Panasonic S5 Anamorphic Modes Properly Analyzed!

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Anamorphic on a Budget

Anamorphic on a Budget

3 жыл бұрын

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Here are all the sensor area uses on the Panasonic S5 and how that is useful for anamorphic shooters. A quick and practical look on what this camera allows you to do!
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@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the clarification and in-depth view! I am a bit torn in this whole endevour. The dream mode sounds very nice, but at least for projection setups that means we need longer taking lenses. However, only one (rather pricey) single focusser is good with long taking lenses, all others cripple the quality. Yet you can't use that focusser, the FVD-16b, in wide setups. So you have to switch focussers along taking lenses if you want to maintain IQ, which is kind of a hassle. From my understanding, the S5 lets us set the desqueeze manually (unlike the GH5(s)), so we can use 2X destretch and 2X IBIS even when we record 16:9. In 16:9 4K rec, we'd get slightly larger than S35 at ~20.25mm which is already pretty nice. And that "dream height" would finally be accessible with the raw update I suppose, unless they cripple it by only making it 16:9. Drawbacks are a lower res (roughly 86% after cropping) and worse preview (I assume the cam desqueezes to 3.55:1 instead of cropping sides). My plan would be to switch between modes - 16:9 for "stationary" shots that need the depth, anamorphic mode for fast paced stuff (as it has better rolling shutter performance). I desperately hope they'll allow at least also 25p for the photo modes, as that would be very very attractive option. p.s.: isn't it a shame that the HFR modes are always only 16:9? Imagine a mode that would allow less fps, but were 1920x1440 4:3. Absolutely usable for 2K delivery and maybe even workable in a 4K timeline if we do some magic to it. 1080 height is just a bit too little to me; even if it were only 100fps, that would be so dope
@rickmarques10
@rickmarques10 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, the new lighting looks nice!
@MartinRMcGowan
@MartinRMcGowan 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been anamorfaking my films since 2016, and while I love the super cheap adapters I’ve built, and the helios 44-2 is a heaven send, but I can’t wait to really dig in to a full anamorphic set up one day. Right now it’s just price and usability stopping me. My films tend to be fairly long and I’m not sure I’m up to the task of solo shooting a whole movie anamorphically yet. But I’ll get there.
@timekeepermedia5142
@timekeepermedia5142 3 жыл бұрын
super interested in trying this camera for a handheld anamorphic setup..going to have to rent it and see if it works out in reality like it does in my head haha
@ForestCinema
@ForestCinema 3 жыл бұрын
I’m kinda in “wait and see” mode for jumping to LF anamorphic at the moment. If the S1H had better AF for my other applications outside of anamorphic, I could justify an upgrade to that body, but as it stands, I’ll wait to see what the (theoretical) S2H AF performance is like, and either snag a discounted S1H or its replacement depending on the features. I know there are also AF add-on products in the works for Panny/BM cams, but who knows what those might look like or when they will show up. I think the other wild card in this category is Fuji’s GFX. If they do an open gate video mode on one of their LF bodies, that’s a pretty serious “gloves are off” kinda situation. With the Metabones GFX booster, open gate puts those sensors up into nearly IMAX territory, which would be super fun to play with, regardless of other features or price point.
@MoseLaura
@MoseLaura 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the information! I wonder one thing I have not found info on anywhere. Is there a audio limiter in the menus like on the gh5? Thank you!
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. There is.
@vincechook
@vincechook 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant tutorial!!! Looks like that the S5 camera is a powerhouse for anamorphic shooting however, there are not many budget anamorphic lens for the L-mount. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance.
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
L-mount is not a requirement. Going the DIY route you can put adapters onto pretty much anything. :D
@ItsTryHardGamer
@ItsTryHardGamer 2 жыл бұрын
Sirui 50mm full frame got announced recently just in case you’re still interested
@aris5570
@aris5570 3 жыл бұрын
This video is a 10/10!
@mayorof2ndstreet202
@mayorof2ndstreet202 3 жыл бұрын
Hey have you thought of trying out the red Komodo? And would the RF mount help you get things like the suiri or other modded anamorphics?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not a big RED fan, the Komodo seems a camera without a market to be honest. The RF mount is similar enough to the L or E-mounts that it doesn't bring anything new to my workflow
@mayorof2ndstreet202
@mayorof2ndstreet202 3 жыл бұрын
Anamorphic on a Budget I agree with the not being a red fan too. It’s one of those things where when I’m renting a kit, I’d get an extra couple hundred bucks for using the red over a S5 or something equivalent. Sad but true, even if I can get the same image. Thanks for the info!
@davidstokes9275
@davidstokes9275 3 жыл бұрын
Has anything changed? What would be the best option right now for the best FOV with something like an 8Z and would an SLR magic rangefinder work fine for a single focus solution on the 8Z? What are your thoughts for an entry level being the 8Z?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
There were a couple big firmware updates since this video. The S1 became an excellent option with internal open gate recording. FOV will depend more on your taking lens than your camera. The rangefinder is a bit lackluster in performance but is good enough to get you started. If you enjoy shooting scope, you're likely to keep the 8Z through your entire career. It's an excellent lens.
@nathangoswick8175
@nathangoswick8175 3 жыл бұрын
I might be a little confused, but is it possible to shoot open gate 3:2 and crop to 4:3 in post while you use an external recorder to force it to desqueeze for monitoring, if it cannot already be done internally in 3:2 open gate? I agree that there should be native modes, but wouldn’t this yield the same result?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
It would yield the same result, yeah! But this camera can't do it internally and based on the advertised update, it won't be able to do it externally either.
@dapunkof1975
@dapunkof1975 2 жыл бұрын
In other words the APSC crop mode on the S5 is not the same size as the S1H Super 35 mode? I assumed they were the same size despite different labeling just for these two cameras...
@niceguyschool
@niceguyschool 6 ай бұрын
Are you saying on the S5 that I can shoot 15 minutes of 4:3 at 30 fps using the 6k photo mode as a workaround? Will this record internally? I'm looking at the S5 but have been disappointed it doesn't have the open gate features of the S5ii. Very informative video. Thank you.
@TronnetG
@TronnetG 8 ай бұрын
Great video! Sorry pls can u told us how you desqueeze the video pls :) or the I have the configuration of the sequence I have the s5, anamorphic sirui 24mm and ninja v too Pls I´ll appreciate a lot! I Would I have a recommendation pls about what is the best way to take advantage of my gear! PLS
@witchingseasonfilms
@witchingseasonfilms 3 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to pair the Vazen lenses on the S5?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
The 85 for sure. The other ones only when we get a MFT to L adapter.
@witchingseasonfilms
@witchingseasonfilms 3 жыл бұрын
@@AnamorphicOnABudget If an adapter were to exist, would the 28 or 40 vignette?
@bradleyjpaolucci
@bradleyjpaolucci 3 ай бұрын
Is the 6k photo mode a good option for vertical video for Instagram if I want to shoot with the camera horizontally? I shoot food content exporting 1080p
@littlestonefilms9122
@littlestonefilms9122 2 жыл бұрын
In the live stream with @photojoseph I heard you talking about lens adapter used horizontally to squeeze up the height of the 16:9 mode in order to create a 4:3 full frame aspect ratio (Pavlikovski style). Have you ever done the maths in order to achieve that result? Like a 1.33 or 1.35 (great joy I kind of like) adapter? Or something less than that? I’m not sure about that size. Also I’m sure it’ll be a pain to make a vertical desqueeze afterwords, not to mention monitoring on some external screen. I’m into shooting a indie feature with s5 and considering which budget lenses/setup would do the best for this setup. Thanks for all of your work Ps: I was also wondering if lens flares would be vertical then?!?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it would be a 1.33x adapter to convert 16:9 to 4:3. Desqueezing in post is easy, but getting on set preview is more challenging. I think only Z-Cam offers vertical desqueeze. PS - yes.
@littlestonefilms9122
@littlestonefilms9122 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnamorphicOnABudget thanks a lot! Happy new year
@littlestonefilms9122
@littlestonefilms9122 Жыл бұрын
@@AnamorphicOnABudget would you recommend a 1.33 adapter with no flares that might be good to work vertically? Thanks so much!
@sebastianjcano3052
@sebastianjcano3052 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information, I have a question: DO the s5 record in open gate? using the full sensor and planning in using the footage for different aspect ratios? For example the gh series of lumix can do that, but I am not quite sure if this lumix s5 can do it too... Thanks!
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 2 жыл бұрын
The S5 does not record open gate.
@anamorphicalan
@anamorphicalan Жыл бұрын
Hi I use lumix s5. We test 4k a/4k img. Quality is same. Resolution different. Must record use 4k a? 4k a IBS support value more than resolution?
@PunishedSeeker
@PunishedSeeker 2 жыл бұрын
I'm still hoping for open gate, or something similar, on the S5. And full frame slow motion.
@dannylocuvideo
@dannylocuvideo Жыл бұрын
Do I need anamorphic lenses to use anamorphic 4:3 mode? Can I shoot in 4:3 open gate with 24-105mm lens?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget Жыл бұрын
Of course. You can film however you like. :)
@timspeaking1
@timspeaking1 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! So I'm brand new to shooting anamorphic and recently bought the Lumix S5 alongside the Sirui 50mm T2.9. Being a little disappointed by the crop on the regular anamorphic modes, I have been playing about (very unscientifically) with just using 5.9K ProRes Raw, with the Sirui, and in post, after the desqueeze, just trimming off the left and right frame excess... is this a bad idea? Am I not getting the max vertical resolution?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great idea. You're not getting the full sensor height though - the S5 just won't allow in video mode. The only way to do that (or almost do that) is using the 6K photo mode, but it's locked at 30fps.
@timspeaking1
@timspeaking1 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Thank you so much for your response! Right, that's helpful to know, and I think I understand better what you mean in the video now. Fingers crossed for S5 upgrades down the line to help with this. Wonder what the GH6 will offer... And thanks for all your videos, they really are helping to demystify anamorphic for me - especially the Cookbook!
@Imhotep397
@Imhotep397 3 жыл бұрын
Even though this is kind of random I’m wondering if you might be testing the Raipido Technology FVD 16B and possibly comparing it to the FVD 16A with Achromatic diopter?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
I'm getting the 16B in a little bit, so we can look into it! :P
@Imhotep397
@Imhotep397 3 жыл бұрын
Anamorphic on a Budget Nice!
@Arthagnou
@Arthagnou 2 жыл бұрын
IF you did film on the full sensor, would there be any "shuffling" of the image as the object oved across the screen? How much worse is it when compared to a GH5II, same lens and same object moving? Ive seen the S5 vrs the GH5 and the S5 was terrible. ALSO If you are using a PL mount Scope lense, is there a crop factor with the SH1? Or which do and dont suffer a crop?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 2 жыл бұрын
I'm confused. I don't think I understood your main point here. What is "shuffling"? Is that rolling shutter? The S1H has no crop, unless you turn on the S35 or Pixel/Pixel modes. A lens is a lens, it doesn't matter the sensor. A 50mm for APS-C has the same angle of view as a 50mm for full frame.
@JohnJordache
@JohnJordache 11 ай бұрын
I’ve mounted a 27mm Laowa Nanomorph on an S5 with a Atomos Ninja V on top of it - all fully unlocked… and there its where it ends 🤦🏻‍♂️😳 I have no idea which setting should I use on my S5 to get the best results ? New to anamorphic 🙏🏻
@JJ_Khailha
@JJ_Khailha Жыл бұрын
I’m thinking of using the S5 at 5.9K, 16:9 aspect ratio, 12 bit BRAW to a Video Assist recorder and simply cropping the sides. Does this sound like a good anamorphic solution?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget Жыл бұрын
That'll work. There's no right or wrong when you're deciding the aspect ratio of your project.
@turbophat
@turbophat Жыл бұрын
Forgive me if this is a dumb question but like what's the point? If I can't record decent anamorphic shots with my S5ii why invest in a lens, even the Surui?
@muziektelevisie
@muziektelevisie 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know of a video where this 4:3 6k photo mode can be seen in action with an anamorphic lens?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 2 жыл бұрын
My review for the Vazen 85mm full frame lens was mostly filmed in that mode.
@marksmello
@marksmello 3 жыл бұрын
I'm intrigued at what the RAW 5.7K might offer for anamorphic shooters. To me, I'm more excited about the possibility of using more of the sensor than the RAW with that mode, so I hope they don't crop it 16:9. I hope it might be a possibility since the recording processing is removed from the camera and given to the Ninja V, meaning the camera would have more resources to output a clean feed of the full sensor.
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
I was hoping the same, but looking at the specs for the 5.9k RAW mode it's 16:9 shaped. :(
@marksmello
@marksmello 3 жыл бұрын
@@AnamorphicOnABudget bummer :(
@brandonblackonline
@brandonblackonline 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Tito! I just tried out the 6K photo mode and got super weird IBIS stuff happening. Is it not possible to anamorphic stabilize in this mode?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 2 жыл бұрын
Correct. The 6K Photo mode is definitely a hack which bypasses a lot of the regular useful features of actual video modes. :(
@brandonblackonline
@brandonblackonline 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnamorphicOnABudget really appreciate the response man! I just got my great joy 50mm in the mail and I’m figuring out the best modes to shoot in and this video was SO helpful. You’re amazing.
@TheLostKuma
@TheLostKuma 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the s5 is as good as it gets below a e2f6 and s1h? but if one can spare, better to go w/ the bigger brother?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
I've been using the S1h for a couple weeks now and the extra features are super nice. The body is much bigger and heavier though. Both great cameras, but if you can spend more, go for the S1h.
@TheLostKuma
@TheLostKuma 3 жыл бұрын
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I rented one back in Jan... can’t stop thinking about it. Renting one again this week! Does the camera screen desqueeze work in open gate? Guessing anamorphic ibis will in open gate as well? Thank you again!
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Peter, the desqueeze works in open gate, as well as IBIS. Desqueeze doesn't work in Photo Mode though.
@TheLostKuma
@TheLostKuma 3 жыл бұрын
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Thank you. very helpful ! Picking up my s1h rental later today, very excited. Have used it before but didn't own an anamorphic lens then. Crossing fingers for a s2h with better frame rates next year. I wish you the very best in 2021!
@Raoh1st
@Raoh1st Жыл бұрын
Does open gate work in 1920p ?
@nicklaytonUK
@nicklaytonUK 3 жыл бұрын
I think Panasonic have released a firmware upgrade, but I am struggling to work out whether this now includes full frame Anamorphic output....I think it does.
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't. :(
@nicklaytonUK
@nicklaytonUK 3 жыл бұрын
@@AnamorphicOnABudget of course. Nevermind! :)
@heartless1572
@heartless1572 3 жыл бұрын
There's one thing you didn't mention, Tito, and that is HDMI output. S1 stops outputting HDMI signal once you start recording in 4:3 6K Photo Mode (30 fps). Live preview during composing works fine, it just disappears as soon as you press record (and appears once again when you stop it). Same thing applies to GH5 and its fabulous 4992 x 3744 Open Gate mode. Does S5 suffer from it, too? BUT not all hope is lost and there's a workaround: FieldMonitor app by Adam Wilt (available only on iOS devices). It allows you to monitor the image via WiFi and supports LUTs, anamorphic options, etc. Surely, it's not as reliable as wired connection and the resolution isn't the best either, but it's something, right?
@tyshchenkoyevhen
@tyshchenkoyevhen Жыл бұрын
S1H also has BRAW, unlike other Panasonic, Sony, Nikon, or Canon cameras.
@MKPhotographic
@MKPhotographic 2 жыл бұрын
Can the S5 do full frame 4:3?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 2 жыл бұрын
No, it can't. :(
@dragonixu
@dragonixu Жыл бұрын
To me using 16:9 aps-c mode with 1.33x lens makes more sense then using 4:3 anamorphic mode with 1.8x: - anamorphic does not shoot 60p - resolution for 16:9 gives me full 4k width of 3840 and height of 2160 can be oversampled in post that could give me better image quality instead of scaling up width of 3328px - sensor coverage is only 5% smaller then 4:3 anamorphic. It is 315mm2 in 16:9 compared to 330mm2 in 4:3 Anamorphic - price for 1.33x lens is way lower than 1.8x lenses Teoretically if there was 1.33x fullframe anamorphic lens, it is best to shoot in ff 16:9 mode. sensor area is 715mm2 in that case. am I missing something there? is there some issue using 16:9 with 1.33x lens?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget Жыл бұрын
No issues. Your math is good. It seems to work well for you. When I'm filming anamorphic, I want the most squeeze, and the best way to push in that direction is for a sensor that gives me more height. Personal preference. :)
@MichaelDemetriusGR
@MichaelDemetriusGR Ай бұрын
top😊
@vincechook
@vincechook 3 жыл бұрын
Has anyone been able to enable the Anamorphic desequeeze and with waveform enable in 6k/4k photo mode?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
No. I haven't been able to enable desqueeze on Photo mode after I upgraded from the pre-production firmware at all. :(
@littlestonefilms9122
@littlestonefilms9122 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnamorphicOnABudget what about desqueezing in this mode after the last 2.3 firmware was released?
@ianfrank2209
@ianfrank2209 3 жыл бұрын
in Montana EVERYTHING is meat and potatoes
@finishingmove77
@finishingmove77 Жыл бұрын
The big question is... Drumroll... Does the new S5II have this dream mode for anamorphic shooting
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget Жыл бұрын
The video is coming up in a couple hours!
@bbdop
@bbdop 3 жыл бұрын
What the subtitles are here? I understood nothing!
@stiknpoke
@stiknpoke 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, I'm totally confused by this video. Can you not just shoot full frame with an anamorphic lens, get access to all the 16x9 4k modes, and de-squeeze in post?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
The point is to shoot with more vertical sensor area than 16:9 video.
@stiknpoke
@stiknpoke 3 жыл бұрын
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I see! So the sensor itself is actually *larger* than 16 x9? This I did not know, so thank you! I always thought that a 'full frame' sensor was 16x9, so thought if you just shot full frame with an anamorphic lens, you'd get full frame coverage (but squeezed) then just de-squeeze in post, thereby maxing out full sensor real estate. (Hence my confusion!)
@PatoCrioyo
@PatoCrioyo 3 жыл бұрын
​@@stiknpoke​ 16:9 is the aspect ratio of the frame or sensor, its proportions. It has no relation to the size or resolution of the sensor. In this case, the sensor is 3:2 (so 50% wider than it is tall). The ideal aspect ratio to get a cinemascope image akin to most movies we've watched is 4:3 (which yields around a 2.4:1 aspect ratio when using a 2x anamorphic lens). Here you have a couple of 4:3 modes but each have their own drawbacks.
@pedroblancou
@pedroblancou 2 жыл бұрын
I shot a short film last year in full frame + Ninja 5 + Cooke anamorphic lenses 1.8. The image is very large, but, I prefer lose this resolution than the S35 mode. My time line is in 3840 x 1440 So I actually lose some on the sides but you still have a lot of resolution.
@isirwinalot
@isirwinalot Жыл бұрын
Hey could you doing a gh5s Siruis anamorphic 1.33 lens set up toturial or a video I'm struggling to get this set up Sincerely a fan
@djkrowa
@djkrowa 3 жыл бұрын
CATAN rules :)
@rimzyjaansalvy6539
@rimzyjaansalvy6539 3 жыл бұрын
😁
@dushyantbhatt9345
@dushyantbhatt9345 9 ай бұрын
one can shoot 4:3 photo mode ??? where is it the menu .... wow god bless you
@mark12345697
@mark12345697 3 жыл бұрын
Is that a swiss accent?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
Nope.
@DenysZharkov
@DenysZharkov 3 жыл бұрын
Only super 35!!! No FF ANAMORPHIC!!!! (
@dpc4548
@dpc4548 3 жыл бұрын
So, the gh4 and the g7 is better (maybe a couple of others in the g line before ibis was introduced). The s5 has ibis to soften and jerk the image like the gh5 on top of being way too expensive and not having a full res sensor readout. I'm not sure who they're aiming this camera at. It's not good enough for pros, too expensive for consumers. Wedding videographers who settle for quality of life enhancements at the expense of image? Maybe. Though, there's no hdmi out on this (or the g line, except for the king, gh4).
@CINEMAPALACE
@CINEMAPALACE 3 жыл бұрын
the subtitles have nothing to do with what is said!
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
Woow, I never saw anything like this before! Hahaha! Trying to fix it now.
@thevalleywalker
@thevalleywalker 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure why Ijust watched this.. not a clue what it was about?
@AnamorphicOnABudget
@AnamorphicOnABudget 3 жыл бұрын
The different crop modes and Anamorphic support in the Panasonic S5. Exactly what the title says. Hehe
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