Disclaimer: This video is about my personal opinion on the product. This might not reflect your personal views and/or experience with it. As we all know, this hobby is subjective and YOU - the end user - is the only person that can decide what best suits your particular needs.

I recently purchased the First Watt F8 amp - It is incredible, just an amazing tone. I'm not saying I will not ever buy the Gryphon Essence amp, but for now, the FW is the best amp I have ever owned & that is my objective fact!

I'm not a Pass Labs guy , but I think it's a matter of taste. Some people love the Pass Labs sound and some people don't. I like Bryston , some people hate Bryston. Again , it's a matter of taste.

Totally disagree Nelson pass is a genius His designs are visionary Always pushing the boundaries His not loosing customers He doesn’t follow Trent’s like other high end companies audio jewellery high priced

Hi Jay, I enjoy your videos and envy your deep pockets. I also happen to own the very humble Pass Labs XA30.8 amp and XP22 preamp driving a set of humble Martin Logan Theos. I have to say the combination is a match made in heaven. Not everyone wants the ultimitate resolution in an amp. Martin Logans are notorious to reveal flaws in recording or upstream gear. The Pass combo gives enough beef on the bone to Theos perfect for my taste. Nelson Pass knows his business very well. And the Class A amps from Pass are for those, as you said, who want that tube sound without the hassle. And Pass Labs fills that niche market well. Do not complain about their heat generation or weight. If you do not want the heat, go with their AB amps. And please do not call Pass a mid-fi company!!!!! That is an utter insult to Nelson Pass. Look I have put together the amp/preamp for roughly $18K...not all of us have $50 or more to blow on hardware. Besides, Pass Labs XS line go up to six figures if bought combined - that ain't no mid-fi. Take care Jay.

Jay, though I value your opinion, IMHO, calling Pass labs "midfi" is somewhat misleading. You are one of the few people who has the ability/wherewithall to audition equipment that costs stratospheric prices. No doubt a Bugatti Bolide can outperform a Porsche 911 Carerra, but one is simply expensive and the other untouchable except for a select few. Perhaps it would be more fair to label Pass Labs amplifiers as an iconic, bulletproof brand that has stood the test of time and is "relatively" cost effective.....cutting edge tech is great, and I applaude it, and envey those who can enjoy it, but how many people have systems that cost as much as the average US home? Please do not lose sight of that.....

Your opinion... for me, Pass is one of the best brands in the World, compete directly with all high end brands.

Hi Jay! I agree with your robust character. Your presentation is clear, which woke me up to the fact that even the not-so state of the art "High End" amps in the used market are still expensive; more so - - Vintage. Last year I bought the iconic SP-3 Audio Research pre-amp paired with the D-51 power amp; both vacuum tubes vintage from the early 70's. The pair cost 8 to 10 times times the original price. This set up drives the 1963 Altec Valencia; tried with the Quad ESL-63 (feels under powered) so the umbilical cord reconnected to the Valencia pair. The ESL-63 still faithful to my cheap revered Audible Illusions Modulus-3 tube pre-amp and modified Hafler 500 solid state (at times, B&K ST-140 or ST 202 Plus). I am 78 years old and planning to upgrade my gear; but it does not make sense anymore. My impaired hearing loss [ besides my wife ] forbids the plan. Also, the fact that you conclude Pass Lab is "MID-FI" is really insulting to the Audiophile community; it's a shame. I would not mention this to my close buddy who owns the First Watt by Nelson Pass. Now, anyway, for the love and passion for MUSIC, who cares if I go to Best Buy and get a brand new GPX or maybe boss? My commander-in-chief will be happy and put that money aside for Max - our grandson. Meanwhile Jay, I profoundly beg that please do not attack the reputation of someone legendary who brought design excellence into the audio world. Enjoy the blessings of opulence discerning the musicality of the highest END amp. Happy listening. Happy Thanksgiving. Greetings from Chicago!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter what it is. That's what we have here, one man's opinion. This opinion comes from someone who simply wants something "new" - Yes, "new" seems to be very important to him, and that's just fine. But it's not for everyone. Thanks for the nice review, and I am glad to see that you are finding what it is that is important to you and your rig.

Jay appreciate your opinion. I have been listening to the channel for a bit, and whilst I have the utube issues, from my point of view (again a personal opinion), I think the three amps that really impressed “my sound” was the gryphon (Mephisto and essence), Merrill and the pass xa60. Value for money (given the high end nature of this channel) would be pass and essence. I have read on another blog that the pick of pass is the xa60 and xa160 (class a). Given it’s a power amp I’m willing to forgive innovation over substance and would happily go pass on the power amp; not so for pre and other components. The xa60 sounded that good to me. Keep up the good work buddy!

Being a member of DIY audio blog which Nelson himself is in dialogue often offers a bit of insight to perhaps his business model approach . 1 price point , Pass amps are not as expensive as many other brands yet are quite frankly near bullet proof. This is one of the reasons they are so heavy watt per watt , the power supplies in these things are serious. So with the pricing apparently gives a market share that they are comfortable with. As for sound , I do believe his best sounding gear is low watt stuff. int25 , some of the first watt models . He does try to build the simplest signal path possible for purity but also the stellar reliability his products have. I asked you before , why not try a few of his lower watt models ? Many of us live in that world including myself . With the right speaker synergy i find it sounds closer to live for my genres of music. High DB paper drivers , low watt , high current .

I've reached a point where I'm done being companies' beta testers for their engineers innovation. Especially at these prices. I prefer simplicity and reliability.

Very goofy. But who knows---maybe Nelson and Wayne will consult with Jay to "improve" their amps and preamps. Personally, I hope they don't. I don't want a world filled with products suited to just jay's taste.

Oh, really…. (?). The X-Model doesn’t run nearly as hot as my former KRELL monos. I really don’t have any issues at all anymore with heat regarding PASS power amps ( not speaking of the XS and XA models where I don’t have any personal experience with!). And I think I really HAVE to try a Gryphon Essence in comparison… to see or hear for myself if they sound better - not just different (?). Actually cannot imagine anything else than a different approach…but I respect your own experience. What actually didn’t convince me very much sonically were their preamps…but that might have improved in the recent years (haven’t checked it out the last years)… but what surprises me: I couldn’t recognize a big gap between your Pass amp sound and e.g. Gryphon Antileon or Essence regarding sound quality…more a slightly different tonality (as Nelson Pass idealizes the tubelike sound quality without the issues tubes can produce especially in POWER amps) , emphasis or „taste“ so to speak 🤷🏻🙂. P.S.: just listened again to Jay’s own comparison between the ‚Essence‘ and the X 350.8 because of that topic here …and I wholeheartedly must say that to my spoiled ears the Pass amp sounds better….better clarity and highs, better 3d image and just as good bass as the Essence IMHO. And NO…I am not a fan boy just because I own a pair of Pass’s amps. If I found the Essence better I would try to swap or sell the Pass and get the Gryphon…but right now: no need to become nervous in any kind of way! But check out for yourself, guys…that’s why I like Jay’s channel..you can always go back to his former videos and listen for yourself again kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jsqbY8KkutHXoXk.html Thumbs up!

Man you locked me in and kept my attention, I very much enjoyed this conversation. Thank you.

The maker of Pass Labs has been making new products. All of them are low watt and would not interest you.

I think that many of the new Luxman amps looks cheap and plastic like... I have owned much of the earlier days Luxman hifi.. It had great sound, COMBINED with great look 👍😊

14 minutes repeating "change for sake of change", useless

Totally disagree, sounds like nonsense, I have the Pass Xa25, it does ( NOT) get hot, and the sound to me is amazing.

Absolutely love this video. You’ll never convince the fan boys but your real audience here are the fence sitters. You’re doing the silent audience a huge favour so ignore the noise and keep them coming.

I have an Adcom 555 designed by Nelson Pass, it just sounds ‘right’ to my ears and I’ve owned or used Plinius and Perreaux in the past, both good, but both ‘hifi’ sounding. The Adcom just presents lush, rich music with a gorgeous tone and effortless fluidity.

very good video! this is very valuable for us people that have less funds to experience all this gear! thank you!

I have an advanced degree in ECE. Technically, this industry is *NOT* advancing at a rapid pace. Not relative to other industries. That being said, other engineers tend to view Nelson Pass as a genius as his innovations come in the form of circuit topologies. The art of doing more with less is very much his style. Is Class AB & D more efficient, and more likely to be more prevalent in the future of high-end audio? For sure. You have a very entertaining channel, and I value your opinion, but on this I respectfully disagree. 😁

Mcintosh just doing the same things just modernized the sound a bit but they're still the biggest brand in the block ...But they look really cool 😎 and their resale value is really good. On old tech hope you get to listen to old tube designs and large outrageous horns and feel what the fxxx have we been doing for decades we have not improves even regressed! Cheers for the videos!

Wow, damm, Bro ,you leaned into Pass pretty good. 😳😬. I respect your opinion though. I am a Pass user (XA Amps / XS Pre) . I got great deals on my stuff, affordable. Love that pure Class A sound. Will LAMM Audio get the same treatment ?. How about the Kondo Audio Note Ongaku ?. Some of the Lamm gear is going on at least 12-13 years. The Ongaku I remember from I think, the 80s ?. It’s all about what you like. I read some great comments here. Excellent job. 👍🏽

Pass Labs and First Watt probably create more designs than anyone else, you lost me there. The whole point of the First Watt lineup is to try new techniques. As to the comment about the very best amplifiers…. The very best amplifiers are now class D. They’re lower distortion than basically anything else, more efficient, and more transparent. They don’t impart warmth, however, so if you’re seeking that… it’s not for you. There’s very little that can touch a good Purifi based amplifier in terms of what I mentioned. Pass amps are warm and have nice tonality. I still have an Aleph amplifier and loved the F5 I owned, but I didn’t go for the high wattage amplifiers because of how inefficient they are. Edit: thanks for sharing your opinion, though. I disagree on the points I mentioned, but you’re definitely not entirely wrong. What people enjoy in amplification is incredibly subjective because technical performance can sound boring. I put together a super low distortion front end that sounds breathtaking on well recorded tracks, but somewhat lifeless on normal stuff. I took out my high end low distortion preamplifier and put in some tubes and it brought those to life. There was definitely a cost, so you just have to choose for yourself.

PASS IS MID-FI? Wow- that’s news to me…

Hi Jay. I believe in what You are telling, about the need for Pass Labs to employing new engineers. To get new, and maybe better ideas, in building amps.. But look what happened to Mark Levinson, when he "left the building", and some new guys took over.. The sound did not automaticly getting better..So Pass Labs need to be very accurate in their emplloying new folks

Hi Jay. I watched this video with particular interest. You have access to far more hi end gear than I do, and I can respect that you have formulated opinions based on this. As far as Pass Labs is concerned, I have no dog in that fight. However, I don’t find your assessment of the state of hi end audio of much value, when you paint with broad strokes. You, like others in this hobby, have specific likes and dislikes. That is why no two manufacturers produce equipment that sound the same. There is no such thing as perfect here, only what we enjoy. There have been manufacturers that have tried to innovate, with excellent sounding efficient amplifiers. Yet, no one was interested in, for example, a class D amplifier from a company that is renowned for its class A design’s. Further, I would only offer this friendly bit of advice: try to avoid the perception of being myopic by stating things like: there are only a few amplifiers, like Boulder and Gryphon, that in your opinion, are the best of the best. When you make claims like this, you risk diminishing your credibility as a consultant. It is for this reason that I perceive you as nothing more than a fellow audiophile, only with a bigger pocketbook, with his own experiences and conclusions. In that context, I can appreciate your journey and experiences, though it would be difficult, for me, to seek out your services as a consultant. I truly mean no disrespect, I only wish to shine a light on the fact that rarely do two audiophiles agree on what’s best in class, for the simple reason that rarely do any two audiophiles have the same sensory experiences or objectives as you (or I)have. I also don’t wish to diminish the value of your personal audio journey, only that you might consider that others find audio fidelity in some of the brands you may not. And each for their own reasons. I would be happy to share my choices, and my reasons, offline, if you’re interested. I think it may shed a light on some things you might not have considered. I do enjoy your channel, and wish you well in your audio adventures. All the best to you!

Your Pass Cons are legit and I own one. The new stuff from Pass is in First Watt.

Maybe some just like the allegedly mid fi sound that pass/Nelson has to offer Jay! Rocking a firstwatt SIT-2 (just 8 watts) with XP-22 pre, cube audio nenuphar and cube audio subs. I wish you could try some efficient setup like this yourself sometimes, you might get a bit of a shock))

BAWHAHAHA! Jay just said that Pass Labs was "mid-fi gear!!" Dagger to the hifi heart!!! Lol, he just put Pass into the Parasound, Emotiva Rotel, Marantz catagory!! Low blow, bro!! Ouch!

Jay, this is the type of honesty that greatly helps brands grow and they need to hear this and make a decision as to what they want to be going forward. You had very fair points and a clear analysis. This was my favorite video from your channel so far.

I forgot to say, Jay, you are in the top three most entertaining youtubers, along with Ron & Andrew - Keep it up sir!

they keep using the same toshiba jfet and mosfet in preamp and amps so that makes sense to what you're stated. also ayre use the same jfet and mosfet as well you can't buy those transistors anymore. the reason they use the same transistors is because the item measure well and sound good. All audio products to me is a work in progress and waiting game for new ideas.

I think most of his circuit innovation stems from his Firstwatt products. He tends to play around with unique circuit topologies and odd components there. If he likes them enough, he implements them into the Pass stuff. Hence the XS series.

Absolutely spot on Jay! I am an analog dinosaur, that has been forced into the digital world through new technologies in sound recording boards for my home Church! You have been a Great motivating force for me to update my understanding of Newer Equipment and Amplification! Thank you for your truthful introspection on staying fresh and up to date! GOD Bless!

It should be noted that yourComments are premised upon loudspeakers that are essentially utilizing a crossover and are not dipole in nature. System synergy plays a very big part of how an amplifier is going to sound on a particular set of loudspeakers. We have tried many other brands of amps on the GT audio work speakers which are extremely unique in the marketplace and that they do not utilize any crossover on the main planar magnetic panel.With that being said it should be noted that you were listening to every amplifier hooked up to the speakers through a crossover which will affect the sonics and how the amplifier ultimately will sound. I welcome you to hear the GT speakers with a Pass Labs amps and I am sure you will have an Epiphany.

Totally agree with you, Pass, Mc, Krell are all MID Fi with different flavors.

A fresh approach comes to mind with innovation --- AGD Productions and Class D GaNTube technology --- heat is not an issue. I agree that excessive heat from audio components is not good and a turn off for a lot of audiophiles.

Supposedly there is an update to .8 amps coming that will be based on the topology of the XA-25 which is far different than all their other amps.

Agreeing with you or not is beside the point. Thank you Jay for triggering a great thread of comments about "what best means," "innovative disruptions vs incremental improvements", or even the necessary pursuit of efficiency (be it for energy, materials or else). Thanks for creating such great conversation Jay!

Those two lights reflecting in your head .Make you look like with little devilish horns.But your reasoning is correct

People don't want to spend 100k to find the product is obsolete in two years. Pass Labs equipment retains its resale value over an extended period of time. This shows a concern for customers investment to Pass Lab's. Pass Labs has excellent customer service and quality control. Jay I enjoyed the ride but its time for me to let you go. I wish you the best.

I applaud Jay and his resourcefulness. His ability to personally audition the best equipment in the world and share his thoughts is pretty amazing - so is his energy. No wonder he's in such good shape! My only input here is that I went from Krell (FBP mono's) to PS Audio mono's to D'Agostino Momentum Mono's and then to Pass Labs XA160.8's and find them best for me, in my room, with everything else staying the same. All source elements, cables, furniture, etc. His ears are his.....but the dynamic way a good number of other pieces move in and out can make comparisons difficult

I agree with both videos. Same I heard. But I only slightly disagree with Pass Labs not reacting to cables. That many times is half because of the streamer, with Pass Labs and Mcintosh you can save a lot of money by going all in on the streamer, then they will react a lot more with cables. Plus Pass Labs is a bit hollow/grey, so what people usually do it subconsciously gravitate towards cables like cardas and such that are warmer, which then makes the other cables on the system react slightly less compared to more normal cables on the market that perhaps are a bit more neutral.

I think the credibility of your opinion would be more valid if you compared all these amps with the same speakers. You often change speakers and amps within a short period of time. Your all over the board with so much equipment over short periods of time. Did you try the Pass amps with those speakers flanking you? Maybe the synergy of Pass amps and those speakers next to you would be better? I don’t have a dog in this race as I’ve never heard a Pass Labs amp in person, but your opinion doesn’t seem to be based on an apples to apples comparisons. You might coincidentally be right on the money with your assessments, but without direct comparisons with the same speakers, one could only conclude that your opinion isn’t a fair or scientific one. This applies to any amp or speakers, not just Pass. Having said all that, I do enjoy your videos.

Love your honesty Jay, with all your equipment that comes into your room.

it seems to me that many people compare Pass to Mcintosh when looking in to amplification. I appreciate your opinion on Pass. Do you also consider Mcintosh mid-fi?

As a fans of Pass Labs, I do not quit agree with Pass Labs been “midFi”, especially considering Pass Labs XS300 was named one of the best amplifiers ever, and be favored over the Dan D’Agostino Momentum M400 in Jay’s own previous reviews. However, I do agree Pass Labs has been idling too long without coming out with any innovation design or product. And not been able to eco-friendly, and need to warm up for two days before sounding great are just not acceptable by any measure.

"I refuse to buy old technology ...!!" Who bought all those Pass Labs products you had on your channel??🤔

Real Hifi completely trashed Pass Labs saying it wasn't high end hardware at all.

Mid Hi.... OUCHERS!!!!!!!!! Hey guys think about all the Pass Labs Amps that will hit the used market because of this video lol!!! Its a good time to be an Audiophile. Thanks Jay

I disagree with you. old is gold new is shit. People used to make amplifiers with their own hands and now amplifiers are are mate in smt machines. Analog is king when it comes to sound. Real audiophiles but Single Ended Triodes amps not the amps your talking about. You are talking about amps that cost more than a budget car. Most people don't have that kind of money so they never gonna hear it. I bet old amps are more enjoyable than these new overpriced amps.

Excellent video, please keep it up Jay!

So in your amp reviews on Audiogon you clearly said the X250.8 was the best stereo amp you had heard and when the money was available a X350.8 was your dream amp. Am I wrong? What has changed?

Hey Jay, your first point is pretty serious, it's a big statement. You said Pass does everything well but nothing excellent, and that there is a clear separation between pass and the best stuff. But...Pass's flagship products are priced in that top tier category, I'm talking 100-200k for amp/preamp. In your opinion, which companies are clearly a step above Pass in excellence?

Hi Jay, I can't properly place this video in relation to your videos regarding the XA60 monos….

A tad unfair. Nelson Pass makes some very inventive and experimental low wattage amps under the FirstWatt brand that can achieve great results when paired with the right low impedance speakers, and at a price ordinary folks can afford. Heck, the Pass Labs XA25 is one of the most transparent sounding amps on the planet, and a bargain to boot.

There are MANY different Pass amps, so its ridiculous to say they dont excel (then why do most reviewers love their stuff??) Also you are often biased because they dont cost $50k. Cost bias is REAL, and you feel like many here that the more something is, the better it is. Also YOU ARE WRONG about pass not designing a "sliding bias" design (Try the X Series)!

A video to be remembered for Jay’s honesty, directness, courage, and business vision. Perhaps a learning moment for three audiences: the audiophiles like me, the high-end equipment designers/marketing folks and, not the least, the Stereophile and TAS reviewers. Yes, this is Jay’s personal opinion, yet communicating clearly multiple important technical and business strategy points. Thanks, Jay!

Hi Jay, do you purchase all these hi end audio items?... Or are they on loan from a dealer, importer or manufacturer ?

Really enjoying this content. Please speak about more brands as u have so much experience

i hear no lie. This is the hard truth right here

I appreciate the points made but I’ve heard some carefully put together vintage systems in Japan that absolutely smoke some cutting edge products of today. Horses for courses!!!

I love Pass labs I disagree with your cons Jay , their products are highly regarded by world class audiophiles critiques

Jay just a further thought; I think your cons are a little excessive. During the last year, it is your second most used amp. And some of the comparisons have been, well very much against pass. I.e. essence v 350.8 & 600.8. Class a v ab. Why not essence v ax.60 or 160.. As a consumer, dealing with diminishing returns, I would probably have pass xa160 v essence. To me similar sound, pass@ $44k v essence @ $66k (in oz). Simple. Happy camper.

This is invaluable advice. Thank you very much

Never change a winning team Jay?!And what about Spectral,a 100 years the same but still sells.

Nelson Pass likes to set the bias very high, thus the heat output in his components.

Good is the enemy of great.

Just a note about Pass Labs: People are still tying Nelson Pass with Pass Labs thinking he is still a part of their sound. He has been engineering his own line for some time called First Watt. If Nelson was still part of them then maybe or more probably Pass Labs would have a different sound!

I have a neighbor who has a pass labs amp. My son, who is a graduate from the 2nd best music school in the country, would always make fun of this neighbor, because his system sounded, well-average. A total waste of money. My $1,500 system sounds as good as his $4k-$6k system. Yeah, we always get a big chuckle.

Heat aside..Maybe PASS just understands the law of diminishing returns.

why dont you incorporate yourself with those addons, complications, potential distortions switching heat reducer circuits, you dont know electronics, your ear does not know how hear natural sounds, etc. Pass Labs amplifiers are minimalist, extremely high performance, the heat ensures Class A all the time, easy troubleshooting and upgrade for performance and power. Affordable.

This channel amply illustrates an audio truism, that some people will never get it. Listen to the music. Jay must have been frightened by a very hot amp when he was young and for that reason, cannot accept the sound of Nelson's wonderful amps as a result. It's so sad. Carry on wearing your shirts backwards and enjoying the sound of your own voice if you want to.

yea pass labs plain sucks, send me all your equipment ill take care of that shit for u :P

Great video! I would love to see a Pass Labs vs Coda shootout. Coda’s Stereo 16.0 is a pretty impressive amp (from what I have read and heard).

Not sure if any pass labs engineers are heading for the door, but if nothing else one man's opinion can only be heard if voiced! Good on ya lad!

I think all of your points are valid, but some of them are characteristics like heat are part of class A equipment. As for the need to change, I’ve watched interviews with him and I don’t think Nelson Pass really cares to innovate/pander to a new audience. He makes a small amount of whatever model and only keeps the older models available if there’s demand for them. He’s really focusing on First Watt stuff now, isn’t he?

why dont you say nelson pass

Pandora vs C900U. THAT I would find a compelling comparison. Im sure the Gryphon is better BUT enough to warrant all the extra dough (Law of diminishing returns) in your opinion?

I can't compare new stuff because no high end manufacturers show their topology or their insides!

Nelson's circuits are elegantly simple, its by design going back to his Threshold days. Compare Levinson and Krell from back in the day against Nelson's amps and you would say the same then as you do now. Thank goodness for choices, don't like Pass, there are PLENTY of alternatives.

Any opinions on the XP-12 preamp? A stretch for me but one that is on my list.

Long time follower of your Chanel Jay. Thanks for your hard work and being real about your findings. Can you do a video based on your experience so far what is top brand speaker, amp, pre-amp, DAC, Etc.?

Love Your channel. Very interesting stuff. Do you have any experience with Coda?

I own pass labs all class a power amps ..monoblocs and vertically biamped… I use a Thrax Dionysus pre and Orpheus phono .. in fact your cons are reasonable observations.

kool... new info

Thanks for your insight, Jay. Much appreciated. What about Accuphae compared to Pass Labs or Luxman? ßAll three brands are in a similar price range with their products.

I think that he into high-powered gear. The lower power Pass Labs or First Watt products have simpler designs and less parts in the output stages and likely sound better than the highest power products. Using 4 ohm speakers with a meter hooked up, 20 watt peaks are too loud for me. I think audio gear is like American cars, bigger is better. I don’t think it’s true; I think it just generates bigger sales revenue. People rave about products like the INT-25 or INT-60 as well as the First Watt products.

Yeah, this just turned me off to this channel. Sure there are stuff that sound better, thats just how it is. There is always the next best thing. Saying that Pass needs to ditch Nelson, to add gimmicks, and whining about a known quantity like hear, you’ve gone on another lane. KZfaq fame seems to have gone to your head. Hard pass.

what is excellent?

Its roasting time for Pass Labs😂🤣🤣

Wow ! I left hoping that when I came back you would have had the sense to ditch those ancient monstrosities speakers that are way to big for your tinnie winnie room . That said it is very funny watching you in your muscle shirt calling Pass labs an old design when Gryphon and Wilson haven't changed much in years due to their philosophy of keeping old designs . I like the muscle shirt thing but if you are going to do that may I suggest you take it easy on the donuts ? Good Luck ! See you in a few months . Hopefully by then the soap opera will move its story along .

I enjoy a wonderful audio reproduction system. It took years of study and several hundred thousand dollars. At least, this fellow, albeit a bit slow for me (not him!), In general I think that Jay gets it. Thanks man!

Hello how do you rate Jeff Rowland 625s2 power amps ? I think they sound very musical and detailed almost reaching the top maybe a shade lower than MSB or Boulder

They may not excell at any audio spectrum but there are no shorcomings either compared to products that will give you fatigue...

Hey Jay, you call Pass stuff “mid-if” ? Hahaha .. for me and at least 10 people I know it is high-end bro’. I have XA 30.8 with Lampizator pre/dac on it and absolutely satisfied with the sound. Previously I was on D class - Primare and Devialet - not even close to Pass Labs.

Jay, Very good reviews - I prefer these comments videos. Jay, I've got a tube power amplifier 30w class A. Can any Wilson Audio speakers like the bookshelf speakers work well?