Pavesi Prototype SVT Copy

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Forgotten Weapons

8 жыл бұрын

This rifle is pretty much a big mystery - I have virtually no good information on it. Through inspection, we know it is a mechanical copy of the Soviet SVT 38 or 40 - it shares the same exact bolt, locking system, and gas system. Even many aesthetic features like the metal front handguard, muzzle brake, and sights are remarkably similar to those of the SVT. The biggest difference is the magazine, which is a fixed design fed only be stripper clips. The rifle is chambered for the 8x59mm Breda cartridge, and magazine capacity is unknown - probably either 9 or 10 rounds.
The clue that this is a Pavesi rifle comes from the safety lever, which is identical to the safety lever on the Model 1942 Pavesi rifle. The only markings on this piece are two repetitions of the serial number (875), on the receiver and stock. This serial number suggests that a significant number of these rifles may have been made, although I have not seen any other examples, nor any recorded information on when or where they were made, tested, or fielded.
The most interesting diversion from the standard SVT construction is the addition of a leather buffer pad on the back of the receiver. This was clearly added after the rifle was built, as it must be removed before the bolt can be taken out of the action. The details of the receiver cover attachment were also modified from the original SVT, making disassembly and reassembly easier, with the mainspring less prone to kinking as in the SVT.

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@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 8 жыл бұрын
The more vent-holes, the cooler it looks GET IT? IT'S A PUN
@Michael_Smith-Red_No.5
@Michael_Smith-Red_No.5 8 жыл бұрын
Icee what you did there. I'll see myself out.
@baker90338
@baker90338 8 жыл бұрын
No
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 8 жыл бұрын
Baker Tankersley Sorrynotsorry
@willbond1431
@willbond1431 8 жыл бұрын
+Morten R Not really the idea here. Or anywhere. Notice how the holes are around the barrel and the barrel only. If they wanted weight reduction, they would do it elsewhere
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 8 жыл бұрын
Will Bond I suspect he was joking, but you are still correct
@williamprince1114
@williamprince1114 8 жыл бұрын
I would imagine the Italian forces that were engaged in combat on the Eastern front beside the German forces against the Soviets encountered lots of Tokarev rifles. They probably sent several back for T&E.
@rahbaralhaq
@rahbaralhaq 8 жыл бұрын
Given the fact the G-43 pretty much ripped off the SVT's gas system, that is very possible.
@luisparga7830
@luisparga7830 6 жыл бұрын
William Prince
@WardenWolf
@WardenWolf 4 жыл бұрын
@@rahbaralhaq Too bad they didn't rip off some of its other design aspects. The SVT was still the better gun in almost all respects.
@elektro3000
@elektro3000 8 жыл бұрын
Impressive how closely the FN FAL bolt followed the design of the SVT bolt.
@SyndicateBrink
@SyndicateBrink 8 жыл бұрын
The SVT was a great early semi-auto platform, a great template to work and improve upon. I think this prototype would have been an excellent combat rifle
@SyndicateBrink
@SyndicateBrink 8 жыл бұрын
Bien Le I know, and if you read my comment then you'd know that I said it was a great starting of point, there where details in the SVT platform that was later adopted and re-used in other better designs such as the G43 rifle(not the G41 because that one used the Bang gastrap system) and tweeked in later fully automatic rifles such as the Type 81, vz 58 and the famous FN FAL or improved the overall design as this Pavesi Prototype. I know the SVT had problems but compare that to this and you can see the improvements. Such as the safety, the action and the field strip process
@SuperFunkmachine
@SuperFunkmachine 8 жыл бұрын
Automatics are generally disliked by sniper due to the ejected brass giving away there position.
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 8 жыл бұрын
The Germans not only reused the gas system for the G43, but reused every captured SVT40 as long as it showed to be accurate enough (Soviet manufacturing was not that great), as it was. The Soviets themself reverted to the Moisin only cause it was much more easy to manufacture, and it was enough of a problem to equip their entire, huge, army with a single model.
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 8 жыл бұрын
Risto Mladich Obviously they could, but there is a trade-off between quantity and quality, and this is more stringent in wartime. The more soldiers you want to equip, the more quality controls you have to skip.
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 8 жыл бұрын
Risto Mladich Actually, quality problems in wartime Soviet production were well known, and did not affect only rifle production. Artillery ammunitions, engines, aircrafts, were affected as well. Simply, quantity was more important that quality, and many of the production sites had to be hastly transferred, since the original factories were overrun. Whatever the theory is, the reality is that the Germans tested every captured SVT40, used those of acceptable accuracy, and discarded the others, and the others were a good percentage.
@1001CP
@1001CP 4 жыл бұрын
As always, THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! I had heard there was a "bootleg" copy of the SVT40. It was that "I heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy" kinda thing and I tried finding more on it and suddenly a couple years later NATURALLY you would find one!!! You are amazing Sir! It just stands to reason, Just like the Mausers and the Hakim/ Rasheed (of course they were GIVEN that whole set of manufacturing and tooling.) AND this is not one of those knock offs they make is a cave in a mountain (which to me is STILL pretty cool- I just dont want to shoot one first!). STILL, this is such a great find. WAY TO GO!!!
@zendell37
@zendell37 8 жыл бұрын
Do people at museums and these reference collection know about you? You know, without you calling up and telling them. Do you get the "Hey, it's Ian from Forgotten Weapons!" a lot?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын
I did get recognized by a Beretta employee who didn't know I was going to be there, yes. :)
@tranq45
@tranq45 8 жыл бұрын
+Forgotten Weapons When hanging around the gun shop, your name, and yourvideos, come up in conversation fairly regularly. You're Internet famous!
@TUBEMAN192
@TUBEMAN192 8 жыл бұрын
Now that's just too cool! I guess the Italians knew a good design when the saw one..
@pricklydingus8604
@pricklydingus8604 8 жыл бұрын
A most holy rifle.
@vileindividual
@vileindividual 8 жыл бұрын
Interesting video as always. You've really improved image and audio quality too Ian, thanks for that
@cameronboyce4695
@cameronboyce4695 8 жыл бұрын
About 7 to 8 years ago i believe i saw one in the special weapons section oat Cabelas in Minnesota.That heat shield and muzzle brake looks identical to the one i saw.
@Yotaciv
@Yotaciv 6 жыл бұрын
I love the svt-40 but wished they mad it even simpler and more idiot proof. There's a lot of room for refinement, that dust cover looks so much easier to remove then an svt-40.
@videolookertube
@videolookertube 8 жыл бұрын
I like the new thumbnail style Ian.
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 8 жыл бұрын
If I came across this rifle with no context I would think it was some rare prototype of an SVT. You are right. Clearly a copy.
@44WarmocK77
@44WarmocK77 8 жыл бұрын
Not much of a surprise that it didn't make it into mass-production: Beretta totally overdid it with the design (again), it looks waaaaaayyyy too good and valuable to be used in something as crude and dirty as a war. ^^ A rifle like this one belongs to a shooting range to impress your buddies and have a good time.
@vguyver2
@vguyver2 8 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. looks far more for sporting than military use. This version looks and functions a little better.
@44WarmocK77
@44WarmocK77 8 жыл бұрын
V Guyver Agreed. It looks like something a tarted-up Beretta employee wearing white velvet gloves would offer to a 1900-1920s crowd with a little more money in their pockets, praising it as Beretta's newest flagship for recreational shooting and uncoerced entertainment at the local shooting club with good friends and potential affiliates.
@HauptJager
@HauptJager 8 жыл бұрын
The bot system looks very much like the Ljungman AG-42 I used to have.
@hickeyskustomresto
@hickeyskustomresto 4 жыл бұрын
Looks more like an attempt to make the svt better as opposed to a direct copy
@ductileiron98
@ductileiron98 8 жыл бұрын
Handsome rifle..
@Crayfish
@Crayfish 8 жыл бұрын
you should include a tiny jinglr on the single tile "forgotten weapons" intro so i dont have to check if my volume is down whenever i tune in :p
@SamuelHeinen
@SamuelHeinen 8 жыл бұрын
i believe that i have seen some kind of marking under the rear sight on the barrel ir bareel block, but not sure.
@FirstMetalHamster
@FirstMetalHamster 8 жыл бұрын
Keep doing good work, gun jesus!
@jackeyxm8401
@jackeyxm8401 8 жыл бұрын
not to sound ignorant but it looks like the AR10 OF SVT'S clearly a scaled up version of the gun. I got a theory if persay there were Italians fighting in the Russia during WW2 its possible a solderer may of captured a svt and showed it to his command whom instantly liked the simple simi auto function and ask for a copy of the rifle.
@RedMcCloud
@RedMcCloud 7 жыл бұрын
Well it does fire a cartridge originally meant for anti-plane machine guns (biplanes that is, but still).
@ohredhk
@ohredhk 8 жыл бұрын
Cool stuff!
@jackmcslay
@jackmcslay 8 жыл бұрын
It seems they really had a thing for exhaust holes
@paint_thinner
@paint_thinner 8 жыл бұрын
Speed holes.
@burlatsdemontaigne6147
@burlatsdemontaigne6147 8 жыл бұрын
Holes to get full of crap!
@chrisloUSA
@chrisloUSA 8 жыл бұрын
+Anne Isopod What's so glorious about the holes on this rifle?
@retroicdescent
@retroicdescent 8 жыл бұрын
Well, during use, this gun probably got so heated that it needed to chill a bit.
@AKAngelKingAK
@AKAngelKingAK 2 жыл бұрын
Snow fo show for D polar echo G's n the Eskimos..
@Gihaal
@Gihaal 8 жыл бұрын
Would it be fair to say this is a slightly improved SVT? That upper receiver seems way more field clean friendly.
@mannyowlstein8144
@mannyowlstein8144 8 жыл бұрын
Is there really any benefit to the extra 3 inches of curved finger groove in the stock that would justify the effort to cut it?
@RuSeK195
@RuSeK195 8 жыл бұрын
*just* like an SVT
@MorningGI0ry
@MorningGI0ry 8 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if there are any working variants of the MG151 in museums or private hands, or if there are any Japanese belt fed aircraft MG's?
@lukeplaysdrums7007
@lukeplaysdrums7007 8 жыл бұрын
When can you do a video on Marlin Pump shotguns? I recently discovered that they do exist such as the Model 17, that resembles an M1897. But them sen to be pretty uncommon and i have yet to see one in person. Im really interested in learning more about them since i grew up around my dads 1969 Model 336 Texan. Thanks
@the5th2000
@the5th2000 8 жыл бұрын
Haha first time I've ever heard Brescia described as exotic :-D
@bearminator90
@bearminator90 8 жыл бұрын
Here in Italy ? Great news.
@montimuros2837
@montimuros2837 8 жыл бұрын
Ian, are you planning on reviewing a STAR Z-84? It would be awesome
@Dannyn829
@Dannyn829 8 жыл бұрын
Elegant.
@dutchman2205
@dutchman2205 8 жыл бұрын
Does have a lot of features the FAL had years later...
@Axemantitan
@Axemantitan 5 жыл бұрын
Are you sure it's in 8x59 Breda and not 7.62x54R? My guess is, from the stripper clip guide, it looks like it was still for a rimmed cartridge.
@artyom_zdanek
@artyom_zdanek 8 жыл бұрын
Is that leather buffer impregnated with something then? Or is it just a normal piece of leather? And I'm thinking the firing pin may be seized from either wear on the top sear( I could be incorrect) or the grease, just like in a mauser bolt action, May have hardened from the years gone by and extreme oxidation of the oil content of the grease may have occurred.
@cheesenoodles8316
@cheesenoodles8316 6 ай бұрын
Very cool.
@WardenWolf
@WardenWolf 4 жыл бұрын
The similarities to the SVT and SKS are obvious, as are the general Russian styling of the parts. Pretty sure that's a 5-round magazine, though. Considering how far a normal SVT magazine protrudes from the receiver, and noting that even 10-round magazines for .308 rifles, which use a rimless cartridge, are also longer, I see no way this could be even close to a 10-round magazine; the proportions are just wrong.
@davidbell5528
@davidbell5528 8 жыл бұрын
so best guess an SVT copy produced by pavessi or one of its subcontractors?
@andywander
@andywander 8 жыл бұрын
Looks like here is some writing on the barrel, underneath the sight.
@ryanbarbolt3691
@ryanbarbolt3691 8 жыл бұрын
Kinda looks like a Hakim on the rear of the receiver.
@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA
@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA Жыл бұрын
Its a good system to copy.
@dbzshaggy8081
@dbzshaggy8081 8 жыл бұрын
oh snap
@TheLukejmorrison
@TheLukejmorrison 7 жыл бұрын
An SVT-40 doesn't have a guide rod on the top cover.
@JerryEricsson
@JerryEricsson 8 жыл бұрын
Looks like one of those rifles built for black ops use, can't be traced to the nation of origin. Love mystery guns.
@AKAngelKingAK
@AKAngelKingAK 2 жыл бұрын
A polar bear snuck into the factory one day smuggled in for some olive oil covered in cosomoline... Then just quietly snuck out leaving a lil biscuit for em
@empiricalmadman3260
@empiricalmadman3260 8 жыл бұрын
How'd you end up in Italy, Ian?
@jeffreyreardon7487
@jeffreyreardon7487 8 жыл бұрын
Dang
@lm42ro
@lm42ro 8 жыл бұрын
can You get your hands on a wa2000?
@USALibertarian
@USALibertarian 8 жыл бұрын
How does it operate?
@CaptainGrief66
@CaptainGrief66 8 жыл бұрын
Just like a Tokarev rifle, long stroke 3-piece piston, tilting bolt
@alaskanbullworm5500
@alaskanbullworm5500 8 жыл бұрын
The tokarev uses a short stroke piston
@tynado1173
@tynado1173 8 жыл бұрын
that looks way easier to strip than my svt
@phileas007
@phileas007 8 жыл бұрын
Have you tried jamming a cartridge to hold the recoil sprint?
@tynado1173
@tynado1173 8 жыл бұрын
+phileas007 I have not. How do you mean?
@phileas007
@phileas007 8 жыл бұрын
Tyler I meant "spring", not sprint You push the cover forward and catch the spring against the back of the receiver using a cartridge
@carstengerm
@carstengerm 8 жыл бұрын
Just like an SVT, maybe its a SVT
@LeminskiTankscor
@LeminskiTankscor 8 жыл бұрын
Would love to know if it was in firing condition.
@funkidyo
@funkidyo 8 жыл бұрын
Prototype rifle, wouldn't and shouldn't shoot it.
@LeminskiTankscor
@LeminskiTankscor 8 жыл бұрын
Fair enough.
@funkidyo
@funkidyo 8 жыл бұрын
Of course, by the serial number it doesn't seem it's an early example so it's probably safe to shoot unless they just put a random serial number on there.
@LeminskiTankscor
@LeminskiTankscor 8 жыл бұрын
Got some 8mm Breda and a rope? I have an idea
@user-ej3fy7ls8p
@user-ej3fy7ls8p 8 жыл бұрын
vz 58
@jinglejangle3287
@jinglejangle3287 8 жыл бұрын
nice copy of the Russian rifle
@dude126
@dude126 Жыл бұрын
Another catwalk rifle from the Italians.
@TheIceholeCanadian
@TheIceholeCanadian 8 жыл бұрын
I don't know whats going on, but every video of yours has kids videos as the suggested videos and up next is "Baby Panda Play and Learn".. i think someone is fucking with your chanel
@grafixbyjorj
@grafixbyjorj 8 жыл бұрын
It's because the video is (quite rightly) categorised as "Education"
@MKRocker2012
@MKRocker2012 8 жыл бұрын
Man I'm getting real tired of those bullshit NRA ads on these videos
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