Parting-off on the Lathe - Rigidity, Rigidity... and a Spring!

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NBR Works

NBR Works

Күн бұрын

After upgrading my lathe to use a solid tool post mount, I'm looking to further improve its capability to part-off stock.
Curiosity took the best of me this time and I'll be making a Spring type part-off tool holder to support 2 different blades.
Timestamps:
00:00 Hello
00:19 My new part-off blade
01:05 Let's make a blade holder
03:14 Cutting the AXA tool holder dovetail
05:31 Figuring out the blade position
07:02 Machining a slot for the blade
09:04 Making the blade clamp
12:22 Big chamfer on the front
12:53 Old me parting-off
13:26 Thanks Winky's Workshop
13:55 Let it flex
14:45 Tool holder height adjuster
14:56 Knurling
16:40 Broken tap
19:55 Finished tool holder
21:51 Tests: mild steel
24:17 Tests: 4140
25:18 Tests: Stainless Steel
27:20 Tests: Aluminum
27:59 Conclusion
#lathe #diy #machineshop
All functional credit of this tool goes to the Winky's Workshop youtube channel, namely the inspiration given by this video: • Spring Cut Off Evoluti...
Blade used in the video (affiliate link): amzn.to/47jsJWx

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@WinkysWorkshop
@WinkysWorkshop 6 ай бұрын
Hey... your version is better than mine! Ha
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Hi Mark, very cool having you watching my take on your design. Thank you so much for sharing your many attempts to get a cut off tool that performs well and then share the plans with everybody!
@qwertyui90qwertyui90
@qwertyui90qwertyui90 2 ай бұрын
@@nbrworks Any chance you guys would make these for others ? I don't have a mill, or even 10% of the tools you guys do.
@EDesigns_FL
@EDesigns_FL 6 ай бұрын
The principle behind this type of tool holder is to raise the fulcrum location. Ideally, it should be above the cutting edge, so that if the blade binds, it will automatically swing away to reduce engagement. This design used to be popular for lathes with threaded on chucks that could not be run backwards. On lathes that can be run backwards, simply flipping the blade/parting tool upside down and running the lathe in reverse will accomplish the same thing. Flex in the compound, which normally places the fulcrum location beneath a conventionally mounted tool and cause the cutting edge to dig in deep when loaded, will reduce engagement on an inverted tool running in reverse.
@lesmaybury793
@lesmaybury793 6 ай бұрын
Good explanation and, having used a spring parting off holder I can see that you are correct. Also, the amount of spring seems uncritical as the tool will always flex just enough to unload it then feed in again. This seems to be the cause of the initial chatter one hears on first engaging the cut, until it settles at some equilibrium.
@hashgeek929
@hashgeek929 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the really clear explanation of why this works! The idea of turning a weakness in a system into an advantage for a task is so often counterintuitive that it isn’t even considered.
@StyxHackshop
@StyxHackshop 6 ай бұрын
I never figured why the inverted parting tool trick was always reportedly so successful - great explanation, thank you!
@gonkmeat
@gonkmeat 5 ай бұрын
Can't wait to try this.Thank you!
@MuellerNick
@MuellerNick 5 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to have to tell you, that the saddle doesn't have provisions to prevent lifting off the front. But it does have a clamp to hold the read down tight. So running the lathe in reverse reduces the rigidity. The only reason why this might help is because usually the rear of the cross slide is worn out less. -> repair your lathe!
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes 6 ай бұрын
This tool holder is overkill and I love it.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
I thought you would like it! 😅
@StyxHackshop
@StyxHackshop 6 ай бұрын
Even a hacksaw used in its creation!
@InheritanceMachining
@InheritanceMachining 6 ай бұрын
I cursed with you on that broken tap 😂 Very clever design and execution. I might need to make one as well since I have several T type blades and no way to hold them!
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Hi Brandon! Nice to see you here. That broken tap...! I was extra cautious cleaning the chips and adding fluid. I was feeling the gummyness and taking things slowly... and then it broke with just a couple of threads to go! I went through the roof very fast 😄 but hey, at least I learned how to remove it. Can't wait to see your take on this!
@InheritanceMachining
@InheritanceMachining 6 ай бұрын
@@nbrworks I know the feeling so well!! I need to increase my carbide mill/drill collection just so I can be prepared when that happens to me 😅 You saved that masterfully
@Mike-lt6sj
@Mike-lt6sj 5 ай бұрын
This just reaffirms my love for two-flute spiral-point taps. Even though that hole was pretty blind, OSG hypro ftw.
@mailleweaver
@mailleweaver 6 ай бұрын
That had to be incredibly satisfying seeing how well it worked in the end. And since you made the thing yourself, you didn't just reduce your future parting operations, you turned them into a pleasure since you can now feel a bit of pride in knowing every time that it was your own work that solved that stress and wasn't just another purchase of someone else's work.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
The first time I tried it I was very conservative and cautious (I was afraid it would break). Imagine my surprise to see it cutting steel like it was nothing. I was very excited that day!!
@SUNEELKANDA
@SUNEELKANDA 2 ай бұрын
I saw this video sometimes before and forgot to hit the like button, but now again I searched it and saw the whole process again and hit the like and subscribed to this channel. I'll download this video to see it again, whenever I need to design something else using your technology. Grab Love from India Uttar Pradesh Agra The City of Taj Mahal, Do meet me whenever you plan to visit India.....
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful.
@Just1GuyMetalworks
@Just1GuyMetalworks 6 ай бұрын
Well done! 😃 Parting is often the bane of my existence lol. Great video 👍😁👍. Cheers!
@CanadianPenguin_
@CanadianPenguin_ 5 ай бұрын
17:50 Most of the machine shops I've worked at we save carbide endmills with chipped flutes, tips, or dull specifically for broken bolt and HSS tap removal. We crank the machines rpm to then sorta feed by feel, also the same thing can be done with a cordless drill for large equipment or Onsight repair just need to be carful of drifting with a hand drill.
@peterpocock9062
@peterpocock9062 5 ай бұрын
When you broke the tap, my heart sank, If it's raining virgin's you know you are going to miss out! But, I like the way you managed to save the day. Well done.😊
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 5 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Argent911
@Argent911 6 ай бұрын
This is amazing! You just added a new project to my ever-growing list.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Ah! Know how that feels! Glad to help making that list grow 😅
@mosfet500
@mosfet500 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, the trick to cutting off is to mount the blade upside down and run the lathe in reverse if you can. If you can't you have to cut from the back side of the cross slide. If the blade binds it swings down away from the part and all the swarf runs out the bottom, not on top of the tool.
@lesmaybury793
@lesmaybury793 6 ай бұрын
Excellent result. I also was inspired by the Winky spring parting off blade holder so made one. I based mine on the original Armstrong design. My lathe is tiny so parting was always scary! It works a treat. The only negative is that it cuts slightly dished with no obvious reason. Watching this video I will try clamping on the bottom as that seems a good idea.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Did you check if your blade is square to the work? Or if the tip is ground square to the blade or if it's ground slightly towards the chuck or tailstock? Also, how are you holding the blade and what size of blade are you using? I'm asking this because I can imagine my 'not so tall' blade flexing if it didn't have good support and if it wasn't square to the work. Maybe that's causing it to dish? Just a thought. I decided to support/hold my blade with 4 screws from the bottom because I was afraid the washer might let the blade slip (it also allowed me to better support the 2 blades).
@AdrianTechWizard
@AdrianTechWizard 6 ай бұрын
Nice one! I've never seen parting-off be so easy :)
@GoPaintman
@GoPaintman 6 ай бұрын
I was super excited to see this double feature tool-build. Awesome video!
@jmtx.
@jmtx. 6 ай бұрын
Wow, definitely a game-changer! Awesome build!
@ingvarbergstrom7260
@ingvarbergstrom7260 5 ай бұрын
You have deserved every credit given for this video. However I've noticed that you part-off with constant speed. Thus you have the correct cutting speed only at one depth during the cut, or not at all if you start too slow. By adjusting speed all through the cut has helped me to get good results on my (Chinese...) minilathe. A beautiful video anyhow./Ingvar
@Dogfather66227
@Dogfather66227 6 ай бұрын
Subscribed. Really nice adaptation of an interesting design. Now I need to make one. Not sure if anyone else noticed the first-rate camera work, clean audio and great scene composition but to me this seems a bit like Inheritance Machining with smaller equipment and a different back-story. At 3.2K subscribers today I feel like I’m getting in on the ground floor of something. . .
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for subscribing and the big compliment. Inheritance Machining is in a league of its own, it's really impressive what Brandon and Paige are achieving. Can't imagine the hours and hard work! All the success is well deserved. This video is doing well, but the best outcome of this has to be having more than 100 comments and not a single one (so far) of 'bad taste'. I thought this tool could raise some controversy but I'm gobsmacked seeing people talking to each other so respectfully about why it works and other technical aspects. Warms my heart. My backstory... maybe one day ;) Thank you
@joewhitney4097
@joewhitney4097 6 ай бұрын
Great video, your design worked well. The test cuts and speeds showed a great new tool. Thanks for sharing.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you like it!
@WeldingMask
@WeldingMask 5 ай бұрын
創意工夫、細心の注意、そして創造性の高さ
@MagnetOnlyMotors
@MagnetOnlyMotors 6 ай бұрын
Fabulous work ! 😊
@stewartfrye
@stewartfrye 6 ай бұрын
Excellent build congrats
@billdoodson4232
@billdoodson4232 6 ай бұрын
Well to say that is an impressive end result would be an understatement.
@lste
@lste 6 ай бұрын
Very interesting to see you dealing with the broken tap.
@StyxHackshop
@StyxHackshop 6 ай бұрын
Beautiful tool and incredible result!
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks and welcome! Glad you liked the video and the comments section 😅
@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391
@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 6 ай бұрын
I made a swan neck parting off tool out of a carbide tipped circular saw blade, plenty of flex but it worked lovely.
@Michel-Uphoff
@Michel-Uphoff 3 ай бұрын
Very well executed. Hats off.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Michel!
@DK-vx1zc
@DK-vx1zc 5 ай бұрын
Great job, great narration, great videography!
@dougmorgan6616
@dougmorgan6616 6 ай бұрын
One of my one day projects is to make the same type of tool holder but for a smaller lathe with a smaller tool post. I was struggling to come up with a clamping method. Thanks for showing me the way.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
No problem, glad you found it useful!
@kentuckytrapper780
@kentuckytrapper780 6 ай бұрын
I'd say you nailed it,excellent job..
@boshclan
@boshclan 5 ай бұрын
Merry Xmas. Thanks for the videos. It's very appreciated, I have been through the treatment in 2017 and know how hard it is, God bless. Regards from ireland
@adhawk5632
@adhawk5632 6 ай бұрын
One of your best vids yet. Nice one👍👌🇦🇺
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Nice to see you coming back!
@guye7763
@guye7763 6 ай бұрын
Well done, great video.
@doppler3237
@doppler3237 5 ай бұрын
really nice work
@oscardavidbenedetto4374
@oscardavidbenedetto4374 5 ай бұрын
Espectacular, El Porta Herramientas !!
@ryebis
@ryebis 4 ай бұрын
Nice work, very thoughtful and well explained. I normally part off with the tool upside down, which prevents the tool from getting pulled in while also allowing the chips to fall out. I should try replicating your design. It's quite hard to get good quality HSS parting blades these days in my part of the world, the one I could find costs an arm and a leg. Everyone's moved on to carbide tools.
@JaredBrewerAerospace
@JaredBrewerAerospace 2 ай бұрын
@3:15 Having converted my only mill to CNC, I say to myself, "First, I sit at my computer and spend more time modeling the part than I would have spent cutting it manually."
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 2 ай бұрын
Computers... can't live with them, can't live without them!
@frash5230
@frash5230 6 ай бұрын
Amazing video of making a great tool. Seldomly I can watch a half hour video without going fast forward. Here I did. It was exciting as a thriller. Very well done, Sir!!!
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks, that's too kind 🙂
@cassiusclay7482
@cassiusclay7482 5 ай бұрын
Bravo bon travail merci pour le partage
@jimburnsjr.
@jimburnsjr. 6 ай бұрын
excellent video and work all around.. subbed; thank you.
@danielepavone3131
@danielepavone3131 6 ай бұрын
Although a pretty sensible accessory, present day machining is incompatible with this sort of tools. Throwaway carbide tip parting blades ranging from 1mm to 10mm standard come in different grades for different materials, have a high cutting speed (100 m/min easily) and feed rates (0.05-0.1). Replacing the tip requires just a few seconds and the CNC will be reset to the correct measure after the very first cut. Most of the blades are provided with a positive backstop preventing the tip from digging into the holder, thus ensuring constant accuracy when cutting grooves to a precise size. Since all production tools are standardised as regard height and width of tip, no need to check for correct centre height and their price is not exorbitant either. Anyway, a good excercise in fitting. Also, I cannot help noticing how well kept is the surface of your table, well done!
@MASI_forging
@MASI_forging 6 ай бұрын
Such a great work👍👍
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks Masi!
@chrissmith7655
@chrissmith7655 6 ай бұрын
Never heard of coolant, makes cutters last a lot longer?
@BEYTEK
@BEYTEK 6 ай бұрын
awsome job dude
@machineworld1873
@machineworld1873 5 ай бұрын
I CALL YOU KING OF CUT
@paulthomson2375
@paulthomson2375 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting, excellent work. I am an old automatic lathe setter, when grinding the front face of the parting tool we would angle the face from 90deg to approximately 120 deg this gives the job a far better finish with little or no ‘Pip’, the piece is not broken or pushed off but cut right to the end.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for that. If you look at the chip formation on the 0.5mm test, you can tell I have it slightly angled. That was on purpose to achieve what you describe, but I think the angle was not enough as it didn't make much of a difference. I didn't play more with that because I thought a more aggressive angle would push the blade into the work (these blades are thin and will bend) and make a concave face. But with time, I will give it another go. Thanks for your input!
@MegaChekov
@MegaChekov 6 ай бұрын
well done all the best to you and yours from John in Texas
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks John. Same to you 🙂
@MetalWorkerTools
@MetalWorkerTools 6 ай бұрын
Great video and well explained, thanks for sharing. I think the rigid solid tool post makes a huge difference. I always part of (SP200 insert) using the tool upside down that has the same effect as using the tool at the back of the lathe. I have a Tapered HSS-Co blade laying for some time now. I put it on my to do list to see how it compares to my current setup.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Zt3v3
@Zt3v3 6 ай бұрын
Excellent.
@ThePottingShedWorkshop
@ThePottingShedWorkshop 6 ай бұрын
A very good design and result. I don't however you've seen the worst of what happens when parting goes wrong. I used to have a minilathe. When parting went wrong, it stalled. OK, not great, but I upgraded to a well used Harrison M300. 3HP motor plus geared head. When parting went wrong, it would snap the blade with an almighty BANG! embedding shards of the parting blade in the work and leaving me very nervous about parting! However, I'm encouraged to watch more of your videos so you've earned another subscriber.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for subscribing. You're right, I didn't have a blade breaking yet, and one should respect this operation (as many others). As I say at the end of the video, I don't normally run my machinery hard, but for the video I had to show you the difference the tool made, hence risking it a little bit more. Thanks for the warning, it's sincerely appreciated 😉
@DonAsk-ks2qy
@DonAsk-ks2qy 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@darrenfloen2693
@darrenfloen2693 6 ай бұрын
very nice!
@sundarAKintelart
@sundarAKintelart 6 ай бұрын
Excellent
@TheDistur
@TheDistur 6 ай бұрын
That's awesome.
@firstmkb
@firstmkb 6 ай бұрын
I was cheering for you when that tap deserted you! Nice recovery!
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@ParsMaker
@ParsMaker 6 ай бұрын
Nice work
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@404BYTE
@404BYTE 6 ай бұрын
Very impressive rigidity for a mini lathe
@patrickmazzone9066
@patrickmazzone9066 6 ай бұрын
Excellant tool
@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian
@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian 6 ай бұрын
Exceptional in all respects 👌👏👏👍😎
@tsmartin
@tsmartin 6 ай бұрын
RE: Breaking tap. Something I do when there is a long distance to tap is ... if the design will allow it ... to counter bore the hole further to reduce the distance you have to tap. I think you said that part was 18mm wide. I would think only 8mm or so is all that needs to be treaded.
@evzone84
@evzone84 6 ай бұрын
Brilliant. I'm jealous
@HariomKumar-hs5gt
@HariomKumar-hs5gt 6 ай бұрын
I had a very hard time parting off 2" aluminium round stock then someone suggested to give clearance along the length of the feeding direction, meaning cutting edge reduces along the length and it worked like a charm with good finishing. I cannot imagine now using a tool without grinding along the length but you here made a clean cut without your tool digging sideways. I guess i will try it use it, as my method reduces the strength of tool and regrinding tool tip 2 or 3 time makes the whole grinded length a waste
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
I can see the downside with that method, yes. Another thing that helped me before I made this tool was to progressively widen the slot with the part off blade. I'm not sure why that helped (maybe less rubbing on the sides?) but it did, and it's also safer because it accumulates less chips in the groove. But even doing that my lathe would stall frequently. If you want to try this tool with less effort making it, have a look at Winky's plans (link in the description). Thanks
@angrydragonslayer
@angrydragonslayer 6 ай бұрын
a few recommendations that might seem weird (or you might have drilled into you from shop class) Most threads are made to tolerances rather than to nominal. if your taps are 6H (the standard, at least to me) then the M4 tap will cut the tapped hole to a minor diameter of 3.422 meaning you could use a 3.4 drill instead of a 3.3 and thus not only save wear on your taps but also massively reduce the risk of breaking one. if you are tapping in any material that produces long chips, the recommended method is to drive the tool for one rotation and then back it up for a length equalling the radial distance between the teeth or until you feel the chip get cut. Getting the chips out more reliably in this way reduces the risk of them clogging up a flute and locking against the side of the hole.
@ErikBongers
@ErikBongers 6 ай бұрын
If your setup can handle it, try to cut the dovetail in one go, feeding slowly. Because, with incremental passes, you'll wear the outer tips of the cutter way faster.
@stevewilliams2498
@stevewilliams2498 6 ай бұрын
I understand the principle. Instead of digging into the cut it is automatically backed away. With hand feed this is fine as you can back off and cleanup next time round. What i don't understand is under power feed when the cut comes back around the depth of cut will increase because the cutter sprang awzy the previous time around. Why doesn't it flex away twice as much and 3 times as much and 4 times etc. building up each revolution ?
@lohikarhu734
@lohikarhu734 5 ай бұрын
I quite like your just-a-bit-humorous commentary!
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 5 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@gyrogearloose1345
@gyrogearloose1345 5 ай бұрын
Oh dear - I seem to be the only one - I just don't get it! A cut here, a slit, a slot - I'm lost! where is the 'moving' part? I get the theory - well explained in EDesigns_FL post - but again, where is the 'hinge'? A drawing would be very useful !!! Anyway, nice build NBR and I'm glad it works so well. Thanks for sharing!
@josecarlospoggian149
@josecarlospoggian149 6 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏👏Thanks a lot!
@peterraftery2426
@peterraftery2426 4 ай бұрын
a left hand drill bit often works well for broken stuff
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 6 ай бұрын
"Yeah, she didn't buy it either." 😄
@pawekowalski7469
@pawekowalski7469 4 ай бұрын
Świetny projekt. Daję 👍 i subskrybcję 😀
@claeswikberg8958
@claeswikberg8958 6 ай бұрын
well that's worth a subscription!
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Hope to keep you entertained!
@dudemann.
@dudemann. 6 ай бұрын
Yep.I second that. My next project...Thanks
@robertqueberg4612
@robertqueberg4612 6 ай бұрын
It is a very nice looking tool, that does the job. Congratulations. Parting off stock in a lathe has been a problem since I started working in a shop (1966). Things have become better with the advent of the newer style tool posts. I was shown years ago that inverting the blade, and reversing the spindle would help. It does improve things a lot, but takes time to set up for one cut. No one was ever able to explain the mechanics behind the improvement. Since you cross slide has t slots the full length, another approach might be to build a dedicated tool holder of your improved design with a tool either upright or inverted. If you use a parting tool a lot, and also the compound rest, it might be worth your time. I will offer an observation from personal experience. Grinding the back rake on the parting blade does work well, but devil in the process is that the center height drops as the front is re-sharpened. Eventually a piece of the blade needs to be sacrificed to return to the original height, and full blade width. As you lower the front of a tapered blade, you start cutting two groove widths. The “T” blades will give you chip narrowing and consistent groove width. I do commend you for solving a problem in such a neat appearing manner, rather than avoiding it, and running to the cut off saw.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Hi Robert. You should have tons of experience! Thanks for taking the time to comment and share those observations!
@billremington6287
@billremington6287 6 ай бұрын
Huh. A precision band saw. Wild.
@nicktorea4017
@nicktorea4017 5 ай бұрын
As soon as He cursed about the broken tap I thought "Inheritance Machining" guy would be swearing too😂 funny
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 5 ай бұрын
Is there any other possible reaction? 😅
@remlapwc
@remlapwc 6 ай бұрын
Best to play safe when hand tapping small threads and use a tapered starter tap followed by an intermediate lastly the plug or bottoming tap. Go in quarter turn then back off a full turn then repeat, never force it they will snap like carrots, if it's a blind hole regularly remove the tap to clean out the cuttings. Use dedicated tapping lube. seized If you use cutting fluid on your machine tool work you will get more life out of your tools and a better finish.
@brandonrenwick9125
@brandonrenwick9125 6 ай бұрын
if you ever need a good finish try inserts for aluminum on a36, or the grind relief and rake angles for alu if its a stick bit in the fly cutter a36 is soft as heck and leaving a built up edge on the tool making it cut like its dull. also makes it rub if the relief angle is not high. you could also increase the sfm to up the cutting temp but i think your best bet is to make the tool have a higher relief angle and rake.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Hi Brandon, thanks! That is something I will try. Appreciated! 👍
@georgedennison3338
@georgedennison3338 5 ай бұрын
Those damn spiral taps are heart breakers; I've all but quit using them because of breakage, & I rarely break a straight flute tap, even tiny ones.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 5 ай бұрын
I was using one my straight taps last Sunday and just noticed how much easier it was. They were cutting effortlessly while the spiral ones were almost grabbing. I don't use those much, because they're "my good set" (maybe that's the reason why I should use them more) but I think I'll start from now on, specially on through holes. The only downside of that set is they don't have clearance (fat shanks) for deep holes. Cheers!
@georgedennison3338
@georgedennison3338 5 ай бұрын
@@nbrworks Use them 'good' ones, otherwise you'll get ancient like me & regret it. (I had that experience w/ files; started in auto mechanics @ 12, got into fab & race cars, as well, @ 16. Spent decades as line mechanic, shop owner, car builder/racer. Didn't own a new file until 65. Never a priority/xtra $, also cussed & avoided them. A new set of quality files opened my eyes to decades of dumb; a good file removes an amazing amnt of material; something 'zen' about it, as well. I've relegated my spiral taps to non-ferrous metals, after I broke a couple, did some research & found the supplier had stated "Use on non-ferrous metals". I wonder if there's been confusion between true spiral taps & helical 'screw' tap drills, 'cause I've seen vids of guys using spiral taps in drills. Yikes! If you read about taps, you'll find different straight flute taps are designed to either pull or push scarf when threading. Blind holes were being threaded long before spiral taps came along. MSC's Big Book catalog, (print version no longer produced - online only), has good tap design knowledge/info. Re: reduced shank taps Finally got frustrated w/ reg tap shanks & bought a mixed set of under-sized shank pulley taps & nut taps. Didn't know there were taps specifically for threading nuts; very long taper on nose. Pulley taps are just what you'd think; long enough to get about the OD. Both types are 6-7" long, ⅜ & under. Later, GeoD
@lohikarhu734
@lohikarhu734 5 ай бұрын
I find that it's often better/safer to drill a bit oversize for tapping, especially in "sticky" material, or when you don't need full torque/ clamping strength in the location, as in a "stop", or a height/depth setting screw, so that tap breakage is eliminated (mostly)
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 5 ай бұрын
You're right about that. In this case I could've/should've also used only a small portion of the hole threaded. Thanks for stopping by!
@miguelcastaneda7257
@miguelcastaneda7257 6 ай бұрын
Tapered blades are called Johnson blade the t blade are t1..t2. T3 .093...125...187.tpn would be carbide tip...screw mach which your holder mirrors the ones used on old 2g machines
@JohnChuprun
@JohnChuprun 6 ай бұрын
Oh man, that broken tap - I know your pain! You weren't power tapping either and it still broke.
@mikemcdonough1793
@mikemcdonough1793 6 ай бұрын
Dammit, now I have to make one of these. lol
@peterfitzpatrick7032
@peterfitzpatrick7032 6 ай бұрын
That really hurt, as I was watching you start to tap, I thought "not one of those !!"😣...& then SNAP ! 😥 Not a fan of those spiral flute taps... spiral point is my go to...and maybe finish to full depth with the spiral flute in this case. The slitting saw twerking on that arbor was funny, I was waiting for it to grab ... 😂 Definitely, a scissor-type knurling tool is better, it takes all the loading off the spindle and cross slide and, for me at least, it gives cleaner knurls... (I have both types btw) Really enjoyed this video, thank you 🤗 (You really deserve more subs with your content) 😎👍☘️🍺
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yes, I think I will have to get one of those scissor type knurling tools, this was the second or third time I used mine and didn't like it. It puts a lot of pressure on the turning part/bearings. A hemingway tool would be nice, but I don't know if they are too big for my lathe?? Maybe a scaled down one would be better? Questions. Slitting saw arbors, that's another one. They didn't grab because I was feeding very slowly, but I need to make a couple of arbors, that's for sure. Later, right now I'm working on something else! 😉
@iamfinkick8134
@iamfinkick8134 5 ай бұрын
Great HM Home Tooling. As a novice, Question: what cuiitng oil you use on the ferris snd stainless?
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 5 ай бұрын
Hi, I'm using maxcut no.5 from rock oil.
@MrMartinSchou
@MrMartinSchou 6 ай бұрын
14:20 - Would an oscillating tool work for this? Not sure what type of blade you'd use, but maybe something with an abrasive?
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Not sure. I looked around what I had immediately available, but found nothing better that a hacksaw blade and my hands. I did try a 1mm drill on a collet but runout was too much. Also the surface was not flat, it would break easily. Maybe a long 1mm endmill would've done it with very light passes, but I don,'t have one and certainly didn't want to break one in there. By hand it took a while though, only 3 or 4 teeth of the saw were cutting!
@MrMartinSchou
@MrMartinSchou 6 ай бұрын
@@nbrworksThe best tool for the job is generally what you have available, and your tool did a fantastic job.
@matthewf1979
@matthewf1979 6 ай бұрын
Excellent work on that broken tap! The cut off tool holder isn’t half bad either.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@MrMojolinux
@MrMojolinux 6 ай бұрын
Another oft forgotten parting off problems are the actual gripping of lathe hard jaws or lack of! And or the rigidity of the lathe spindle! The hard jaws of any lathe chuck become "bell mouthed" after time, and need to be re ground back proper for accurate and solid gripping, with little to NO chance for vibration or slippage. Lathe spindle issues are also due to age and or abuse. This is a more problematic issue probably requiring a re build and new spindle bearings
@andrewhall2554
@andrewhall2554 6 ай бұрын
Ok, I just have to say it, "Parting is such sweet sorrow...". I'll close the door behind me...
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
I actually googled it 😂
@adrianprzybyek5758
@adrianprzybyek5758 6 ай бұрын
1) Tool should have as much contant with toolholder as possible, that reduce vibration. You have contant only on edges. 2) Higher tool is better in terms of stiffness. 3) Grove in the middle of carbide inserts makes chips narrower and help evacuation.
@reparosempra8901
@reparosempra8901 4 ай бұрын
Any chance for a drawing? I'm a first year apprentice machinist, and I'd LOVE to have a useful parting tool like this. Anyway, very cool demonstration! Thank you for sharing.
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 4 ай бұрын
Hi and thanks. Have a look at the community tab/page. I made a post about this. Also have a look at the description of the video, there's a link to another video with some plans to make the same tool, just with a different shape. Thanks
@machinists-shortcuts
@machinists-shortcuts 6 ай бұрын
Was the finish significantly better when you left one insert in the face mill?
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Hi, I didn't spend too much time testing different speeds and depths of cut, but that finish was the best I got. I tried with 2 inserts (opposite sides) and the finish was not so good. The machine can't cope with 4 inserts or more, it's just too much for the motor. Using that face mill was more of an experience, I ordered the 80mm version, but got the 160!
@AndrewGrokhot
@AndrewGrokhot 6 ай бұрын
Я прочувствовал всю боль обломанного сверла)
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
😅
@qwertyui90qwertyui90
@qwertyui90qwertyui90 2 ай бұрын
I have a 3 Horsepower lathe with power feed and using the carbide insert tooling for parting. However, it keeps on breaking the inserts when trying to part. Always towards the end of the parting where it's got only about 2 to 5mm to go from parting a 15mm diameter piece. what am i doing wrong :'(
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 2 ай бұрын
Hi. Seems like you don't have enough surface speed. If you're lathe has variable speed control, try to increase the spindle speed when you reach that point. If you're using the power feed, try manual feeding, you should get a better feeling for the tool.
@qwertyui90qwertyui90
@qwertyui90qwertyui90 2 ай бұрын
@@nbrworks power feed is much smoother for me. I really have to apply a lot of force if i try to manually feed it. I was doing 40rpm. 2mm wide carbide insert. parting off pieces 316 stainless steel and 8 to 35mm diameter in range
@SpookyMcGhee
@SpookyMcGhee 6 ай бұрын
2:05 I sure hope you put inserts in that shell mill it looked like there weren't any😂
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
It did a nice job. Imagine it it had inserts! 😅
@SpookyMcGhee
@SpookyMcGhee 6 ай бұрын
@@nbrworks Hee hee, I mean it might work on aluminum... I'll have to give it a go...
@user-lw7fc6fr4d
@user-lw7fc6fr4d 6 ай бұрын
Что они все мудрят, когда ларчик просто открывается Привари эту пластину к державке, вниз режущей частью, что бы стружка уходила в низ и режь себе на здоровье
@user-bw4rr4kd9n
@user-bw4rr4kd9n 5 ай бұрын
i have the same bansaw but the blade always comes off when biting in the material, any tips for fixing this?
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 5 ай бұрын
Hi, I don't have that problem with mine. Do you have the bearings adjusted and the blade under tension? Sounds like something is loose.
@somebodyelse6673
@somebodyelse6673 6 ай бұрын
Do you think it improved things enough that a carbide insert tool would work?
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 6 ай бұрын
Why go for carbide insert tooling that costs money when they wear or chip it , when you can just grind the end of an HSS for yesrs and years before you need to spend more money on a new blade? 😊
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
I don't have a carbide tool that fits in this tool holder, but I think it depends. If we're talking about a custom tool with a brazed carbide tip, I think it might work. If you were thinking about an insert tool, I think it wouldn't work very well. Normally those inserts are made with built in rake so that they sit horizontally in tool holders, also I'm not sure if they would resist very well to the 'hammering' this spring can cause on harder cuts. But, of course, I might be wrong.
@somebodyelse6673
@somebodyelse6673 6 ай бұрын
@@chrisstephens6673 - Have you ever tried to put a C-clip groove in the outside of a hardened bearing race with HSS? Turn down the shank on an endmill for clearance? Had to cut down a hardened dowel pin? Make a part out of pre-hardened stock? Cut off a piece of linear bearing rod? HSS is great when you can use it, but you can't always use it.
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 6 ай бұрын
@@somebodyelse6673 no argument there, yes I have cut many ciclip grooves on gearbox shafts and ground down a grooving tool to 1mm to do it, but for general use I use the same blade used in this video set at 7 degrees. For small stock I use a 1.6mm blade again set at 7 degrees to horizontal. Between those two parting tools most of my work is covered but I do keep a carbide insert holder in reserve.
@currentbatches6205
@currentbatches6205 6 ай бұрын
1:32 - If the guy who designed that bandsaw is getting royalties, he's a rich man. Every shop in the world has one of those. 5:18 - Is that some sort of a stone? 17:19 - I feel your pain...
@nbrworks
@nbrworks 6 ай бұрын
Every shop... except Artisan Makes. It's part of the charm 😅 At 5:18 I'm using a cheap diamond coated strip (removed the plastic back). 600 grit I think, I find them useful to deburr/finish some edges, less aggressive than the files I have and I can do tight corners like that dovetail.
@luisalbertotrazzi7366
@luisalbertotrazzi7366 6 ай бұрын
👍
@MegaRiffraff
@MegaRiffraff 6 ай бұрын
👍🏻
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