PANZERBLITZ SITUATION 1 Playthrough / Example of Gameplay / AVALON HILL Board Game /RETRO GAME NIGHT

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Жыл бұрын

In today's video, Cax and Nato play through Situation 1 of the classic Avalon Hill board game, Panzerblitz. Hopefully you enjoy this example of gameplay!
This video is sponsored by DARK CITY GAMES, an independent Wargame company that focuses on small-format simple games: www.darkcitygames.com/
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A groundbreaking board game of armored warfare on the Eastern Front in World War II.
The game is tactical scale (company/platoon sized units) with geomorphic map boards. The 352 counters were 5/8-inch and very striking for their time.
250 meters per hex, 6 minutes per turn.
Avalon Hill Complexity Rating: 6
[From the box back]
...from the other side of the ridge comes the clanking thunder and the ominous dust-cloud that heralds the arrival of an onrushing wave of deadly steel: German armored columns on the attack.
...Russian tank commander's slam shut the hatches of their dreaded T-34's...gun crews prime their weapons and infantrymen hug the earth...
...and there-topping the rise!...a glint of dawn reflecting off the muzzle of the first German tanks...
PanzerBlitz is about to begin!
The game of PanzerBlitz enables you to re-create the drama and furious action of tactical-level armored warfare. Battle-simulations take place on a realistic mapboard which reproduces about twenty square miles of typical Russian terrain. The playing pieces are accurate symbolization of the platoon and company sized units which fought on the Eastern Front in World War II. More than a dozen different “scenarios” are given, each of which allows you to re-create a completely new game-situation in which to exercise your skill as an armor tactician. Prior military knowledge or experience, however, is not needed to play PanzerBlitz-just common sense, clear thinking and a competitive spirit.
IN EACH PANZERBLITZ GAME, YOU GET...
- 352 authentic unit counters
- Big 22”x24” mapboard in full color
- Comprehensive illustrated Rules-of-Play
- Game Situation Cards
-Campaign Analysis Booklet
...PLUS SPECIAL FEATURES THAT MAKE PANZERBLITZ A NEW DEPARTURE IN THE FIELD OF BATTLE-SIMULATION GAMES!
Tactical level combat with weapons range and fire-over-distance. Three section “Geo-morphic” mapboard which can be re-arranged to form dozens of different terrain configurations. Platoon and company sized units which can be combined to form many distinctly different battle formations. Situation cards which allow the playing of several dissimilar games using the same basic rules. Easy-to-handle oversized unit counters with authentic armored vehicle recognition silhouettes. Rules which include such considerations as: Range; Elevation; Obstacles to Fire; Fortifications; Close Infantry Assault Tactics; Weapons Interrelationships, Motor transport; Mines; Anti-Tank Guns; Mortars; Spotting; Indirect Fire...and much more!
“Panzerblitz” is a German word which literally means “armored-lightning.”

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@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

The free game giveaway is still active if you watch to the end of the video. We're giving away 3 copies of the game we mention in the video.

@ErichChaves Жыл бұрын

still active? 😁

@elbonian1166 Жыл бұрын

Any still available?

@joeyj6808 Жыл бұрын

Dude, you're blowing my mind! Just as soon as I got a new copy of the game after 20+ years of absence, your PB series starts! I can't wait to see this. Good luck to the Soviet player of S1 - he's gonna need it! EDIT: don't forget to leave a Wreck counter when you kill a tank or vehicle. Wrecks count for stacking and can really change gameplay as they gather. Y'all picked a very tough scenario for the Soviet player to win if the Axis player is even moderately skilled at set-up. It was fun to watch y'all play. Thanks again!

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, I caught that afterwards in the edit, but thank you for mentioning it. As far as the scenario, we just chose #1 and we will roll through the scenarios from there!

@georgekraft8605 Жыл бұрын

thank you - PanzerBlitz is by far my favorite classic game.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

You're welcome! And stay tuned, as there is more content to come!

@jobu88 Жыл бұрын

14:30 to 14:55 is why this game was fundamentally broken when it came out. No opportunity fire rule. Units can move in plain sight with total impunity from enemy guns. Everyone I know retro-fits rules from Panzer Leader and Arab-Israeli Wars to make PanzerBlitz more playable.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, we were thinking about doing just that for the playthrough. There was an interesting article that came out in the General when the Panzerbush accusations started where they defended the original design, and they made some good points, but I think we might implement opportunity fire going forward in these playthroughs

@keithturnas6456 Жыл бұрын

@@LegendaryTactics I would play PanzerBlitz using the original rules. If you want improved rules that include opportunity fire, play PanzerLeader or Arab-Israeli Wars. PanzerBlitz is one of a kind, faults and all. Either way, thank you for playing and sharing these classic games!!!

@majorintel9623 Жыл бұрын

There is a certain elegance to the PanzerBlitz rules. Changing the rules affects the victory conditions to a degree as to make the victory conditions unworkable. Playing the original rules has its own appeal.

@majorintel9623 Жыл бұрын

Using the Panzer Leader rules will largely negate the victory conditions. The scenarios were pretty carefully calculated, is my my view.

@alexnewman8173 Жыл бұрын

You put all three OP's under forts, group the forts together on a hill, use mines and obstacles to encircle. This is how you set up a firebase!

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's easy when you know how!

@majorintel9623 Жыл бұрын

The rules make you put the forts and CPs on separate hills.

@billmasters385 Жыл бұрын

You wouldn't think this could be so interesting (watching two other people play), but it was and I thank you!

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

You're welcome! We make sure to edit the playthrough down so there is little downtime. That way, things zip along so you don't get bored! :)

@MathFunandGames Жыл бұрын

Jam up the front to hold it. Then send the more mobile units around the side. Always try to get around to the side or rear. Darn, now you got me hankering to play PanzerBlitz!

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Then that means "mission accomplished!" for us!

@MathFunandGames Жыл бұрын

@@LegendaryTactics yep. I setup scenario 1 for PanzerBlitz using the German setup you used

@davidlewis2668 Жыл бұрын

The Avalon Hill and SPI board games like Panzerblitz and Gettysburg are great, especially the maps. Has anyone thought to put these old games on computer with an AI opponent? Also, the SPI games would work well.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

I'm sure they have - I just don't know if they would sell all that well. Maybe as a passion project?

@stephengamber7000 10 ай бұрын

I would pay to play with an AI opponent.

@briceyokem9236 Жыл бұрын

One thing you are missing is the SMG's can ride on the tanks. They have a defense factor of 1 when riding that way, so you need to keep them out of LOS of firing units

@robertovolpi Жыл бұрын

Great wargame and scenario for nostalgia.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Thank you, and thank you for watching!

@rummelsworth Жыл бұрын

Really, really enjoyed the video. As y'all noted in the video, it was a little "dirty" in terms of applying the rules, but that didn't detract from the enjoyment! It reminded me of playing PzB "again for the first time" about a year and a half ago with an old friend and PzB comrade from college, using first TTS and then Vassal. We've kept it up since then and are fully certified PzB rules lawyers now, lol... Anyway, best of luck in S2! The German force will need it!

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment, and thank you for your patience with us in getting some rules wrong!

@jonclark299 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for walking through the scenarios!

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

@okrajoe Жыл бұрын

Loved the video. Back in the day, I tried to get into PanzerBlitz but could just never get in the rhythm of the game.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Not every game is for everyone, but I'm glad that you've chosen to watch our coverage!

@uwebech5825 Жыл бұрын

Great gameplay video of the first scenario guys! It's one of my favorites. I noticed that the Russian took a few "liberties" with the stacking and road movement rules on entry though. :) This is really critical to this scenario IMO as it involves that player trying to sort out the road jam issues associated with an attack from the south. Awesome to watch and do keep it up with the following scenarios. A link to my mod would be appreciated to advertise TTS and the wargame modding community there a bit (if possible).

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

I was wondering about that. If the units move one by one, and you start with the higher movement factor units first, is there a substantial difference? For example, the units would move along the road, and there will be a couple instances at the very end of the unit's range when they may not be able to use the road movement to stack... I guess I'd have to play it out to see. I think we have fixed our gameplay for scenario 2, which we are doing now. I'm happy to link the mod in the description. How do you do that?

@majorintel9623 Жыл бұрын

There was an article in "The General" that had pointers on tactics. I still remember the line: "protect the woods down below, or there will be hill to pay."

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Ha ha, that sounds just like the General!

@chuckcribbs3398 Жыл бұрын

Is there an electronic version? How did you create these graphics?? Played the board game version for hours back in the early ‘80s with my brother.

@chaffsalvo Жыл бұрын

It looks like Tabletop Simulator to me, available on Steam

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Beat me to it! :)

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, we filmed this on Tabletop Simulator, and we did a video to show how to use it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eZiIadmZ0q7boWw.html

@WARdROBEPlaysWWII 6 ай бұрын

Amazing work.

@LegendaryTactics 5 ай бұрын

Thank you! Don't miss our strategy guide on the scenario (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nZmIpKpyqpuxj58.html), as well as Scenario 2 (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aMd6qM6p0LmulXk.html)!

@pacificostudios Жыл бұрын

I haven't played Panzer Blitz in decades, but I believe there is a mention in the rule book that says the ENTIRE hill on this board is orange hilltop squares; it isn't meant to be one flat mesa--which is a rare topographical feature in western Russia.. If that is true, long range fire is impossible on the mountain, and one can only attack a unit directly next to them.

@GrumblingGrognard Жыл бұрын

Such a great, playable game with so many scenarios available. Thanks for posting.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

You're welcome! Thanks for watching!

@captainnolan5062 Жыл бұрын

Just using the Opportunity Fire rule from Panzer Leader (in Panzerblitz) dramatically improves the game.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, I have heard that, and we are going to be moving into Panzer Leader later on this year. I have heard that it really makes a difference, but I thought we would play with the original rules first.

@captainnolan5062 Жыл бұрын

@@LegendaryTactics That makes sense (if you are trying to experience it as it was before Panzer Leader was released.

@MathFunandGames Жыл бұрын

I have the German setup in VASSL now for this scenario. I’m interested in how it might be possible to attack it.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

I will be publishing a little strategy guide next week with some ideas on how to tackle it

@christianpethukov8155 Жыл бұрын

I was alerted to the existence of this video a few days ago by a longtime wargaming enthusiast who along with others is trying to reestablish the popularity of PB. A great way to enhance the fun and realism is the use of 3mm picoarmor miniatures. Strongly encourage players to check out the excellent variety and quality of these game pieces.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

That sounds great! How do you display the counter stats? And where can people get them?

@GenghisVern Жыл бұрын

It was fun watching his attack develop. When-about was that General article published?

@soccerche Жыл бұрын

There is an excellent PB Gamers Guide, if you can track it down.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's from 1976. You can Google it and find a PDF - I'll be covering some stuff from it soon

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

It's actually from the PB Wargamers Guide from 1976, which I thought was a compilation of articles from the General, but apparently was its own thing

@majorintel9623 Жыл бұрын

As I recall, the cavalry can only move one hex when doing a close assault, and like an infantry unit, can't use road movement when doing a close assault. As someone must have noted, the infantry can ride on the tanks.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, you are right. I think that's why the author said that the cavalry were more valuable than the infantry, unless you are playing with the Panzer blitz rule in the infantry can hop off the tanks and close assault right afterwards. Although, I think that can only be done during an overrun attack? I'll just have to check that

@trlavalley9909 Жыл бұрын

@@LegendaryTactics Yes it's literally called a "Panzer Blitz" attack, but I'm pretty sure it was one of the optional rules.

@michaels.chupka9411 Жыл бұрын

I must admit to being a bit confused. is there now a computer based version of panzerblitz? and where is it being sold?

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

We played and filmed the game on Tabletop Simulator. We did a video about how to use it here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eZiIadmZ0q7boWw.html Hope it helps!

@michaels.chupka9411 Жыл бұрын

thank you for the prompt reply. I will follow your advice on the steam path.

@div7434 Жыл бұрын

The fort is located exactly three hexes away. "At least 3 hexes away" means you can use the 4th hex away, therefore the fort should be 4 hexes or more away. So the favorable placement of the fort in the woods is not allowed.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

I see what you're saying, but I got the placement of the fortification and setup overall from Avalon Hill itself, from the Wargamers Guide to Panzerblitz (1990). I read "at least three hexes away" to mean "a minimum of three hexes away", in which case the placement is fine. But I understand your interpretation, and I see how it might be ambiguous.

@CharlesFlahertyB 11 ай бұрын

what software are you using to play this game?

@captainnolan5062 Жыл бұрын

Troops can ride on the AFVs.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, as this was an early game in our experience with the game, we had forgotten that...

@div7434 Жыл бұрын

The german set up does not comply with the restrictions in the situation card. The fortifications must be on the hill numbers and the third fort must not be within three hexes of any other fort. Big difference in set up.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, but I am not sure what you mean...? Why doesn't the fortification on hex 2W6 count? It is at least 3 hexes away, which is correct according to the Situation # 1 card that I am looking at, which says "the third may be placed on any hilltop hex but at least three hexes from the nearest fort."

@div7434 Жыл бұрын

@@LegendaryTactics The fort is located exactly three hexes away. "At least 3 hexes away" means you can use the 4th hex away, therefore the fort should be 4 hexes or more away. So the favorable placement of the fort in the woods is not allowed.

@victorfinberg8595 10 ай бұрын

@@div7434 no, the video author is right. "at least 3" does NOT mean "more than 3"

@briceyokem9236 Жыл бұрын

Another mistake is you move vehicles (like wagons) first (before the Cavalry)

@MathFunandGames Жыл бұрын

The single infantry unit on the other side is critical. If they wasn’t there units could come right in, sit in the woods. and fire without return fire I believe. Units in woods need to be spotted I think. That is one of the quirks of PanzerBlitz (which is why it has the nickname PanzerBush!).

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

That is a great point, and makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing that up!

@sivoltage Жыл бұрын

Wow I used to love this game. But how are you moving the prices like this. Is this a pc game. I’m confused.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

We are playing it using Tabletop Simulator. Here is a link to a video where we teach you how to use it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eZiIadmZ0q7boWw.html

@div7434 Жыл бұрын

Is the game your using a pc game? If so where can we get it please?

@keithturnas6456 Жыл бұрын

It looks like TabletopSimulator. That can be found on Steam and has many free adaptations of classic games like this one.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

You beat me to it! LOL Thank you!

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, we filmed this on Tabletop Simulator, and we did a video to show how to use it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eZiIadmZ0q7boWw.html

@briceyokem9236 Жыл бұрын

You are over stacking the artillery. The wagons make your stack 4 high.

@rayvargas9383 Жыл бұрын

I guess im still not understanding some of the rules. On turn 2 the germans are alll on the hill. The reds are coming up on the slope why are they not firing. If I am on high ground I can see the enemy coming up. Granted you can only depress certain weapons only so far but cant understand why the germans had to wait till the russians were on top of them . Thanks. New to panzer blitz but not war gaming and avalon hill games.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

In this case, think of the top of Hill 132 as a plateau, and the Germans are set back a ways, meaning they can't see what is just over the lip of the hill. If any German units were at the edge of the hilltop, they certainly would be able to see and fire at the Russian units. And they would be exposed to fire from those Russians as well. From a technical perspective, the line of sight is being traced through to red hexides, which means the line of sight is blocked. Panzerblitz doesn't have opportunity fire either, so units can drive around at will without being shot at, it just matters where they settle. This opportunity fire rule was implemented for Panzer Leader, and many people play with it in Panzerblitz.

@stephengamber7000 10 ай бұрын

Wish there was a way to play this against an computer player

@LegendaryTactics 10 ай бұрын

I know! That would be awesome!

@robertmoffitt1336 Жыл бұрын

Guadalcanal, August 1942

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

If you want to hop onto our discord channel and shoot me your address, you will get the third copy of the game.

@robertmoffitt1336 Жыл бұрын

@@LegendaryTactics New to Discord, is there a link?

@robertmoffitt1336 Жыл бұрын

@@LegendaryTactics Nevermind, got it, info sent! Thanks!

@rapscallion3506 Жыл бұрын

Worth a sub to me!

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thank you, and welcome!

@fcolli8889 Жыл бұрын

I don't see how a draw is possible in this scenario. Seven German units eliminated is a German victory, and eight German units eliminated is a Russian win, disregarding levels of victory. Russian units destroyed don't affect the victory conditions at all.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, I see what you mean. Looking at it closely, I don't think a draw is possible...

@victorfinberg8595 10 ай бұрын

the middle option: clear out the woods north of bednost to get safe firing positions for the tanks. then swarm the middle fort. otherwise: there are hexes on the big hill that the 88s can't shoot at: V8,9 as well as a couple that only one 88 can see. the pure southern approach looks bad for the soviets. note that losing only one tank, the soviets expect to lose, as they can't realistically hurt the forts anymore.

@victorfinberg8595 10 ай бұрын

with this setup, the northern approach may be better. on turn 2, the soviet tanks start shooting at the fort (2-1, expecting D), as well as CATting (-2, looking for a DD). the germans can't shoot back. then rush the lone Sec in the N forest on the big hill. that's 6 VP. now flood the suburbs of Bednost, aiming to pick off two weak units for the win. on the face of it, this looks like a 50-50

@SeanCSHConsulting Жыл бұрын

Those Russian SMG units should have ridden in on the tanks.

@LegendaryTactics Жыл бұрын

Yes, I made a note of that at about the 5:00 mark or so. Thank you for pointing it out - we're still at the beginning of our PB careers!

@victorfinberg8595 10 ай бұрын

10:10 here's what should have happened on german first fire. a) 2xSec pick off one wagon b) 1x20mm pick off one wagon c) 88 on ONE tank -> dead d) shuffle the SMGs and ENGs around to get 2x 2/1 -2 CATs (guaranteed D, 50% X) this leaves 1x88, 1x20/4, 1x50mmAT, 1x20mm unfired. good options are a 4/1 on one more cav, or a 3/1 on one more tank ... and basically, the soviets can resign. eg. next turn, only the forts are spotted. one tank against a fort in the woods is 1/2 +1 and keep in mind, the soviets HAVE to kill at least one CP to win. Finally, victory conditions are based entirely on german casualties. by misreading the rules, 3 german units (or a couple more ?) died. this gives the germans a decisive (or major ?) victory. and incidentally, yes, you guys made a bunch of mistakes, administrative and tactical, but still did way better than a bunch of other people posting about this scenario.

@LegendaryTactics 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experience and insights! We are relatively new to the game, and our learning as we go. I'm sure our viewers appreciate your commentary as well!

@victorfinberg8595 9 ай бұрын

@@LegendaryTactics you guys are doing the major work. i'm only adding a couple of details