired or keep PC Controller with Mouse and keyboard or something.

@@SenseiLorenzo what's so different about PC controller? What advantages do they have over mouse and keyboard and regular console controller?

@@davidmorales7371 So the difference between PC controller and regular console is that on PC side, everything moves slower while you move faster, there’s no input delay, everything happens instant compared to console, it’s essentially just as comparable to mouse and keyboard honestly as well, that might be a reach to say, but it’s absolutely ridiculous.

Keep Luminary but nerf the duration or range of the mark. Unless they give Jenos a good healing talent luminary will be the only thing keeping him going as a respectable support

They're live yeah.

Is there a specific speculated date to when she will hit live

28th

HP cards shouldnt really be a thing too imo

@@mindshifterx I don't mind em for some characters but I hate extra healing talents it takes the fun outta supports cause if u don't use em people complain

@@KFCe22956 I agree about the heal talents, with a few exceptions like Pip for example. Regard my previous statement- some characters benefits the HP/shield cards too much cause they dont need any essential cards(like BK) and do not lose anything if they use those cards (basically-get free HP). Also they are uncreative, do not fit the aesthetics of the game and doesnt change the playstyle. Just give flat HP to all champs and let it be.

@@mindshifterx that is true and characters like imani and tiberius that have the shield cards it just makes flanking or getting final kill in general harder and the extra hp cards I can agree to take those out in general right alone side the extra healing talents but pip I can agree that he does need healing talents like ghrok but only because their heals have pretty long cooldowns and they only have that one form of healing but everyone else nah and even pip and ghrok u dont even need the healing cards to win and have ok healing which is crazy

@Makoa The Ancient you can say that but a character like Tiberius has various ways of getting them and a 30sec cool down is no excuse cause when it's up it could be the reason a flank dies or they get away and there shouldn't be any reason why a flank has to avoid someone every 30 sec to which ur never really gonna catch em alone unless ur lucky

He was getting lifesteal from me since his mark was on me.

@@JayFlare132 Ohh I've never seen such interaction before

I don't think he means that I think he means that he wishes the player base to stop doing double supports.

@jocaguz18 fun in casual but when you have a jenos/corvus ranked duo with an *insert the meta flank/dps here*, it becomes something else. Double support have a place... In casual play. Ranked should be only one support with two tanks.

@jocaguz18 my second paragraph is stupid you say yet you claim just having two bans should be enough to take care of Jenos and Corvus. Whatever fool. Those two aren't the only ones just I used them as the example. Then, you're using the wrong definition of adaptability. You can't adapt to a damn team of two supports unless you have a strong counter(anti healing but Willo is basically trash in this patch). Vast majority of ranked comps are double tanks -- that's the way its been. And how it should be and the majority are clamoring for it again. Statistically, you win more with double tanks than you do with two or God-forbid triple support.

No u

Supports are some of the most impactful characters right now, alongside hitscans.

@@JayFlare132 yes they are..but before that? I'd rather not go back to the reason caut was changed..supports felt limp and pointless after the first round..so my question is..what meta is fun? Kinessa and strix are great demonstration how annoying the burst meta is for everyone but damage Champs, double tank was..eh..they are too easily shredded right now and can't fight very well half of them.. and now its double support..so where do we go then?

How about a Mobility meta with buffed up tanks?

@@carloguerrero6583 it could be fun..honestly imo the best meta would be one where dps help guard the support / bruise the tank, supports are the glue holding the team, tanks the bruisers you don't want to just charge at, and flanks are the higher skill floor play makers , this meta i feel is the closest we've gotten to this at present , not that it can't be better..I just dunno if taking an axe to supports is a smart idea

While in paper that meta sounds awesome, I believe some issues would rise from the champs that can fill multiple classes. Tweaking them individually could be more stable in the long run. Though I don't play competitively or at that high of a level so i'm biased. What I really wish upon a star though, is for the hitboxes to conform to the models. How's that for an AOC topic :'3

What people don't understand is double tendril is very.. Meh. For the same reason totem Grohk is meh, double tendril is -meh- Once you use your 2nd tendril charge that's it. It's gone. Your talent is now doing absolutely nothing until you go through or in between team fights for 24 seconds to generate your 2nd charge back. Otherwise, the entire engagement you're working with one charge and one charge only. Now, just like Grohk, if each charge generated separately instead of one at a time and the cooldown was a little higher, it would be great. But idk. Active and responsive talents (silence on obl, extra damage on siphon) always trump passive talents (same cooldown time, two charges that charge one after the other) in a fast paced class based game where back to back encounters are what make or break the match.

My thoughts anyway ^^

@@LadyLambkins I'm actually with you on this. Feel like double Tendrils is a bit overhyped, and probably why people think she feels bad. For mobility purposes, you only need one since its launching power is insane and you can usually reach anywhere if you're good enough, and while the cooldown can be rough, there are workarounds with cooldown cards and Chronos. The extra damage from Dark Siphon and Silence both overshine it. One makes easy kill confirms with extra damage and the other gives you a second crippling CC that also has a pretty decent AoE. The only reason why I mention Double Tendrils is that it happens to be the most popular atm. Now if only I could get back into the PTS to lab her out more, she's been a fun one to mess around with.

@@LadyLambkins omg I’ve thought the same thing! I think the extra %dmg is so powerful and having an extra tendril is, like you said, meh

Myb in casuals in ranked 2 supp always win 2 tank when u have io seris or seris grover io can go for healing so seris can go soul collector and be a hard to counter flank cz of her dmg and health 2 supp is often picked in rank as i see because 1 support like jenos or grover are too weak to sustain the entire team 2 supp is not a bad thing just people still think 2 tank is better because so called scrim games alaways have 2 tank but in real games when u have 2 tank and grover jenos or seris heal even corvus heal aint enough u cant sustain your team and u will most likely lose if u go agains 2 supp

The double support happened a lot in casuals but I noticed that it slowed down a lot in seige but it manly noticeable in onsault (sorry I can't spell)

The problem isn't necessarily that multiple support comps are being picked, mostly what supports in particular are kind of mandatory. The burst meta's low time to kill isn't fun and hurts the game, however Hi-Rez forced the higher time to kill into nerfing mandatory items and giving characters a bunch of teammate buffing effects. Things like Catalyst Pip, Maelstrom Grohk, or Focusing Lens Ying aren't the issue, nor are they the "bullshit" supports, so to say. The biggest gripe a lot of people have is what supports are in these super strong positions, namely Corvus, Io (you won't see her in the pro league as she's banned but she's still busted as ever), Jenos, and Grover. Io, Corvus, and Jenos are very reliant on effect stacking on their teammates with the broken stuff they have like the Goddess's Blessing DR on Moonlight, Luminary bonus damage on shots, and Corvus's loadout cards, especially Grand Design. Grover is an issue because on the maps he's amazing on, he has no real weaknesses or deterrents and can take over an entire match with ease. Pairing the insanely strong effect stacking supports are typically what people complain about when they complain about "Cancerous double support", not the Support class in general. I doubt anyone finds Ying, Grohk, Pip, or Seris being too overpowering as offsupports, it's mostly the problem children that are Io, Corvus, Jenos, and Grover. I don't think double support is bad for the game, as long as the supports are good because they're able to make plays on their own instead of kiting behind corners all game giving their teammate of choice any slew of status effects, be it lifesteal, bonus damage, or damage reduction. The issue obviously isn't a change or two away from being fixed, but deciding we do and don't like certain team comps is just shooting ourselves in the foot.

U see with 2 tank flank and dmg are dead cz of lack of healing 2 supp is not bad iz is way better than 2 tank cz now u can have io focusing on healing and seris playing soul collector and being like and miny off tank cz of her crazy 3160 health and plus her dmg and her healing is not that bad u can make space and flank with your flank 2 tank was bad cz only one who woud get heals were the tank others were dead for the entire game only champions that werw capable of healing more than 2 people were furia with solar blessing and old seris with her huge heals that were 1,5 second cooldown

@@nadrogiranakokos371 slusaj mestre dosadi 2 supporta pogotovo ako imas jenosa i corvusa koji rade nikakav dmg još ako imaš snajper s tim mos se predat odmah neki 2 support je ok s recimo dmg ying ali nije to to

Evo i balkanca mislio s da smo umrli u ovoj igrici

@@nadrogiranakokos371 ima nas još i najjaci smo

Double support meta makes the game require less skill. If you want that, congrats.

Yeah I agree. I don't think the double support is as game-breaking as some say. Just the big pocketers (Corvus-Jenos) are an issue, and they're counterable but still annoying. Still, the double Off-Tank with the old Io meta was more annoying in my opinion.

I would like to see a mobility meta.. that would be so much fun

@@FeeZ3 I know right? And it would make the most skilled champions the most rewarding ones.

If she has no reset cards that rely on kills (which i don't think she does) then it doesn't really matter does it?

@@burni988 It does matter cause it's about the feel of the game, slashing air with my ult doesn't feel fun or rewarding. It's like a zhin that's just dashing to slash the air, it looks and sounds messy and the game is already messy as it is, so we don't want more mess.

@@TheLastEgg08 seems like you changed ur point. Cause originally ur issue was kill stealing. But you're free to have ur opinion if the ult doesn't feel good to u. I can understand why u feel it's clunky anyway

@@burni988 Yeah kill stealing that leads to you slashing the air and at the same time someone stealing your kill, as I sad it's MESSY.

@@TheLastEgg08 oops. I misunderstood the first time. My mistake.

@@luminozity6095 i feel like with burst meta you could outplay with postitioning and game sense compare to sustain where you just gotta wait it out or do more dps?

I see your point but sustain meta would include dr stuff and the healers, and dealing with that is a lot more annoying then just “wait for it to finish”

Yeah I mean, I don't see the double support as the problem, it's the Corvus-Jenos pocket I have an issue with, 'cause having someone get healed mid-fight from the other side of the map is annoying, but if a Damba or a Ying manages to heal in a mid fight on a tough map, props to them, I'm not blaming the meta on that one. I like that something is going up against the 2 tanks that are still strong, because that was everywhere before.

Corvus + Jenos winrate in ranked is 47%.

They're bringing payload back if you're interested. It's not overwatch mate, they did one event and it was buggy as hell.

Yagorath, The Worm Momma everything they do is buggy, and basic features of other FPS games have been removed from this one because the devs don’t wanna fix them. How does that not worry you

@@TheUnknown-uh7um They're trying to fix them, take a look at the patchnotes, the amount of bugs fixed is astonishing, they're really doing their best, I'm not trying to suck them off, sometimes they also do bad shit. But Hirez is a very small studio, it's not blizzard activision. Also while Overwatch is taking the fps route, paladins is taking the MOBA route which is a great way to stand out imo. The only way they could fix everything entirely is to build everything from the ground up again and paladins isn't really popular, no one is gonna wait 2 years or more for them to reconstruct the game.

Go back to 2018 to burst meta cz u dnt like the new one her mobility is 1000 times better than grovers she has cc no flanks have it she deals decent dmg not too crazy she is balanced u saying that just because u know she will be one of the most skillc champs to play

Or maybe just 80%? 85%? Would be enough to kill the double support meta, but don't kill late game heals. 🤷‍♂️

Old meta was usless cz any healers exept furia with solar bessing were dead late game because all of the healers did.not give enough heales seris healed for 60 with rejuv late game ying for 400 with rjuv io for 55 with rjuv it was just bad only furia coud sustain her team during late game plus she needed to play solar blessing otherwise team woud be dead