Good rivalry, but imagine what Duke does for Big XII basketball 🏀

Pitt is the rival for WVa. Back yard brawl

@@davidtemple2831 WVU also plays VA Tech for the Black Diamond trophy.

Virgina tech is a big 10 sec lock big 12 get leftovers

Don’t kid yourself about VT..

Has L'VILLE asked for a settlement and release? It's a geo and academic outlier anyway. Even divisions are no longer required. Would also make the Mag 7 exactly 50% of the official members.

@@tarheel7406 Louisville joined that group the night before the ACC Meeting where that group disbanded when they all found out they DID NOT really want to leave.

@@MercerKnowsBall No, you're still delusional: a) There has been no hard reporting that L'VILLE joined the Mag 7 b) The Mag 7 reconciles with the [reported[] actual "no" votes on CAL/STANFORD c) FSU wouldn't still be making noise if your delusions were true

You will be in the future

@@scarcheer7211 L'VILLE may be the only ACC remainder that would prefer the Tier 2 BIG12 over a rebuilt, viable Tier 2 ACC. Newest member, no academic branding, geo.

Only FSU is showing its true colors injecting this poison. That's not the historical ACC.

The Big 16 is not adding any California state-run universities. Nor are we interested in academic snobbery like Stanford. Nor are we interested in Duke. The only PAC university left with a chance would be Oregon State, and this is doubtful. We are likelier to go after Pitt, Louisville, VTech, Syracuse, NCSU, and Georgia Tech. We may stop at 20.

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 The final number is 24. Whichever of the 3 (B12/B10/SEC) gets there first, the other two will follow, and this will all be over. You can get to 24 without any California schools, simply by poaching 8 from The ACC. UNC and UVA will go to the B10, Clemson and FSU will go to The SEC. Aggressively go after the 8 you need to get to 24 and be done with it.

@@timothyphillips1001Interesting but do you think this is realistic? 8 ACC universities would be hard to carry off. Plus they would have to want to be in the Big 12.

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 There will be a mad scramble to get into one of the Big 3 conferences, so ACC schools will jump at an invite to The BIG 12. The Big 12 has already established itself as the survivor amongsth the lower 3 Power 5 conferences. Pac 12 is gone and ACC is hemmoraging. This is why B12 should aggressively move to take the schools they want. In retrospect, I think Oregon State and Wash State are a better fit for the Mountain West than the Big 12. Ive been reading that Boston College has all but accepted its future as a non Power 5 school. Id like to see B10 go after Cal, Stanford, UNC, UVA, Miami and either Ga Tech or Duke. Having 6 schools on the west coast will make travel much easier for those schools. UVA and UNC are the next geographic expansion from maryland. Ga Tech would give B10 the Atlanta market with Georgia. SEC takes Clemson, FSU, Va Tech and possibly NC State.

No purpose for a 24-team Tier 2 conference. The BIG12 has no feasible path to be a peer in a P3 world. None.

For what purpose? How would such a 24-team Tier 2 conference remain stable?

@@tarheel7406 Because nobody else would want to invite them...THAT'S HOW they stay stable. Except if as presumed that UNC and UVA (The Snobs of The Basketball Conference) choose to go the B1G NATIONAL Conference and get accepted (as presumed). Then the only options for The regional conference to expand would be to invite NC State and VA Tech. Anything north of the Mason/Dixon is an impossibility for The regional conference. Too much racer for Northern schools. But that's IF the regional conference is even interested in expanding. Louisville should have been in the Big 12 to begin with. They'd probably be very happy there too. Abd probably petition for Memphis to be added as well. Syracuse is another school that would work well with UConn addition to gain a stronger footprint within NY/NE region. There have only been 4 schools that have had the Empire State Building lit for them. As a southerner I'm sure you have no clue what that signifies within NYC Metro to have The Beacon lit in your school's colors. sPitt doesn't have any choice...they have to get their application in first before anybody else. They should just join with the other 7 and vote to dissolve the ACC now to start getting paid better. It would be hilarious for them to act like they deserve to be in the B1G and hold out until there is no more room or interest from the Big 12 and have to join without any media revenue! Because they surely aren't getting invited to the B1G or SEC!! They better be kissing WVU's ass now because without WVU pulling for them, they might not even get an invite to the Big 12!! But the American might have a room for them?

@@josephcernansky1794 In 2013 when the Big East went under, 9 of the Big 12 universities wanted Louisville to join, Louisville wanted to. Texas threw a fit and would not have it, so they ended up in the ACC.

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 "Because nobody else would want to invite them...THAT'S HOW they stay stable." Huh? a) The question is how the Tier 2 should organize. b) A national Tier 2 won't offer the advantages to keep it from splintering. Didn't read the rest.

This is crazy. A 24-team conference destroys the point of having a conference at all. Too big to even play each team in the conference in any one year. Why have a conference at all with that many teams?

After what feasible chain of events ends with UNC or DUKE in the BIG12?

For what purpose a national Tier 2 BIG12?

Think in a P2 world.

Texas was reason prevent big 12 from expanding to replace what they lost.

Agreed, but unfortunately Texas and Oklahoma held all the power and they nixed any further expansion after WV and TCU

@@lancelittrell369 yes, ALWAYS watch WHO is voting against expansion...those are the NEXT OUT the DOOR!! (ala TX/OK ; USC/UCLA ; FSU/Clemson/UNC/NC St). It's so obvious even a caveman could know it!

Texas blackballed Louisville. Oklahoma, being a Texas lapdog, did what they were told.

There is no purpose for a national Tier 2 conference.

Duke is regional to UCF also, Durham is less than 200 miles further than Atlanta and Georgia state provides 0 excitement for the league.

Georgia State? Over existing P5 schools? Are you an alum?

I think Georgia Tech would make a great partner for UCF.

@@wolfryder3Not regional enough. They need a local travel partner. Atlanta is in the general vicinity of Orlando.

Why would the SEC/B1G stop just short of consolidating enough to separate? At 20-each, the revenue gap will be even wider making it impossible for any of the others to compete as things move forward.

@@tarheel7406 The other schools don’t really offer much value (in their eyes) and it can be seen as watering down their conference.

@@JoKeer80 Think in a P2 world. The exclusivity created by separating increases the value of all teams on the inside. This story is now 2 years old.

Duke is not desired by either SEC or B10

@@davidtemple2831Not true whatsoever. Duke is a national brand and the UNC-Duke rivalry is a cash cow for ESPN.

NC State and Duke will not get an invite, to the Big10 and SEC, this go around. They are only going to take Blue Blood Football Programs. They do not need those schools.

@@michaelscates7428 The SEC and B1G currently need 8 votes to threaten dissolution. The ACC is very unlikely to deplete out in delayed waves. Moreover, the top ACC targets are UVA/UNC, which is counter to your claims.

Nobody cares about cultural fits in this expansion process. Only thing that matters is money.

On of the reasons DUKE would likely downgrade football if not coattailed by UNC.

ESPN only gave Yarmork a Pro Rata Clause for 4 and he took the wrong 2 with Utah and Arizona St because they panicked. ESPN wanted those 2 for the ACC. Yarmork was supposed to get Oregon St and Washington St but ESPN could not tell him SPECIFICAlLY WHO to get or it would have been against the Law. The most specific EsPN could get was to give Yarmork a Pro Rata that said the schools had to be Power 5, so he wouldn't run out and add more G5 Trash. If Yarmork is going to do anything else he will have to wait until ESPN tells him what to do. Just like they did this time when Yarmork didn't have ANY of these IDEAS on his own and just did what ESPN TOLD HIM TO DO. The MYTH or Yarmork is a powerful LIE.

@@MercerKnowsBallBulls**t

You're crazy if you think most ACC schools would want to join the Big 12. No way Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, etc. would join a conference where the most desired job after graduation is a McDonald's worker. But please, take Louisville, Cuse, and VT because they would fit right in.

The ACC may release L'VILLE with an amicable settlement.

Exactly! Mediocre sports and god-awful academics, how have they not been added yet!!!

Big 10 will get teams sec will get teams big 12 will get leftovers like always

For what purpose. Will the BIG12 be a separate league?

Pitt has zero chance of the B10, they add nothing. Duke is also a long shot. B10 has a list & they aren't on it

@@grobble8954 Pitt would be a badly needed instate rival for Penn State, also 3 border battles also badly needed for Maryland & Rutgers, they are members of both the AAU & URA, and strengthen the B1G in Pennsylvania, and eliminate P5 competition in the state.

@@StevenClark-ss4fq B10 doesn't care about these low level rivalries that have zero national significance. Conferences have proven time & time again rivalries don't matter in realignment, it's about money. B10 doesn't need & wouldn't want another school in the state of PA, Pitt adds nothing, they have no chance. PSU dwarfs Pitt by many fold in the state on fan following, tv interest/ratings etc.. Nobody in the state really cares about Pitt fball since the 1980's when they had Tony Dorsett. The same talk about B10 & Pitt came up in 2012 expansion, They were never under consideration when after the fact what the B10 was considering was leaked. However, other schools were under consideration like UVA & UNC,

Pitt wants to join the Big 12 due to existing rivalries with 2 of our universities.

@@grobble8954 Pitt is a better cultural fit in the C-USA. Maybe the MAC? About the same size of fanbase.

Brett Yormark has admitted that UConn to the Big 16 is a loss.

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 Moving only basketball to the BIG12 is a loss to UCONN. Has to be win-win.

In 2036?

@@tarheel7406 or until ND is squeezed out of ever having a chance to play for the National Championship. Even 2036 may not be enough, but I think THAT will be the deadline everyone gives them to SHIT or get off the pot! LOL

@@josephcernansky1794 I'm just discusing the time. ND can't join the B1G without first escaping its ACC entanglements.

Duke isn't wanted by the B10

Sounds like what Stanford has said and we see where they are.

@@victorkiser8301 Yet not in the BIG12. DUKE has more acceptable options than STANFORD.

Because it makes too much sense.

Because FSU is run by total idiots

Good point!!

Pitt > VT

@@peninsulap8782 I've been to games at Pitt's rented stadium.....when Penn State FILLED their rented stadium....and once when WVU also FILLED their rented stadium. It was harder to get tickets to JMU than to ever get sPitt tickets!! "Buy the first Pitt season ticket for $109 and get the second season ticket for just $19!!"

I've been to games at Pitt's rented stadium.....when Penn State FILLED their rented stadium....and once when WVU also FILLED their rented stadium. It was harder to get tickets to JMU than to ever get sPitt tickets!! "Buy the first Pitt season ticket for $109 and get the second season ticket for just $19!!"

@@josephcernansky1794 Bruh you typed all that for what? VT plays Enter Samdmam, jingles keys, then proceeds to LOSE. The fact that remains that Pitt performs better on the field than VT. Frank Beamer ain’t walking through that door 😂

I WILL PROVE ACC $ WILL PAS XII MONEY IN 2025 because the FACT IS ACC money if ALREADY 150% more than XII money... it just doesn't all become REVENUE until 2025 because ACC is INVESTING IT by SPENDING IT in a Cash Generator the XII does not have. A Conferences Network. The ACCN has a COST that has to be PAID to BUILD IT. And that cost to get every Studio Built and all of the Equipment and EMployees needed costs ACC schools $16 Million EACH per year. That is $16 Million the ACC already EARNS, nobody has to give them a new TV Deal to get it, they already get it. And after this season the ACC pays it off. Meaning that $16 Million the ACC already EARNS will no longer be spent. That means ALL ACC schools will get $16 Million MORE each year in Revenue. for the rest of their TV Deal than they got last year. ACC also has OTHER WAYS that they are getting MORE MONEY than was reported Last Year when those various numbers were reported (true or false numbers) and those other sources of Revenue that the XII does not have access to will actually be enough to push the ACC above the XII highest estimate even if there wasn't a $16 Million increase coming next year. But the only thing needed to PROVE the ACC is above the XII is the $16 Million. We could also talk about how the XII is UP primarily due to the ONE TIME in recent History when TCU from the (XII) played 2 Playoff games and there was no ACC team in the Playoffs. That ONE RESULT is what pushed the XII above the ACC. If BOTH ACC and XII got into the playoffs ACC Payout is HIGHER If BOTH ACC and XII got left out of the playoffs ACC Payout is HIGHER And if only the ACC gets in and the XII gets left out ACC Payout is HIGHER Only a XII IN and ACC OUT result gets the XII Higher than the ACC And if TCU has LOST their 1st game... AcC payout would have been HIGHER So... nobody argued your point. I wasn't arguing. I PROVED you are WRONG with the FACTS not any argument

"Why would you give up a (by today's standards) compact conference, the value of the ACC brand, and longstanding relationships"..... Because for one, there will be MORE money in a conference NOT associated with ESPN....AND the EXPSOURE in a NATIONAL conference would be PHENOMENAL compared to a regional conference. The ONLY way poor broke woke ESPN can afford to get into the B1G NATIONAL content is IF the B1G expands significantly to be able to absorb so many more ACC schools to create a full East Coast Division. This will mean there is an abundance of content that another media partner would be needed to carry all of it. But then again...by the time the ACC dissolves...streaming systems may be functional enough to outbid ESPN broadcast. THAT is what people keep saying FSU and Clemson to the SEC ....for WHAT?!?!? ESPN is NOT going to pay them more money for same content. THAT would be the DUMBEST business deal ever....but then again ESPN is woke...so there is that! (Yeah, they just might pay more for the same, LOL). The Football Schools in the ACC have to get their money from somewhere other than ESPN. Otherwise, ESPN would be just paying them more right now without ever leaving the ACC. If this Shitshow called the Carolina Basketball Conference continues for many more years....then The Football Schools depart without voting to dissolve the conference....there are schools that would be willing to join as replacements...but realize they are going to be coming from the Sun Belt, American, and C-USA. No Big 12 schools will be jumping from their destroyer ship to a burning oil tanker that's about to blow up at any moment. We have ALL seen what that looks like from the Leftist Coast!

@@MercerKnowsBall Your $16 million in HOPE FOR...is just that...HOPE FOR!! I don't think you have any clue WHO holds the cards with that ACCN. And it surely isn't a friend to ESPN! THAT is why it was years getting it in households on the Eastern Seaboard. And the costs to distribute are NOT what ESPN "hoped for." BTW...so you "prove with "facts". Joe is that you? Maybe Hunter? "The smartest man Joe knows!" LOL......But HEY!! If you typed it and posted it on the interwebs...it must be true!! "We choose to follow facts rather than truth." LGB

@@josephcernansky1794 You have NO UNDERSTANDING of the financial situation ESPN is in. It is very strong after this year. But you are a Troll so who cares.

Until no one else wants them then. like Stanford and Cal duke would start begging.

@@tiredofthem Stanford and Cal wanted the ACC b/c it fit their culture. That’s the point. Duke would never join the SEC either.

Honestly I think the B1G would pass on Pitt due to the fact that they have Penn State.

They heard Pitt eats sh*t. They will likely pass.

Pitt nit a big for B10

Pitt will be one of the left behinds. Maybe AAC?

PITT needs decide what the Tier 2 will look like and its preferred place therein. It could try to make a large, national Tier 2 BIG12 work, but it won't be stable and will eventually splinter into regionals. Being a tentpole in a rebuilt ACC is likely the better option, especially if it can pull some eastern BIG12 members that would also benefit from a regional, round robin schedule.

Duke isn't on the B10 wish list. B10 top wants are ND, UNC, UVA, Miami

@@grobble8954 Duke would be a long shot for the B1G. It's on the list along with Syracuse. But getting on the list doesn't mean it's a guaranteed invite. Same could be said for UVA. VA Tech actually has more value than UVA has had for the past 25 years. But UVA has a snob pedigree...so there is that. Poor Wake Forest....there is always the Sun Belt or American for them....and I say let Boston College go the way of Boston University....and cancel their football program! Or drop to D1A and join the Colonial Conference or the Patriot Conference. And FSU would be invited in a New York minute!

No way Duke is going to the Big ten they're only going to take two teams then they'll have 20. Duke's not even in probably their top 8 pics. And I'm a Blue devil fan but they're just not a football school and that's what everyone wants.

Duke fits academics and athletics, plus have the North Carolina market during basketball season with UNC. Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana will want to go after those two, otherwise they’ll force them through UNC. Syracuse won’t be added. Irrelevant.

@@thecryptoinvestor914 but there is too many other good football options out of the ACC for the Big ten. But who knows but I don't think the Big ten will take more than two teams which will give them 20. SEC will take 4 and the Big 12 will have their pick of the leftovers and they will take 4 each conference will end up with 20 teams.

Duke has no fit with the B1G. Don't be like ASU...

I agree. Duke is the east coast version of Stanford. It would be a downgrade in their eyes. More likely Big 10.

@@ThatGuyz82 DUKE is likely a better option than STANFORD.

Huh? That's all the BIG12 could do after the +4 for viability. To get the 4Cs, the BIG12 had to prepare for a PAC mistake and hope the mistake happened. It was patient, and that's how things played out.

The ACC isn't going to implode. Heck FSU talks a big game but did you notice that Aug. 15th came and went? The GOR will continue to hold the line until buying out of it is much more realistic (2030-32) and by then we have no idea what the college football landscape will look like.

@@elliottcrews4997 ACC is imploding the question is not if, but when. Just b/c they didn't leave for 2024 season doesn't mean it's not imploding long before 2036.

@@grobble8954 As I said, maybe some schools leave in f few years but even if they do the ACC will be fine. There will be no need to go running for shelter in the B12.

@@elliottcrews4997 It's going to be a mass exodus like the P12 & all the programs with football "chops". ie...Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, VA, etc... that starts a cascade of Vtech, Louisville, etc... looking for better spots. All of these schools have guaranteed to have already talked & put feelers out to B10 &/or SEC. The implosion will be quick like P12. Once the big programs leave the others know the ACC Tv deal will be pittance & they will run for any life boat they can. The ACC with all their "top programs" makes the same as the B!2 currently, when the current planned 2024 additions come the ACC will be likely 10M or more behind even the B12.

@@grobble8954 AACC will not implode until very close to 2036 if it ever does. MEANWHILE Big 12 is going to be raided AGAIN in 5 years and will be LESS STRONG in 2036. Also, the Big 12 NOW is not strong enough to take ANY ACC schools and will not be strong enough to do it in 5 years or 12 years. You have to believe lots of LIES that are being reported to believ the Big 12 is stronger than the ACC. If ACC and Big 12 schools are ever in the same Conference that conference will be the ACC, SEC or BIG not the Big 12.

It really isn't. Things are not looking good for the ACC.

@@ThatGuyz82 TV revenue is about the same.

Agreed. If the ACC can figure out the issues (not likely but possible), it is the #3 conference no question. The situation can change drastically in the coming years.

If FSU & Clemson, leave the ACC is done. Very likely going to happen. Then it is not so much of a lateral move as ACC value decreases significantly

@@ThatGuyz82 A rebuilt ACC would likely pay the same, but have better prestige/academics, better non-revenue sports, peer revenue sports, and better regionality Lateral move at best. BIG12 fans really don't understand how the conference is viewed from the outside.

You really have no understanding of what is going on right now, do you? The Big 12 is on track to be earning more money than the ACC in just 2 years, given the Big 12's grows over time.

@@ThatGuyz82 i know right...this dude is clueless...lol

Actually Duke is not a target of interest to the B10

@@ThatGuyz82 Nope. Accounting for "look ins" and escalators, the ACC is expected to may slightly more. Nevertheless, that isn't relevant to my comment

@@davidtemple2831 Actually, I made no such claim. If the ACC depletes out, DUKE is most likely to either stay for the rebuild or go BIGEAST of IVY rather than go BIG12.